We Got Coached By AI & This Is What Happened!

[@gcn]

would you trust AI to coach you? 🤖

[@filippopogacar]

Nope

[@Myles995]

Sure

[@Choedron]

Yes, why not. Though the app is called human-go 🤣😂👍 It is not a mango 🤣😂

[@nickvandam1214]

I'd try it, I've always been self coached so I think with AI or coach I'd probably benefit

[@mrpozzblizz]

Isn’t it the case with TrainerRoad??

[@reecedawson6113]

Getting your wife to do a ramp test must be a sure sign of a strong marriage

[@gcn]

Getting anyone to do a ramp test is tough 🥵

[@mjokffsgfjs]

You missed to mention TWICE!

[@chloepaton5115]

Yep...I wasn't prepared for that 😅

[@andrewmcalister3462]

Not only has Chloe had a 35W bump to her 1 minute power, she has also had a 35 W bump in how relaxed and confident she is in front of the camera. I hope we’ll get more Chloe and Alex content even after Big Sugar is done and dusted.

[@gcn]

These two have been smashing the planning and training! Are you looking forward to Bug Sugar?

[@chloepaton5115]

Thanks very much, too kind!

[@tankbirdfinder6219]

Chloe, thank you so much for signing up for this. I hope to see more video's with your presence and cheerfulness. Another power couple in cycling crushing it.

[@chloepaton5115]

Thanks very much, I'm not sure what I've let myself into! 😂

[@stevemawer848]

@@chloepaton5115 Looking forward to seeing how cheerful you are after the event! 🙂 Good luck with it!

[@davidshardlow4369]

Chloe and Cuthbert seem like a really great couple.. and Chloe is excellent on camera, hope we see more of her in the future..

[@gcn]

Watch this space... even better, turn your notifications on and you'll never miss these two again 🔔

[@raybarber9837]

And the dog :)

[@chloepaton5115]

Thanks David!

[@higbert99]

Really enjoying this series with Chloe and Alan. Big Kudos on the jump from 235 to 270 💪

[@gcn]

Massive push from Chloe! She's been smashing it 🙌

[@chloepaton5115]

Thanks! I was quite impressed too 😆

[@TheEpieikeia]

Stunned once again by Alex's humility. Averaging a 475W minute power is truly impressive in itself for a former pro rider! Wintertime Zwifting has made me more aware of power data. Besides, what an endearing couple they are!

[@chloepaton5115]

Alex definitely plays down how good he is 🙌🏼

[@bmwflyfisher]

I’m really digging Chloe as a presenter! Alex, thanks for letting her be in these videos. Its an added benefit hearing not only from a non-pro, it’s refreshing to hear things from a newer to cycling perspective and also a non-pro female. Extremely pleasant video, and I’ll be following you to. Lucky you for being able to have someone to do this with on the same house.

[@peterfranzjr.1190]

I'm so excited to see Chloe on here again, she is just lovely and seems to put up with shenanigans from "Alex Danger" quite well. While you're in the US, come check out the Rochester CX course, its only a 16 hour drive away!!

[@chloepaton5115]

Thanks very much!

[@phillipbailey7080]

Training & couple goals!! Currently also trying humango, turns out AI knows a lot more than I do about training!

[@gcn]

It's crazy right! 👀

[@chloepaton5115]

Thanks Phil!

[@carlawakfer9765]

Well done Chloe and Dilbert. Clearly an immense few weeks watching that vlog montage! Best of luck for Big Syrup 🍨

[@chloepaton5115]

Thanks Carla 🙌🏼

[@Robo10q]

Great to see this video and looking forward to more of Chloe and Alex in their Big Sugar adventure.

[@r.keithoswald1359]

Great video. Would love Chloe’s perspective / long term review on the Seigla, especially the suspension fork and geometry relative to her road bike (eg presumably more slack and higher bottom bracket).

[@chloepaton5115]

I've only been using the Seigla for a little while but so far I'm loving it and the fork definitely helps smooth out the bumps and make it more comfortable. Really fortunate that Lauf have loaned us the bikes for Big Sugar, can't complain!

[@askmeaboutmattweiner]

I'd really love a tutorial on how to translate structured training into the road. How do I deal with intervals when I've got traffic lights and other cars and pedestrians?

[@matt_acton-varian]

Built up areas are not conducive to fixed interval training. You need to plan a rural route which minimises disruptions, plan to avoid intervals on downhill stretches of road and recovery segments on uphill.

[@wrench_n_ride8159]

Chloe is doing awesome as a GCN presenter! Can't wait to see how you both do in the race!

[@MrRotten99]

If Tim's glasses get any larger, we'll have to start calling him Si!😎

[@SconedCyclist]

100 miles of Big Sugar is like 160 miles of your typical gravel course. Probably one of the most challenging courses you'll ever race! Good luck

[@gcn]

We couldn't think of a better pair to take it on 🙌 These two are going to smash it!

[@chloepaton5115]

Thanks, I think I'll need it!

[@gcn]

Good Luck Chloe... Just Ride 🚴‍♀️

[@laRapidafroome]

Felicidades Alex y Chloe por su avance ... exito en las 100 millas Big sugar in america !!

[@01FozzyS]

Looking forward to your race next month. Good luck to both of you!

[@chloepaton5115]

Thank you!

[@badgerban]

I've been using this for a while for Triathlon training. Great tool that I use in conjunction with a coach to really personalize the program and track progress.

[@gcn]

Great to hear you've used it before 🙌 Do you think you would ever need to go back to a real human trainer?

[@badgerban]

@@gcn Only for some specific training to improve form - bike position, swim position, weight training...

[@1TimeRunner]

Great video. Very interesting to see both of you on your plan for a rough race. Can’t wait for following videos. Cheers

[@chloepaton5115]

Thanks!

[@MTBScotland]

nice idea having the app change what training you do based on what you've previously done. Garmin lets you know if you are doing to much in one particular area but then you have to choose what to do. For novices having that help you will make a difference.

[@ohnezuckerohnefett]

1:11 took only 3,4 takes, from the sound of that laughter.

[@martinandersson5833]

Great video guys. Looking forward to the next one. Good luck in Big Sugar👍

[@chloepaton5115]

Thanks Martin!

[@bejo-108]

This is great that you and Chloe are doing this together. My husband and I ride together and we love it.

[@peterthomas8053]

Loved the content in this video, and it seems to be more representitive of us ordinary folk who ride bikes, and not just racers, ex racers etc. Keep 'em coming.👍

[@oplkfdhgk]

3:48 that's rookie stuff. rain is just extra cooling. 😛

[@kevin._.farren]

Alex giving the Brick a run for the best pain face!

[@gcn]

Hahahaha that is some claim! 😂

[@chloepaton5115]

Alex has a great pain face 😂

[@LivandTrekGoCycling]

I gave this video a thumbs up..but for the sake of clarity...the 👍 was 100% for Chloe 🚴

[@chloepaton5115]

Too kind

[@mitch_smith]

35 watts in an amazing jump. well done! super excited to see you guys take on Arkansas!

[@Russkyairsoft]

Alex, you'd definitelly enjoy a 100 miles Dirty Boar gravel ride in Belgium ;) Maybe next year?

[@loonranger469]

Im sure there is a 100 mile gravel race down the road from where you live but you get a free holiday to the states so fair play to you both...

[@chloepaton5115]

👀🇺🇲

[@MarrafaCycling]

Don't go too far, come to Belgium for the 82-mile Bolero 2023 European Gravel Championships. Its a good preparation. 😉

[@gcn]

Oooo sounds tempting! Are you taking it on? How's the training going? 🥵

[@MarrafaCycling]

@@gcn Yes! I'm going, in fact I'm going to do the recon tomorrow. from what I've seen, it's a very fast parkour. Working and training aren't so organic at the moment but I'll try to do my best, I'm doing about 350km a week. The best for both of you for the 100miles. Success!

[@mrbinc0]

I've tried this app before. And got similar issues with it regarding translating structured training i to real world (road and gravel) was beyond tricky, great for the trainer though. Another thing was the "adaptive training" calculated an FTP improvement of 30% of its own calculation over night (after a good session) and made any training almost impossible to follow. Needed to do a test and manually override the AI result. So AI is not always that "I"

[@jeromed9750]

It seems Trainer Road is years ahead of that software.. AI FTP detection, adaptive training among others.

[@lechprotean]

yeah, pretty risk to run an ad for software that most people know has a better alternative. I assume they will start pushing myWhoosh next, thinking no one knows about Zwift... Also I feel like "AI' is almost too much for the training which can be pretty simple - if your FTP is X, you set your intervals at a % of X and progressively make them harder or longer, with rest/recovery days in between. It's pretty simple really.

[@oneilwolfe407]

I’m loving watching the process of this in preparation. Well done Chloe and Alex. What bikes are you using for the race? If I may ask?

[@chloepaton946]

We're both using the Lauf Seigla!

[@mike_wottawa]

I have been using ZIHI pro what about doing a comparison between the 2

[@shellypalumbo5297]

Alex,, Thank you so much for bring your wife into your vid’s and thank you Chloe for agreeing to do it!!❤ @GCN needs to include more women into your programming. We need to get more of a women’s perspective on things. 🥰 I hope @GCN is paying Chloe for her valuable contributions. 😉

[@chloepaton5115]

Thank you! Very kind 😊

[@highhope8200]

I am gonna try the humango training ai, lets see whether i see any improvements.

[@traviscox7259]

Awesome video and very interesting... How do you guys manage doing the outdoor rides together? My wife and have vastly different FTPs so when we do a training program her Z2 and my Z2 training varies a lot. I would assume it is the same case for you guys? Haven't managed to get around that one yet... Thanks

[@ScrapKing73]

Why are stationary trainers called turbo trainers in the UK? I’ve not heard that term here in Canada. Was/is it a brand of trainer, or…?

[@RyonBeachner]

I wonder how long it will be until this type thing ends up being integrated into something like Garmin, Strava, Wahoo etc. I’m assuming it’s already in the works.

[@socopower]

Looks like a great thing to go through as a couple! However I have to say there were two issues here: there’s no way two people with such different fitness should follow the same training plan. And also we if you chose a 1min max effort as a measure of fitness for what’s essentially an endurance objective. FTP at minimum, or VO2max, should align better with the effort you are preparing for

[@Frostbiker]

What makes you think the plan for both was identical?

[@socopower]

@@Frostbiker it may not be identical, but the seem to ride together most of the time, same pace. At least not a difference that would match the massive difference in watts at start

[@madmick9205]

That was really interesting. AI coaching sounds cool. But, is it better than human coaching? Or, is AI simply taking it's information from all of the human coaching out there and deciding what is best given all of the information you inputted? Or, did it come up with it's own idea's. I really want to know. My head is melting! Nice to meet Chloe, Alex is clearly batting out of his league, fair play:)

[@gcn]

All great questions! Would you like us to sit down with Humango and get nerdy? 🤓

[@cst99003]

@@gcn Yes

[@madmick9205]

@@gcn Hell yes, Let Ollie off the leash! But seriously, Hell yes. This could be very seriously a revolutionary step in where we get our training info from. Lead the GCM.

[@HumangoAI]

let's do it! @@gcn 🤓

[@oplkfdhgk]

could you test some winter tires? i would really like to know how well marathon 365 compares to studded tire. 🙂

[@barrymurrah270]

Glad to see you all doing the Big Sugar Race. It’s a lot of fun and such a great event. I live right here in bentonville but no race for me 🥲

[@chloepaton5115]

I'm looking forward to visiting Bentonville and doing Big Sugar, albeit a bit terrified! 😆

[@barrymurrah270]

@@chloepaton5115 it’s going to be a great time. Everything in town is so bike related especially with big events like this. Weather typically is beautiful and the fall colors should be changing. If you have any questions on local stuff before you get here just let me know.

[@gomeziakTV]

Hi, what is the brand / model of the backlight (that uner the seat / saddle)?

[@chloepaton5115]

I use an Exposure tracer light that sits under the saddle, it's great and worth the money

[@filippopogacar]

Claude, Axel’s wife, is so nice 😅

[@chloepaton5115]

Ah thank you

[@nghalas]

How do I sync my training program to my Garmin edge unit?

[@chrisstrider]

We want more Chloe and whoever that bloke is 😊

[@chloepaton5115]

We've got at least 1 more video 😆

[@ebikescrapper3925]

Is GCN up for sale?

[@RobLennox]

Great vid. Look forward to seeing how Allan and Chloe get on at Big Sugar. But re: Humango... it costs nearly the same amount as my actual human coach? $20 per month? Seriously?!

[@staypufft80]

How do you keep your wahoo from dropping erg?

[@deckape2423]

It looks like you are both using several different bikes. Do you each have a favorite you are using?

[@chloepaton5115]

For out on the road I use my Canyon Ultimate but for gravel we've been using the Lauf Seigla, they've hooked us up for Big Sugar, I have to say it's an amazing bike!

[@deckape2423]

@@chloepaton5115 thank you.

[@martindirkzimmer]

LOVING THE DOG!

[@chloepaton5115]

Buster is the best

[@atlantaswelder]

471 WATTS !! Its time for you to come outa retirement 🚴🏼💨

[@gcn]

Please don't tempt him 👀 We wan't to keep him ...

[@manfrommontreal]

35 Watts is insane, mad respect!

[@gcn]

It's always great to see those improvements 🙌 Do you have a set way you train?

[@manfrommontreal]

@@gcn yeah, the low tech way: every couple of weeks I ride the "usual route" and try to improve Strava segments. If I can take 10 - 20 seconds on multiple kilometer segments, I'm still improving. On half kilometer segments (500 meters), if I only ride 0.5 - 1 second improvement, I have maxed that type of effort out. Never tried a Ramp or FTP test.

[@chloepaton5115]

Thanks! I was quite impressed too 😆

[@nickc4716]

Curious why you guys are quoting 1 min power. I know FTP isn’t everything but how much relevance does 1m power have to a long gravel event?

[@larter_larter]

My concern about using AI as a coach is to what extent it will consider the human emotional aspect, when suggesting a training plan. Will it primarily focus on providing the most efficient training plan for a specific goal? That might work perfect for a robot cyclist, but a human is more complex. The most efficient plan might not be the most efficient in combination with human feelings.

[@dthornew]

Well, at least you can tell it how you feel on a daily basis, as well as give feedback on each training segment, including RPE. I was fairly happy when it suggested I take an easy day after I'd completed a couple of sessions, but I rated the RPE as "hard". That's at least better than my experience with the Zwift training plans.

[@henrikwille8135]

Is it really AI or just a training aplication, like the ones people as been programming for many years ?, can it do self programing, and learn? I see alot of app's now caled AI that existed before but now have changed name to somthing with AI

[@stephenmacklin4556]

If you want to know "How on earth your marriage survives?" it's simple. Let her win!

[@timowen5772]

Nice film. Two comments: 1. Your improvements - you should have put up w/kg because if you also lost 5kg and increases your power, your real gain is a lot greater. 2. You didn’t comment on whether you would have got similar or better results, esp the ‘marginal gain’, by using a human coach.

[@andreemurray7039]

Would it work with out a turbo trainer

[@SXsoft99]

Even here I can't escape AI, God damn it

[@rainoparder]

shouldnt u be seated until the end of the ramp test? :)

[@serisingh]

Your dog is so cute!!! ❤❤❤❤

[@gcn]

Big fans of the Paton Pooch in the office 🙌

[@chloepaton5115]

Buster says thanks!

[@kramrenrut950]

35 watts improvement brilliant Chloe

[@chloepaton5115]

Thanks!

[@matt_acton-varian]

Another great insight from the latest GCN dynamic duo. AI is certainly a curious method but if it makes adjustments based on your workout results it sounds like a well thought out program. If a real coach refuses to make these changes based on circumstances it's a sure sign you've hired a shit coach and need to fire them.

[@waywardchildcyclist]

Well done Chloe great improvement showing up John or is it Cathal anyway your husband 😂

[@PhilandErika]

Chloe reminds me a bit of Rachel Atherton

[@bjm2762]

My question is: Will you cycle together in the race or do your own race?

[@chloepaton5115]

We'll do the race together, as long as Alex can keep up 😆

[@benbos1925]

Ist the whole idea of AI, not that you wouldnt have to put in data and do ramptests?? If you give it acess to your history, like STRAVA, Trainingpeaks etc. Should it not find out who you are and hat you should do??

[@harleypurcell7766]

Can we not exchange Jack for Chloe… Way easier on the eyes & ears…. She can help Manon even out the visuals

[@chloepaton5115]

I've not got the tech knowledge 😆

[@harleypurcell7766]

@@chloepaton5115 well i am not sure any of them do because i brought all the tech & with the combined watt/time saving it still doesnt allow me to finish before i start….

[@andreopouloscoaching2250]

❤❤❤

[@cgfootman]

Did Si lend Albert his glasses?

[@adamwallace9790]

The dogs of gcn need a video. Maybe cargo bike dog transportation.

[@chloepaton5115]

Great idea but Buster would 100% hate it 😆

[@woodee8948]

I'd like to see them cycle on a can of condensed milk, sprint and 100km challenge

[@djdirect3493]

Just a note that you can't actually export humango workouts to your wahoo head unit at the moment. They don't have a way around it and are apparently working with wahoo to resolve, but have been doing that for the last 6 months.....

[@cst99003]

With Zwift you can export a Zwo file and move it into Zwift workouts. I believe there are three export options. Zwift, Wahoo, and a third. A shitty process but it is possible

[@JanneRasanen2]

@GCN Oooh nooo! Women tend to say that in order to succeed in working life you need to be twice as good as men and it is easy. I dread to think of the ramifications of Al scoring twice as much as the wifey. Plus the ironic one Watt ;-)

[@davida8906]

Did Alex cheat? Every ramp test I’ve done says remain seated, but he’s clearly out of the saddle at the end of his!

[@tristonsmy2434]

Xert been doing this for years and probably better, and cheaper!!

[@minhhoangnguyen1763]

I wish the video had Vietnamese subtitles

[@lukewalker1051]

Why wouldn't AI coaching closely duplicate human coaching efforts? Further, there is likely a broad disparity in human coaches. AI algorithms are based upon the same protocols that humans choose to coach their riders. Over time as AI further evolves, it will supplant a human coach because AI will draw from a larger data base. Disparity in calculation capability between AI and humans for best regiments in cycling training is likely miniscule. Humans are limited by the size of their brain cortex in terms of information capacity and why the human race is doomed. 😉 Good luck to you two in your marriage and cycling endeavors. To me personally, trying to find that last watt of FTP takes the fun out of it....or you have to really want it bad and quite rare for a married couple to share exactly the same motivation.

[@ltrtg13]

I'm not 100% sure I'd trust Skynet to do my training program.

[@bobicabayo]

5:16 👀

[@TheAttyjace]

Is it hu-mango? Or human-go? 😂

[@albertkikstra]

Most “normal” coaches just put your data through their program on the pc and send you a schedule that they have absolutely nothing to do with. So , what’s the difference with AI? None.

[@HighFell]

Not sure I believe in this AI malarkey, Jervais and by osmosis Chloe, have knowledge of real person training.

[@tonyhands-heart5492]

Are you meant to stay seated for an FTP test ?

[@mbastos1000]

Who is she? Wow! Finally an interesting GCN hostess!

[@arhu74]

$19/month for cyclists even $29/month for triathletes. That's rather expensive for a newcomer to the structured training app market

[@MarkArthur]

What? I pay $70 monthly for my human coach. So it's a bargain

[@arhu74]

@@MarkArthur i wasn't comparing to a human coach but to other training apps which cost from 15 to as low as 8/month

[@MarkArthur]

@@arhu74 alright so clarified they're the new comer not you. Which apps are cheaper pls send links that would be very helpful thank you!

[@arhu74]

@@MarkArthur trainerroad is 190/yr, zwift and wahoo systm around 15/month and Join only 90/year

[@MarkArthur]

@@arhu74 are they AI? Do they create and customize workouts based on your power and day to day situation?

[@TeacherNickoy]

the fact that she has higher ftp than me T_T im not fit.

[@bobicabayo]

Very!😅

[@bobfoster687]

Alex”s face looks like he lost weight.

[@AlanLyne]

A bit disappointed this is a sponsored video. A much more informative video would be been to have 4 cyclists being coached. 2 with real life coach and 2 with an AI coach. But one of the two, in each group, would be blind to the experiment and not know what type of coach they had. The similar testing could be done before and after to gauge performance increase. Also not have any sponsors (related to coaching) to remove any possible bias.

[@blairdrader5490]

GCN always produces interesting content, non-biased experiments are not really part of it. I'm not sure but I'd guess that most reviews are paid product placements so you have to take it with a grain of salt. You make an excellent proposal for comparison though.

[@AlanLyne]

@@blairdrader5490 I completely understand. My disappointment came from the title and getting some honest feedback about ai coaching but no matter the outcome it will always be positive. I refer to GCN speaking positively about the Shimano power meters which are notoriously inaccurate.

[@Samlikes2ski]

the entire channel is sponsored content lmao

[@arhu74]

​@@AlanLynewell Alex's results weren't too impressive

[@MarkArthur]

This would not have happened if it's not a sponsored video. I don't understand people's beef with sponsored videos. You have brains so just filter out your doubts while watching. Research and find your own truth. Don't blame sporsored videos for not getting everything that you need.

[@alexseguin5245]

Ah yes, training "AI", also known as... an algorithm.

[@mx2000]

You are like 3 to 6 months late to the AI hype, guys.

[@Music-pq8cm]

I support employing humans.

[@stevemc1790]

R u guys Christmas elves?

[@gcn]

Busted 🎅

[@douglasbooth6836]

Stick your AI