We Got Dem Sloppy, Sour Street Hemi Blues

We debated on completely tearing down the 426 in Andy's 67 GTX, until we decided to go with a fresh set of valve springs. Oh boy, it's a good thing we did! The pile of issues we discovered when we cracked the heads off means this engine is going to require a thorough going through...with a good possibility that list gets longer the deeper we go.
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[@spencermcclymonds6566]

You know things are serious when uncle Tony isn't smoking

[@mikeymike758]

"What's the next step for today?" "Go to the bank."

[@LtFrankDrebbin]

and then the pub!

[@albertgaspar627]

no kidding...a 426 Hemi is like a Boss 429--many internal race parts, few of their wedge descendants have. Big boy bank account material. This is the reason why so many fooled around with wedges.

[@chuckyz2]

To even consider not to go through everything is insane. The car deserves it. Measure twice cut once. Give that gem the treatment.

[@suzyjohnson4667]

100% agree. Words of wisdom indeed!

[@albertgaspar627]

on a high demand, big ticket consumer item...expect there to be some cheatin' involved. We still use the expression "truth from the horse's mouth" because before cars, folks dyed the hair on their horses to get them to look young and sell for more. You had to look at the teeth and gums to spot an old hag ready for the glue factory. Seller mentality has not changed. Caveat emptor--and budget accordingly.

[@fastinradfordable]

Me n my old boss both swapped high mileage Tdis into older vw. His was bored over. And ultimately burned oil and required 2nd bore over. So the block is basically done. I honed and refreshed my reused internals and I’m still been driving it. Many thousands of miles. Daily. His was a restored mint vehicle and only gets occasionally mileage. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. But if you never try to do it on the cheap (uncle tony style). You never stand a chance of saving money. But be my guest to just throw it away for peace of mind. Not saying the car doesn’t deserve a nice motor. Just sayin. Logic is one thing. How it plays out is another.

[@albertgaspar627]

@@fastinradfordable respectfully....checking out an engine before blowing it up IS cheap. Its cheaper than laying waste to expensive parts that can be saved if remachined/reassembled the proper way. One of the magazines UT worked at, tested a yellow Boss 351 Mustang after they went up in value, and found a piece of cardboard used as a gasket on the autolite carb. There is a long history of folks flipping cheap--in fact UT has a few videos on what he's seen. so its not paranoid to suspect a Hemi, the king of flips. there is cheap, and there is "penny wise, pound foolish". just sayin'. I've seen cars advertised for "too good to pass up" prices, until i investigated...and found enough wrong to realize it was a complete build and I already had 5 at home. sometimes we focus on today's price and ignore the long term--like the $200 rust bucket that will one day cost more than the $2,000 solid southern dry climate car. that's the cheap that really isn't. just sayin'.

[@stevepastore7970]

Just remember what Ron Ward said in the video of his Roadrunner "They said that it was rebuilt!" Lesson taken!!!

[@GalaxieMarauder]

Heard that bullshit on Roadkill when they had the 63 Galaxie. "Motor was rebuilt" as it cranked and never developed oil pressure????

[@tonybarracuda3505]

Some guys idea of a rebuild is putting new gaskets in.

[@LionWithTheLamb]

@@tonybarracuda3505 The Typical rebuilt engines for sale around here are basically emery cloth used on the crank and rod journals, new bearings, and rings right out of the box and slapped on. New gaskets and it's in the paper as a FULL rebuild. There are of course the guys with that do new gaskets and paint the engine "rebuild".

[@ajwilson605]

Back in the early '70's I looked at a '68 440 Road Runner that was for sale. A friend was with me and we had it fired up and idling. I was sitting in the car and depressed the clutch. My friends eyes went wide and he told me to come look at this. We swapped places and when he depressed the clutch, the crank move forward almost .100! Let off, it'd go back. The guy said he'd just spent $2K getting the motor rebuilt. I showed him that the thrust bearing was shot and the engine needs to be torn down to check everything. He was trying to sell the car for $3500.....I offered him $800.... He wasn't happy...

[@albertgaspar627]

anybody who really knows engines, knows that even "crate engines" slip thru with Monday morning/friday afternoon quality. Or it can just sit long enough on a shelf, Gas Monkey had that with a 472 Cadillac engine. wanna buy an engine for racing? pay for a guarantee. Life isn't free.

[@northernwolfhound7096]

Sorry man it sucks but better to deal now than to let it deteriorate. On the bright side she's gonna be a real sweetheart when she's done. 👍

[@mindeloman]

More excited about new episode installments on this car than Game of Thrones.

[@chaddavis7228]

Willing to bet it will end better

[@mindeloman]

@@chaddavis7228 no doubt.......

[@johnsmith7676]

TV is mind-rot. Turn it off.

[@redram5150]

Luckily we won’t have any twist endings, like the crankshaft decides it suddenly wants to be a cam

[@scooterwoodley195]

I am totally fine watching more content on this one!

[@Latsaaben]

This is channel is gold, down to earth and something us viewers can relate to. Glad I found this channel. Best regards, a Saab-maniac from Norway!

[@uncle_moose]

Here is another saab owner from northern sweden that likes this channel.

[@jtuck6065]

Thank you for your service, Andy 🇺🇸

[@craighansen7594]

I commented on not running that motor without disassembly and a thorough inspection. I am glad it is coming out and getting fully disassembled, your friend will have a good solid motor now.

[@billyryan9470]

Uncle Tony, you guys are just full throttle with the new shop. Great videos all the time. Its awesome.

[@Beandiptheredneck]

I've noticed that the quality and quantity of videos have gone up since the move. Glad they pulled the trigger on this shop

[@chasmontecarlo7271]

Hi Andy thank you for your service 🇺🇸👍

[@HeadFlowInc]

Always better to do it right so it’ll last. I can’t wait to hear it run and see the smile on the owners face!

[@luke3757]

The owner is smart. Spend the money now and get it all done right. You're very lucky to have Tony in your corner. It'll run like a beast when you're done. 🏁💥👍

[@XLesky]

From what's happened to me, with any engine now before install I knock out the welch plugs and clean the cooling passages thoroughly! I have a 245 Hemi six in an 1970 VG Valiant Ute that had sat for decades. Got it to fire up easily enough, but after a few minutes one of the original steel plugs was weeping. Glad I pulled the engine out to do all of them, because at the back of the block it was full of red dirt and rust! An entire day with the engine on a crane and using a power washer I managed to clear everything out and then put in nice new brass plugs. So happy I caught that before I started using the Ute, now it sits just below halfway on the temperature gauge and runs beautifully!

[@nathanyoung4162]

You don't know what kind of worms they are till you open the can.🤑

[@ScottKenny1978]

This was a can of freaking Dune shai-hulud sandworms!

[@TheArcticWonder]

@@ScottKenny1978 you nerd. I love this comment. :)

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@TheArcticWonder I wear the title with pride!

[@spacecat7247]

@@ScottKenny1978 lol nice. Flesh and c note eaters.

[@albertgaspar627]

depends on the can, too. A Hemi, a Boss 429--these ain't engines you run thru the local remanufacturer and then spray with nitrous. A lot of race parts, a lot of tolerances, a lot of parts they don't see on Chevy 305 targetmasters very often and don't have the tools to measure.

[@mudduck754]

I remember lifting hemi heads around like that when I was younger

[@mindeloman]

Yeah.....I really like the old school feel of these episodes. Two dudes just working on an old Mopar. Never mind these things are in value with some Ferraris. This is what it looked like before auctions drove the value of these things to ridiculous prices.

[@easygoing2479]

Yup. Many moons ago ('70s) all the guys expressed to me how careful they'd have been while lugging Hemi heads around - but they're the easiest of them all to handle if you ask me. The casting on the intake side for the rocker cover flange provides a perfect grab handle. Easy peasy.

[@snake_eyes_garage]

Ha yeah I took my '64 heads to my engine builder for inspection, dropped one of the heads on my foot. Pretty much broke my toe but luckily ok enough to live with. It's why I wanted to run '65 aluminum heads but the ones I have are a total mess and need quite a bit of work. Turns out one of the '64 heads has a water jacket leak I have to fix. And so the engine builder wants to use the nice '69 heads I have. That's a bit disappointing to use on a '64 block but they are about 10lb lighter per head than the '64 heads that had more nickel content. Hemi's are complete misery but the day I get one running will be worth it.

[@albertgaspar627]

@@mindeloman the good news about all those big prices? now you can restore a 340 mopar--the parts are availible in a catalog. back in the old days, you cut up a solid 383 just to save a rusted Sixer or Hemi

[@lonewolf744]

Look at it this way. Now he will know its all fixed right and put back together right. 👍

[@chacebryan1559]

he could do electrolysis on the block. I just did it on my 400 because of the exact same issue with my water passages. I have a video on youtube if youre interested to see how it turned out.

[@StarlightWorkshop0z]

Only see a deer video

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

I just use a $3 Prestone Flush kit and the garden hose on my Mustang with the solid rocket fuel powered rear diff that run's 9's and lifts the front wheels 6 feet off the ground

[@Stevesbe]

@@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS Sick bro

[@chacebryan1559]

@@StarlightWorkshop0z kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpvaY4aahM6moas

[@albertgaspar627]

electrolysis is great, and there's molasses dip, too. old farmers and blacksmiths had a clue back in their day. but today we have "instant gratification" and folks don't want to wait for either process to work.

[@Z_732]

Im glad you guys opted for looking deeper. It will be worth it in the long run I believe. May want to check the deck and head height. Maybe they put those washers on because they milled too deep.

[@sonnymaile9325]

My thoughts exactly. Seems as thought they milled both the block and heads and were too cheap to buy correct length bolts and studs

[@Z_732]

Exactly. Because if they just wanted it to sell it because of what it is. They obviously didn't build it to keep it.

[@ewconway]

Oh geez, don’t you just love surprises like this? Not! I remember that sinking feeling when you encounter major engine problems like this. 😩

[@tedbundy3775]

Uncle Tony for president

[@jamescameron6819]

Couldn't be worse than anyone else the past 20 years

[@redchris97]

Uncle Tony will get my vote if that ever happens

[@richardbrickner1688]

Uncle Tony LOVES Lean Burn!

[@JA-sm9zf]

Very cool info on the Hemi mounts thanks

[@lawrencenicolaides2361]

Glad y'all are rebilding this motor

[@accuracymark]

Hey guys great update! But if I was so lucky to have a original 60’s hemi car! I would love to have the issues your having! Put it together right and then you will always know its right. Then the next lucky owner as well.

[@francfurian8215]

It’s sad & terrible for Andy. On the bright side it will be good content for the show & Andy will have a much better car that he can really enjoy. Cheers & stay safe guys😊

[@animoetprudentia2865]

Similar story to my current KTM project. A simple thread repair on one exhaust pipe bolt revealed it needed full top end rebuild. Troubleshooting often times finds trouble, but it's going to run better and for longer!

[@85superchris]

Working on old cars is a workout! All that heavy metal.

[@steveschug80]

Andy is awesome, A Geissele Automatics T-shirt in this episode. Thank you for your service.

[@josephatkins6581]

The last thing this old carpenter is going to do is work on a car,, but for some reason I can't stop watching other people do it

[@johntotten4872]

Sucks you have to tear it all down but look on the bright side. UTG helping you build it back means years of flawless service, where as you not tearing it down would have been years of headaches and tearing it down later. Thanks for your service Andy my son also had the same motto from the Army.

[@Beandiptheredneck]

He'll definitely be a lot happier with it after they are done than he ever would have been before. Itll be like a new engine

[@chrishensley6745]

So true on ALL makes and models when dealing with High Perf. cars.....Labor of Love is so true.

[@m3horn]

Yes I wouldn't have trusted what is inside that engine. That's is based on what the two of you found on the top half of the engine me put to geather right. Glad to see that you two are going to rebuild the hole engine now and Andy will be better off and much happier in the end with the car 👍👍

[@AtZero138]

Sorry to say.. but at every turn.. this Motor is telling a Sad story, in better hands Now.. Mopar Everyday and Everywhere!!

[@bigbear5510]

Good thing they found this now, otherwise it would have bit them in the butt!

[@electrolytics]

Yeah. Thanks for your service!! USA!!

[@don66hotrod94]

As Gomer used to say, "Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!" Never trust someone else's work, especially when there are obvious screw-ups.

[@ScottKenny1978]

Well, there's also a lack of logbooks here. At least with aircraft you know who to go after when a repair is crap!

[@Chuck_Carolina]

Well, let's get it right!

[@gtv6fan]

I learn something new with every video. Thanks for getting into the details.

[@peltel2222]

I wish I hadn’t left my Hemi Cuda’ in the garage during Hurricane Katrina. Miss the Hemi days. Expensive though. This brings back many memories. Good luck guys!!!

[@jameshopkins145]

Love the hat Andy. I too am an Allis fan. Thank you for your service!!

[@mattubel5919]

Love the allis chalmers hat

[@Adamu98]

Had to be done but you will not regret it thats for sure.

[@ettoredivirgilius8789]

It was the smart thing to do.... tear down and inspect

[@denniswatkins4666]

It may be a pain in the ass now but, think how disappointed you would have been when it didn’t run right and broke down in a year or two. Good job on just building it now and knowing what you have going down the road.

[@SteveP-vm1uc]

I have seen cross firing by the gasket when everything was flat, but the head bolt threads where loaded with corrosion and crap. This would explain why some bolts felt tighter than others as I found...

[@leviticusjones2384]

We have a regular customer that finds "good deals" on all types of classics, buys them often sight unseen, then brings them in to have us check them out. He just brought in a 1948 Ford coupe, with a 351 Cleveland/C4 combo. Typical weekend warrior custom stuff was done. Engine was "fresh built", but car it came from was wrecked. The seller slapped it in with no choke, and nonfunctional secondaries, and terribly tuned. After a good warmup running rich, it has great throttle from 1/3-1/2 pedal. Any more than that and it's like hitting a brick wall. I suspect other issues as well.

[@drippinglass]

Yup. You may as well tear it completely down... and put it together the right way. 😀👍

[@michaelferro897]

yeah, as soon as y'all saw a few funky issues with the car and engine you knew unfortunately not everything was proper. it's to bad it was in the shape it's in, but way better that y'all caught it before anything detrimental happened to it and it either grenaded or worse yet someone got hurt out on the road. atleast now you'll know it'll be fixed properly and running great after all is said and done, and although it wasn't what it was initially supposed to be done to it, its really for the best to have discovered what you did. good luck and thanks again y'all!!!

[@allenlarabie8854]

I'm so glad you guys decided to pull this motor out and take it apart. As you already know, doing it right the first time pays off. 👍🏼👍🏼

[@MrStrollerisme]

The worst thing I ever ran into in so called "it's built" was the head bolts. Well they were bolts. Zinc coated hardware store variety. Ya never know ya just never know.

[@Jimmyk63]

Thank you for your insitghts and video 🙂❤👍

[@jeffreyrubish347]

It's always something. . . You can't have one, nice thing.

[@thman6453]

Man Tony love what you are doing there 👍 wish you were closer to me I could really use a hand with this cutlass I have I know that your more of a Mopar guy

[@Charon-5582]

Tony has done tons of G-body work in the past, he knows those cars inside out.

[@thman6453]

It's actually a 76 that is a A body

[@Charon-5582]

@@thman6453 he can fix anything from that era, he used to work on other people's cars all the time.

[@dantupper1784]

Sometimes tearing down or removing an engine, even though it isn't what you wanted to do or budgeted for- is the best thing you could have done for it. When it starts ripping up the street again, the feeling will be priceless!

[@ericuncapher9922]

Great video... I'm hooked..

[@danfarris135]

I’ve got the same disease, the more I disassemble something the more I find wrong and can’t stop myself until I have fixed everything. I just keep telling myself that I’m in too deep to stop now. Might as well do it all or I will regret it later.

[@duanedahljr1669]

Leave no stone unturned....too expensive in the long run not too! My 528 hemi project is all new parts, not going to go through the OE wasteland of over priced mystery parts...im confident you guys will be victorious! Carry on!

[@unclesquirrel6951]

Personally I blame squirrels

[@SophiaAphrodite]

I am not saying it was was aliens..........................but it was aliens.

[@thman6453]

Man them pesky critters get into everything lol

[@jontrudell7529]

👎 👎 👎

[@bigbear5510]

Defiantly, squirrels brought the nuts to assemble this engine.

[@bigbear5510]

@@oldpolak5203 LOL, magic nuts.

[@russabrams3982]

It would be a good idea to check the valve guide clearance when you change the valve springs , a new set of valve seals will also help. If the clearances are big then too much oil will get down the guides into the combustion chamber . Also the factory did use those thick washers on the head bolts . Nice project !

[@robertbrydge5778]

I’m glad to see that you’re going to take it apart and check everything in the engine, I thought something might be questionable internally. Some idiot banged it together just to sell it and now you must pay that price, the car is worth it she’s a beauty, looking forward to the process

[@biggirlbathingsuits8210]

Melling still catalogs the 1966 / 1967 Street Hemi camshaft, which is different from the 68-69 camshaft that Mopar Performance sells. The 1966 and 1967 Street Hemi engines had the Race Hemi dual valve springs and no valve stem oil seals.

[@dietervaloczky6051]

My son's 83 Eagle 4.2 threw a rod, we found a new rebuilt engine, had crane cam and ready to go, we got it running and it made noise, they didn't put in the oil plug behind the timing chain and smoked the crank and a rod, luckily it was stock, re did a rod and turned crank 10/10 lesson learned not to trust anybody.

[@roadrunner4404]

It's a shame you have to fix that many things, but after UT is done it will be awesome.

[@needmetal3221]

Theres no easy way out with old stuff.

[@gristlepounder]

Good info on the motor and the 5th SFG. I know someone who was in that for many years. Much respect!

[@Greaseland]

I don't mind them talking it apart. I want to see what's inside.

[@Buzz-vz2js]

Me neither. I never seen inside an elephant before

[@jontrudell7529]

CULT LEADER UTG!!!

[@danderson9881]

The devil is in the details! Stuff like that is disheartening, but good finds. Those washers probably weren't even hardened engine washer, plus they were never meant to be there. When finished, that ol Hemi will be better than factory, and sound.

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

Hey wait?! You got a Miata motor right there... time for another SWAP!! Maita powered Hemi GTX... right guys? .... guys??

[@terryl7855]

Lol, I think a part of me would just check out of this world.

[@hermanmunster5831]

Engine worth that kinda money Im glad ur gonna make it rite 👍👍👍👍

[@erich8422]

Chrysler Quality Control LOL it’s like Big Foot hasn’t been seen!

[@robertspence831]

I remember pulling Hemi heads in my Road Runner. It's a handful for sure.

[@johnk3386]

That's sucks! But you'll know the condition of the engine now! I like how Tony can honestly talk about the pros and cons of the elephant! He's a true Dodge, Chrysler, Plymouth enthusiasts. If I ever need to know Mopar knowledge I'm coming here

[@rickkings2071]

I pulled a gas tank out of a wrecking yard yesterday looked dirty on the outside but super clean on the inside thanks for the tip to check inside it! Must have been replaced because it was on a old 72 skylark. I was expecting to see it looking like his inside

[@henryescat1104]

I just knew there was going to be some more funkiness in that motor... There was just too many loose bolts.. There is no way I would have just put it back together as is.. So I was right.. I'm not surprised one bit.

[@Chevyguy-1984]

Good thing you guys opened that thing up, if there were cylinders sharing fire it would have eventually ruined the block (I’ve seen it happen to a Ford 460)

[@johnkendall6962]

It's sad it had to come to taking out the engine and starting over but it's really for the best. That way you're not guessing, you know whats there. I was one of those who said with as much as you found wrong it really brought to question everything inside the motor.

[@jlletaw1954]

It's in the right place now

[@ScottKenny1978]

I'm really glad you're going through the engine. I would not have trusted it, and it looks like that distrust was warranted. Sadly.

[@elmerfudpucker3204]

After seeing the shape of the outside of that engine, I'm so glad you went into it, and found this. It would be a heartbreaker to have gotten the other stuff up to snuff and have something inside that rare block let go and ruin it.

[@DeliciousDeBlair]

Those SHOULDERS are CRITICAL for HEAD ALIGNMENT!!!

[@StarlightWorkshop0z]

I'd be water boarding who ever sold me that. Get the real story out of them.

[@ScottKenny1978]

Rubber hose crypto. Or maybe even a lead pipe.

[@StarlightWorkshop0z]

@@jamesplotkin4674 great one. :)

[@albertgaspar627]

caveat emptor, baby! can't afford to pay, can't afford to play. Hemis were never, ever known for cheap HP. that's why folks grabbed 2bbl 440's and went to town on those to make the average out of tune Hemi look sick-whether fresh off the showroom floor or off the car show lawn with a trophy in the back and a trailer waiting in the parking lot.

[@jeremypike9153]

You may have a few sunken valve seats in those heads to have adjustment variations like you had or you might have an eaten up camshaft. The problem is at either end for sure.

[@sethbarnes7608]

Am I seeing a little chunk missing out of the exhaust valve?!?🤔

[@79tazman]

Man even though it sucks that you gotta do it but at least you will know that it's done and you won't have to worry about if the rod bolts were torqued right or when a head gasket may let go on you. You will know everything is done and there will be no more surprises once it's done and the engine will have great coolant flow and you will not have to worry about overheating at every stop light or every hot day it will be cleaned out like it should be done in the first place.

[@macelius]

Oh oh, the heads are comin' off, better grab a drink.

[@kevkilian]

Such an awesome video! Love it

[@chasmontecarlo7271]

Hi uncle tony you guys did the right thing when you get done with it will be sweet

[@slowg8701]

I see that you have a seabee flag that's sweet! I was a seabee...

[@brucejones2354]

This engine will be so much easier to work on while mounted on an engine stand. It's worth the time and effort to pull it out!

[@lobogtx348]

good job tony,long live to the mopar family!

[@suzyjohnson4667]

I would recondition it fully. Complete new valve train, magnafluxed, bake the block, spot penned, turn crank, recondition rods, new pistons, balance and blue printed, all new ARP fasteners and some ceramic high temp engine paint. Do it right or don't do it at all. Totally agree with Chuckyz2

[@AmericanDefender]

Just had a similar thing happen to me with my valiant.

[@757optim]

Did some work with SOG/MACV back in the day. The Elephant was making itself a legend then. Congrats on your acquisition. Uncle Tony will make her well.

[@josephatkins6581]

We have more in common than some may believe

[@paisleyprince5280]

The heads of the exhaust valves should have been a nice light tan color. That engine was not healthy, taking it apart was the right decision.

[@Wildman9]

Talk about a can of worms .This poor guy got took ! Fresh rebuild my arse . They thought 2 weeks ,now turns into 2 months . Good luck boys . Hope you don't find anymore hitches. 🔩🔧

[@mikec3142]

Damn, sorry to hear that fella's. But it will bet better then new when done.

[@vincerencher9128]

the car/engine is at correct shop. looking forward to see it melt the tires!