We have an autofocusing problem....(Fujifilm XT5 Firmware 3.01)

[@Iamtongue]

Update : firmware update 4.0 is released, in the mean while I’ll be making a video about this so please report back in real time your thoughts if autofocus issue has been resolved.

[@dennisg1045]

@@Iamtongue looking forward to it.

[@andyp5693]

@@Iamtongue FW 4.0.made things much worse. 😁😁😁😁😁 Except for fuji fanboys who only care about film sims

[@IAmniceify1]

Gave up and went to Sony, thankfully its my first camera and i have only the 18-55mm

[@leimleim]

@@andyp5693 its character bro XD

[@davidroseborough]

I hope Fuji sees this video. I am a fuji fan boy but I cant ignore this at all.

[@helldriver1957]

I have forwarded the link to this video to them as I’ve been in contact with them several times regarding this matter.

[@jcar4522]

@@helldriver1957 Thank you for doing that. Doing the same and seems Blurryfilm is focused in other things, so time to say goodby to Blurryfilm!

[@helldriver1957]

@@jcar4522 They got back to me the same day saying that there was an update for the X-H2S within a couple of days and “more to come” at the end of June 🙏

[@jcar4522]

@@helldriver1957 They have just released 6.01 few hours ago and doesnt fix anything. Do you mean there'll be another one in addition to the 6.01 in June? To be honest, too late... im looking for a6700 or fx30

[@hanns1401]

The green box is a lie! That's honestly my biggest gripe. Not only can't the camera do continuous subject detect focus consistently (in my experience, even on subjects sitting still), but it lies about it. Hard to trust the tool when it lies to you.

[@Iamtongue]

Sounds liek I am going back to using single point AF

[@destinybond]

The green lying box gave me aids

[@Ouhno]

Yes, I do agree with green box!

[@destinybond]

@@Iamtongue might as well get a dslr from 2008. The af-s is more reliable on those lol

[@gianmarco_phce]

this is sadly true...

[@chessFo]

Before Fujifilm constantly increase the prices of cameras and lenses, they should first deliver reliable products that correspond to the current technical standards.

[@FuckYouTubeForHandles]

They would if they could. Realistically, they are just incapable due to incompetency. Let's just accept it after years of fixing, but still not being able to provide a reliable focusing.

[@POW.CREEPER]

Can we create a Patreon for you wife please? You got her out there zig zagging, dogging tree leaves & sun rays, holding "Help Me" signs, it's a sad look. We won't stand for this! lol

[@Iamtongue]

LOLLL

[@edvard2942]

hhhahahha

[@POW.CREEPER]

@@edvard2942 Hi Ed, Love your Autofocus video too!

[@edvard2942]

@@POW.CREEPER Thanks,Gonna post today a new one :D we should do a patreon for my girlfriend too haha

[@POW.CREEPER]

@@edvard2942 LOL! FORGOT YOU GOT HER TOO! Where do you guys find these women, I cant even point my camera to my wife without her giving me the death stare lol - PROPS!

[@a97b18b]

I really do hate when the fanboys say, “ you just don’t know how to set up the AF, you have the wrong settings “. Why do I need to dive deep into the menu and spend hours tweaking and experimenting on each setting? On my Canon, I put it in the mode I want and it works like 90% + of the time. I’ve never tweaked any AF setting on my canon r6

[@apamacam4838]

Well said. When I was using the fuji, I've to constantly put myself on high alert mode when shooting important events such as wedding and baptism. Because in the past, my fuji lost focus on important moments. It was very easy on a6000 made me felt like I was cheating (after switching from dslr) before I switched to fuji and it is also very easy on the R6 and R6II that I'm using now. Never the need to deep dive into menu to change AF settings for different scenario. They just work.

[@Iamtongue]

Exactly!!! It shouldn’t be this hard! Something that I can use straight out of the box.

[@Keilikeramen]

I just play with xt4 my friend camera today street photo the result night and day for movement subject compare to my a9 I though I never interest in fuji anymore

[@benejpocock]

Totally agree with this. I've recently come back to photography and trialed a few systems before ultimately going with an X-H2. I like the camera, I like their colour science, and I just preferred it over the others I trialled. However, the Sony A7iv straight out the packet pretty much had telepathic AF. I did nothing other than stick it in eye tracking. It dared me to try and unstick it. It just wouldn't let go. The Fuji on the other hand has two issues: 1. As expertly demonstrated here, even though the box says it's locked on the face/eye, when you review the shot it's actually focused somewhere/something totally different. 2. Sometimes halfway through tracking, and with no reason, it drops the face and the box moves to (try) and focus on something that is definitely not a face, eye, or anything vaguely similar! Sort it out Fuji. I way prefer your cameras to Sony, but your AF game definitely needs improving!

[@mjsvisualsnz]

I have had xh2s since release and it’s always been totally shit for photos. Images are always super soft from missing critical focus. I only use Fuji for video now as the original xh2s firmware seemed to be ok for video but now they are just expensive paper weights. Was contemplating a gfx100ii/xt5 combo for weddings but not now. Also under the same heat conditions my xt3s will record allgood but the xh2s will overheat.

[@thtbrian88]

I've felt the same way since I bought the XT5. I shoot a lot of weddings and couple sessions, and I realized that when objects move quickly, the result is a lot out of focus. I thought it was just a firmware issue, but after I updated it, it looks the same, no change I feel. I was surprised because the green box seemed to work fine on my camera's lcd. But the results after I checked on the computer were out of focus. Even when I took a picture where the object was not moving, it was still out of focus! Even though the green box looked in focus! After I watched this video, I was convinced to sell my XT5 as soon as possible.

[@asafoadjei1]

Thanks for speaking on our behalf......Fuji should stop making cameras and focus on their autofocus.

[@zenstoodi]

It looks like it’s not just simple fix, probably bad software and badly maintained so now it’s easier to write it from scratch than fix. Unfortunately business has to go on and doing this from scratch is very expensive and time consuming.

[@asafoadjei1]

@@zenstoodi When they fix it, it will benefit them more than us. I love Fujifilm because of their colours, and I do not have any intention of changing systems

[@zenstoodi]

@@asafoadjei1 sure but for now photography division was for Fuji more like “hobby” than big business (maybe except Instax). After X100vi success they could invest more but I am not sure they will.

[@luxdalet]

As a fujifilm (camera) fan, I really appreciate your patience and thoroughness in the tests. As you said, yes the price for these cameras and lenses shouldn't justify these AF results. As a hobby landscape and birding photographer, it is an issue for half the photos I take... And yes it unfortunately changes how I feel about the brand... Given it is just a hobby for me, I don't feel compelled to change systems (again, since I had switched from sony to fujifilm due to colors and manual controls).

[@ThierryGibralta]

Interesting. Recently in my tests, I also find that the camera has A LOT of issue to AF especially when you have flowers or leaves around the subject, which can sometime be problematic. For those kind of shots, I just disable the subject detection all together to work around... but yeah, they really need to improve this. Get some engineers from other companies and get your AF system at the same level, that should not be such a big deal Fuji...

[@Iamtongue]

Good point!

[@TedNghiem]

Reliable autofocus is one thing. But overall reliability? Fuji definitely needs to work on that.

[@Iamtongue]

agreed

[@wesleychapman9001]

Couldn't agree more with how frustrating this is. My iPhone photos look sharper more often because of how Fuji constantly just misses by a little - even with stationary subjects. Shooting with the XS-20 and the fuji 18-55mm f2.8-4.

[@JackieDElia]

Yes, I have an amazing hit rate with my iPhone!

[@brendon-t]

I just shot a Muay Thai tournament and had to spray and pray with AF Tennis mode and I had similar rate. Green box 100% bang on, but 50% on focus using the 16-55. Crazy.

[@Iamtongue]

Shit it’s not just me then!

[@brendon-t]

@@Iamtongue I was in release mode because of the action. I wonder if I had used Focus mode for a few of the fights if I would have seen more hit? Were you in release or focus for the test?

[@Iamtongue]

@@brendon-t no, it sucks as well. Just take your chances on release, focus priority just gives you less shots

[@jcar4522]

​​​@@Iamtongue for sure its not only you, as a fuji wedding videographer I go to weddings wondering how the camera is going to performance at that wedding, specially talking about AF... I ALWAYS wonder myself why tf i picked Fuji over sony... I need a reliable camera for a profesional work...Thats something Fuji should think about if they dont want people going to other companies...

[@brendon-t]

@@Iamtongue June firmware has a fix supposedly. That was fast for Fuji.

[@iursingh]

Absolutely spot on. I love Fuji but autofocus is just awful. This needs to change.

[@gdfswonder636]

Your credibility is skyrocketing, appropriately, due to your honest assessment of Fuji's AF. I'm a Fuji fanboy, and I'm not looking to jump ship, so I very much appreciate you using your platform to speak on our behalf. Btw, my X-T5 XF 150-600 AF seems to be worse after the most recent firmware (3.01), it was decent, but not great, on the previous firmware.

[@polygoncoco]

Ah this is good to know, so I won’t update

[@cy9nvs]

Glad this is finally getting some more attention. I bought the X-H2 early last year, and sold it after 3 months because the AF is nearly unusable if you want to capture any action. Fuji really needs to up their game, they're dead last by a mile in this regard. Never believe reviewers, always check forums for complaints, that's what I learned from this purchase. I'm very happy with the Z8 I got to replace my Fuji.

[@slacayo]

Thanks for making this video. Lots of work! I love my xt5 and been shooting this brand for 8 years and yes AF has always been an issue.

[@Iamtongue]

i just hope this new firmware coming out by the end of hte month is good... ahha

[@brycedelport]

Recently invested in the XT5 and have been super frustrated as I have been experiencing the exact same thing, the focus is all over the show, I have try to play around with the settings but the result is always the same. Really appreciate this video man as I am gonna show this clip to our local Fuji representative, to prove I am not going crazy.

[@Iamtongue]

@@brycedelport please do. Cuz there’s a lot of Fuji fan boys out there trying to discredit folks by saying it’s user error when it’s really not.. you should also check out my xt5 vs Sony a6700 review where the af fails against its competition.

[@xenoheartvisuals]

I have noticed a similiar problem with my XH2S. AF feels spotty where I get the green box on the head or eyes. Instead of them being in focus, I get something completely different. Even for a brief moment during filming, the focus will jump to the background instead of the subject. Its a valid criticism. I don't expect Fuji to have Sony's or Canon's AF but it should be expected to do better than a 50% hit rate. If not firmware updates, then their next processor needs to vastly improve upon AF.

[@franciscoscaramanga2342]

There is also a bug with all manual Voigtlander lenses. The EXIF data is wrong when you set it at the largest aperture. For example, it registers f22 instead of f1.2 ...

[@pwoot]

aiyoo... kena tunggu fw baru la boss

[@fuelediowa]

Did you turn the AF+MF off? That seems to make the biggest difference for me.

[@Iamtongue]

How so?

[@fuelediowa]

@@Iamtongue the consistency goes up. It is stupid and should not make a difference but it is noticable. When I upgraded my XT-5 firmware to the 3.01 it turned this back on and it was a noticable step back until I realized it and turned it back off. It is still not 100% and I completely agree with you that Fuji needs to focus on this. Pun intended. I have not done a dedicated test to pinpoint this but I will try. I will try and post a video if I can get the time to. As long as you promise to watch. Lol

[@Iamtongue]

@@fuelediowa ya I’ll watch. Just @ my user name in your description so I can get a notification about it.

[@simon359]

@@fuelediowa Yes, I also turned this off!

[@fuelediowa]

@@simon359 do you think this helps as well?

[@BS_Patrol]

Bro! I couldn’t take it anymore… sold my X-T5 and thought I’d try out the X-H2… did the update and the autofocus was still bullshit. Anyways, went and bought a Sony A7RV two days ago and it’s incredible. Even the A7IV was fantastic. I feel bad about jumping ship but my workflow is soooo much better.

[@Keilikeramen]

For me sony a7rV still slow compare to a9 but it better than fuji ofcouse

[@christiaanbergh5872]

Hi, Tongue. I turn Pre-AF on(as a rule) when using continuous so I can get better hit rates. Not sure if it will make a difference, but give it a go.

[@shy-guy5544]

I turn on Pre-AF with AF-S and find that I get more keepers in point and shoot scenarios.

[@christiaanbergh5872]

@@shy-guy5544 It works just as well on AF-S ,however it disables the Focus Zoom which I use a lot on AF-S

[@andriistupak7348]

It is not the point of the video

[@Dan_photo]

I’m happy with Fuji. I see how frustrating it can be but I shoot still or slow moving stuff. I’m very happy with what I have in the X-T5 and how it performs.

[@TomKredo]

I've got a H2s with the same problem. It looks like it's locked on the bird's eye, but it is not in focus.

[@thekingofhearts8687]

I shifted from a first gen Nikon Z6 to a sony a7iv and only then did I realize what a huge difference there was in terms of autofocus. It has completely changed the way I shoot. My attention is never towards whether the camera got the shot in focus but rather on the composition, light etc. I feel when Fuji is charging full frame prices for its cropped sensor bodies and still lacking in terms of autofocus and speed then there is a serious problem to be addressed.

[@Infamousjr719]

Never updated mine. Mine seems to be good so far.

[@FreakishNerd]

I don’t use the tracking often so maybe that’s why I don’t have these problems too often. I’m usually in AF-S/C using single point or zone. I think those work pretty well. I don’t wanna throw the whole AF under the bus, but it does need work. I don’t know the full specs of what the new generation processor is supposed to handle and can handle, but I do wish the updates came faster. Maybe they need to update the lens firmwares too when they’re rolling out new af algorithms.

[@malikkamagate7561]

Lol the way you spoke about Fuji today, I did not expect that from one of the biggest fuji supporters. But it is refreshing to hear this because it is annoying missing AF shots. The XH2s is a great quality camera but when shooting video and I miss shots I am tempted to buy a sony or lumix.

[@jcar4522]

We all should buy a Sony... Thats what happens when a brand does not work on real improvements... And main and basics things we all need..

[@haloboy456]

@@jcar4522 I hear y'all but remember Sony's got firmware problems too and they also deprecate features just like the best of them. This whole industry is trash

[@GrayGhostDog1]

... the dilemma with going to Sony or Lumix is that you may have to spend much more to get better rolling shutter performance and more fps in both mechanical and electronic shutter. On paper X-H2s should destroy anything near its price-point, but its AF performance is its Achilles' heel!!!

[@haloboy456]

@@GrayGhostDog1 preach. I'm a person that owns essentially a body in every system and I can tell you it's a frustrating prospect waiting for someone to come out with just that right camera. In fact, to be perfectly honest with you, I think a whole bunch of people put AF plus MF override. And actually the 1.0 and 2.0 software were actually really good on the xh2s, 3.0 was okay too, And apparently 5.0 was okay for some stuff as well. But yeah, it's just a frustrating prospect. I think with the point to touch functionality they're shoehorning in starting with some of the stuff at the gfx level, it set themselves back

[@GrayGhostDog1]

@@haloboy456 ... I agree. When Nikon released the Z8 it was the closest thing to the hybrid camera I would possibly consider, but I'm not a full-frame snob so I try to find the most feature-rich hybrid cameras for the money. IMHO, Sony's shortcomings gets glossed over most likely because of their AF performance... had both the A7SIII and A7IV and they, too, had several shortcomings. Hopefully, Fujifilm gets their AF performance up to the standards that it appears the majority of individuals out there require.

[@blubravery]

Truth of the matter firmware can only fix so much. Nikon learned this and created a whole new processor for the Z9, Z8 and Zf. Firmware got the gen 1 Zs to respectable autofocus, but not even close to the current gen AF. Fuji need to work on the hardware.

[@cyano3d]

I have heard that fuji processor is still a generation behind the competition

[@cosmiq1000]

hope not. I will not invest any longer into false promises. I had the X-T1 and X-E2, the X-T3 and X-e3 (still have the later but need a replacement because of the AF) and now the X-T5. Plus replaced most of the gen1 lenses with the newer versions. Because marketing and YTers told me so. I am done with more investment. They have to fix this on this chip.

[@apamacam4838]

I respectfully disagree with this. You can refer to Edvard's video comparing the AF between a 10 years old Sony a6000 against Fuji XH2s. Even thought a6000 wasn't perfect in every situation, it performed significantly better than the XH2s that has much newer and advanced processor. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWHYk2qmpN6EhqM With Fuji, it was never the hardware, it was always the AF algorithmn, or to be more precised, their coder.

[@blubravery]

@apamacam4838 this is where you are incorrect. If it was software, it would have been corrected. Nikon had a more recent processor and it still didn't compare. The processor sucked. Nikon went back to the drawing board and created a whole new processor and whoever the engineers were, there were better engineers wren they created the next processor. Fuji just has bad engineers.

[@az9az9az9]

At times the focus was like 5-10 cm behind. Can't firmware calculate the speed of subject and compensate for the delay it needs to capture frame? How do you even match the lens linear motor jerky steps with predicted delay distance of subject? Maybe it could measure the subject height in pixels and how it increases as she walks closer.

[@MOTOJendays]

Man I feel you on this. As someone who's spent the $2k for the H2S and the $1.5k or so for the 150-600 for wildlife. I'm extremely disappointed that even though you get such good tracking with the box. The actual hit rate is abysmal and misses way too much. And this isn't talking birds in flight. A bird sitting in a branch should be easy to focus onto lol. EDIT: Also idk what it is. But firmware 6.00 somehow made things even worse. I wish I could revert back.

[@nomadictimbo9185]

I've avoided the tracking mode since getting into Fuji because of all of that's been said on KZbin. Therefore, I've never really tested it haha, but I can understand why it would be annoying, particularly if you need the eye tracking to work reliably. I shoot mostly sports/action photography and videography since getting the X-T4 a year ago. I always use single point or zone in continuous mode for photos and the hit rate has been great. For video, i use multi mostly because for surfing using F8 or higher means the depth of field ensures i never really have a problem with the autofocus. If the subjects are closer it's probably 50/50 between area and multi, depending on the aperture and light and it's been fine for me. Overall, I think you're good if you use single point or zone with the relevant AF mode (at least with my camera anyway). It would be nice if Fuji's tracking could be reliable (especially if the other brands are continuing to improve fast), but when it comes to sports photography, most KZbin videos I've seen still recommend using the single point continuous anyway, even with a mirrorless Canon for example. Therefore, for my needs I'm really happy with it.

[@davidgaritta9195]

This was one of the issues why I switched from Fuji to the Nikon ZF. Yes I'm losing compactness and the aperture ring on the lenses but the Nikon's AF and Low Light performances perform way over Fuji. I still love Fuji and still hold an X100V but trying to get that consistent AF was not doing it with Fuji. It's disheartening because Fuji is known to have AF issues and still haven't improved to some degree.

[@MrRafaelgp]

I've got a crazy setting for focusing on people on my X-H2 that works for me. 1. I always leave Subject Detection OFF, as if it didn't exist! 2. Focus mode: AF-C 3. Sutter AF > AF-C: OFF -> This disables focus when the shutter button is pressed halfway. 4. AF Mode: Spot, the biggest If the subject doesn't move much, or moves parallel to the camera, I use BBF (Back Button Focus) by pressing once with my thumb, releasing, recompose and shoot. It's like shooting AF-S in AF-C mode. But here is the trick. If the subject suddenly moves closer or further away from the camera, I aim the focus point at the person's face and keep the 'AF ON' button pressed for continuous AF while taking a shots. If the subject is moving very quickly, I do the same as above but change the AF mode to Zone (the big square). If a person is zigzagging towards the camera, which doesn't happen very often, I move the camera to keep the person in the centre of the frame! Often I can anticipate where in the frame I want to place the person, so I move the focus point to that area using the D-pad. With this setup, if a photo is out of focus, it's my fault, not the camera's.

[@gordonlewis7570]

Thank you for this tip! I've tried it with my XT-5 and it works a lot more reliably and accurately than Fuji's so-called AI-assisted AF. Not everyone wants to switch camera systems or can afford to do so. At least this approach offers a way to get sharp images from what is otherwise high-quality equipment.

[@SummersSnaps]

Thank you (and Hilary) for your efforts, they are much appreciated by the community. These tests are some of the first tests I do (with my kids) when I try new cameras or lenses. I can confirm that with previous f/w iterations and favourable glass, an average hit rate of around 70-75% for z axis targets on the XH2S. Your findings here cement further evidence that the most recent f/w release from Fujifilm has SIGNIFICANTLY broken the AF reliability under a plethora of situations (regardless of lens used). XH2S at 6.00, XH2 at 4.0 and XT5 at 3.01 are all suffering consistent reported AF failings. It's one thing for Fuji to balls up momentarily, it's quite another to stay quiet on the matter, allow more users to 'upgrade' their cameras and further nuke their tech. FUJIFILM, PULL DOWN THIS F/W, PATCH IMMEDIATELY. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

[@jasonblack2460]

Fuji cameras are fun but with the price tags rising on their basic offerings you would expect better than 50% hit rate.

[@Iamtongue]

I agree!

[@mrb888]

All shot with f1.4 though?!

[@Iamtongue]

Yes because I’ve seen other ppl do their af tests at f5.6-8 and said that it’s good 🤷 let’s make the LM and the processor work a little…

[@mrb888]

@@Iamtongue You could've at least stopped down to f2 or f2.8 to compare. 1.4 is crazy thin, even for a slow walk.

[@Iamtongue]

@@mrb888 I could’ve but nah. Let’s rock out with our 🐓 out am I right?

[@Argolich]

Has it ever been addressed why there are 6 different settings that the end user has to tinker with instead of just one auto focus that incorporates all the different scenarios into it? I don't shoot Sony or Canon so maybe you know....Do they also have all these different auto focus custom settings or does the auto focus just....auto detect and work?

[@DmitryBrodsky007]

I’ve always used Zone with face detection since as far as xt2. Still use it on xt5. Can you retest using largest zone with face/eye detect and continuous af. Only use zone. Don’t use the entire sensor area

[@ishysamaniego5880]

How is this working for you? Feels like its working for me.

[@DmitryBrodsky007]

@@ishysamaniego5880 Zone is the only way yo go on a Fuji if you want continouis autofocus that works.

[@jl9752]

Very interesting video, thanks for all the tests and sharing. I’ve been a Fuji user since X-T2, and currently use X-T5 as my go to photography gear. Mostly like to do street and environmental portraits for hobby, but also use it for taking shots of my toddlers. I really love the tactile aspect of Fuji cameras, it feels much more engaging than when I was using other brands back in the days. I personally haven’t had much issue with hit rates (even with my kids running around), but I’m also not doing that long of a continuous auto focus shots. I just go for the eye detect with short bursts if they are stationary, or AFC with lower Aperture (say F2.8 vs. 1.4) with face detect if they are running around. But yes, I don’t rely on it if AF accuracy and dependability is a priority, which is what I desire when shooting video. For that, I’ve been using the Sony ZV-E1, and it’s been a great addition. I also use Leica M6 and MP for shooting film when I really want to slow things down and also long for that genuine film look. I think at the end of the day, it’s a function of what your use case is, and finding the most suitable gear for it.

[@alf.quijano7582]

This video is gold! Appreciate you collecting data and bringing it public. I have an X-T5 and X-H2s and can attest to the poor auto focus. I still enjoy my cameras will keep them. Thanks for keeping it real and trying to drive change.

[@rkfan1012]

Speaking facts! Hopeful that more youtubers who actively use Fuji cameras to call them out on this. Hey Fuji, how about you take those massive profits you're getting from the X100 cameras and go poach some engineers from Sony or Canon or hell even Nikon.

[@zetknight]

Fuji had better fix this by 6th gen. Or get left completely in the dust. My x100vi might be my last body from fuji (also own x-h2)

[@73smoo]

Wanted to buy the X-H2s. But now i am leaving the system, going for the Canon R8...

[@breakfastforyousoul]

Great Job! I appreciate your honesty instead of just going with the flow and pointing out what Fuji can do better! Forget brand loyalty, If they charge top dollar they should at least compete with the others!

[@Gemuesesuppen]

I do agree, thanks for mentioning. I want to add another big problem, the EVF coating of some of the XT5, XH2 and XH2s. Have you already heard about that? Seems it affects the cameras from beginning/summer last year.

[@Iamtongue]

Really..? What seems to be the problem with it?

[@ChrisBebout-zg3vg]

The new firmware did this to my XH2. Regular AF is still fine, but when you're using any kind of tracking like eye, face, animal etc. It says it's in focus but you see later that it wasn't.

[@Iamtongue]

cannot be trusted!

[@vx6589]

I don't want to give any advice because i can't. I don't have much experience 😄But what about the performance "boost" mode in all the fujifilm cameras menu, which is set to "normal" by default? Does it make any difference in performance? I've always wondered what this setting is doing. People are not talking about it in camera reviews 🤔

[@tonyfoulkes9289]

How does it compare to doing it manual like in past. Yes auto great but sometimes old ways are better ,yes slower as well.

[@Iamtongue]

If you're gonna manual focus, i would just tell you to go buy a second hand fujifilm camera, and not get the xt5 and waste your money.

[@backdrifter49]

I absolutely love so much about Fuji cameras: their glass, the tactile feel, the colors including the log video, but I don't want to be a beta tester for their terrible firmware, and their video image stabilization is the worst in the industry and so is their autofocus. Still subjects? Great, no problems. But it's not feasible to use for sports, wildlife, pets, even pictures of your kids. And vlogging or FPV video? Need a gimbal. I very sadly left them for Lumix/Canon and was re-evaluating now a few years later, but nothing has changed. Now Lumix has Real Time LUTs, Canon has custom picture profiles that are basically LUTs, and even Sony has Picture Profiles which are much less user-friendly and a bit less flexible, but all three can get a certain "Film Sim" look SOOC. I actually have a custom Classic Neg look for JPEGs on both my Canon and Lumix cameras and it's awesome when I just want something nice and easy SOOC. And I get great image stabilization, autofocus, modern user interface, etc.

[@Ponskippa]

The false confirmation is definitely a thing. The person could be standing and the lil green box confirms focus and when I go back to look at the photo on my laptop it is completely out of focus

[@Imhotep397]

It seems gets into balancing internal camera resources which they can only fix. I almost think it’s something like the resources/footprint of running that great looking back display is leeching resources from the AF. Probably something where Fujifilm would have to decide to take a different PR hit drop the resolution the back display or elsewhere to allocate adequate resources/memory to the AF. It just seems like the cameras that are good at AF have less than stellar back displays, but it’s just a guess on my part.

[@perryvalton3296]

I personally refuse to buy any Fuji cameras until I see drastic improvement of auto focus, I am holding on to XT3 still. Sony and Panasonic are technology companies Fuji is cameras and health care manufacturers.

[@johnnyr-518]

I have the 33mm on the X-s20 and I haven't updated it yet. AF-C is terrible as you've shown, good thing it isn't my use case. Another thing I found baffling is my sigma 18-50mm has a better hit rate than my 33mm LM when using single autofocus. Maybe something is wrong with the 33mm lens on top of Fuji's already bad autofocus.

[@testyep5031]

How do you find the sigma 18 50 and xs20 combo, is the AF good or still miss alot

[@johnnyr-518]

@@testyep5031 misses a lot on AF-C. Very satisfied with single autofocus. It lives on my camera if I know I'm not shooting at night. Otherwise, I use the 33mm.

[@patrickhansen4942]

My biggest gripe with fujifilm, is the IBIS, AF, and the exposure shift when you zoom. If they could fix that, it would have been ALMOST the perfect camera🤗

[@michaellundphotography]

I switched to a Panasonic g9 from an XT5 and their old DFD autofocus that everyone complains about is SOOOOO much better than Fuji phase detect AF. Nobody loves a little contrast wobble but at least it’s reliable and accurate.

[@hectorcarmona9583]

It almost feels looks like the camera isnt communicating with what ever part does the focusing. Cause it looks like it knows what it should be focusing on but it doesnt quite do it.

[@Iamtongue]

This could be likely me coding and software fixes. Which Fuji does not want to spend resources on for some reason

[@hectorcarmona9583]

@Iamtongue now that just ain't Christian. I do wedding photography and when I started I was taught to shoot a hybrid form of af and mf and honestly for something like events it works way better. When dealing with large groups of people the camera doesn't know what you actually want in focus in your composition. My focus point might be in the center when I want a person on the right of the frame. Changing the focus point wastes time and moving the camera so that the person aligns with the focus point changes your composition. But doing a light turn of the focus ring on the lens gets you the shot. Full auto isn't always the right tool for the job but it does seem like fuji auto needs to step it's game up.

[@hansbarbarossa4613]

The Fujifilm x-h2s have a big problems with autofocus after fw 6.00

[@jcar4522]

U mean Blurryfilm?

[@oc2phish07]

Great video. And now, on 4th October 2024, even after the awful Ver 4.00, we are STILL waiting for a working AF for stills. An announcement today from Fuji says they hope to release an update in November but at first it was only for the X-H2, X-H2S and GFX and ONLY for video. Then a couple of hours later that pinned an additional message - "Dear Customers, Thank you for your feedback and comments on our AF system performance. We've been working on X-T5, X-S20 and other models as well, to release the firmware within this year for improved user experience. We will communicate the details as soon as we have more information. We appreciate your understanding." I guess we will have to wait to see if they have it sorted yet for the full range and for stills as well as video.

[@Iamtongue]

Im tired of waiting for Fuji to get their ass in order to

[@simonefaluschi3940]

My feeling with autofocus does not change after your video. I bought the x-t5 knowing that the af is not at same level of other main brands, because it is more important for me the ergonomics, size, and lower cost of lenses w.r.t. the af in sport photography. But yes, an improvement would be very appreciated, given that according to the results of your tests (ear often in focus) the prediction of focus point seems to be the real problem.

[@krio.]

To be honest, it's the false positives/false confirmations that infuriate me. I can live with slow AF as long as green AF indicator/box really means = focus nailed.

[@gaza4543]

@@krio. exactly just dont lie to the user.

[@9Mtikcus]

Please tell me did you test with Release/Focus Priority set to Focus or Release? I can not comment on your experience, but I have mine set to focus, and as per Fuji - Focus is prioritized over shutter response. Pictures can be only taken when the camera is in focus. I recreated the test with an X-T5 and got a hit rate higher than you around 80% , however this is not a shooting mode I use . I use AFC (but only when a subject is moving) but in single shot never CH or CL as I don't need 30 photos of the same thing (and I'm never in a position where I can not just retake it). But yes Fuji have work to do to catch up with everyone else, but I am not swapping the fuji colours for 120FPS all in focus but clinical looking photos. Trick is to know the limitations of your tools, and if AFC and CH shooting is important, the best fuji has is the X-H2s but you then lose resolution... What I would say that Fuji is much better at tracking people when the eye is clear and wide open (not great with glasses on if eyes are squinting e.g. sun in them) I quite often put the focus point on the eye if the camera is having an issue. You are right though, it is always when the subject is small the camera struggles hit rate is near 100% when the subject is more in frame (closer to camera)

[@Iamtongue]

Yes I have and it's not any better...

[@9Mtikcus]

@@Iamtongue Do you have an X-H2s to test? also i edited my post :) I'd be interested to see if it is the slow readout of the sensor in the X-T5 or if the autofocus algorithms in the X Processor 5... If the X-H2s nails autofocus it is the slow sensor

[@Iamtongue]

@@9Mtikcus I don’t have an XH2s anymore.

[@Howie1974]

Wow, this made me feel better. The green box is doing the right thing and the hype was they’d finally fixed the AF and I was still getting weird shots - I am not the most experienced photographer, I thought it was me doing something wrong!

[@jcar4522]

Nah, its not you, its Blurryfilm

[@WidePhotographs]

I am glad i came across this video. I shoot full frame but hate having to use large lenses so I was going to switch to APSC with Fuji XT5 but might lean towards a Sony 6700.

[@Iamtongue]

I have a Sony a6700 for review and I honestly love how reliable it is. Except the Sony colors are horrible still lol

[@Ngojohnny_dp]

Ugh, I heard the XH2s has a severe issue as well, they're on version 6.00!?! I believe? how the hell is that possible. Fuji and Panasonic seem to be the king of false "correct" hit-displayed rates rather than Sony being nailed on the eye when it says it had the eye.

[@Iamtongue]

Panaosnic seem to hit better htan Fuji from what I use to rememebr

[@Ngojohnny_dp]

@@Iamtongue oh for sure I agree, Panasonic trumps Fuji now for sure

[@cyb]

Yup really big issue. Watch cine dailies video, hes using an xh2s and it keeps getting out of focus even at high contrast scenarios(he even hate it on a few sec)

[@rudermanphoto]

I got substantially more false positive green boxes on my XH2s and XT5 then on my S5ii, which honestly has pretty close to flawless AF performance on the latest firmware with Lumix lenses.

[@Ngojohnny_dp]

@@rudermanphoto yah… I felt that, I would have such a dope photoshoot then go check photos and see majority of them were false positives.

[@Sedifet]

Did you have the boost mode enabled? May seem obvious, but I had a similar problem and was sure I had it enabled, but then realised weeks later I did not. My hit rate went up after I enabled it

[@Iamtongue]

No i didnt have boost enabled because it will drain my battery. And this just brings another issue of the Fujifilm system is there are too many reports out there that "may" help with your autofocusing. When they should just make everything work all at once, instead of having all these excuses, like settings, lenses, and boost mode etc. It doesnt make sense.

[@benoittissier58]

This is very much what I got from the A7iv shooting sports in spot tracking : great tracking in the EVF and random focusing. The solution was to use zone (about half of the sensor) or fixed spot (best). You may have similar options.

[@cosmiq1000]

I have tried all settings without any satisfactory improvement. But thanks for the tip

[@jrperezphotography]

Thank you for you video. Question do you feel the XH2 and XH2s perform the same?

[@Iamtongue]

In theory the XH2s should perform better because of the stacked sensor… but I don’t trust Fuji at the moment

[@ramco91]

Allow me to help, it’s worse…

[@louischow0201]

I have same problem, the focus sometimes out of focus when i shoot event job

[@nambotlikes]

Hi @Iamtongue Thanks for the video. Do you also have these problems with the X-H2s? Is it better?

[@juanturi]

Correct me if I'm wrong, since I've only been in photography for a short time, but don't you think that the AF fails you a lot due to that extreme 1.4 aperture? Set the aperture to 5.6 or 8 and you will see that it focuses 90% of the photographs.

[@Elazarko]

Good point

[@EdwardMartinsPhotography]

Technology trumps skill, quality, and knowledge, that's "progress."

[@RodrigoGodinez]

I updated Firmware Version 4.0...😭 Fujifilm x-T5 and it gives problems with the Sigma 18-50mm lens, screen problems, suddenly being at 2.8 it closes the focal length, it only happens with this lens

[@Iamtongue]

Ughhh

[@Hahnck750i]

It is said that x-H2s with the stack sensor has better AF tracking. But i think i am going to go xt5 anyways to upgrade from my xt4 because can't afford to go cf express for dual card setup. I'll just have to live with the "usable" AF tracking performance

[@jcar4522]

Do you mean dual cf express? I have the h2s and It has only one cf express card; the other one is an sd card

[@Hahnck750i]

@jcar4522 no. Single cf express and one sd. I shot raw + jpeg both to different card because if i do it on single card and connect to iphone. The photo app is a bit dumb and makes it difficult to just import jpeg as it always want to take raw. And i don't always want to import raw to iphone for quick upload. I now write raw to my uhs2 card and jpeg to uhs1 card on my xt-4. Cf express card now is too expensive for me even for single card

[@AndreiDimaReviews]

Nice video bro! I am tired of waiting for Fuji to improve the AF. I've been waiting for an improvement since the X-T4. They need to do something about this fast. The video AF has gotten even worse after the recent update.

[@Iamtongue]

Thanks bro, this is awful how am I suppose to film my videos now 😅

[@AndreiDimaReviews]

@@Iamtongue I know, I have lenses in for review and I cannot review them because of this broken firmware. I hope they fix it soon!

[@nie3297]

How’s the Af in the 4.0 update? I was thinking of getting the XT5 but the af is holding me back

[@Iamtongue]

tracking sucks. Single point is okay. So it depends on what type of shooter you are.

[@mirkoputignano7734]

I have noticed problems with my xh2s after the firmware 6.0. I really think to sell it.

[@jcar4522]

Im just doing that, 6.01 is out and doesnt fix anything. Time to move and left Blurryfilm behind for me

[@b-art.]

Completely agreed with you. From all Fuji defenders you will hear that you have to change settings, you are using wrong lens, you have to switch this and change that... NO, we all have to admit that their AF is completely messed up... I have 3 FUJI camera bodies but I am not using them professionally fortunately. X-S10 AF is a shit, xt3 is ok for photos, X-s20 better but we have 2024 and those new cameras should have no issues, especially after last upades... but I am scared to update my X-S20 because of last fuji update which cempletely destroyed AFC and tracking in X-h2s and X-H2. It is just crazy because they did not even say anything about fixing it on last summit. It seems like fuji doesn't even care about camera users who already bought their products... just releasing tons of new cameras with shitty AF... for what? For who? Fuji should stop releasing and start fixing...

[@shy-guy5544]

Recently with my XT3 and 33mm f1.4 I noticed that it missed when the main subject was in the shade.

[@Nypher91]

I am so happy witz my Nikon Zf

[@Iamtongue]

Lucky 🥲🤣

[@Sleepyboiwonder]

Hypothetically , when would a possible new processor come out to address autofocus?

[@danielmcka]

Thanks for this. Using an older xe3 and about 1/2 the shots are out of focus. Thought it was me, but likewise the green box says it’s focussing on the face but then it’s the ears or the shirt. Was gonna update to the xh2 but I think I might look elsewhere.

[@cheezenation9182]

Ive done photo shoots with my xt-5 and I could say that I was shocked to find out the auto focusing wasn’t as great as I thought, I blamed it on the lens wich is a 35mm f2 but I still managed to get the shots that I needed and I just had to take more pictures

[@jullianbashir18]

this is so true ... i finally got tired of this as well. i came to the conclusion around 3->4 /10 times the auto focus would fail. I thought it was just me, or the product was faulty ... but now after seeing your video i am convinced. I am a X-E3 + 18-55 XF 2.8-4 lens

[@Iamtongue]

Ya it’s not you man.. it’s fujifilm

[@nicocastillo2099]

I work with Fujifilm for several projects but I have to agree, their AF still has a long way to go in terms of catching up. I wonder what’s stopping them from doing this. I’m pretty sure they have the resources. I wonder.

[@hypnotoads]

I’m not a video shooter so was happy with Fuji’s autofocus five years ago, and I’m still happy with it today.

[@cheesedrinkal]

then buy old cameras, whats the point on justifying old technology?

[@matberezinski]

yeah ehh.. this year I switched from Sony to Fujifilm x-t5 with 23 and 33 1.4 WR and I feel your pain. At this point I will keep Fuji bcs I like Fuji pictures (when they are sharp) but not sure how long I will stand this AF 😂😅

[@Iamtongue]

Don't get me wrong, I can still get by and manage, but we are paying alot of money for this. I just want it to perform better. But when the picture hits it hits!

[@matberezinski]

@@Iamtongue yes, exactly, I mean the same! thanks for the video and the comment 😌

[@destinybond]

We needed this video. That lying sonavabitch green box on my xh2 is the main reason I sold it. Moved back to canon after a 2 year marriage with Fuji. The canon r6ii is alien technology compares to the fuji autofocus system. One thing I like about fuji is that their camera and lens value does not go down much in value and selling is so easy. My xt3 with the 33 1.4 is actually a lot better and more accurate than the xh2. Slower af tracking, yes but the the accuracy is actually there and i am talking about af-c. Those fuji fanboys that say “just use af-s”, i might as well use my old 5dii. I paid a premium, i expect a premium experience. Fuji colors are freakin great but damn full frame cameras even at way lower megapixels resolve a lot better. Fuji with their crop is already at a disadvantage, add they crap af, oh boy. Those x100vi users have better photos of their camera than actual photos of their shots.

[@cloud-bytes]

Curious what the Nikon ZF is in same test. I have used Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Olympus (film) Fuji is way behind all 3 in my opinion on autofocus. Do love using the X-T5 it’s usability. Like you said I shoot street mostly and zone focus so I never notice the issue. When I did an event with AF-C hit rate was garbage.

[@fredschmidt8609]

How does the X-H2 compare to the X-T5 on the same tests? Any thoughts?

[@shanenebria5822]

They're just the same..

[@Iamtongue]

Should be the same since XT5 has the same processor and sensor in a smaller body. THE XH2 buffer is better though, so you have a higher chance of getting more in focus because it lasts longer.

[@divyangkundaliya3584]

I can relate. I was using Sigma 56mm, and I got nearly 50% of shots out of focus on a portrait session. then I detached auto focus and shot on Kamlan 50mm 1.1, mitakon 35mm 0.95, and recently Sirui 50mm anamorphic on MF mode and I'm more satisfied now, if its out of focus then I'm the one to blame. this is improving my skill as well

[@tedodeh2047]

Hi Tongue! Thanks for making this video. I just had a fashion editorial shoot yesterday and I noticed that my walking shots were mostly out of focus. I couldn't understand why? You're right all last night I was considering switching brands. Hope they fix this issue. Apparently you can not rollback firmware updates. Hopefully Fuji will address this issue quickly. Thanks so much!

[@LLab71]

Thought I might switch from the X-E4 to the XS20 for the better battery and AF. Do prefer the X-E4 form factor and not so sure now that the AF is worlds apart between the two.

[@lionheart4424]

Funny how edvard released a video comparing the AF of the X-H2s (the fastest Fuji) against the Sony a6000 and it is sad to see. Fuji really needs to get their AF improved because now Nikon is going for the retro body and Lumix after the films sims/recipes with their LUTs.

[@Iamtongue]

It’s wild that a 7 year old Sony a6000 has better af than the XH2s 😵‍💫

[@TCinSoCal]

Barely over 50% at best. I’ve literally given up trusting Fuji to nail a wet eyeball shot. I now use A7Cii and X100V for casual ..when I’m ok missing eye AF. A7Cii & 35mm 1.4 GM is bonkers for shots where I HAVE to have legit AF. Thank you for showing this. It’s truth.

[@Iamtongue]

My a7cii with my 50 f1.4 gm doesn’t miss! Hardly ever!!

[@TCinSoCal]

@@Iamtongue it’s money.

[@paolo.oribiana]

Well made video tongue. Love how systematic and objective the video is

[@Iamtongue]

Thanks for watching ☺️

[@paolo.oribiana]

@@Iamtongue yw! I love Fuji color science and the film sims but really having unreliable auto focus - most especially for video is very concerning for me at the price point - makes me regret not getting the a7iv or s5iix instead. Im down if Fuji completely revamps their af algorithm. Or even get someone from Sony R&D to at least bring their AF at par with Sony’s. 🙏🏻🙈📸

[@Zlaja192]

Thanks for calling out Fuji! I think you should do another video showcasing the most trivial AF-S focusing fails on stationary objects using a wide angle lens in contrasty light. The focus will jump around by repeatedly pressing the focus button, showing that getting critical focus is a game of luck in that case. To showcase that you can turn the distance scale on in the EVF. This is one of the main issues, that still too few people have noticed, but is definitely mentioned here and there in forums. For simple everyday shots this is the main cause for soft images. So: AF-S, stationary object/scene, sunlight, focus box size does not matter. The wider the lens the worse it seems. I haven’t tested anything longer than 35mm… check it out yourself🙏🏼

[@Thomas-mn5ih]

Is there the same issue with the x-t50?

[@Iamtongue]

I hope not.

[@MrPlayK]

Totally agree with your findings and will not buy another Fuji camera until this is resolved. I am sick of it.

[@parmanduke]

I don’t use my X H2s or X T5 with that kind of subject tracking like you did so af is fine for me. I shot a wedding with the X H2s and I got so many great shots out of thousands using the 50 140 and 56mm wr 1.2. My af hit rate was 95% plus. But yes that sucks as far as the results you got. Canon and Sony definitely are much better in that regard.

[@fvsch]

Note that the X-H2S has better AF performance than all the 40MP cameras of the same generation, because of the faster sensor readout speed. The X-H2S calculates the focus more times per second than the X-H2 (and probably the X-T5).

[@parmanduke]

@@fvsch I have the X T5 and x100vi. Af definitely not as good as X H2s for sure. But both are great af when not using caf tracking. For portraits and street photography they’re fine. I’ve just accepted the fact that I’m not using these cameras when good caf is a necessity. I’ve had the Sony A7iv and R6. Great cameras but I feel like I’m using a hammer vs the precision forged instrument feel of the Fuji’s.

[@-ksw-]

So... am I going to get better AF-C performance if I stayed with the previous firmware?

[@Iamtongue]

according to other ppl previous firmware is better

[@-ksw-]

@@Iamtongue the bug is such a low level mistake. Makes me wonder if the research staff in Fujifilm had actually tested the firmware before launch. This kind of serious compromise in performance shouldn't be hard to spot.

[@Iamtongue]

@@-ksw- I agree. Someone shit the bed at Fuji headquarters, their Quality assurance department should be fired lol

[@-ksw-]

@@Iamtongue let's hope Fujifilm would fix this bug when they launch the summer update with reala ace.

[@hobonickel840]

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