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[@schnoodlevideo]

honoured to have been editing Jon Makes Beats for 2+ years now! even more honoured to be able to entertain + interact with such an awesome + evolving audience... from the bottom of my heart, thank you so much for watching :)

[@groovining]

I love your editing dude. It's super high level, engaging & original. It's hard work to chop up a long livestream like that into a 10 min video that captures the audience & you nail it everytime. Jon is a legend makes sick beats no doubt but we can also all see the part you play in the success of this channel 😊❤

[@AgentCharles522002]

you are a top g

[@jonmakesbeats]

Thanks for being on the journey with me, bud

[@SilkKuts]

@@schnoodlevideo Great work man!! Quality editing makes all the difference

[@vinylarchaeologist]

@schnoodlevideo "Honoured" - you're British? or perhaps Canadian? Anyway, love your work.

[@soulslomusic]

sitting here scared thinking Jons speaking to me specifically 💀

[@jonmakesbeats]

I AM

[@GoodAtHeart]

Dude he is

[@sueno2330]

IM TRYING JON I AM

[@kunaikai]

No he’s speaking to me!

[@sueno2330]

@@kunaikai nuh uh!

[@EZBOT_]

Jon Makes A Good Point. We need more music on KZbin, we need more musicians sharing technique, it's not a competition it's a community.

[@jonmakesbeats]

@@EZBOT_ ey this guy knows what I’m talking about

[@blaix_syx]

I’ve been neglecting my KZbin for to long. It needs love. Thanks for the inspiration!

[@grindedfranz]

We are raised with capitalisic values. Sadly those values are exactly the issues we experience in our society. It will stay like that as long as money devides us. This society works against each other instead together.

[@Bittamin]

I be trying my best I swear 😂 I even make videos to go with them to make it fun to watch!!

[@sonicairmusic]

Money is not the focus of our creativity, it’s the spark and excitement of being the creator of something that’s totally unique to ‘us’ as musicians that drives us to continue doing what we are most passionate about. Let’s face it, do you want to have a normal stressful 60hours a week Coorporate job with no satisfaction apart from the posh car that you drive to the toxic office, to pay for your car and your huge empty house that you don’t have time to enjoy, because your always at work. Then when you are in your huge posh house, you’re not free of the demands of your 24/7 corporate colleagues and constant pressure to perform and get the ever increasing sales targets. You have ONE life, don’t waste it not living it! Don’t exist, be happy and humble in a happy creative fun life!!!!

[@elcrow5349]

I gave up on creating music and showing it publicly. I went back to hiding in my room and making stuff I didn't know what to do with. I don't really like uploading anymore and now I'm struggling to even create anything at all. However, I suppose giving it another shot wouldn't hurt. I have nothing left to lose especially now. Thank you for the encouragement, your music still helps me a lot.

[@moolder]

I guess creative impetus comes and goes. These past weeks I hardly touched my instruments. Not mad about it. Knowing I can publish it helps me motivate myself sometimes but if I don’t have the power right now well that’s fine too…

[@jonmakesbeats]

Do what inspires uou

[@kirkyoung4147]

I feel this. I quit uploading regularly back in 2018. Social media is overwhelming and the lines between content and art are getting increasingly blurred. It feels hopeless when you don't want to interact with social media in the way other people do.

[@Baysidebangerz]

I felt this ..I usually post on ig ..I can pour my heart and soul out and get less views than a picture of a cat

[@Nyitemare]

Close enough, welcome back elcrow5349

[@djbash914]

"It may not feel like it at the moment, but we all stand to benefit from you breaking your personal ground" I'm happy I watched until the end because I needed to hear that

[@jonmakesbeats]

Glad it reached you

[@BananaSplitBrain]

I like you as a human. It felt like you directly spoke to a problem on my mind, no one else knows it exists. For some reason the algorithm knew that.

[@jonmakesbeats]

The algorithm knows all

[@Zip_Zap2474]

@@jonmakesbeats the problem with the youtube algorithm is that it will only push out what most people click and watch, like film or show reviews, video game vids, even some silly video about like jerma could get a lot of attention since hes popular, but music stuff dosnt get any attention since its not a popular subject (unless you are an already successful musician), ive made my own project where i have albums connected with a story that as im writing im still expanding, im new to music and art and the project is for fun and i like seeing how ive improved greatly, but yeah its gotten nowhere on yt since personal music connected albums isnt exactly a popular thing for the algorithm, so it goes nowhere however i have a weird glitch in my personall recommendations where i have a bunch of very low viewed vids, and some have been their own personal music stuff, the ones ive seen have gotten more views and interaction with comments than me, but i really wish youtube pushed out nobidies doing stuff for fun, it would be nie to see this flawed site have charm with what it promotes

[@NoahBility]

This is a just a wholesome ass video A call to action that feels more like a kind nudge rather than a violent shove

[@jonmakesbeats]

I’m doing my best to encourage

[@NoahBility]

@@jonmakesbeats and it's felt. thank you, man 🙏🏾

[@Kveg-y6k]

I read a book a while ago on Buddhism (cant remember exactly what its called) but my main take away was the saying "Follow up 1 hour of study with 7 hours of practice." That hit hard because I am one who just takes in all of the talking and all of the theory and technique without trying to explore or put anything into practice myself which I would like to improve on. Thanks for putting so much out there.

[@jonmakesbeats]

Putting into practice is everything

[@skeire1]

this is very true

[@ajgumpper]

This is true but when I make beats I'll go at it for 5-8 hours and I start to forget what day it is, and then I realize, oh, it's the next day already. I mix the whole thing and export it, and it turns out to be mediocre, at best, in the morning. How often should I take breaks while producing? 'Cause my ears go absolutely numb man 😭😅 I just don't wanna stop.

[@JuanChale563]

I've always been drawn to Andrew Huang because he's an amalgamation of every kind of music youtube channel ive seen. He talks gear, he talks VSTs, he shows creation processes for certain tracks, he gives advice on how to approach this online music industry, he has weird tracks made with weird items, and he collaborates with many other music channels big or small. It's probably why he's one of the bigger music content creators I've seen on this platform. I'm still waiting on a Jon x Andrew video...

[@jonmakesbeats]

Love Andrew

[@joelharvey]

Huang is an absolute beast. Outrageous work ethic.

[@EdTalenti]

Loved the message in this video! As a fellow music content creator, I constantly struggle with finding creative ways to present and showcase the process of making music in video form. Making music is already a "story" in and of itself but I find it often needs to have additional elements in order to be engaging enough to watch and be successful on KZbin. When you think about where music storytelling was on KZbin just five years ago, it’s wild how much it has evolved. Like you said, I’m super excited to see where we’ll be in another five or ten years!

[@jonmakesbeats]

Agreed. Keep pushing the envelope!

[@PlantiProductions]

@@EdTalenti Cheers

[@PlantiProductions]

@@EdTalenti Cheers

[@Sundji]

It's crazy how right you are about "telling" getting more traction than showing. I started out watching Busyworksbeats because I loved his 1 hour + videos that actually showed his failed ideas and the problem solving that goes into making videos. Now, all my suggestions are 15 minute videos that only show the "right" thing to do. The thing is, I often try to follow the "right" path and hit a roadblock when that oath conflicts with my abilities or style. It's so much more valuable to me to see the mistakes and actually understand what inspired various choices and that's exactly what I want my youtube channel to be. I've been making beats seriously since 2017 and I've gone through so much imposter syndrome and doubt because my beats don't sound mainstream. Now, when I listen to those old beats I used to cringe at, I'm amazed at how abstract and inspired some of them are and I'm clamboring to figure out how to recapture that essence. Life has been rough these past couple of years and I keep on putting music on the back burner but, I'm continuously getting signs that my contributions could provide some value to folks. I don't have to make beats that I think are perfect. I just have to be open and honest about the process of learning. I just have to share my unique perspective and approach to inspire others who are like me. I used to think I had to get my beats to a certain level before sharing but I'm realizing now that there's value in imperfection and there's power in vulnerability. In that spirit, here's my SoundCloud with some of the beats I made in college. I'll upload some more beats I've been too self-conscious to share and I hope I find my tribe of people who have similar taste: soundcloud.com/sundjata-suma Let me know if there are any beats you'd like to see a breakdown for and that'll give me some direction for my first few videos. Thanks for reading and I'd really appreciate your support when I get this channel up an running. Thanks for the inspiration Jon. In this video alone, you've done more for my producer journey than 100's of hours of tutorials. I hope to follow your footsteps toward my own version of success.

[@jimmythebold589]

KZbin algorithm sucks. yes. and as a soundcloud user, i will not hesitate to say that it also sucks. best of luck to you with your well written, honest, sincere, and grammatically precise TLDR.

[@skeire1]

hello, I listened to a few seconds of your tunes on soundcloud quickly and from that brief listen I really liked them. they just made me happy :D. I think there are soooo many awesome producers that are out there with pretty much no following which is kind of sad, but just keep going even if it's for your own enjoyment. that's what I have started doing with my KZbin channel; uploading stuff because I want to, not expecting any views.

[@elietheprof5678]

Telling gets more traction than showing, because words are a shittier way to explain something than demonstrating. Words are more vague, more prone to misinterpretation, which leads to more arguing/debating which gets more engagement.

[@totaled_camry]

there's something really infectious about the pacing and style of video that you and schnoodle have created, i'm always excited to watch a new JMB vid. a lot of this comes down to talent (and charisma close second), but schnoodle has done such a good job at making the pacing feel fast without skipping over the beautiful details of the process.

[@jonmakesbeats]

Thanks for that. We have worked really hard on nailing a pace and tone

[@calicookstunes6530]

I used to love watching beat making videos but it felt like the soul was lost. I found you and now you are the only one I watch. This video has sparked something inside of me man. I stopped making beats and just play the keys a lot these days but I feel inspired to record the process soon- whatever it might be. Thanks for sharing this man.

[@jonmakesbeats]

Do what feels right to you

[@calicookstunes6530]

@@jonmakesbeats Appreciate it!

[@mckell36]

Hey man! I was trying to find some of your music, I saw that you'd already created a channel but your Instagram and Facebook links are broken... Anyways, I was noticing that there were a lot of musicians (including me) who wanted to make music but were lacking motivation or support, or feeling like their music wasn't being heard. Because of this, I'm working on making a community on Discord that can provide some of that encouragement to keep going forward. I'd like to invite you - if you're up for it - to join and share your music! I also saw that you were potentially interested in collabs, which is totally something that we'd like to facilitate! If you don't want to or you're uncomfortable that's perfectly fine. Let me know what you think!

[@jamesdesousa5528]

Spot on Jon. I click on your videos because I know they are quality, not because I get click-baited in. Keep up the good/honest work man.

[@jonmakesbeats]

Still trying to figure it out and thank you for watching

[@CrimsonCandyMusic]

Agreed! I've been making music but also was thinking of putting out KZbin content since last year. But because of this very reason I thought it won't be worth it. But still, I started putting out KZbin content as well, with my music. Thanks for the inspiration!

[@wildflute]

I’m documenting the process of having new classical music written for me, applying for grants, preparing for recording (learning and then practicing), recording and all the tech set up with my engineer, and all the ins/outs of the process in hopes it might help my colleagues who want to do a big project and maybe some folks might appreciate the peak behind the curtain. Classical musicians are NOT used to or comfortable with not being 100% polished in public. I just launched my first youtube vlog in the series introducing myself and have a plan to capture all of this. Starting with talking head casual style but will try to make the rest of it real and interesting. I don’t know what is interesting to people who don’t do this though! Thank you for putting this video up because I feel the same way about musicians under-valuing their process and the opportunities here on KZbin to show it. 100% open to ideating with everyone in all genres to make this a thing, cause i’m not sure either!

[@wildflute]

Next one is selecting composers, and recording demos for the grants. There will be some playing bits of me getting the parts ready to record the demos and some commentary on the Rubik’s cube puzzle of inching a huge project towards the finish line. I may also talk about all the things I’ve done and learned and courses I’ve taken and experience I’m drawing on to do this kind of thing.

[@malcolmmalik]

@@wildflute Yo thanks for sharing, I'm not classically trained in anything really but I'm aware of how that world is, so you doing that is a cool undertaking, would love to see it. Also down to ideate w you 👊🏽

[@wildflute]

@@malcolmmalik Thank you! What’s tricky is when one is embedded deeply into a niche it’s hard to know what’s interesting to those outside. If people just watch and/or make comment on what part of the process they want to know more about that would be helpful, just like any channel. For example, There’s real life happening for me through this crazy project, do people care about that or do I just keep to the process and tips on getting this stuff done?

[@malcolmmalik]

@@wildflute @wildflute You're welcome! I know ppl usually recommend "stick to making one kind of video" but you can always experiment and see how ppl react to different things

[@MegaMashuuCl]

Here comes my tangent on why my niche seems to be very specific... Although Vocaloid is much bigger nowadays, you rarely see covers of those songs done on instruments, at least on winds or orchestral strings. Outside of Japan, this rarity increases a fair bit. That is probably why I am a bit addicted to Vocaloid songs. I always think about playing those songs on my clarinet, and I also want others to know that the typical "band kid" may also join in on the fun.

[@MichaelHensen]

I love this. Wow, its the music community "Online" that I have been longing for "OFFLINE". When you have spent 30+ years trying to keep creating and everything seems like its gone stale, then something cool comes along. Thanks Jon for making this video. The biggest issue that I have been having probably is, that I have made Facebook my platform for teaching, playing and even talking about all things music. What I have noticed, (and you bring a lot up with all you've said here) is that its easy to turn away tons of people when you are having a bad day, or struggling and then you tend to use your social media as a place to let people know about hardship / feelings and/or forget discussing some injustice in the industry. Everyone interprets that as, you are a "Whiner" or can't play along the way your "Audience" wants you too. But then I've gone back a few days later after getting over such things, and got back to teaching or even presenting a live performance and its back to some engagement, but then.. I feel I've probably lost a few more people, and then maybe lost some traction that I was building. I have a KZbin channel with lots of original music, I have some just ok, teaching videos that I need better editing, camera work and a variety of things. Then I also have a few educational / process videos and reviews that I have seemed to do much better. I think what is lacking lately, is still being excited and being able to present by myself. Right now, I'd love to have 1-2 people I could work with in creating some of the content. I'm new to your channel, but I would be open to a song / beat making collaboration.. or even something similar. Not sure if you know, but I also make and have a lofi beats brand called Mister Lo Figh. I have been doing so for over 5 years now, but really was able to create several albums, artwork, digital distribution, mixing and also masters and I know have 6 albums out on most platforms.

[@kenc4907]

Gotta shoutout the MPC community, Malo, Cookin Soul, Marlow, Amed One, Dubs Banger, MPC and Guitar, and a big up for Kirk State putting on the monthly sample challenge. There's probably a lot of people I've missed too, but there's heaps of people who show their process flipping samples and dropping knowledge

[@jonmakesbeats]

Thanks for the shouts

[@kennyzee3221]

Don’t forget Bolo Tha Producer

[@ImJapanda]

Came across this video right when Im starting to think of creating videos. This is what I needed! Thank you

[@Ryan_Wiseman]

I'm in that camp, making music that is less rewarded by the algorithm. It has been an incredibly frustrating process, being one of those channels that has a very low subscriber/viewcount that you mentioned. People commonly seek out engaging content in which there are viewpoints discussed, which is great, but I wish KZbin was better about separating the two in terms of musical content, since trying to compete against that is often a far bigger failure than success. You really nail it when you talk about how you get so discouraged about the creative process, because when you don't see any type of improvement despite the hard work, it's like "why continue?". Still am gonna work hard at posting my music and try to continue to fight past the thoughts of my music "not being enough", because anything new worth doing is gonna require tons of work.

[@shawnmuench]

It's always easier to talk about stuff than do the primary activity It's like when people are presenting and they do a huuuuge preface about what the presentation is gonna be like instead of just embodying the qualities they value and getting on with it

[@Thought-Forms]

Some great ideas in here, Jon. Gave me some interesting tidbits to think about

[@PostcardFromADream]

Oh hey, on of my other favorite KZbin musicians! Interested to see how this might change your format, not that it’s needed in my opinion.

[@deathsyrup]

Gang 🔥

[@AlexaMorales]

Great video, and great insight into the idea that we simply need to challenge ourselves as musicians to find new ways to make our music visual. It’s not just the old MTV approach, it’s something new and evolving.

[@smoovbeatzz]

Hey John I signed into my beat making account to comment this just wanted to say thank you for this video. I had to step away from music for a some time now due to life stuff but the last few weeks i've been getting back into the groove of it and this video was really helpful. I've been thinking about how to make content for sometime now preparing to come back to music and this video was the push I needed to start fleshing out my idea for content. My idea is called "stuggle beats" and the concept is showing my process of making beats but being more vunerable and showing self doubt/the mess ups/ the erros/ the mistake that come from making beats. I came up with this idea due to the fact most producer online make videos and make it look like everything came to them easily and it all fell together with ease when we all know that doesn't happen most of the time (or for me at least). I want to highlight the ups and downs but yet show the results at the end. I am behind on alot of beats and I told myself that I would catch up on some before making content and today I finally finished my first beat after stopping over a year now! progress has been made thank you John!

[@mckell36]

Oh man, that's a fantastic idea! that would really help people like me keep motivation going to know that we're not alone. I looked at some of your beats you've already posted, your shorts about hip-hop on the OP-1 is pretty good! On that subject, I'd like to ask you something... I was noticing that there were a lot of musicians (including me) who wanted to make music but were lacking motivation or support, or feeling like their music wasn't being heard. Because of this, I'm working on making a community on Discord that can provide some of that encouragement to keep going forward. I'd like to invite you - if you're up for it - to join and share your music! You've got some good beats behind you and we'd love to have ya if you want to, especially since you've stopped but have started up again - I'm sure that's relatable to a lot more people then you notice. If you don't want to or you're uncomfortable that's perfectly fine. Let me know what you think!

[@NAETEMUSIC]

It is crazy how so many of my video ideas revolve around this EXACT SUBJECT.

[@MidlifeSynthesist]

Hey brother! Amazing video, hits home! What I admire the most about you, Ricky Tinez and EZ Bot to name a few, is how you are able to effortlessly talk about what you are doing and what you’re thinking about during the process of making music on the spot. To me that’s magic, cause I feel so exposed when I try to do it on camera that I clam up. This is definitely a great wake up call to be braver and show that intimate space to share with others and grow together. Thanks for this one🤘🏻 cheers!

[@jonmakesbeats]

Welcome my guy. It’s not easy to do at first but with practice becomes second nature. I think you’d be able to get it

[@thomasmadray198]

Giving Mylar Melodies a comments shout here. He even just released a video about making music with just a drum machine and synth. And of course Jon’s channel here too. Always an inspiration.

[@davidmcgirr]

In terms of the algorithm, I think Dan Harmon said it best "Find your voice, shout it from the rooftops, and keep doing it until the people that are looking for you find you. Stay put." Also look up Michael Keithson if you're interested in piano, he does incredible lessons on harmony.

[@jonmakesbeats]

Will check it out thanks

[@GlennThomasTech]

This is exactly it! Bring people into the process of creating thereby INSPIRING them to create as well. Inspiration begets inspiration, and communities of creatives are built. ❤

[@seaniii]

read through a bunch of comments & didn't see anyone mention London Rain. He's one of the few producers i've seen elevating the game. awesome video, lots to think about!

[@BENJAMIN-nz6nd]

Really good

[@PlantiProductions]

I was about to say soo true! He even inspired my channel and videos

[@LeviWhalen]

This inspires me to re-focus on sharing my process. My biggest challenge is consistency.

[@undefined_galactic_hiatus]

First off, definitely subbed. Thanks for the inspiration! Second, as a nobody creator that's dipped my toes in many areas, from prog metal music videos to a Dark Souls movie to a phycological breakdown video series of social studies in the gaming space, I can say that this video gave me a nice perspective on the algorithm that gives me a little insight as to how to use it more effectively. I have put hours and effort into my channel, 100% myself, and I still have big plans, like hosting a live metal venue and streaming the whole event. It's not premium content yet, but long story short, I've been broke for many years because of documented mental health struggles. Not to mention only taking my mental health seriously as of 2020ish (which overlooking/ignoring is common for many mental health conditions). In fact, I had over 50 drum covers on KZbin before I had a breakdown believing the changes in the ad policy would strike my channel, so I deleted everything that wasn't an original piece when I could have privated them. Periphery, Tesseract, Meshuggah, Paramore, Deftones, I had A LOT of covers on my first channel. The past few years have been put into finding that channel identity into this one, and with now with confidence, I can say it's ideally only a matter of a year or two before I'm able to achieve my goals irl, and subsequently make much more entertaining content. I have respect for you using this platform to capture my attention with a good title and proceed to give me solid and genuine advice. Though my journey through the SS Titanic we call KZbin is still stagnant, I have full confidence in my ability to eventually make better content when my circumstances change and I'm able to branch out with more bright minds on the team and more ideas on the table. Thanks again! -The Galactic Federation

[@OmoiSenpai]

Right on point! That is the direction that I am working myself to get into! The way that I see it, being a music creator-creator on KZbin would be just as same as a person who does Gameplay videos, like ZFG and DashieGames It is definitely a HUGE struggle, but it will be rewarding.

[@dustyaudio]

I dislike talking especially to myself and a camera, I’ll continue to post strange musical experiments despite what would “work” good talk, thanks!

[@DarkSideofSynth]

Welcome to the club. People have enjoyed making and listening to music for thousands of years without everything turning into a tutorial or an eye in the sky sharing every second of your process or centimetre of your studio ;) The music is there. Music lovers do have all the means to find it.

[@lokopeto]

i am in the same club ._. i have a lot of loops and demos that no one knows and its is the best stuff i ever made, make music is fun despite of no recognition

[@MeleeMoments]

beautifully put. it’s understandable for musicians get frustrated that they can’t simply post their music and go viral for a good song like in the early days of the platform. but you are exactly right that we need to adapt, and that too many people are giving up before they really try! i think it’s time for me to start that second channel… also this is an amazing video, and i’m so happy it led me to your stuff!!

[@JamesonNathanJones]

Preach

[@jonmakesbeats]

Love your videos

[@JamesonNathanJones]

@@jonmakesbeats Thanks man! Likewise

[@PlantiProductions]

@@JamesonNathanJones Jameson, your an inspiration! Thanks for your ideas and knowledge

[@DaveTheFloomper]

Self proclaimed musician here! I am so happy to be a part of this circle so that i can share my current knowledge and findings with music production. After working myself for 4-ish years into learning FL Studio production basics, i've learned a lot and i've never felt so free in creating and expressing what i feel inside. Here are my findings: Be a sponge. Be willing to learn about new things. Be openminded. New topics = new information, new opportunities in improving. Treat the skill like a buffet. Indulge in what you're good at, and don't forget to try other things. Music production takes a lot of time and effort, and having these skills even in a surface level allows you do go deeper. A bit of music theory, a general understanding of your DAW and arrangement tricks will help in the long run. And don't be afraid to experiment, do things your own way. Eefine, always change stuff up in your projects. Humans like variety.

[@vaeerror]

This encapsulates something I been feeling lately. I used to make beats on KZbin but I switched to just breaking down music and lately I been feeling like I been putting KZbin algo first rather than the music and been making less beats. Maybe I need to take a step back.

[@jonmakesbeats]

Both of those things are fine and good but you should make what you want

[@vaeerror]

@@jonmakesbeats 💯

[@Maycloudmusic]

I was just about to film my next video and I'm glad I stumbled upon this. I completely agree with what you had to say. As a musician/ content creator here on KZbin as well I think the Meta will change, it always does. Just look at how the different niches have evolved since KZbin's inception. I'm excited to see what the future holds for the more "clunky" creation process over the polished and scripted because even as a viewer myself of different content I've been seeing myself gravitate towards the more raw/ less hyper edited videos that show reality and more realism because that's what drew me to KZbin over basic TV since the beginning

[@teftymusictech]

I feel this video personally. Been through many of the ups and downs you mentioned of the music/video process on KZbin. As someone that really enjoys sharing knowledge, I realized 2 years ago that the audience for new music and the audience for learning how to make music often don't intersect. So, made a new channel specifically for the knowledge and it's been growing, but I'm still trying to crack the formula for sharing new music visually (both creating and finished performances). You're absolutely right, the format is under developed on KZbin and needs more people testing the waters.

[@jonmakesbeats]

Thanks for watching. Btw I see your gear stuff on my feed sometimes and you do a great job.

[@ottoaday]

This is such an inspiring take & view on making media as an artist. I do sometimes find it exhausting doing socials and with algorithms etc, getting signed there was a social media team sending you what’s trending and they’d try to get you to follow those trends. KZbin has fallen into that same category and I need to shift my mindset and just enjoy the process! Making art is a gift being able to pull something from nothing is a such a fulfilling experience. Thanks for the uplift Jon!

[@jonmakesbeats]

Let them work for you

[@kevinstrattonmusic]

Excellent video Jon. First video I have seen from you. Spot on.

[@jonmakesbeats]

Welcome!

[@iMobinator]

thank you, ive been producing for like almost 15 years and im 25 but never really posted or had the confidence to put myself out there, but have always wanted to stream it and just teach and produce

[@Adoom]

Thanks for the awesome work Jon & Schnoodle. I always smile when I see you’ve released a new video. Thanks also for inspiring us to show our processes more. As a musician who enjoys sharing the result, it’s encouraging to hear you talk about the benefits of the process. I hope to share more in the future after seeing this video.

[@Jack458111]

Thanks Barry

[@whippingstar]

Watching someone's process is infinitely more informative and inspiring than watching someone drone on about it - whatever 'it' might be. The elements, tips, and tricks I've incorporated into my own workflow by watching you and a host of others (even though I mostly don't use any of the same equipment or make the same style of music) has been invaluable. But yeah, more creation. Thanks Barry.

[@SjonnyBB]

Very inspiring indeed! Thanks

[@chamomile_BILL]

Thank you, this is the push I needed. I'm going to get started

[@antondial5326]

Jon, thanks. First time I looked at your channel. You seem to be a genuine person, and your advice is unselfish, and helpful. Keep on keepin on, Jon.

[@matthewdavis473]

So glad I was waiting for my Octatrack to come in the mail and binging on tutorials when you first released you “Octatrack hip hop video”. It’s been a pleasure watching the journey and learning a lot along the way.

[@jonmakesbeats]

Glad you’re still here

[@CernunnosDagda]

I am now going to record myself making music and posting it on KZbin now. Thank you.

[@JaydenLawson]

0:02 You are Nostradamus!

[@Brown86Eyes]

This video hit me. I've been thinking of uploading video's to youtube of me playing for a long time. But I just never got started. That last comment on breaking your personal ground. I needed that. Thank you!

[@KyleTheLandon]

i'm doin' my best! thanks for being you!

[@ovidiuspine]

This was really encouraging Jon and deeply resonated with me. This just popped up on my feed and I loved the idea of just capturing the process of creation. I've been trying to figure out my path on this KZbin journey as an artist/music creator for a while now and this whole concept is something I just started to explore. You hear "document, not create" all over the place these days, but "documenting the process of creation" is something that, as you said, is not as explored. I could see there being interest in witnessing the journey of a small seed of an idea being turned into a complete piece of work. Just wanted to say thanks for making this video and also the algorithm for showing this video to me! 🙏

[@burneraccount9829]

your music vids are the best because its nice to see a working musician do their craft....no extra gear talk or bs...just fire beats

[@jonmakesbeats]

I can see someone doing what I do but doing extra gear talk and having that be awesome. This is more about video makers doing what they envision and not shying away because they don’t want to be punished by the website

[@night_shade_]

Thank you so much for making this! More people definitely need to hear this! 🖤

[@kuni_]

honestly, this is exactly what I needed to hear. thanks Jon

[@jonmakesbeats]

Thanks for listening

[@justsomedo0d]

I’ve only released one immersive audio on KZbin thus far, and I had a blast creatively when it came to making it. Been thinking about music as a direction for my channel, and this really did inspire me. Thanks ❤

[@saba2655]

You’re absolutely right when you say we should show just as much as we tell. Watching someone pull off a move or eq a snare or chop a sample one time can do more for a seeking mind than reading about it a thousand times. Or as a friend put it once, the word is pale. My friends and I stream our music creation process every Thursday night. We also record every session. I feel inspired to chop these sessions into yt videos. Thanks for the inspiration Douglas.

[@jonmakesbeats]

Keep doing the thing

[@FaanaMusic]

Thanks for this! As a small music youtuber and artist in heart, I've been struggling with this for a while now!

[@TezTones]

yoo jon, completely agree and pretty synchronous time to have this video come out first off, saw you perform in SF back around 2014 and been a fan of the music since then. 'these words are everything' is a beautifully written song to the point at hand, we started this project (TezTones) that is a 'sports league for artists' and we are moving into our second season (just drafted teams yesterday) in which we will have teams live stream creating songs and visuals while sharing the process over a 4 hour match. teams will go head to head and after the regular season the teams with the best records move onto the post season to eventually crown one team champions. the idea is to help create a narrative around the creation process so each artist doesn't have to crack that code themselves. a goal is to also to tap into the formulas that already work with things like traditional sports, e-sports, competitive art shows, etc. the main drawback is making it a competition because art is very subjective and in my opinion there is often no best piece. but by agreeing upon a rule set and point system artists can approach it like a game, have fun with the creative side of it, and worry only about their contribution as creatives (much like professional athletes only worrying about playing their position) i don't think every artist should need to do something like this, and we are very much testing the extreme side of creating a formula and context around what we are doing, but it is a part of researching how we can contextualize the creation process itself and ideally draw more interest into the base activity of music creation and an artist's process still in the formation and live match testing of this season, but would love to have you as a guest judge once we move into the post season, or even chop it up about some of these ideas! much love! -hashbrown (of TezTones) actually, we're considering adding another team or two because we have more artists interested.. so if anyone reading this might want to be a part of Season 2 reach out to our twitter @TezTones or our email [e-mail] (not sure if emails get censored on YT) or if anyone wants to help brainstorm and help with production also! appreciate the support for all endeavors and likewise if we can be of any help feel free to reach out and message!

[@crosslylucas]

100% agree. I've been writing an album from start to finish live on KZbin. It's a slow burn. This video has motivated me to keep going! Thanks Jon!

[@365OTG]

one of my favorite channels, i like music makers, because I make music.

[@jonmakesbeats]

Thanks for watching I appreciate it

[@HofTheStage]

Totally agree. I've noticed a format that works on my channel, but unfortunately it brings the audience who don't stick around and watch anything else but reaction videos - and only to artist they enjoy. Most of them are not interested in anything else. A double edge sword. When you look at my subscriber count, you would think, this is a fairly big successful channel, but the truth is that your channel is healthier than mine. So, slow growth is better and more sustainable. And yes, it's hard to compete with videos that are tailored for retention and the KZbin game (challenge videos, quick paced adrenaline type videos). Music is not a fast pleasure, it takes time to appreciate and enjoy it. So it's harder for music channels to ''make it'', but you pointed out some good tips that can help. I'm trying to find a balance between what kinda works on my channel and what would feel more fulfilling and meaningful to create (posting original songs, doing singing tutorial videos and just interesting musical experiments and stuff). Either way, you left me with a lot to think about. Wish you all the success, it seems to me you're on the right track!

[@skoolhitdabutton]

Is there a spot for a 61 year old grandpa making beatz on the MPC ?

[@bretonnicholas1638]

Yes for sure

[@SilkKuts]

@@skoolhitdabutton hell yeah!

[@jonmakesbeats]

I would watch the hell out of that

[@matthewbuffey2399]

Yup

[@bonwowo]

@skoolhitdabutton yess pleease!!

[@tarshenry]

Thank you Jon for making such an inspiring and community focused video. I started my channel a year ago, to build a following and find supporting appreciators of what I do, and I feel like I am still very, very early on in my journey. I suppose that’s a good thing! This video has just made things seem much clearer and made me feel so much better about what I do, and what I want to do in the future. Thanks

[@willisbrindley]

I just posted my first process video in a sort of nontypical format last week actually! It's on how the formula of songwriting being more about life, experience, loss and healing over patterns or techniques. Great video, funnily I clicked on it thinking, "does youtube really?" lol.

[@jonmakesbeats]

Congrats!

[@willisbrindley]

@@jonmakesbeats ty! Definitely envy artists that pick a visual medium as the thumbnail thing you mentioned is what made me consider stopping pure music promotion and moving towards process/vlogs to begin with

[@StickybirdpooMusic]

Thank you for the great video @jonmakesbeats. The truth stings, but the truth is whats needed for growth. Im not in a place, living situation, to show myself visually and my process, but your talk is very helpful, AND it doesnt discourage me from continuing making music. Thank you!

[@its_swift_smith]

I have been wrestling with this for so long. All I want to do is make music. Thank you for saying this.

[@jonmakesbeats]

Just do it - Nike

[@loopingleo]

Thanks so much Jon! I feel like as a musician it’s a challenge to go beyond the audio file and actually think about another medium (video/screen) and how you present your art and yourself to the world, especially if it’s just a single song or idea. It can get tiring and even make you feel like you need to do it just to please the platform and its requirements. For me personally, putting a song out on SoundCloud or Bandcamp is less of a hurdle because you don’t have to create an artwork but just the track and share it as it is. Obviously, the entire process of how a song was created gets lost here. And we might have an even bigger opportunity as artists here than we think. Thank you for inspiring the community, showing your journey and addressing this - I will for sure consider giving it a shot.

[@AfferbeckBeats]

You're so right about the possibilities and evolution of music creation "content". It's only in recent times that it's become accessible to create art where the process of creating that art can be as artful as the finished product you're trying to create, and is its own separate but complimentary finished product. I'd like to give a shoutout to Otis McDonald, who aside from being one of the world's most listened artists as part of the youtube music library (Scarlet Fire anybody?) also does music creation streams which get edited down into very slick videos and mostly shorts now. He doesn't get nearly enough engagement, probably because he's not chasing algorithm friendly things like talking about gear and music, he's just using it and creating it.

[@jonmakesbeats]

Otis is the man!

[@NomadSoulFull]

This is amazing. Thank you jon. Been thinking about making process videos for a long while now and this might have been just what I need to push me to actually MAKE something. Much love from New Zealand x

[@PlantiProductions]

Go for it!

[@jonmakesbeats]

Have fun!

[@BrailleSounds]

Bro this hits home. I started my channel trying to do the Jon makes beats thing but I started questioning if anyone would want to watch me just making music. Also my live streams starting from 0 were like 5 people max. So streaming -> video was depressing… But now I’ve veered too close to the standard synth tuber shit and am planning on going back to studio recordings…

[@jonmakesbeats]

It takes a while to get it. I went almost a full year with no growth before anything started ticking up. Just dig deep and push towards what speaks to you.

[@BrailleSounds]

@@jonmakesbeatsgotta dig deep babyyyyyy 🎉

[@canzino3966]

This is what I needed to hear. As a fellow musician, gracias and rock on!

[@norrin_sad2778]

Vanille Debray makes some cool videos showing her process for film scoring and recreating vibes from existing songs. A different flavor than this channel but still very cool to see

[@caydilemma3309]

She’s awesome

[@JonTorrence]

I felt in so many ways that you were speaking specifically to me. This is something that I've been working on for a while!

[@BadSportsmanship]

Hi Jon, thanks for making this video. I agree with a lot of what you mentioned here, and your perspective definitely inspires me to keep going. I don't love promoting myself, but since its the topic of this video I will throw my name into the hat - I started this channel about 6 months ago to specifically focus on the active music making part of the process. All my videos focus on writing and performing a completed piece of music (I mostly do instrumental mathy post-rock fusion with modular and synths mixed). I explain/demonstrate how I build up each composition on the different instruments, the thought process, how I'm using loopers etc. and then I perform the whole piece at the end of the video (1 take of guitar + synth, 1 take of bass + synth, and 1 take of drums). I want to improve what I'm doing with this format and fine tune it, so if anybody would be willing to give me some feedback/constructive criticism that would really help me move in the right direction. Its hard to iterate and get better when each video only gets like 50-100 views and maybe the occasional comment.

[@jonmakesbeats]

Watch your videos with a critical eye and see if there’s any parts that would be boring to you if you didn’t have an emotional attachment to the video you just recorded. Pacing and story are everything

[@BadSportsmanship]

@@jonmakesbeats Right on, appreciate the advice. Pacing is definitely tough, finding that right balance between personality/explanations/music performance. I will have to go back and re-watch some of my stuff when its not as fresh in my memory to try and pick out those dull spots to start avoiding.

[@michaelshea-wright7940]

great points, important convo, thanks so much for making this. it also applies to drawing and any other type of creative craft!

[@AgentCharles522002]

you are a good man jon

[@jonmakesbeats]

You are a good audience member

[@senflyer-]

Was kinda happy to see this appear. I've been singing as a hobby for a few years offline. But I'm still nervous about posting as while I enjoy music I don't really understand the technical side well yet.

[@TheMixCurator]

The line of the people that "Do" and the people that "Tell" is very valid. KZbin (and media in general) is a battle for our attention. Seeing as the choices have now become endless it can really be difficult to get great engagement with every upload. A lot of commentator channels and even watch-a-longs/reaction channels seem to perform well (Drama reporting to people listening/seeing something for the first time). Maybe because you feel your voice might be heard in the comments, therefore creating more engagement. Whereas a music track is a performance to the listener. Its one way in communication (maybe this is a false assumption, but might be true) so you might not feel you're part of "it". Also, I started to see a friend of mine for social visits and we started making music for fun (he's an ex sound engineer so knows how to use DAWS etc). I found music to be a really engaging social thing to do with one or two people. I even put it on my channel, but it has a handful of views compared to my mixes.

[@jonmakesbeats]

There’s a lot of work to be done leveling the playing field in terms of expectations. React videos work well because they were created for this format. We have to do the same with music if we want it to properly compete

[@trippbryan6176]

Thank you for this video! I've been tiptoeing around the idea of making music in my off time and this was helpful to hear

[@OrangeDrinkMusic]

Challenge Accepted OctaCaptain! 👏 I'm filming a live Octatrack performance once a week this year on KZbin if anyone wants to follow along!

[@MAD_GROOVZ]

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[@KyleLarimoreMusic]

Great encouragement, Jon! 😊 Been a musician my whole life. 11 years of composing music, 4 years on KZbin, and recently got on 150 platforms. Working to get back to making videos on how to create music on my other channel. I encourage anyone to take what you’ve got and put it out there. Doesn’t have to sound or look perfect from the get go, just create; press record. The best way improve your craft is through honest critique from others, which has helped me become a better musician and producer. If you’re struggling to earn money from your music, lookup sync licensing and thank me later. Keep grinding on KZbin, as it’s a big asset! The world needs YOU!! ❤️🎶 #musiciansunite #dontgiveup

[@Nitrate1984]

I started making music production KZbin videos in April 2023. Over the past year, I've been intensely learning and listening to figure out how to get my productions to the level I imagine in my mind. Now, I can finally create some stuff I'm satisfied with. The biggest challenge I've faced so far is figuring out how to make the music production process entertaining for the audience while also keeping them engaged for longer watch times. And My biggest question is: What are viewers looking to get from these music production videos? Are they after entertainment, information, or something else?

[@jonmakesbeats]

That’s something you can find through trial and error. What would you want to get from one of these videos?

[@quicksam9941]

Ive been a musician my whole life and a songwriter my whole adulthood. Ive always loved sharing my musical process with people, but I've never thought to do so on KZbin, to an audience. this idea has really intrigued me, I might just have to give this a try. thank you very much for this video.

[@PlantiProductions]

Go for it :))

[@jonmakesbeats]

Have fun!

[@Gear-Tube]

Novak The Enjoyer does it well 👍

[@ohmthepoet8428]

This is exactly what I needed to hear, I just made my music channel and I've been frozen, not sure what to do and without even having a phone just a laptop and webcam its been a bit self-defeating. This gives me hope though, and also opened my mind to try lots of ideas, be free, be wrong but do it and most of all collaborate. I've been to hermit-like since the pandemic bs, and it sucks because, I love making art with people but things have been so different since. However, maybe the way to change that is in our hands as musicians, because what else brings people together better than music? Always appreciate seeing your videos man. I knew you were the real deal when i heard your shit almost a fucking decade ago but man I never expected the impact on my music making you would have and for that and all the spared wisdom I thank you brotha. Jonwayne 4eva

[@mckell36]

This. I really think that collaboration is one of the most fun ways to make music, especially when you lack a fanbase like so many of us do. I hesitate to ask, but... I'm working on making a Discord server that can hopefully be a place for people to share and collaborate and I'd like to invite you if you're interested. Let me know what you think!

[@GabeWilliams]

This was a weird video to see on my timeline because I've been thinking about a series where I do something along the lines of what you do, sort of just saying "I'm going to try and write a song today," and talk about the process as I go along.

[@jonmakesbeats]

The website is speaking to you

[@Khordmaster]

Shoutout to KZbin for recommending this video. Never came across your channel but glad I did. This absolutely spoke to me. 👍🏾

[@jonmakesbeats]

aye I've seen you around before. Welcome to this corner of KZbin

[@Khordmaster]

@@jonmakesbeats 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@matthewbuffey2399]

Nitrate1984 makes some nice sample based beats

[@Nitrate1984]

🤯OMG, Thank you man, can't belive I find my name here

[@harryjones5260]

it really boils down to the fact that ost people, when thry feel in the mood for some music, will go to the music they already know gives them the feeling they are looking for. It needs a totally different mood to wade through lots of unknown stuff until you find something that resonates, and often time is too precious to waste on that process which wont necessarily find anything that really moves you.

[@TapDaddyBeats]

This channel inspired me to start making highlights of my Thursday beat making streams on Twitch. I've been uploading them here on KZbin for about 8 months now every week, with the help of my wife who edits them. Just wanted to say that the very fact that this channel has a very "show, don't tell" approach to music related content is what appealed to me and instantly sucked me in. I am one of those people who despite what the title and thumbnail says, I'm gonna click on it cause I know it's gonna be a video I will enjoy. I love watching people cook. In that vein, I also just wanted to shout out the channel ImLowKey. He makes some pretty amazing jazzy Boom Bap stuff in ableton, and his skills on keys have inspired me to brush up on chord theory and make more of my sample material in house. Great channel, go check him out

[@jonmakesbeats]

That’s awesome

[@jadenmazy2320]

Thank you for your words of admiration and inspiration. What you said made me more interested and curious than many others before. Please continue doing what you do.

[@too_online.3441]

this comment is a shameless self-promo for my music

[@georgiasomething2064]

What do u do?

[@too_online.3441]

@@georgiasomething2064 vgm-style and breakcore

[@jxorz6013]

Excellent points. I'm quite happy the algorithm sent me here. The only thing stopping me right now is cost and lack of experience. Outside of a bass rig I'd only dreamed of before now, I have nothing but my phone and some live sound equipment to work with, and just lost my regular job to "automation"... So it's a good time to transition, but I don't have the means to produce quality content right away or wait for success. If I can figure out a way, I'm there. It might take some time.

[@PlantiProductions]

@@jxorz6013 got any questions my g?

[@jonmakesbeats]

Take your time and good luck!

[@jxorz6013]

@@jonmakesbeats Thanks, Jon. You're a real one. I'll get there someday 👍

[@ally-is]

Shout out to @foliagebeats! Pure delight watching him make music. www.youtube.com/@foliagebeats

[@aresdrm]

Really amazing video, thank you for this and let`s get it! 💙