We Need To Talk About Arcane...

[@gigguk]

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[@serious.humor_a0z]

Your nitpicking reminds me of *The Cosmonaut Variety Hours* 🙂

[@shinjiikari1021]

So it is another yae Sakura ice battlesuit moveset flip... Just like ayaka

[@marinda653]

Looking forward to your 1.4 stream

[@noone3126]

Gigguk keep working hard 💪

[@Vicioussama]

Gacha garbage :O

[@dorafatima10]

Vi: cupcakke Catilynn: So i betrayed everyone

[@angrynapolean3820]

Caitlyn kinda forgot that she cared about Vi until she remembered halfway through the season.

[@Shipperscum]

Caitlyn: "guess ill be hitler now" Caitlyn 2 episodes later: "eh nevermind"

[@bigjen8238]

Peak trash

[@luise5419]

​@@bigjen8238peak hate

[@dovahc816]

Honestly VI is crazier because she was left in the dust and went back to live her life in a city that was getting violently oppressed by her ex for months and she still forgave her anyway. Which ties into the themes of the show as love is selfish and blinding but still 😩

[@_necesse]

Love that Arcane at its worst is still better than most shows at their best.

[@Guevonas0]

yeah i really like it, still think first season was better, think this one had to much shit happen at the same time, but was still good

[@alacritysp]

I feel like it's mostly because league already has an inasne amount of lore and even though it has been changed over the years quite a few times, arcane really does a good job of refining it

[@i_zevi]

@@AnteBoss you miss spelling a 3 letter word explains why you think arcane isnt peak animation

[@t3cchan]

No it's not. S2 was very middle of the road as far as shows go. Great animation though.

[@jaidoncrawford1163]

I think the writing is still good it’s just so obvious this was 2 seasons of tv crushed into 1 season of television

[@casualfanatic4217]

Jayce: There is beauty in imperfections Viktor: There is no prize in perfection, only an end to pursuit

[@Kofhiliphus]

Ironically, it describes "arcane" both as a show and the magic itself.

[@jonathanbosman1568]

Mayuri pretty much said this when he killed szylapporo in bleach. He said, and I'm parraphrasing, "A scientist seeks to get as close to perfection without every obtaining it. Once you obtain it, there is nothing left."

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

"There is beauty in your crippling handicap and terminal illness" - Guy built like a quarterback with zero health issues

[@chrishaven1489]

Yeah, but, Viktor's "imperfections" were killing him. So that message kinda falls flat

[@shilohmagic7173]

I prefer to take Viktor's message to heart, rather than Jayce's

[@G2LoL]

You know it's a banger when even Joey's finally watching it

[@ajiththomas2465]

Are you serious? Joey's actually dropped his pretentious contratiwn hipster thing and actually watched Arcane? Are pigs flying? Is the world ending?

[@Michiotgo]

G2 gigguk collab?

[@G2LoL]

@@ajiththomas2465 holup we need to win Worlds before that happens

[@Diamond-mc8os]

@@G2LoL so 2025 right....right?

[@nonameguy1382]

​@@G2LoL wdym winning worlds? You're not even winning against kc

[@the_cringe_nerd]

I think the biggest issue is a lot of what was written was actually cut. Like there was ment to be more of Jinx and Echo's talk which got axed. Even the final episode was chopped from 80-90 minutes to 50

[@t3cchan]

It definitely shows. So many plotlines just felt unfinished.

[@kivori3438]

One of the producer said the opposite toh, in a comment on reddit about the choices made with fortiche and not them just giving the script and saying “fortiche do this”. He said they never cut a 90 minutes episode

[@atelheit]

I really love that, even though most people are still pretty soft on the show because it looks and sounds jaw-droppingly stellar, the general sentiment is that it was unfortunately not as good as the first season. It shows the collective has actual good taste where writing is concerned, instead of just mindlessly shilling. If other Riot projects can achieve the levels of writing of the first season again, while continuing to let Fortiche cook, we are in for greatness.

[@t3cchan]

@@atelheit I've seen plenty of people insisting that s2 is perfect, but on the whole yeah. I've been pleasantly surprised about being able to discuss the season's shortcomings without people taking it personally

[@kivori3438]

@ i mean, season 2 wasnt bad by any means. It’s not as good as season 1. If season 2 is really bad as some people say then idk what a middle ground good show is

[@hydrogenbond9570]

Jinx’s therapy bill could probably fund an entire Hextech revolution.

[@roombster]

Imagine what it would be combined with Vi's. Their family therapy bill would cause another anomaly apocalypse.

[@tranquilclaws8470]

Also paying out that life insurance for the trail of dead therapists...

[@theok391]

The entire character roster needs a therapy (except from Heimerdinger).

[@corbanbausch9049]

@@theok391 Heimer is the therapist lol

[@I_have_Claws]

The therapist will have to order another therapist.

[@tahaymvids1631]

The animation at the end with Viktor and Jayce is amazing, every frame straight up looks taken out of a medieval mosaic

[@alacritysp]

We don't speak about viktor, especially the rework

[@kokosan09]

I rewatched that part 4 times in a row, it made me so emotional

[@Cevichelicious]

​@alacritysp I much prefer new Viktor over old copy paste generic ass machine viktor

[@oneofyus3799]

That lazy mind space shit is the brain cancer of s2. Season 1 finale was 4 characters at the table - 1 died. Jayce could make Viktor a cup of tea and tell him Viktor sent him from the future.

[@MsSarahJosephine]

My jaw dropped. I have not had a series, animated or otherwise, have my jaw involuntarily drop in a long long time.

[@VoiceSnacks]

Season 1 was the closest to actual perfection I've seen an animated show get. Season 2 falling just short of THAT because of improper pacing is nothing to be ashamed of.

[@ulizez89]

It wasn't just improper pacing, improper writing would be more accurate. But yeah, the rest was on point!

[@thomaspluijm4396]

​@@ulizez89It was most-definitely time. Had they had more time, they would've been able to add much more to the writing. It's already been confirmed that loads of content had to be cut because of time constraints. They had a story in mind that they wanted to tell, but they didn't have enough time to tell it. If you want to get from point A to point B within the time you're given, you're gonna have to cut scenes out. That will always affect the quality of the shows' writing.

[@CRIZZZLPT]

I'd say there is no price to perfection, only an end to pursuit.

[@yousigiltube]

Season 1 will have been smoother but I preferred season 2 myself. It's easy to see what people are saying with the writing but when I watch a league of legends show I want action and character drama, season 1 had that for sure but it's hard to deny the sheer amount of stuff that got done in season 2. It may not have been perfectly done but that actually fits the hectic pace and uncontrolled drama the show is aiming for. The narrative mirrors the story which is a cool touch (obviously not intentional but it helps you feel slightly as the characters do, frantic and embattled to piece together what's going on). The amount stuff happening and the progress of the story was so much more. I'm surprised considering the time travelling part and Jason in the cave injured felt like they'd have wasted a lot more time than necessary. Still, season 1 was great for pacing but for me the visual flair, the satisfaction of the confrontations, the emotional character moments etc. There was just a lot more of what I wanted from a LoL show in season 2. It wasn't just bumping around some no name gangsters as much as season 1. I'd have been absolutely over the moon if this was a continuous show that would eventually show much more of the LoL cast and story (which would have been ideal for fans obviously) as that gets to the meat of bones of more characters, more story, more interactions. Final note, glad they lost some of the rap by the end as well, I'm not a fan of rap music and it held the first series back a little.

[@averageds3player699]

no, it's just simply bad writing, especially when they said they had already been working on another project for a year, you want me to believe they were short on time therefore they divided their work force on another project?

[@claytonrios1]

That's an utterly massive budget but man can you see every single dollar on the screen with every episode of Arcane!

[@bxbydrxgxn]

Actually from animation of that quality not really, it's $14,000 for each 40 minute episode, where as into the spider verse cost $22,500,000 for each40 minutes, so while it is a big budget in the scheme of animation this quality it's really really cheap in comparison

[@claytonrios1]

@bxbydrxgxn It's still a lot of hard work that went into every frame.

[@legallyblind619]

60 of the 250 was spent on marketing and promoting season 1 alone, so essentially we got an animated masterpiece for 190 across two full seasons. Compared to other high budget animations I don't think its that massive at all. For context the lion king budget was around $200m for a 2h movie

[@thatsabitcringe5100]

Massive huh? You know what else is massive

[@organizerbmo]

How much did Beastars cost? That was the only other 3D show to make me think 'damn this was an option?' - also Stampede to a lesser extent. Facial expressions and little things in Arcane were S tier

[@kingsleycy3450]

Arcane is one of the last fruits of the streaming war: One of those mega budget series that doesn't make sense financially, but a series for both fans and creators nonetheless

[@majimbo8528]

I'd say it is the Red Dead Redemption 2 of all adaptations. A LOT of muneh and work being put into a singular project that achieves universal acclaim

[@PhilippeLepaffe]

Well, I think Arcane (and its successors) *can* make some financial sense on account of Riot Games being loaded as hell and this being their pathway into breaking LoL out of its hardcore gamer fanbase. Does 250M$ make sense for 18 episodes on Netflix? No. Riot lost money and so did Netflix. Does it make sense when it gets tens of millions of people interested in the League franchise overall? How Riot plays the next steps to this will determine that. Potential avenues could be things like a future theatrical movie, say at 50M$ budget for 2 hours runtime, pre-Arcane that would have giga-bombed but now? The right story with the right characters could make Spider-Verse level money. Or they could leverage the new fans they now have to expand the League gaming universe to other genres which didn't necessarily appeal to the core fanbase they previously had. I'm not going to go through all the potential ways to go about this, but the point is that every dollar they spent on Arcane doesn't need to be recouped by Arcane because it primarily serves to strengthen the IP they own which is the most valuable thing for media companies in the modern age.

[@aveshlutchman8573]

@@PhilippeLepaffe What money did Netflix lose lol? Netflix just paid for distribution rights (3 mill per ep iirc) and marketed S2 (they didn't even market S1 because they thought it wouldn't do well). Riot paid for the entire show.

[@xXAkirhaXx]

According to Riot's budget, it makes sense. Arcane may have cost a lot, but hmmmm wonder how much they made on those new skins.

[@Kaldrack]

it is partially also advertising, which could probably be considered if talking about "financiall sense"

[@Truck-kun11]

Ekko arriving with one of the biggest clutch moves in the history of animation is in my top 5 favorite parts of the entire series. The guy may not have had as much screen time but he definitely made up for it in quality.

[@Ginpachi_Sensei9_9]

He and jinx best written characters fr fr

[@meanotaku]

EKKO the boy saviour

[@angrynapolean3820]

Bro, you people will scarf down any slop put in front of you.

[@kiss-shotacerola-orionhear1442]

Bro did not have a context on what's going on lol

[@Gryphias]

It's even more funny when you think about that ekko and victor never met before. So when he threw the "time bomb" at him he was like who the fuck is that kid and where did he get that xD

[@CHEFPKR]

Know how I know Arcane is damn good? My wife thinks LoL is a stupid game. Hates the top down, repetitive nature etc. Know who had popcorn, drinks, and a full on mattress on the floor ready to binge Arcane Season 2 ready? My wife.

[@inasinas226]

That doesnt mean LoL is not a stupid game

[@matkapfaruk6982]

​@@inasinas226 no bu it means that despite LoL being shit, Arcane was so damn good to the point that it captivated people who think LoL is shit

[@TheBakerZen]

@@matkapfaruk6982 To be fair, arcane has almost nothing to do with the actual game. It doesn't even try to adapt any aspect of the game, just loosely the lore of the world and the character names.

[@Depressso-Espresso]

Oh, look at you, having a wife and being happy! No, I'm not jealous (yes I am)

[@elijahpelito4722]

yep she is right the game is stupid(stupidly addicting)

[@hinanonaeole7142]

Finally, someone shows their appreciation for Loris. He got more love in this video, than the show

[@upg5147]

The man was worthless. I was so sure he was going to be important and if I didn't watch the show with a League player I would have been sure Loris was a playable character. He did nothing, said never little and then got fridged for Vi. One of the most disappointing new characters. The fish guy was somehow more worthless and they killed my darling gremlin Smeech far too early...

[@bearerofbadnews1375]

@@upg5147and the less said about Maddie the better.

[@grinko1222]

​@@upg5147 yeah this is textbook fridging. I didn't give a shit about his death because he's a blatant plot device

[@angrynapolean3820]

I do not believe you actually knew his name, and you only got it from watching subtitles.

[@AureusIgnis2]

I think the opposite actually. Loris is a realistic character. He's not some flashy MC self-insert, he's a dude who's there, who leaves for a bit, who comes back. He doesn't come back in some rage or ulterior motive, he just... was off doing his life. They don't mention his name because he's just happy to be there and help. He's like the guy at work who you see top off your supplies every day, and you make small talk with, but you never caught his name. But once his replacement arrives, you're still sad to have lost him. Loris was given an anti-climatic death BECAUSE that's who he was. He died being what people needed, because that's all he ever wanted to try to be. You think in the span of... a handful of months(?), he went from a drunk (and presumably former Enforcer given how quickly they accept him in) to piloting their main form of offense in the attack? No one else probably wanted to be the MAIN target of enemy fire, so he stepped up.

[@brilliantsableye2591]

I really liked this season. - Jinx and Vi being siblings - Viktor turning into a metal twink messiah - Isha - that one Sevika vs Smeech fight -Ekko breaking time (and our hearts) - Heimerdinger singing Wonderwall - Isha - like EVERY song in the show And finally: Vi eating her cupcake

[@brilliantsableye2591]

Also: Singed was the secret MVP (or rather anti-MVP?) of the entire show. Bro did sidequest while still achieving his main goal.

[@oneofyus3799]

We could have smeech + jinx season. All 9 episodes. Would be great Uhh. Let’s kill isha again In minecraft

[@PureStealth]

Isha

[@roombster]

"Vi eating her cupcake" being on here is so real. After everything she's been through, she deserves a little treat.

[@angrynapolean3820]

Yeah, Vi gassed the people she grew up with and decided to bang her ex after her sister explicitly said she was going to off herself. But the important thing is that the shippers got their moment.

[@akdrzllol1698]

Writing of season 2 aside Arcane truly is a work of art. Whether you enjoyed it or not there’s no denying how stunning the show is. Animators outdid themselves.

[@kingdoom5022]

No S2 was absolute garbage story wise carried by animation

[@kingdoom5022]

Pretty sure arcane glazers are the same idiots who say demon slayer is carried by animation yet go out of thier way to overhype shows with trash stories like arcane

[@koyaux]

@@kingdoom5022I agree with you but it's subjective, let people enjoy a show. Being negative all the time serves 0 purpose, toxicity is the rule of beast.

[@klulikxd]

​​@@kingdoom5022Sure paceing is bad in season 2 but it had great moments. Obviously I would rather normal pacing and dont receve ending yet but it was good anyway

[@matjaz5684]

Saying something is shit is not toxic​@@koyaux

[@maxojavierrojasurzua5746]

If I remember correctly, the CEO of this animation studio said that if they wanted to make an animated adaptation of a manga they would like to adapt Vagabond. That's wild. 😮

[@AjrinTasnim]

Manifesting this

[@sspah6870]

Say hello to my new Roman Empire.

[@SoySauce9]

Yeah, Pascal Charrue said he would adapt Vagabond first. (Charrue is one of the animation directors at Fortiche) Source: www.crunchyroll.com/news/interviews/2024/7/13/arcane-fortiche-studio-interview

[@ade1174]

Arcane season 2 was still great, but I feel that cutting out the Black Rose would have helped with more time to focus on Viktor and Ambessa and explore them more before the finale.

[@thanhao5500]

It was for the setup for noxus season

[@Reshapable]

The Black Rose segment is very useful towards setting up the spinoff shows. Not just for Noxus either, it gave a lot of subtle material for the verse in general. Though for the sake of s2 specifically, yeah it may not have been the most beneficial. But not for more Viktor and Ambessa exploration, I don't know why anybody needs more from either of them when they were some of the most complete characters of the show.

[@angrynapolean3820]

How else were they going to make Mel into an epic champion? Please be excited for the new League character! The show? Story? Who cares about any of that! Riot has skins to sell!!

[@daluven]

@@angrynapolean3820 ?

[@thinking6548]

Mel isn't a character in league. Maybe tft, but she has no skins there. Ambessa was the champion.​@@angrynapolean3820

[@theotakuoutlook]

Arcane is a testimonial evidence that what's possible when Talented Animator's are given time , money and all the resource's they need.

[@mutantraze3681]

Even the prettiest of animations is still trash when given bad scripts. Arcane’s writing should be the bar for writing shows where characters are characterized quickly and believably and the plot moves in a way thats 100% believable

[@nachtigall1437]

But writers were given a middle finger, seems like

[@nem3732]

​@mutantraze3681 Except it didn't do that because season 2 was all over the place in terms of plot and characterization.

[@Javier-rm6ql]

Also that horrible writting ruins anything.

[@theotakuoutlook]

@@mutantraze3681 Hey at least still better then most stuff we got this year

[@Crono2077]

Great review, the pacing is obviously a problem but what they did with the time they had was incredible and on point.

[@OmperDomper]

The pacing was THE PROBLEM. Up until episode 6 everything was great, then episode 7 released and made many wonder how the hell was every plot point going to conclude with only 2 episodes left. It needed at least 2-3 more episodes. Some characters were irrelevant yet they still somehow got their " glorious moments" even though the audience didn't care about them at all.

[@ajiththomas2465]

Honestly, I feel like Season 2 should've been 2 Seasons. The second season should be focused on the Zaun vs Piltover War and actually fleshing out and explore the dynamics and fallout of the world and conflict. And also have Caitlyn face consequences from her Dictator Arc. Just give more time to flesh out the Zaun and Piltover characters, their relationships, and development. And then Season 3 should've been the Cosmic Machine Herald Viktor Revolution Arc. If they'd have done that, Arcane would've ended on peak.

[@Crono2077]

@@ajiththomas2465 I agree, while they did everything right with the schedule they chose, that choice itself was a mistake. It is a miss how they set up the Zaun v Piltover conflict in s1, only to brush it aside.

[@eskildscott7841]

not just the pacing, the writing was also lacking a bit compared to the first season

[@Crono2077]

@@eskildscott7841 The writing was really good 90 percent of the time too, they also used a lot of visual story telling which I really appreciate. The problems almost entirely fall on plot progression, you can call that writing but that's really schedule restraints. Some writing issues I can think of was Ambessa's end, and her going along with a very questionable jesus wizard is definitely not in her character.

[@procrobat]

Despite everything, I still can't call Arcane anything BUT a masterpiece.

[@StxrryN1ght]

Arcane isn't even anime, but we love it here

[@ratedr7845]

It's actually a good thing

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

Yes

[@marcbuisson2463]

*Dabs in french animation* There are a lot of other things to discover here, but Arcane's clearly one of the best thing that came out from the country.

[@KironVB]

​@@ratedr7845 "Japan was in the year 2000 in 1980 and was in the year 2000 in 2020". Arcane, Wakfu etc have just proven something I've been saying for over a decade, pretty much all Anime has fucking terrible writing, there is almost no innovation in the medium and at this point they are just running on rehashing the exact same tropes, plots and characters with a slight twist/remix, which feels like an entire industry running on fumes. People ripped me to shreds back in the early 2010s when I said that Anime studios should work way more with French studios to make something actually well written and unique, and I feel constantly validated every time France just curbstomps every anime in animation, writing and general story with utter ease.

[@SpiderJAAM]

You know a show is GOATed when it can have some really fucking depressive/serious shit and then in the next episode find a way to melt my heart from happiness (I'm looking at you Episode 7).

[@MrPhilsterable]

And then depress you again. And then make you happy for a brief moment, before giving the most depressing moment in the whole series leading right into one of the most hopeful.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

I feel like we didn't watch the same show. Arcane S2 shat on everything that made S1 great. Every episode was a disaster.

[@SpiderJAAM]

@@KaNoMikoProductions That's a weird way to say it improved characters and improved what was already established on S1... But whatever.

[@SpiderJAAM]

@@KaNoMikoProductions Dude, the only thing it did "wrong" is going too fast, stop trying to rage-bait.

[@casualfanatic4217]

@@KaNoMikoProductions your rage bait is obvious but I do agree S2 threw out everything setup in S1. S1 was a grounded conflict of classism and family. S2 is Infinity War. They don’t blend well together

[@y4y8y5]

Ah yes the gigguk arcane glazing better keep parading it so joey watches it in 3 years

[@matiyak4571]

European animation studios became leaders in 2d/3d hybrid animation, Arcane, Blue Eyes Samurai(french and Japanese collaboration) Klaus, also allot of games cut scenes and trailers use this style

[@etienne8110]

Especially the french school of animation. They have the culture of manga since the 80s (the mysterious golden cities, ulysse31 etc...) and have the animation national schools (gobelins, artfx, and the national school of arts). Alongside the financial support of the state and of a couple producers, making french animation films possible. This lead to the country having it s own school (as in style) of animation, with everything from training to post production.

[@simpson6700]

i had no idea blue eye samurai was french as well, the dialog struck me as very american and i couldn't finish it.

[@Lyendith]

6:25 Don’t worry, that’s because they tricked you by hiring a Belgian singer.

[@altinopop6664]

And Fortiche Studio is french, so the whole animation part was made by french.

[@ratedr7845]

​@altinopop6664 he's talking about the song, not the animation, ffs

[@janisen07]

only the male singer tho (Stromae), the female singer (Pomme) is French

[@flyghostdimension4621]

Yes Pomme is 100% french, and can we say Stromae is 50% french (even 60%) so the song is at least 75% french. So it's french by majority. Vive la democracy, vive la France (if the song wouldn't have been good I would have say 100% Belgium... I admit 😂)

[@SirensLament]

@@flyghostdimension4621 he's not 60% french though, his parents are Belgian/rwandan lol

[@ankokuraven]

Arcane was proof that art still captivates an audience more than product.

[@fan4every1lol89]

Puss in Boots : The Last Wish Spiderverse Arcane these 3 are perfection.

[@marcbuisson2463]

If you want some other french recommandations, go watch "The Summit of the Gods", "Wolfwalkers", "Mutafukaz", "Persepolis", and the animated serie "Le Parfum d'Iraq", which you may struggle to find in english on youtube but is incredibly worth it. There's a long tradition in France of political animation, especially for people from the middle east.

[@eow4317]

The last wish is extremely overrated

[@ylilin]

People PLEASE watch The Last Wish and The Wild Robot.

[@fan4every1lol89]

@@eow4317 how come?

[@Lea520]

Only S1 for Arcane. S2 is just the shippers' wet dream

[@Raiaka]

11:02 This top laner can barely breathe now after choking on my drink from laughter.

[@strider2175]

I suppose I'm just weird, because there was never a point where I felt the story was going too fast, or things were out of place to me. Mel's discovery of her birthright as a mage at the hands of the Black Rose made sense, given the clues of how Ambessa was fleeing from someone in Noxus, and Mel's sudden glow and protective ability at the council attack. And no, Zaun and Piltover were not fine to work together in the end. Seveka and most of the Zaunites rejected Jace's appeal for help; it took Jinx to bring them to the fight. And I don't know how anyone could miss the looks of disgust by the rest as Seveka took her place on the council. All of the points are there to be seen. Like some of the best stories, the devil is in the details. And no, I didn't catch them all either, and I'm still finding new ones.

[@E_D___]

I agree. It is funny seeing people complain "They ignored the Zaum-Poltover conflict, and it is just "solved" in the end" → when as you said, we can clearly see that the rest of the council hates the idea of giving Zaun a sit on the table

[@АндрейЕлисеев-ы6й]

I mean...pretty much the same thing happened in WW2, especially when it was over, of course not as rosy but still the essence is the same. I liked the theme of the season, I think life is like that, do things just happen one after the other? Sometimes it's just a hurricane you can't keep up with.

[@NoNO-hc2jj]

yeah im in the same boat

[@MolezHD]

@@E_D___council not liking sevika = conflict being addressed? Lol, and why tf did sevika even get a seat on the council? Apart from us (the Audience) nobody in piltover knows who the fuck she is lmao. What did she do to earn herself a council seat? It makes no sense

[@Thunderworks]

I agree too.

[@brilliantsableye2591]

They play Enemy and the one french song in the radio from time to time. How am I supposed to not think about Arcane every day?

[@vilxxblack2472]

Where is that radio?

[@sushiroll3795]

The best way I can phrase my opinions on season 2: It's honestly worse than season 1. But season 1 was one of the best shows ever put on TV, so that's REALLY not saying much. It's like going from a perfect 10 to a 9.6.

[@NamelessThun]

imo its much worse than 1, but a lot of shows are outright bad, and s2 arcane definitely isnt bad.

[@mirm0n]

9.6 is too much, I'd give it an 8.5 because the story brings it down way too much

[@Tahmaysu]

No show is perfect. Season 1 was a 9 in my opinion. Season 2 is more like a 7. Still outstanding animation, great music, but the writing isn't as good. The final act was also rushed.

[@Plo1154]

I'm apparently in the minority but I liked season 2 way more than 1. First season I respect and it was good but season 2 I couldn't wait to see what happens next, my experience of watching it was very different and much more positive. Visually as well it somehow looks way better which I didn't think could happen Only thing I can assume here is that I just don't value character drama as much as other people

[@dertgok9813]

@@Plo1154 You aren't really, there's a lot of people who liked season 2 as much as season 1. I noticed that those who have problems with second season have short attention span or don't really care about the plot.

[@raad09]

my favorite quote that describes arcane is from a youtube comment i saw once and it stuck with me about how to describe how visually unbelievable arcane looks : "24 wallpapers a second"

[@OzzyZxZ]

absolute cinema

[@minglou2019]

GLORIOUS cinema

[@ioresult]

11:59 "There is beauty in imperfections". That one is so perfect! You need an award for using that quote so perfectly!

[@evgenkhersonets880]

It's not really 250 mil. 80 mil was spent on S1 and 100 mil was on S2.

[@nyuu444]

Where did the other 70 mil go?

[@jcm2606]

@@nyuu444 Marketing and other expenses that aren't directly related to production.

[@fan4every1lol89]

I wonder how much the budget was allocated for the music alone.

[@nyuu444]

@@jcm2606 probably refurbishing executive office and Christmas bonuses to all the board members

[@1whitedan]

@@nyuu444 you know....this one time i will allow it....they did allow greatness to happen after all.

[@SilverGeFer]

7:30 This is so true. At the end of Episode 6, knowing there were only three episodes left, all I could think about was “Okay they have at least one episode to wrap up everything before the season finale. Don’t mess it up.” And then Episode 7 happened and it was all just a “what if” episode that went literally nowhere since it’s all in an alternate universe. At that point, I knew they would never have time to wrap up everything. To me, Season 2 suffered from a lot of screen time misuse. All the Mel scenes, I would have cut honestly. I didn’t think she brought anything to the plot of Season 2 and after Season 1, her character was pretty much done with so I don’t know why they didn’t have her die in the explosion.

[@earbitter]

Piltover vs Zaun not being the focus is one of the main critiques I hear, but I think they did an alright job addressing it. Zaun’s independence was Silco’s ambition, and for the most part it died with him. The chem barons had a whole conversation where the general outcome was they are more interested in taking power in the Undercity than fighting Piltover. Additionally, there was a rally to try and drum up support, but without Jinx, no one was truly inspired to rise up. On top of that, a bunch of the people she showed up to save were killed by Warwick as he entered Stillwater. All this led to a general lack of desire to help topside in the war, but in the end the undercity came to Piltover’s aid, earning them a seat at the table. And that’s really what was needed in the first place. The Undercity now has a voice on the counsel, actual representation. Just like in our world, the counsel tried to slap a bandaid on the problems facing the city with Hextech instead of addressing the root cause of the disease, and now there is a real chance to fix the problems, especially with the only 2 creators of Hextech in Jayce and Viktor seemingly gone forever.

[@dertgok9813]

Gigguk was just lazy to make a proper analysis. Sometimes it seems that his chat writes the script for the video.

[@kayzaac]

I think people will always have those critiques regardless, specifically because of how much time felt "wasted" on the Piltover vs Zaun conflict in the first season. Like it or hate it, humans want closure in order to feel satisfied. And when you set something up like the Zaun conflict to be so grand that the inciting incidents and climaxes of the first season evolve around said conflict, pivoting away from it to do the more overarching theme of Viktor's perfectionism will feel jarring without time in the oven. People enjoyed seeing the arguably skippable interactions of politics that the first season presented. How the heads of certain factions felt, and what would be the best steps to take. It was a part of the show's heart. Sure you can logically deduce how the outcomes and rationales of season 2's events makes sense in hindsight, but do the viewers feel like they were as much a part of the whole journey as they were in season 1? It's those kinds of extra scenes that really make a story feel complete ad consistent.

[@dertgok9813]

@@kayzaac Those feelings are subjective. Some people created their own version of how things should have been unfolded in the show based of their perception. However they shouldn't expect that the story they imagined must be the only story that is possible. The authors job is to make a consistent and logical chain of events, which was done great in Arcane.

[@kayzaac]

@@dertgok9813 Personally I believe a great author's job is to do a bit more than that, and still consider the most likely feelings among the audience. In any case, sure. An author doesn't have to capitulate to people's feelings about how a story should go, but people don't have to act like they enjoy it when they have a common grievance with it. Blade cuts both ways, etc. Up to the author if they want that 10/10 audience rating.

[@dertgok9813]

@@kayzaac Well, some people felt the story was rushed, others didn't. In the end, authors made the right choice to prioritize the story structure.

[@unknowndragon2831]

I have achieved trash taste 0:12

[@jiinxxypoo]

league is ass

[@alskdjf12]

@@jiinxxypoonice opinion, where did you find it? At the ‘common opinions that people scroll past because it’s so brainless to say you look like less than a faceless crowd because you stand out by not standing out’ store?

[@NationalRunescape]

​@@alskdjf12 you really got deep in your feelings there

[@llama_wehraboo7274]

Haven't seen this channel in a while, good to be back :D

[@davidnagy1046]

Jayce: my best friend turned into magic Zuko: that's rough buddy

[@m4z805]

Zuko trying to listen to Jayce but gets too confused 5 words in due to hextech wizardry.

[@dorafatima10]

Vi: cupcakke Catilynn: And there goes my character arc

[@babblingbrookanimations]

Hi, animator here. It seems like the one big problem that we all can agree on is that we wish we had more. And honestly THAT is a big statement. We wanted MORE Arcane to really flesh out the entire story. No other issues, we wanted more. THAT speaks volumes.

[@spartanB0292]

Season 1 was clearly written much better, and is probably overall the "better" half of the show. But goddamn, i think i like Season 2 so much more. I recognized all the missteps with the the writing in the moment, but I couldn't deny just how much emotion the show got out of me. The Vander flashback, the dance with Ekko and Powder, the first faceoff between Victor and Jayce. In a year where I've felt like I've just been staring at screens consuming content, Arcane made me sit up in my chair, pause the show out of fear, and shout out in triumph. As a full package it might have been assembled haphazardly, but it feels like more than the sum of its parts. I doubt I'll ever feel as strongly about a piece of media again until Spider-verse 3 comes out.

[@GravitasZero]

Just a reminder that Studio Fortiche is french. Just as small reminder to the usual troupe of France/French haters online, enjoy the show ;)

[@E_D___]

Only French animators will have the balls to make the sex scene of Vi x Caitlyn. In case you didnt know, the original scene was even longer - but it was cut to get a PG13 rating

[@MazDance]

I think you summed it up perfectly when you said that the quality of season one made the problems with season 2 feel even worse. It went from my favourite/most anticipated show ever, to something that was just *ok* and that was somehow even more disappointing than just watching a bad show.

[@MrBenim27]

@gigguk I dont know if someone else wrote this in the comments, probably has for sure. But one of the critics about the Piltover vs Nation of Zaun conflict you mentioned was that it got pushed to the side, but it was still the main conflict. As Silco said to Jinx/Powder: “I think the cycle only ends when we find the will to walk away.” No one in Piltover, Upper or Lower part of the entire city, or Zaun for that matter rather, forgot anything. They all remembered, they all mourn the deaths of their loved ones, family and friends. But they found the will to move forward, to let a endless conflict rest, it needed it bigger threat in a way, but that will probably always be the case with humans, fictional or real. Servika being a part of the council is a massive step forward to what we had in arcane season 1. I didnt mind the fast pacing we had to be honest. Making it less fast paced, could still have had problems or just make the episodes even more convoluted without resolving any more plot points for most viewers.

[@mutantmagnet]

Great video. It mostly encapsulates my feelings so well on season 2. I had very high hopes and it made a bunch of mistakes that cratered those hopes. It isn't only the writing that was off, the way they interweaved music, and the editing and direction took a hit as well. The Riot Games side of this collaborative effort need to reexamine how they did so well in season 1 so they don't mess up their next project in presumably Noxus. As for the Fortiche side they can mostly continue doing what they did to contribute to this collaboration because their artwork has managed to improve over season 1. I'm still amazed over what they have managed to pull off on the visual arts side. I say mostly because Fortiche also had to share responsibilities with direction. They need to reexamine what went sideways there as well.

[@KaiserTheDemon]

Loved season 2, and your joke at 11:00 to 11:27 is hysterical One thing I kept thinking when watching it was a sense of deja vu and I realized it is because a lot of overlap with Infinity War/Endgame - you have Viktor talking about how in all realities Jayce is the only one able to basically talk him down, essentially the 14 mil reality speech - Vi/Jinx having the Hawkeye/Widow moment playing out almost the exact same - time travel to bring something from another timeline to solve the problem with the big bad - even the fight between Cait and Ambessa basically ends when Cait slight of hand cuts off what i've affectionately referred to as the Riven Runes from the arm, just like Ironman taking the Infinity Stones back from Thanos in Endgame I'm sure there is more, but this kept popping into my head

[@BettyFisher-gy4sk]

Your modesty in success is what I admire most. Keep it up!

[@natezabinski5615]

I keep seeing the same 3 criticisms of this show: 1) "I wish filler episodes existed again" 2) Pointless shipping wars 3) "They ditched the class war plotline for Noxus"

[@thewalrus45]

I do think the occasional filler episode is a good thing generally but in a show with Arcane's cost to make they just realistically can't happen.

[@Juniorlich]

I think Vi being unable to actually fight or stop Jinx was perfectly believable. People talk a good game, but when push comes to shove humans rarely actually have the resolve to change.

[@iaminokami381]

"She´s still your blood!" "Then why are you the one acting like her?" Still IMO the best moment in S2

[@PricefieldPunk]

People analyzed their fight and everyone said it really did look like just two sisters fighting. Like they were scrapping but neither of them really wanted to hurt each other, they were both like if it happens it happens, but there was no hate between them they were just going thru the motions

[@aveshlutchman8573]

@@PricefieldPunk I mean, during the fight Vi straight up *caught* Jinx when she was falling, that pretty much sells out how much "anger" she actually did have for her. Even if she is/was angry, actions speak louder than words, in the midst of battle she still subconsciously tried to protect her.

[@danutghidia5820]

​​@@PricefieldPunkJinx shot her gattling gun and a rocket in Vi's face. I think you can drop the both are not trying to kill each other. VI's could have crushed her a few times, so yes Vi was holding back more

[@gortys3929]

Stellar animation and music. If only I wasn`t lost with the plot sometime half way, I would understood what this is all about.

[@kyuzairen5383]

Nah the plot gets pretty awkward as the second season goes along. I didn't really feel anything about the characters past the halfway point apart from Episode 7.

[@AjrinTasnim]

​@@kyuzairen5383 exactly

[@cristhiangabriel8453]

I'll never forgive netflix for chopping half of what should be the last episode and leave so many things unsaid. It was still amazing but the thought that we could have seen WAY more is just frustrating

[@Zephyr314]

There was going to be more?

[@Zephyr314]

There was going to be more?

[@Hirominator404]

@@Zephyr314 Yes, about 30 minutes were cut from the last episode. I don't know if the other episodes were cut too or not.

[@ajiththomas2465]

That was Riot Games who paid for the $250 million production. Not Netflix who just paid for the distribution. So the blame is kore on Riot for not wanting to spend the time and effort for a Season 3. Honestly, I feel like Season 2 should've been 2 Seasons. The second season should be focused on the Zaun vs Piltover War and actually fleshing out and explore the dynamics and fallout of the world and conflict. And also have Caitlyn face consequences from her Dictator Arc. Just give more time to flesh out the Zaun and Piltover characters, their relationships, and development. And then Season 3 should've been the Cosmic Machine Herald Viktor Revolution Arc. If they'd have done that, Arcane would've ended on peak.

[@mutantraze3681]

The showrunners said themselves it wasnt “cut”. They removed mainly action scenes from the initial cut because the animation studio was NOT finishing in time if they had to add another 30 mins of animation

[@MrDisphoric]

I think the biggest shift is that S1 was character driven, while S2 was plot driven. It changes a lot about not only the pacing but the whole FEEL to a lot of the scenes.

[@derekskelton4187]

I think your really glossing over the ending. They haven't forgotten any of the conflicts, and if the show continues Piltover and Zaun will come to blows again. I can definitely agree some of the side characters don't get to do much other than fight, but the general plot doees work better than you're saying. They don't need an outright line of dialogue to address every plot point when they show it in the characters faces

[@mutantmagnet]

Successful youtube videos are usually under 12 minutes. He crammed as much info as he could. If you want Gigguks more elaborate thoughts watch his live streams.

[@NerdyDumbProductions]

Why does this oddly sound as parroting of what the Co creator said in a stream and his meltdown post on Reddit?

[@ratedr7845]

​@@NerdyDumbProductions because it is

[@aveshlutchman8573]

@@NerdyDumbProductions What meltdown post?

[@MrPhilsterable]

You can definitely see that everything isn't all hunky-dory between Piltover and Zaun when you see the looks on the new councilors faces as they see Sevika (and hers as well).

[@kylecyrus9457]

10:20 using witch of mercury music here was a god tier big brain move.

[@danieln6613]

Pretty sure that's Sins Of The Father from MGS5

[@Farah56]

They should pay more to offer us therapy after the show

[@wandering.prince.prajwal]

Then don't watch .your lie in April Madoka magica Angel beats

[@person3714]

I have nothing but love for Arcane.

[@firdhanraeyzandikapoernomo9837]

The fact it is the same studio that made the Stupid Rabbit animation 😭 Yeah, it's the Rabbids.

[@terrablaze3387]

Damn, their portfolio is stacked

[@callmev3531]

12:17, If anything, this series and Spiderverse are hammering in the idea in the public zeitgeist the potential of animation as an art form to tell meaningful stories even despite whatever imperfection they specifically may have as individual works of art.

[@EduSaav]

I was expecting the League client pop of sound when finding a game at the end as a garnt joke

[@Tomas970506]

It didint raise the bar. It became the bar itself.

[@gustinex]

sexbian lex scene is incredibly important to the plot

[@_renz.c]

Fax

[@krissvanags]

nice bait

[@vilxxblack2472]

It was kind of, but the timing was kind of odd, considering Jinx essentially just told Vi she is going off herself. Idk about you but if my sister just told me that I wouldn't be thinking about scissors once I am free to try and help her.

[@thewalrus45]

it unironically is incredibly important for Vi and Caitlyns character arcs.

[@MrPhilsterable]

Season 1 was more coherent and focused, and maybe the series would have benefited from extra episodes or an extra season, but season 2 was still fantastic and I would still call it a masterpiece. Largely because they made the very wise decision of making family (and love/hatred) the heart and soul of the story, which caries on through the second season even when the plot elements are a bit more rushed.

[@thewalrus45]

a few more episodes and they'd of been equals storywise I think. a full extra season would of been worse than what we got unless they added even MORE plot. There was probably too much for 9 episodes of the length they had but definitely not enough for another 9 without having some episodes feel like nothing fucking happened.

[@neilhannan7525]

Someone made a great comment saying that the reason Arcane lost Best adaption to Fallout was because Fallout tv series is more faithful and makes you to play the games Arcane doesn't follow the lore of the league of legends it's changes it to suit the show But over all Arcane makes more happy that this show exist Netflix didn't do anything because Riot games and fortiche was paying for everything so Thank them ❤

[@kingdoom5022]

The reason arcane lost best adaptation to fallout is cause arcane S2 was trash , its just that simple

[@knightbot23]

​@@kingdoom5022dude you have a lot of time hating on a show lmao

[@roastingnerd8545]

​@@kingdoom5022 lmao ragebaiting at its finest

[@MrYuntu]

I think it's more because people cared more about Fallout show and its S2 of Arcane instead of something new. That often affects critical reception, and critics make up the majority of votes. Sometimes sequels in gaming get knocked for being "more of the same" ever since sequels that reinvented things blew up with stuff like GoW or BotW.

[@VladDascaliuc]

@@kingdoom5022 But Fallout was trash aswell, so I don't really get picking one over the other. It's the Battle of Mid all over again.

[@deecee26x]

This pretty much exactly sums up my issues with Arcane as well. We didn't need a whole third season; just a few more episodes would have polished the story up perfectly. Overall though, still one of the best shows I've ever seen, and probably the best animated show yet.

[@choty7066]

250$ is a number no league player likes RN

[@E_D___]

Lets be honest - most of the players who complain about the cost wouldnt even buy it if it was a direct sale for 20$. League of Legends was always founded by whales - but only recently Riot started to make whale centric content

[@RedRiotRoss]

I like the arcane I think Viktor deserves more arms

[@Kyaperta]

Arcane is the perfect example of just because the show you watched was one of the best shows you have ever seen. Yeah do NOT play the game if you wanna stay sane.

[@kingdoom5022]

pretty sure arcane glazers are the same idiots who say demon slayer is carried by animation yet go out of thier way to overhype shows with trash stories like arcane

[@Hohum37]

@@kingdoom5022 Obvious troll is obvious

[@ShFred]

Holy duck you have no life, spamming a copypasta in every single comment reply.

[@kingdoom5022]

@@ShFred Are you projecting lil guy

[@DeezNuggz]

your bar is below sea level

[@ZReviews]

S1 was so perfect and I felt like S2 was continuing.. I just regret not taking it 1 episode a night. There was WAYYYY too much going on. And I felt that same dread when there wasn't 12 episodes to sort it all. I just forgot about it when it ended.. Give my brain time to process.

[@tiboo6669]

Sum up perfectly everything i want to say about the show. Ty Gigguk, very nice !

[@3xplosiv0]

the animation was so good that i couldn't even focus on the story i was just blown away by what my eyes were feeling. only days later thought to myself "huh, well the narrative didn't really make sense"

[@muskanmukadam914]

Lettssgoo finally can decide to watch it or nott

[@mahoganywolf8843]

Don’t know if you’re serious, but just watch it. Don’t watch this video first, it’s full of spoilers. It’s one of the best TV shows ever made, and it’s short so not much of a time commitment in the unlikely event you don’t like it.

[@toonbax3]

Why would you watch a video first to decide to see Arcane? It's gold, at least animation-wise

[@SolusSam]

You are right it is rushed but still a beautiful series and you did not just disrespect Isha, the fucking gem of the show

[@Samuel-p17]

The next Series really has some giant shoes to fill

[@vultureneck2012]

Bro, the name of this video changes every time it pops up in my feed.

[@GRILOOGPTGAMER]

Arcane does one thing amazingly well, and that is "show, don't tell."

[@Siegpearl_of_Catarina]

you have done something I was not able to do ever since I finished S2. You culminated my feelings for S2 in one video. I sooooooooooooo Much wish that they would have made a 3rd season as they had enough content to make it through easily. I guess everyone wanting more from a series is a good sign since it means what they did was amazing

[@skillzrock2661]

Quin at 0:46 😂 Didn't expect that crossover lmao

[@Kynatosh]

Every frame of this show is wallpaper-worthy. It is crazy.

[@Torguish]

When i saw what Victor wanted to do i went "this is infinite tsukuyomi wth"

[@felipeluna9597]

Finally, someone who doesn’t ignore the faults and just focus on the things done right

[@AjrinTasnim]

Fr like ofc glaze arcane but the faults shouldnt be ignored

[@MGZetta]

One downside of an animation is, unlike movies, you can't just make a set and act, you have to animate every second of it. Writers probably has so much more stories to tell us but they can't animate every second of it. If it had 3 more episodes, it would've been perfect, however, the amount of Runeterra story they have to tell is huge and Piltover & Zaun is insignificant place compared to place like Noxis. That's why I understand they had to rush Arcane. Don't like the rush but rest of the Runeterra makes it easier to tolerate. They openly said they will learn from their mistakes responding to the criticism which is a welcome statement.

[@DrDodo-mi7if]

Animation is a lot more time consuming, but I also think it is way more expresive than regular film. You can put way more intentions and meaning behind individual scenes. You also have very specific shooting times. When filming is wrapped up you basically have to go with it. With animation you can change things up to the last moments.

[@fan4every1lol89]

10 episodes maybe

[@yatharthrai4658]

The thing is they had a perfect setup for season 2 that could've easily been wrapped up in 9 eps. It's the whole Noxian raid, Black Rose arc, the new chr like Loris and fish guy...that ultimately did not justify not finishing up the stories that were already setup.

[@isa_noodle]

If I remember correctly, 4 seconds of animation took one week of animation time. An extra 2-3 episodes could have added an extra year to make + millions of more dollars to make.

[@DrDodo-mi7if]

@@isa_noodle Episode 9 was originally 1 hour and 30 minutes but Netflix wanted to cut it down. Also the extended romance scene with Cait and Vi, there was a significant of content that was cut. Most of it will have a good reason for it. So it wouldn't necesserily have cost more. But the longer final episode would have cleared up some things, even though I loved this season anyway.

[@bencebertok9458]

Great video and superb editing just as always. Thank you for your hard work.

[@SOoshi_art]

The writing is so clever for this series. The way they were able to tie in so many of the characters sidequests into one story that all connects is genius, albeit a little messy, but it could have gone way worse.

[@Barlos843]

Completely agree with you

[@AjrinTasnim]

For me conclusion matters a lot so unfortunately it gets 7/10 😢

[@mordor2594]

Idk if you'll see this, probably not, but Arcane has always been much more than a series for me. Story of Jinx and Vi, always fighting for love and recognition but something or the other getting in the way. The whole concept of "breaking the cycle" was so bittersweet but necessary. The way they showed human emotions, the character writing feeling so real, as someone going through depression, this show was a deep look into myself. Jinx is probably one of the best characters ever written. This show embodies the spirit of the line "what could've been". The animation is so good that it almost makes me cry every time I watch it. Is this a cry for help? probably-probably not, but this show moved me like nothing else. First of all thank you for appreciating this show always, it truly means the world to me that you genuinely liked this. This show wasn't perfect, but it goddamn went close to it, but it gives us the hope that maybe one day we will get there..Just want to end this with mentioning Viktor's line from the show "There is no prize to perfection, only an end to pursuit".

[@fungamerz9788]

Intro was hilarious

[@datwee7576]

I dont get why anyone thinks the ending is a "everyone just forgot their differences" ending the way something like AOT is. Its very clear at the end that the city and dynamics are still fundamentally the same. Sure Zaun has ONE seat at the table now, but they are still looked down on by everyone. They banded together for survival and as soon as the threat passed it was back to the way things were. Also my personal headcanon is the Arcane studio knew how to make the perfect season and creating the first perfect show and put the "no prize to perfection" line just to say we wanted to give yall a chance and let other things ever get made

[@racosand6033]

Season 1 10/10 Season 2 8/10 Jinx is alive

[@НесторБескибалов]

Season 1 9/10 Season 2 7/10 Victor is alive

[@MegaSKyFall]

Season 1 10/10 Season 2 9.9/10

[@denisjon6873]

@@НесторБескибалов Season 1: 9.5/10 Season 2: 8.5/10

[@НесторБескибалов]

@@MegaSKyFall ?

[@idzhamhaqim3528]

Ever since your first arcane video, I checked everyday for the second season's video from you daily since I finished arcane. Great work Gigguk!

[@elllo_]

Man has reached enlightenment.

[@CloudMountainJuror]

Personally I think any pacing issues could have been alleviated by just a few more minutes of resolution at the end - this could have particularly helped with the Piltover/Zaun conflict follow-up. That’s my one real criticism of season 2. I didn’t have an issue with any of the pacing before the final episode. I don’t think it was ever truly rushed, just extremely efficient. Season 2 trusted the audience a lot more than season 1 to pick up on and interpret things. At any rate, season 2 act 2 was one of the most impactful TV viewing experiences I’ve ever had, and I will never forget Arcane for that.

[@OooEeOooAhAh]

Bro just finished a league game WITHOUT having seen arcane. Im the WORST

[@hakami360]

3:20 I just love you keep using Saiki K ost (It's usually Kokomi's theme).

[@Kofhiliphus]

One of the only worst things arcane did is convince people to play LoL itself.

[@titi3736]

I completly agree with the fast pace development for characters, especially Vi is the perfect example where at the beginning of an episode she's like "no way I'll ever be an enforcer" then by the end she is then by the next one she's not, then she breakup recouncil bnreak up again then by the end she's an enforcer again ect ect... It never break her character but it feels like all that development should be done over the course of multiples arcs if not seasons, not in 1 episode. On the other hand it took them 3 years to animated season 2 so I can understand that they have to make action (and story) packed episodes if they don't want to spend 15 years to finish the arcane storyline and expand to other stories. I'm sure if it was less costly in both time and money they would take more time to explore relationships and other stuff even deeper but when it takes a few days opf work to animate 1 sec I guess they need to take shortcuts sometimes. So I get both point.

[@BugsyFoga]

The money is on the screen

[@jonedvinz]

I agree that the central conflict was not neatly resolved. But watching Ekko repeatedly try to save Jinx life is still good televison

[@altinopop6664]

I love the part where he's like "they made me almost appreciate a FRENCH music" while praising the animation made by a french studio, (seriously did he not watch any documentary on arcane ? The staff at Fortiche barely know how to speak english)