We Need To Talk About How BATMAN Uses Kids....

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So BAtman usually had sidekicks, and more often than not, those side kicks, Robin for example, are kids. Is this ok? Lets discuss...
#batman #robin #batmanlore

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

I remembered in one of the documentary that Stan Lee had done was called “superheroes unmasked” and how he voiced his displeasure about child sidekicks. And how the courts would go after the guy for endangering a minor, boy how times have changed on that.

[@racheljackson4428]

Even The Joker himself hated the sidekicks because they get in the way of he and batman's rivalry.

[@micahrutland9021]

He sure was happy to waste Jason Todd. In the comics, he was sweating from excitement while he was beating Robin with that infamous crowbar.

[@uninspiredghost]

As a child of abuse. I always found robin to be a comforting and relatable character. Especially in young justice as it covered the heroes psyché

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

Yeah there doesn't need to be an in universe reason for him. The reason is he wants to fight crime. I was always under the impression batman didn't take him for EVERY mission, only some. That's how it was in BTAS (well he wasn't a kid but still) and The Batman 2004.

[@sdcard7129]

Jason Todd : " But what if I get captured? Like by someone like the Joker " Batman : " We all gotta die of something Robin "

[@wesleygriffiths8748]

Alright, let’s be completely fair here, Bruce had NOTHING to do with Jason getting captured. Jason’s own MOTHER sold him out to the Joker.

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

Yeah​@@wesleygriffiths8748

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

​@@wesleygriffiths8748and he died saving her

[@Bettytinish]

I disagree about the claim, the writers do make mistakes. Nobody's perfect

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

@wesleygriffiths8748 bro this comment made me rethink everything because we all grew up with different versions of Death in the family, not the original. So most don't remember his mom at first glance

[@jayb8934]

There’s no two ways about it, it’s messed up. That’s why they’ve avoided addressing it in any of the modern live action films.

[@kodabear2856]

Yeah, when it’s a cartoon or comic, it’s easy to dismiss it, but take it to real life and it becomes a different story…at this point, like you said, no matter how you look at it, it still feels wrong 🤔. Shut up and let me love my robins 😭😭😭

[@miekari404]

It is, that's why gunn prefer damian for the robin in dcu batman

[@billloney2567]

Arguments could be made as to why the Robins were such good sidekicks and were efficient in aiding Batman in his war on crime Dick Grayson - A trained acrobat who was easily able to pick up the skills needed not only to fend for himself, but to grow to be stronger and fight alongside Batman Jason Todd - A street rat who had already picked up an effective fighting style over his life, his boldness was greater than his fear and thanks to Batman was able to channel that rage and enhance his hand to hand combat capabilities Carrie Kelley - A girl who’s good with a slingshot and good at following orders, she was able to save Batman’s life and earn a place at his side due to her great potential Tim Drake - A master detective, almost as smart as Batman himself, knows how to handle himself with a staff and he singlehandedly was able to bring Batman back into the light after Jason had died Stephanie Brown - Already a vigilante who trained herself in order to be able to fight against her father, the Cluemaster Damian Wayne - Despite being very young when he became Robin, he was raised in secret as an assassin from birth, having already been trained in nearly every form of martial arts, and he was taught very well how to use any weapon he came across to his advantage

[@UltraVioletKnight]

Why does Batman wear dark colors? Becuz Batman doesn't want to get shot. Why does Robin wear bright colors? Well... bc batman doesn't want to get shot.

[@Rengokuo4o6]

Yes, let's ignore that the bright colours was for dick grayson because he wanted to honour his parents the flying grayson.

[@ProteinDevourer]

That’s why I liked Batman taking in older versions of robins, instead of children.

[@Bettytinish]

The role of parents is important. They should encourage their children to be brave and take actions according to their abbilities, like calling the police or get out of dangerous situations or mengle with wrong people. The children heroes can be a source of justice or good example for kids that are abused or going through hard times. Maybe I am wrong, but the question asked in this video is too broad to be easily discussed or simplified.

[@user-ku1kj8wv6z]

I like in Superman & Batman: Generations, the way Alfred justifies it is just saying, "It was a different time back then." Like yeah, child labour was totally a thing back then too.

[@charliecarstensen6840]

From what I remember the robins there too watch batman 6 not only that brush wasn't getting younger and started to slow down just a little that's way think he took on a side kick

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

Batman when he sees an orphan teenager: I will teach you real Kung Fu

[@thecreatornooj1328]

From an ethical standpoint, no, It's not ethical for him to have kids out here fighting crime. But if we look at things that have happened in comics, we find that the reasons for these kids being his sidekicks are legitimate and that he does take measures to protect and shelter them. - Dick: Bruce encountered him as Batman repeatedly on the streets of Gotham, looking for his parent's killer. Dick had the same anger that Bruce did after his parents were killed, and was taking the same path. After realizing that Dick wasn't going to stop looking for Justice, he revealed his secret. Later, Dick convinces Bruce to let him help. Dick even debuted his costume and Vigilante persona without Bruce's authorization. Bruce was NOT quick to take the boy on, and only did it to prevent him from fully succumbing to Bruce's own mindset. And we have also seen what Dick becomes without Bruce's guidance. He becomes a gun-wielding shoot-first-ask-later vigilante akin to the Punisher (A Booster Gold story shows this). Under Batman, he's well adjusted and better off than Bruce himself could ever hope to be. -Jason: In the original story, Bruce drops Jason at a re-education school. It was only after the re-education school was revealed to be a corrupt gang operation that turned kids into criminals that Bruce took him in and trained him. There have been several iterations of this story though where this didn't happen. But in the end, Bruce wanted to guide Jason on the right path and wound up failing. -Tim: In New Earth's continuity, Tim became Robin to help Batman emotionally. In the Prime Earth continuity though, he saw Batman as a means to an end. That version of Tim would be doing what he does regardless of Bruce. His relationship with Batman is probably what saved him on that path. -Stephanie: Bruce actively opposed her presence as Spoiler and as Robin, and used her tenure as Robin in an attempt to dissuade her from being a Vigilante. She did not stop. He accepted her after she proved herself while he was presumed Dead. -Damian: I really shouldn't even have to explain it. The kid was groomed to be an assassin that would take over the world. He had a kill count in the hundreds (Year of Blood). Bruce intervened and set him on a path that filled the boy's need for purpose, curbed the bloodlust he had been programed with, and taught him a moral code. So overall, their situations are more complex than the ethics give room for. And that is the world Batman Lives in. Bruce is trying to do the best he can by them all. There's a different discussion to be had about writers making him abusive towards them for the sake of Drama. That's often out of character, but it happens for the sake of edginess, especially in Tom King's run, or in books where the MC is one of the Robins and NOT Batman.

[@Bettytinish]

This slight change in color in logo, from red to blue or grey would dramatically improve the look of the channel trailer, not to mention some clarity in some phrames, few punches and more boldness before appearance. Batmobile clearer etc.

[@ozlemaktas6446]

It’s no better or worse than the back story of Black Widow having been raised and trained as a child spy and assassin. These are fictional comic book stories and they’re allowed delve into the realms of fantasy. There again, is art that is inspired by and imitates life or the other way around? Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Fictional literature may or may not have something to say about reality and may or may not be a study of real life issues but such themes and issues and are always open to interpretation. No two people are going to read the same thing and understand it in exactly the same way as we all bring to bear a whole repertoire of memories and experiences that make us who we are every time we read comics, novels or what have you. Let us not add Batman to the pile of literature banned by cancel culture just because the young Robin aspect might be objectionable.

[@johnpittsii7524]

Thanks for the amazing video ❤

[@Ahzuv2]

if it were up to me i'd make it to where Grayson was adopted by bruce and grayson finds out that he was a vigilante and chooses to work alongside his adoptive father, bruce is reluctant but ends up deciding to train him for a few years, and then they go on patrol After grayson leaves, jason is adopted to be robin because batman needs robin to keep him clearheaded, but batman realizes that it had gone too far with these children sidekicks after jason is killed. Tim becomes robin on his own, in his early twenties Damian chooses to do it aswell, because he'd been raised to be a warrior people like carrie kelly, really make no sense and are a product of their time they were created

[@miekari404]

I just realize thats why they make damian, no ones gonna complain about robin is a kid sidekick battling with psycho villain when hes also a psycho just like batman

[@andrewretherford8622]

And trained by some of the best fighters in the world in the Legie of Shadows/Assassins + Ras

[@that1guyEli_jah]

I love Robin he is my favorite DC character there’s a reason they keep the robins around Robin saved Batman comics

[@dannyfromet6257]

Even batman said it was irresponsible in the crisis crossover

[@x.gotham.x]

the greatest sidekick

[@prosperotorres7965]

It’s an alternate universe where morals and laws are slightly different. GCPD works publicly with Bat Squad in some interpretations. How would that even work? Other crime fighters do this too like the Flash but yeah Batman did it first and to date has had more protégés than any other Cape 😂

[@daghettoghost5539]

Well at the very least he's facing child endangerment charges

[@Hewhodoesthemachines]

I don’t have a problem with it because a few of the sidekicks are my favourite characters growing up in nowadays do you know that the concept of kids in dangerous situations exist because child soldiers exist? There’s been billions of example in war where they’ve used children

[@kennytanza]

I think u forget to announce the winner of giveaway, whose the winner bro?

[@GODemon13]

For anyone who may be confused, he's saying Child Side Kick, not Child Psychic.

[@ninetales9986]

actually being a vigilante is wrong🦇 so technically everything is wrong here😅, but everything is ok👌

[@micahrutland9021]

I understand that Dick Grayson was something special and an extremely gifted youngster, so I can see Batman partnering with him, but it's hard to see why Batman continued after Dick left. I also always had a hard time believing Alfred, Commissioner Gordon, Superman, etc. being OK with it. That being said, I have always enjoyed the dynamic of there being a Robin and multiple Robins.

[@richiehayes7911]

Hey man are you still going to do the 6th ranger channel

[@thebatcave111]

Yeah!! For sure. Just not as often at the moment 😊

[@racheljackson4428]

@@thebatcave111PLEASE DO a Wesley Collins video.

[@HappyBirthdayRoboto]

In my opinion, it depends on how realistic a version of Batman they're going with, if it's set in a world as close to reality as possible like Chris Nolan's take, Robin doesn't work except as maybe an adult, if they're going for a more fantasy based version, it can be set in a world where kid crime fighters are normal. When they did the Batman TMNT crossover the sci-fi/comedy tone of the turtles allowed for good use of the Batman family, in Brave and the Bold the Silver Age inspired take llowed for some good stories with kid sidekicks. The problem is Batman was created at a time when no-one analysed comics to this extent and as the world has changed so has the ways the audience perceive the characters.

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

Yeah exactly. The kid sidekicks weren't meant to be analyzed. The trope can be in a other medium like Brat Pack but Robin himself should not be.

[@user-lp8im7ow8s]

Alfred exists you know,that basically answers your question also Batman keeps the souvenirs in order to help them deal with the trauma not to mention all of the children are incredibly gifted as well

[@Christian_Ada1]

No child is “gifted “ to fight grind men It’s funny how you guys buy into that nonsense

[@marquislexil]

​@@Christian_Ada1it's funny how you say "you guys" like child sidekicks isn't the underlying issue for you.

[@marquislexil]

​@@Christian_Ada1it's funny how you say "you guys" like child sidekicks isn't the underlying issue for you.

[@user-fl9te5ur2n]

Who’s your favourite robin?

[@ninetales9986]

Dick, Jason is good, but not as Robin But Carrie is good too

[@hungryalmighty7156]

The thing about Robin being a kid is that at the end of the day the dc world is a fictional world. That may seem like a cop out answer but hear me out. In the world of dc there are a lot things that would be considered unrealistic in real life but accepted in that world. For example Superman disguise as Clark Kent is literally just glasses, in real life an average out there would’ve been figured out clark is Superman. The joker has done so much stuff that in real life he would’ve been got the death penalty. These are things where u have to suspend ur disbelief and take the world for what it is because it’s fiction

[@Christian_Ada1]

Yeah it’s a cop out that male readers are ok with s child beating up a man But a woman beating a msn in fiction men go crazy with anger It’s kinda insane when you dwell on it the mental state of a male mind

[@hungryalmighty7156]

@@Christian_Ada1 huh wtf lol

[@killuafanboy3812]

​@Christian_Ada1 I'm OK with it, when it's done well. I like wonder women, Batgirl, Xena, Catwoman.

[@CouchCit]

"That may seem like a cop out answer but hear me out" There's no need to hear you out; it's a cop out answer and it's yet another one that DC and their fans tell themselves to excuse the outdated nonsense. Get with the times already.

[@hungryalmighty7156]

@@CouchCit there’s no need to get all mad about it. I bet ur one of those guys who can’t suspend ur disbelief on a character getting recast cause it’s not “realistic”. I bet u actually believe that Batman is only “peak human” and apply ur own real life head canon on to what Batman is or is not capable of cause u don’t know how to suspend ur disbelief

[@myconiusmaximus1022]

Batman is fictional, and so are his sidekicks. No one was really in any danger.

[@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain]

Could they have become worse without Batman??? Their need for vengeance leading them into the hand of the criminal underworld or to supervillains??? Perhaps Batman training and using them as sidekicks was simply the least worst option.

[@scottjuhnke6825]

No. It's a comic book.

[@ShirouBrando]

There is a comic showing what would happen if bruce wasn't there for them and they all turned out worse Bruce didn't make them be robin they chose to be

[@kidcourage5777]

This💯 especially Tim Drake lmao

[@CouchCit]

Yes, I'm sure they all turn out better...as long as they're not getting beat to death with a crow bar, or ya know, dying...

[@ShirouBrando]

@@CouchCit just go read the comic instead of acting like a smart ass

[@Bettytinish]

The point about the claim is probably using children and immorality of Batman comics, and the claim is based on wrong assumption. It's almost like claiming the caped crusader is real and that he is using children as well, which is nonsence. If Batman got age rating or whatever, that should be it. The problem and the main one behind it is child abuse and that is another and more complicated topic, too broad for comments section.

[@AhmadSendos]

You butchered your own argument at Michael Jackson!! 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@carloscrecelius9597]

Why is Robin called the Boy Wonder? Because we wonder why Batman dressed a kid in pantyhose and panties and took him to a deserted rooftop at 3 in the morning.

[@Rengokuo4o6]

Why are we acting like Batman is the only hero who has sidekicks.

[@ninetales9986]

no, but the Batman and Robin duo are the most famous among superheroes, I think that’s why

[@Rengokuo4o6]

@@ninetales9986 True, i wish people remember that anytime they want to level the child endangerment thing on Batman and only Batman. It is very hypocritical and just bias.

[@muticere]

I'm actually a huge proponent of Schumacher Robin. I think he managed to thread the needle and find a way to do Robin in the modern age without making it too weird. All the pitfalls people bring up as to why you can't do modern Robin (he's too young, it looks like child grooming, the outfit makes no sense, you can't have a character named "Dick") Schumacher was able to solve: he's a young adult so he doesn't need to be adopted and isn't being groomed, he goes by Richard and only later occasionally as Dick, his outfit is a tactical version of the Flying Graysons performing outfits which is basically the comic accurate Robin costume. Also he manages to do the thing for Batman that Robin has often done when he's introduced in other media: he brings him out of the dark and into a more positive state of mind. And the elegance of how Schumacher fixes the problem of "well, why is he with Batman if he's an adult and can just go get a job?" The answer being: he wants revenge for the murder of his family and so Batman becomes his mentor to help guide him and make sure he doesn't just become another thug.

[@CouchCit]

"Why use guns, when I can use children instead?" - This has been a sticking point for me with the character's depiction for a long time. DC comics want to have their cake and eat it too; they don't want to let go of antiquated elements of their characters because it makes them money. If you gonna have a gotdamn adult using kids to help him fight crime then fine, just don't have the same adult also acting hollier-than-thou, preaching to everyone about not using guns or killing as well. BTW in the Crisis on Infinite Earths animated movie, the solo version of Batman literally tells others how having a young sidekick is extraordinarily irresponsible and dangerous.