They've successfully sued the Victoria state government in Australia, RUCs have now been abolished, and everyone refunded. We should try something similar here in NZ.
@Joeseph-t2e11 ай бұрын
I have no issue with RUCs for everyone so long as they remove the taxes from petrol.
@grantchin152611 ай бұрын
@@Joeseph-t2e they will remove the petrol excise tax but you will still be worse off unless your car guzzles gas at a rate higher than approx. 9L/100km. Bear in mind that they will also progressively add ETS tax as well......
@dsndicmsa714111 ай бұрын
@@Joeseph-t2e try not drinking paint and road taxes will not seem scary
@JohnoEx10 ай бұрын
Not gonna work in NZ as there is already RUC for diesel. in Australia it was a new concept and they tried to bring it at state level so it failed. Eventually there will be a federal level tax on EVs in Australia but for now Australia has none. The court ruling wasn't about the validity of the tax, the ruling was that a state government can't collect it, so it was overturned. Excise taxes are collected by federal gov in Australia.
@jasoncatt10 ай бұрын
@@JohnoEx What a shame lol....
@Sweatybusdrivers9 ай бұрын
I think that the New Zealand prime minister eats toenails for brainfood . 😊
@pvChrists-Bond.Servant8 ай бұрын
Lol
@nullvoid00111 ай бұрын
Have not heard anything about RUC for Petrol ICE cars. Long past time EVs and especially heavy hybrds were charged RUC.
@jasoncatt10 ай бұрын
Road used charges are added in to the cost of petrol.
@DaleKiwi11 ай бұрын
What a disgrace!! What the hell is going on in NZ… sorry to hear about that, Darryl. You’re absolutely right, it certainly doesn’t work out fair. It is penalising people with smaller vehicles… the payments aren’t relative to the fuel used. The benefit of getting a more responsible vehicle is being taken away. Terrible!
@dsndicmsa714111 ай бұрын
Naw the smug ev drivers are pissy they need to pay to use roads now... lol
@kiwibobnz981211 ай бұрын
They do it in the UK they do it in Australia what’s the big deal We need to stop being fooled by bureaucrats telling us that this is better for something because it’s not all it’s going to do is cost us money more expensive insurance more cost to upgrade infrastructure Cost to disposal all of the poisons that are left behind once these are finished with
@briansmaller744311 ай бұрын
I know a few people who have a hidden switch to turn off their odometers. Harder to do with modern cars apparently.
@sparky888611 ай бұрын
You the man Darryl we sure getting ripped in this country, go fishing in a boat and we still have to pay the road taxes in the fuel. Thats just BS too.
@DarrylTalks11 ай бұрын
Yes, petrol powered boats and jet skis. Well, you wont have to wait long until they drop the road tax out of your boat fuel. But they will more than get their money back on the RUC from you if you have an ordinary efficient petrol car.
@flordelizadiaz86345 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot, I learned so much listening to You . JESUS bless You!
@gregb15994 ай бұрын
You should do an update video showing how much RUC has damaged EV sales and huge EV depreciation! We brought a demo Kia EV6 in December 2023 for $88k today. When I write this comment, we were offered just $52k on a Toyota Rav4. Last month we were offered $60k to trade in on a new Kia EV5. Our model was $118k when it was new! All the best-selling EV apart from Tesla are the EV with the most discount each month. Could you imagine being an owner of a Kia EV9 GT Line having paid $135k plus ORC in June only for Kia to drop the price to $100k! So not only have you lost that $35k but also at least another $25k in depreciation, $60k lost in just a month of ownership!
@matthewold58169 ай бұрын
you dont get ripped off if you have a switch
@ojlbrickwork809211 ай бұрын
This is the world economic forum
@pvChrists-Bond.Servant11 ай бұрын
We pay tax on wages earned we pay tax on stuff we buy we pay tax on stuff we sell we pay tax on petrol or diesel and now apparently also for electricity we generate from our own car these taxes are used to build roads then we have to pay tax to drive on roads our taxes paid for this is a Monty Python moment
@DarrylTalks11 ай бұрын
Indeed.
@grantchin152611 ай бұрын
We also pay gst on both petrol excise tax and RUC - in other words our taxes are also taxed. What we need in this country is Robin Hood!
@pvChrists-Bond.Servant11 ай бұрын
@@grantchin1526 yup
@hardworkingtaxpayer11 ай бұрын
RUC is a fairer system for all road users. Its user pays, a petrol car that weighs the same as a diesel is somehow excluded?! All cars that use the road should pay RUC regardless, but the fuel levy must be reduced or removed from the price of fuel.
@RayK23611 ай бұрын
Paying taxes is a rip off 😂
@JohanThiart11 ай бұрын
Compliance cost of RUC will be painful. Expect to see new games being played. But, ultimately, we need to move in that direction and getting started with EV’s is an obvious pathway. The reasons for getting an EV has changed significantly.
@BruceG.9 ай бұрын
When there is a tow bar on the vehicle, RUC's needs to be set as an average of what that vehicle towing capacity. :-)
@kramer2611 ай бұрын
RUC only (currently) applies to diesel vehicles. It comes from the fact that farmers (agriculture being NZ's largest economy) using diesel in their tractors and other farm equipment isn't subject to tax (similar to red diesel here in the UK), and to simplify the whole supply chain for diesel the government don't levy duty on diesel at the pump, unlike they do for petrol, hence the need to pay RUC for road-going diesel vehicles, and is based on gross vehicle tonnage, so vans, trucks and lorries pay more than cars. I would not say that EV drivers are getting ripped off since they've had it easy for so long, yet have still been using the roads and causing wear and tear on them, so it's only fair that they pay their fair share to help maintain them. If the government were to introduce RUC for petrol cars, then they would need to remove the levy from the cost of petrol at the pump (which is actually probably the fairest way to charge for road maintenance, as it's the most purest form of pay per mile).
@DarrylTalks11 ай бұрын
My whole video is about the intention to charge RUC on electric vehicles and petrol vehicles. EVs on the first of April 2024, then petrol vehicles after that. The point of my video is that efficient vehicles of all types, petrol, diesel, PHEV or EV (I even speculate motorcycles), are all charged the same RUC as a 3,500kg vehicle. It can be reasonably demonstrated that lightweight efficient vehicles do not damage the road as much as a 3,500kg vehicle.
@jasoncatt11 ай бұрын
What a shame then, that none of the tax revenue taken is actually used to maintain the roads.
@kramer2611 ай бұрын
@@DarrylTalks I lived in NZ for 15 years and worked as a mechanic and wof inspector. I worked at VTNZ during my degree n they did RUC, I always thought it was done by vehicle category, same as the wof n rego because HGV and bus operators are all tiered... I didn't realise all cars were charged at the 3.5 rate. Regarding the point of your video, it seems that current diesel drivers are already getting ripped off, so EV drivers are soon to be, too? Well, I would argue that it's fair for EV drivers to contribute in the same way, but what you say about petrol cars being charged the same, well that would be a rip off since it's already charged on fuel...
@DarrylTalks11 ай бұрын
@@kramer26 It looks like the plan is to remove the RUC component from petrol price, 70c per litre, and then RUC the petrol cars at, I presume, the EV and diesel rate. Which is a rip off for most vehicles, because most vehicles weigh nothing like 3,500kg.
@grantchin152611 ай бұрын
I know they are charging RUC based on wear and tear on the roads, but they are also disincentivising people from using cleaner vehicles like EVs and hybrids. I assume this pendulum will swing back the other way when they start piling on ETS tax on petrol......
@Brandubh196511 ай бұрын
The current RUC pricing will stand for smaller cars. They will introduce a higher cost for heavier vehicles. Are electric cars are heavier ?
@DarrylTalks11 ай бұрын
A Nissan Leaf weights more than a Nissan Tiida. But neither are particularly heavy. Also the build quality seems to be different. Its hard to compare. The Ioniq EV is about 100kg heavier than the hybrid version. So I guess 7% heavier. Still both are half the weight of the limit to the 3,500kg RUC class. The Ford Ranger is about 600kg heavier than either of the EVs.
@jaskirchner11 ай бұрын
If your tax system for petrol as Australia is. There is already a road tax in the petrol and in your vehicle registration. You are paying to much for petrol. Australia average petrol cost is around $2 a litre. You need to stop the extra tax that the government is not using on the roads.
@grantchin152611 ай бұрын
Or move to Australia......
@hugokappes407711 ай бұрын
Thank you Darryl,, some one had to say it,,
@DarrylTalks10 ай бұрын
Thanks for listening.
@andrewmann378711 ай бұрын
In uk they have different colour deisel red for farming and boating green for military . Clear for road use. Reduced cost on red and green. These colours will stain your fuel pipes. If you buy diesel off a farmer which is red it will stain you pipes . If you get pulled and get your car stripped and thecpipes are red they will confiscate your car and back date fines
@banzonGreat8 ай бұрын
Using the fast charger to travel long trips for EV is the same cost using a petrol car but sad to say the waiting time for charging is not practical anymore. So it is much better to use ICE cars during long trips! That is exactly what this new government want us to do! They really don't care about the environment and the poor people trying to save money 😢
@Phil-oj5nr11 ай бұрын
Lots of farmers have diesel tanks on their farms. They may use their tractor crossing a road from one paddock to another, or maybe a short distance down the road. I had a 2.4 litre diesel car once, it was on a 2 tonne RUC, and I bought 10,000 k’s of RUC’s at a time. It was very fuel efficient at over 50 MPG on the open road, and better than 40 MPG round town. Modern diesels do much better, of course. As long as all excise duty is taken off fuel at the pumps I will be ok with RUC’s as with my present vehicle I average 9,500 km/per annum. I use public transport as much as I can. I refute trucking organisations saying they are paying their share of RUC’s when the roads are NOT built for over 50 tonne weights they are operating. I have spoken to several roading engineers who tell me that. Some of the new 4-lane expressways are probably up to that standard, but not the rest of the State Highway system and local roads. In my town the local roads are constantly being repaired because of all the heavy vehicles pounding them to potholes.
@andy394910 ай бұрын
RUC is to pay for the upkeep of NZ roads. Trucks are the problem in NZ. They destroy the roads and the normal car and ute driver is expected to cover this damage. Government should be charging the people that cause the damage. A 20 tonne truck does the same damage to a road that 3500 cars do (at a minimum)
@tonycooke398211 ай бұрын
Some, abolish all other taxes aside from GST and raise GST to 25%
@grantchin152611 ай бұрын
If only RUC could be set by Darryl, instead of Simeon. Then my Nissan Leaf's running costs wouldn't triple from 1 April to become $200 more than my 3.8L/100km Honda Shuttle hybrid. Current best workaround to avoid roads altogether is buy a waka and row it gently down the stream......
@DarrylTalks11 ай бұрын
My Honda hybrid will become cheaper to run in total costs per km than my EV. So the incentive has shifted to use light petrol cars, way more than to use EVs. Which is bad for city smog and the other bad stuff that EVs hope to solve.
@2pintsofcremedementh11 ай бұрын
You're making way too much sense, you're upsetting the government.
@dsndicmsa714111 ай бұрын
Utter BS road users charges aren't just based on damage to roads.. also about the traffic you create the infrastructure true needed for vehicles etc... also EV's are heavier with a smaller tire patch compared to their non EV counterparts, they also produce more torque to the tiers in acceleration and a lot also have regen breaking that cause even more wear....
@DarrylTalks11 ай бұрын
Regen braking is no different for road wear than using brakes, if you have to slow down, you have to slow down. My observation is that EVs, which can be a bit heavier, have proportionally wider tyres, to spread the load over the tyre patch, as you put it. What I was mainly trying to say, is that RUC is the same for all vehicles below 3,500kg, which mean there is little incentive to have any light weight EVs now. Because most of the daily running costs are RUC costs rather than power costs. The heavier your car, the less RUC costs you proportionally. That's why there are, pretty much, no small diesel vehicles in New Zealand.
@dsndicmsa714111 ай бұрын
@@DarrylTalks lol so electric motors and regen braking only increase tire wear but not wear on the road surface tires are running on? ... Then there's the issue with regen breaking that allows single foot driving but no break lights come on... no such vehicles should be legal on our roads.
@Glen79911 ай бұрын
wait for ruc come for gas cars don't mind paying ruc for my ev but i hardly use it
@pvChrists-Bond.Servant11 ай бұрын
Im going to trade my car in for an electric scooter
@EliteSim2711 ай бұрын
Get an EUC
@grantchin152611 ай бұрын
Buy a luxury yacht, travel by sea and avoid RUC......
@pvChrists-Bond.Servant8 ай бұрын
@@grantchin1526 if only
@pvChrists-Bond.Servant8 ай бұрын
But I’m absolutely sure that in the near future the govt will start taxing electric bicycles and scooters
@kiwibobnz981211 ай бұрын
Don’t quit your day job
@mucous-membrane8 ай бұрын
Stop whinging and cough up.
@willsmcmurray707011 ай бұрын
Because they pay less in diesel noob that's why it's cheaper than petrol because the tax is in the price of petrol get your facts right before you slag nz off or leave