we need to talk about Ron and Hermione.

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Serena Skybourne

Serena Skybourne

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@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne 3 жыл бұрын
Oh guys I forgot to say this but it’s something that always bothered me- how Hermione had birds fly at Ron in the sixth book. I know they were angry at each other but it was so bad!
@aarronwest1072
@aarronwest1072 3 жыл бұрын
I never understood that lol
@fatbitch7168
@fatbitch7168 3 жыл бұрын
same omg that was a lot just because he started dating someone else; imagine it the other way around
@lilchaos9212
@lilchaos9212 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, it annoyed me because Ron did nothing wrong! He was dating Lavender, so what? Hermione never showed she had feelings for him so why should Ron be treated like he did something wrong for not picking up on Hermione's shared feelings since neither of them recognised their feelings properly at that point? I get that Ron had the same problem when he was conflicted about Hermione being with Viktor Krum, but he never physically attacked anyone. The fact that Hermione did the exact same thing like two books beforehand makes it all the more irritating on Hermione's part tbh.
@IchibanOjousama
@IchibanOjousama 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it was bad
@siwal1907
@siwal1907 3 жыл бұрын
I hated that cause ron didn't actually do anything wrong. The bookworm should know better than being mad at someone for assuming they were just friends
@hannahhh2269
@hannahhh2269 3 жыл бұрын
I hate how movies ruined Ron's character but they turned Hermione into a Mary Sue who can do no wrong and she gets admired for every single thing she does. Whenever something goes wrong in their relationship it's always Ron's fault. That's really irritating and both of them are so much better in the books.
@caseydillard1590
@caseydillard1590 3 жыл бұрын
They gave all Ron's best moments to Hermione. I felt like I was going insane watching the movies.
@theCrownofSympathy
@theCrownofSympathy 3 жыл бұрын
This is 100% true and I kind of hate Hermione's character because of it. I hate how the fandom views her as Goddess Granger that can do no wrong, and Ron is this terrible person that doesn't "deserve" her like she's a trophy or something.
@alarrim29574
@alarrim29574 3 жыл бұрын
I honestly feel like the movies are the only reason people want Harry and hermione to be together and hating Harry and ginnys relationship
@aahana4931
@aahana4931 3 жыл бұрын
one of my favorite things about hermione is how she always puts effort into everything no matter how boring it is,she just wants to prove herself- so she gets paranoid and that's also where ron balances her out,the movies made her into an effortless genius i didn't like her at all, idc about ships that much but movie hermione was probably one of the first victims of YA girlboss feminism 😭
@dhruvbharija172
@dhruvbharija172 3 жыл бұрын
Movie hermione wasn't a Mary sue And yeah Movies ruined Ron by making him less toxic 😄
@laraspace6139
@laraspace6139 3 жыл бұрын
I never shipped Ron/Hermione or Harry/Hermione. I always thought it would be great if all three of them found their partner outside of the trio and just stayed friends.
@franks_fiction
@franks_fiction 3 жыл бұрын
That’s how I felt.
@maddiemelody9001
@maddiemelody9001 3 жыл бұрын
same; i also felt it was somewhat unrealistic for it all to end so neatly, with them all ending up with the person they dated in highschool (harry and ginny is the exception, because nothing could truly celebrate him from the weasley clan)
@laraspace6139
@laraspace6139 3 жыл бұрын
@@maddiemelody9001 yeah, I could have lived very well without the epilogue.
@bruisedviolets
@bruisedviolets 3 жыл бұрын
@@maddiemelody9001 the movies ruined ginny for me
@logann-mackenziefroste563
@logann-mackenziefroste563 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! This is exactly how I felt and I still feel like this. I also never shipped Harry and Ginny. In my opinion they all stayed best friends but found partners outside of their group of friends.
@kaleshabastion2332
@kaleshabastion2332 3 жыл бұрын
One reason I get upset with how Ron and Hermione were written was that it didn't let Rupert Grint a chance to act those scenes. He's a wonderful actor and I think he'd of done wonderfully portraying those soft, small caring moments that Ron has throughout the books. I always loved their relationship, I always just felt that you just know they worked really hard on their relationship as adults because they know how awful they can both be for the other and they love each other to much to let themselves fall into toxic behaviour.
@raindropsonroses3919
@raindropsonroses3919 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. He’s the best actor out of the three. The other two have to work a bit harder but it’s always come naturally to Robert Grint
@SoWhosGae
@SoWhosGae 3 жыл бұрын
Emma was always the worst actor of the 3 honestly but she was great as Hermione. I just wished they had written her better in the movies because she suffered too from the screenplay.
@raindropsonroses3919
@raindropsonroses3919 3 жыл бұрын
@@SoWhosGae she’s not a good actress overall. Gorgeous girl, and very intelligent but I doubt she would have gotten into the acting business without the help of the HP franchise. If you look at her in other movies she is quite wooden and one note. I agree that she suited hermione though.
@SoWhosGae
@SoWhosGae 3 жыл бұрын
@@raindropsonroses3919 True.
@spaceodds1985
@spaceodds1985 2 жыл бұрын
@@raindropsonroses3919 i agree
@alyssaflores5149
@alyssaflores5149 3 жыл бұрын
something that i really loved about ron and hermione's relationship in the books was how it was very clear that they both had moments when they were in the right during arguments. in the movies it seemed that hermione was always framed as being right and ron just seemed a lot meaner in general. additionally i think that ron and hermione are both people who just like to argue. and that they argue with each other so much because of that "i know i'm not going to lose our friendship no matter how much we fight" mentality. they definitely have a special bond and harry's internal commentary on the situation always makes me smile.
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne 3 жыл бұрын
I agree- if they hated arguing then surely they’d stop doing it? Or leave each other alone? I think they liked challenging each other
@dhruvbharija172
@dhruvbharija172 3 жыл бұрын
Its other way round
@dhruvbharija172
@dhruvbharija172 3 жыл бұрын
@@SerenaSkybourne yeah Ron liked challenging Hermione's patience by putting her through misery again and again
@blesbeauty1018
@blesbeauty1018 3 жыл бұрын
@@dhruvbharija172 do you just hate ron?
@dhruvbharija172
@dhruvbharija172 3 жыл бұрын
@@blesbeauty1018 nah I just love stating what's there in the book
@tas64
@tas64 3 жыл бұрын
I really like Ron and Hermione together despite what people say. They had an opposites attracts thing going on, and I think they balance each other out. Also it's unfortunate that they made the movie Ron seem dumber than he is in the books because he's more defensive and caring for Hermione in them more than the film's.
@zoefinch8631
@zoefinch8631 3 жыл бұрын
exactly!!
@marina.chayka
@marina.chayka 3 жыл бұрын
They ruined Rony because Emma Watson was ~pretty so they made her character bigger.
@CureSmileful
@CureSmileful 2 жыл бұрын
I don't like the "They had an opposites attracts thing going on, and I think they balance each other out." narrative, to me it just sounds like "yeah they don't have much in common"
@RJMiller73
@RJMiller73 2 жыл бұрын
Ron and Hermione aren’t a case of opposites attract. Ron and Hermione share the same values. Shared values, not shared interests, are the most important thing in a good relationship.
@user-fo1qy9ru6x
@user-fo1qy9ru6x 3 жыл бұрын
Also it’s important to note that the director in deathly hallows part one shipped Harry and Hermione together and thought that they should’ve ended up together so sacrificed Romione scenes for Harry and Hermione scenes.
@buchbummelant8980
@buchbummelant8980 3 жыл бұрын
Not only the director was a Harmione-shipper, I think the screenwriter was as well - or at least, he loved Hermione and didn't like Ron.
@lilchaos9212
@lilchaos9212 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah and the director of the films also publically said that Hermione was his favourite so he took some of Ron's book lines and gave them to Hermione, an example being that Ron is meant to be super loyal in the books but in the films its Hermione who says "you'll have to kill us too" or something when they were cornered by Sirus in the Shrieking Shack despite it being Ron who is willing to die for Harry in the book.
@masinalima
@masinalima 3 жыл бұрын
That's awful why would they do that 😐
@BabyGirlTiny
@BabyGirlTiny 3 жыл бұрын
There wasn’t much Hermione and Ron in deathly hollows anyway
@chriswilliams4700
@chriswilliams4700 2 ай бұрын
@@masinalimahappens a lot when a director or writing team falls so in love with one character that they kind of forgot about some others. Happened in Vampire Diaries with Damon
@becki8000
@becki8000 3 жыл бұрын
I think romance generally is not a highlight of the books, however Ron & Hermione have a believable high school crush dynamic, where due to immaturity they have a 'pretend they hate each other, but actually love each other' vibe. In the end is all comes back to JK's poor romance writing skills because nearly every character ends up marrying a high school sweetheart - unrealistic.
@cringeygachakidthatalsodoe7154
@cringeygachakidthatalsodoe7154 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, oh well at least it's not Rick-Riordan type were characters hook up after 1 month of knowing each other
@MassielRoss
@MassielRoss 3 жыл бұрын
@@cringeygachakidthatalsodoe7154 what do you mean? Are you talking about Jason & Piper and Leo & Calipso? Bcs one of the reasons Piper broke up with Jason was bcs she felt their relationship wasn't real & was made by Hera/Juno and Aphrodite and was feeling the pressure of that and her relationship with her mom was tense, and for L&C we don't know how much time they spent on her island and for what I gathered from the ToA their relationship isn't really solid like Calipso ia trying to live her life and enjoy her freedom, I would like to admit that I don't really liked either relationship
@cringeygachakidthatalsodoe7154
@cringeygachakidthatalsodoe7154 3 жыл бұрын
@@MassielRoss What about Frazel?
@kasimshaikh3750
@kasimshaikh3750 2 жыл бұрын
Unrealistic by today's standards but not uncommon in the wizarding world.
@awholenewworld5796
@awholenewworld5796 9 ай бұрын
I hope you're not talking about Percy and Annabeth​@@cringeygachakidthatalsodoe7154
@rachyljean
@rachyljean 2 жыл бұрын
I always liked the parallels between Ron and Hermione and James and Lily. I like the fact that Harry kind of got to watch his parents fall in love in a way. Great video.
@amieedeard7495
@amieedeard7495 3 жыл бұрын
I'm really happy to see you defending Romione, I think at this point the unpopular opinion is this one, that the seeds were planted, the moments were there all along, and they're cute together. I distinctly remember being so young when I watched the movies that I couldn't pick up on their relationship at all, when they kissed in the last movie it felt like a plot twist to me at the time, but after reading the books and rewatching the movies I just felt dumb for missing it the first time around tbh
@JanelleTheKid
@JanelleTheKid 3 жыл бұрын
While Ron and Hermione were never really a favorite couple of mine, I always thought their development was SO much better in the books. In the movies, it seemed more like they put the two of them together for convenience and not because they had genuine feelings for each other. Movie Romione felt super forced while the books showed real development of feelings which is why Harry wasn't surprised in the slightest when they basically started making out in front of him in the Deathly Hallows.
@SweenyTodd98
@SweenyTodd98 3 жыл бұрын
the movies treatment of Ron is very frustrating. It honestly feels like Steve Kloves (the screenwriter) was a Harry/Hermione shipper and was actively sabotaging Ron as a character. The scene from Prisoner of Azakaban that you referenced where Ron side with Snape bullying Hermione while in the book he defended her is a prime example. I love Hermione and Ron. They quarrel but they also both respect and care about each other. I think they really balance each other out well.
@o0BlackSand0o
@o0BlackSand0o 3 жыл бұрын
I got mad that they gave Ron's moment of standing on a badly broken leg, facing a mass murderer without a wand, and telling him he'd have to kill Ron before getting to Harry, and gave it to Hermione. Hermione had other moments they did include but they took Ron's moments away
@NobodyUndefined
@NobodyUndefined 3 жыл бұрын
@@o0BlackSand0o Damn I know books differ from the films but this is bad
@ldragon8480
@ldragon8480 3 жыл бұрын
Ron was awful in the books as well, I really don't understand how people just gloss over how poorly he treated Hermione the entire 7 years they knew each other before the got together. He kinda just sucked as a person and I will never understand how people don't see that.
@buchbummelant8980
@buchbummelant8980 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you! I think Ron is the easiest character to be misunderstood in the series because he's just very blunt and kind of "talk first, think later". Besides, Hermione was no piece of cake either sometimes. They were really amazing characters in the book, with faults and strengths, and that was completely dismissed in the movies...
@sammykent5752
@sammykent5752 2 жыл бұрын
@@ldragon8480 example?
@madcow372
@madcow372 3 жыл бұрын
Im glad someone finally mentioned that Harry finds spending time with Hermione to be boring.All I hear about is how adult Ron and Hermione wouldn't work, but I imagine adult Harry and Hermione as two workaholics that would hardly spend any time together. It always seemed like Harry/Hermione shippers were reading different books or simply wanted their favorite male character paired with their favorite female character. The movies definitely played a role in the perception of Ron and Hermione's characters. Ron's jealousy is his worst trait, and it seems like a lot of fans just reduce him to that trait.
@meghnagoel6766
@meghnagoel6766 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Thank you! They reduce him to his tendency to be jealous, and most people are not willing to look beyond that and realise why he is the way he is. His insecurities are the reason for his jealousy, and no one really seems to notice that. Honestly, him feeling insecure because of being overshadowed by literally everyone around him is not that hard to get, but I guess some of that is the movies' fault, since they never talked about this...
@annabeinglazy5580
@annabeinglazy5580 3 жыл бұрын
I never got the Harry/hermoine Thing either but i paid way more Attention to the books than the movies. And the books are very clear about them Just being friends. Whenever He hangs Out with Just her he feels guilty for being a bit bored. He never takes Sides when hermoine and Ron have a falling Out, he Just tries to be Friends to them both. If there was sth there, you would think that He would Swing towards hermoine's Side. I loved their relationship because they were a good example of a Guy and Girl Just being friends without any attraction being mentioned.
@dhruvbharija172
@dhruvbharija172 3 жыл бұрын
They never get bored No one forced Harry to hang out with hermione He could have hanged out with Fred George , dean , Seamus or anyone But he did with Hermione Ron was missing Harry too So I think he was also bored with hermione according to you Well not a surprise I don't expect logic from romione shippers
@annabeinglazy5580
@annabeinglazy5580 3 жыл бұрын
@@dhruvbharija172 i need to dig Out the books again but in book 6 Harry does mention how it's a bit dull with Hermione because its mostly books and studying and Not the same shenanigans that it is with Ron. You might call that bored. And He feels immediately guilty for thinking that because he wants be a good friend. By the way i dont even ship Romione. And there is really No reason to be rude about... Fictional characters?
@dhruvbharija172
@dhruvbharija172 3 жыл бұрын
@@annabeinglazy5580 he never said he was bored Lmao And if he would have been bored He won't have been roaming with hermione He could have gone with Fred George ,dean , Seamus Thats what we do When we are bored we change the company
@curtisdavenport2308
@curtisdavenport2308 3 жыл бұрын
I would LOVE to hear your thoughts & opinions on: exploring Draco's character arc and whether he should've been redeemed. As well the biggest controversy of Snape being a hero all along despite the horrible things he's done
@masinalima
@masinalima 3 жыл бұрын
Omg yessss I would love for this video too!!!
@lenajones6117
@lenajones6117 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah me too!
@moonchild8623
@moonchild8623 3 жыл бұрын
My friend gives me so much shit for not liking snape even though hes been good all along. Like he still wasn't a great person even if he wasnt for voldermort. He was shitty
@theresabu3000
@theresabu3000 Жыл бұрын
If you're still interested in a Draco - Hermione pairing? I really like the one Manacled by senlinyu. Dark and really long story - but one of the best fanfics I've ever read
@curtisdavenport2308
@curtisdavenport2308 Жыл бұрын
@@theresabu3000 No I'm not interested in Dramionie. Just Draco as a character
@hillakatz5855
@hillakatz5855 3 жыл бұрын
the fact that Ron needed a book to tell him to compliment Hermione is both hilarious and highly troubling, but also probably very reminiscent of most teenage boys lol
@mst3kharris
@mst3kharris 3 жыл бұрын
The Ron/Hermione relationship always reminded me a little of my parents: my mom was a very focused, driven person, and my dad felt lucky to be along for the ride. Plus Ron always struck me as a sweet guy, overall.
@theCrownofSympathy
@theCrownofSympathy 3 жыл бұрын
I know a couple that reminds me a lot of them. The book versions of Ron and Hermione at least, maybe not the movies so much.
@dhruvbharija172
@dhruvbharija172 3 жыл бұрын
Your dad Disrespected your mom in front of a crowd ? Because that's what Ron did And Harry was like that too
@mst3kharris
@mst3kharris 3 жыл бұрын
@@dhruvbharija172 I’m sorry, what were you saying?
@janhavi1977
@janhavi1977 2 жыл бұрын
@@mst3kharris He’s just a crazy Hermione worshipper who thinks she can do no wrong he’s been bashing Ron and Harry, in pretty much all the comments.
@NoorAhmed-nk2jq
@NoorAhmed-nk2jq 3 жыл бұрын
I love that you pointed out the unpredictable factor, Harry and Hermione is the cliché, I was reading the books and actually dreading it, thinking it will be this boring predictable thing, but then I started noticing the Ron and Hermione mutual attraction and I was on board right away, it's just more interesting that way! I do think the movies messed up, making Ron far more shallow and less useful than his book counterpart, and yeah I get people who wouldn't ship them based on the movies, it's far less balanced, but even then I feel like they can grow and be more mature in the future, so I wouldn't say their relationship is doomed!
@BabyGirlTiny
@BabyGirlTiny 3 жыл бұрын
You say and Ron and hermione are a cliche in themselves
@weronikalinda4917
@weronikalinda4917 3 жыл бұрын
I think people who ship Harry and Hermione together haven't read the books in a while (or at all). There's no romantic chemistry between them in the books. There was, however, chemistry in the movies so if you only watch the movies for a while, you start to think that they should be together. People also often forget that we see everything through Harrys perspective so we'll never see Ron and Hermione hang out without him. The movies ruined Ron completely too. In the books, yes, he was pretty insecure but he was also quite witty, street-smart, genuinely funny and caring, especially later on when he stopped caring so much about what other people thought of him and gained confidence.
@BabyGirlTiny
@BabyGirlTiny 3 жыл бұрын
Nope, the read the books and realized that there is potential between Harry and Hermione because they work well together and they balance one another. Ron and hermione just seems like hermione settling for Ron because there’s literally no reason why they like each other, other than Opposites attract
@tjjordan4207
@tjjordan4207 2 жыл бұрын
I ship Harry and Hermione only in the movies, not the books. But even in the books, I find the Hermione/Ron love-boat to be very toxic and too cliched. I keep hearing the “opposites attract” argument but that doesn’t matter when all the two do is argue. And I’ve seen relationships where two people who argue do not last long together.
@2222bxnzbz
@2222bxnzbz Жыл бұрын
​@@BabyGirlTinyif u read the books u would realise the favourite friend is ron both harry and hemruone prefer ron over each other when Ron and harry stopped speaking in gof harry said there was barely any laughter and when he hung out with hemrione and just hanging out in the library
@ely03cassandra
@ely03cassandra 11 ай бұрын
No, I read the books before I watched the movies. I've never liked Ron and Hermione as a couple. They don't understand each other and they both seem so much more comfortable being with Harry. Hermione got along with Harry in such a comfortable and understanding way. So I always felt that Hermione should have fallen for Harry or just anyone but Ron.
@diyagore1784
@diyagore1784 3 жыл бұрын
My very short analysis would be that their relationship would take a lot of effort to make work, but they're both the kind of person that would be willing to put in that effort. Also I find it very funny that Harry and Hermione's relationship was played up so much in the movies when in the books they EASILY had the weakest bond out of the three
@TheAlexis1246
@TheAlexis1246 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's all to do with perception. Mostly Harry's perception of events in the books. So, we get told that ron and hermione spend a lot of time together, either during summer or times when harry hears about it, but it's glossed over. By then, we don't see or hear much about their time. We mostly see harry and hermione's alone time together. Because harry is experiencing it as we are reading it. Maybe that is why some people think about harry and hermione's relationship more than ron and hermione. Because we've experienced their "chemistry" more.
@youknowlikealiar1300
@youknowlikealiar1300 3 жыл бұрын
I'll never get over the movies' treatment of Ron, so much disrespect
@SweenyTodd98
@SweenyTodd98 3 жыл бұрын
it honestly feels like Steve Kloves (the screenwriter) was a Harry/Hermione fan and was actively sabotaging Ron as a character.
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne 3 жыл бұрын
@@SweenyTodd98 I know one of the writers or directors said Hermione was their fav character. Sadly it is painfully obvious
@meghnagoel6766
@meghnagoel6766 3 жыл бұрын
Not only did they ruin Ron's character, but they ruined Hermione too by doing this. The way she is portrayed as such a 'perfect goddess' in the movies... THAT IS NOT HOW REALISTIC HUMANS ARE!
@SweenyTodd98
@SweenyTodd98 3 жыл бұрын
@@meghnagoel6766 Yes! I love movie Hermione and Emma Watson but they took away almost all of her flaws. She was borderline Mary Sue ( a phrase I hate saying).
@cityman2312
@cityman2312 3 жыл бұрын
It did influence the later series too. Hermione's role inflated to beyond the point where it still made sense and Ron was dumbed down. So Hermione becomes the one to drop facts about the magical world, even though Ron's the one who should realistically know about it!
@fatbitch7168
@fatbitch7168 3 жыл бұрын
I would have loved Harry with Luna and Hermione with Fred, not gonna lie kfkdkd I wasn't that thrilled about the canon pairings. Still, Ron and Hermione had a lot of cute moments too
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne 3 жыл бұрын
Why do I like the idea of Hermione and Fred? Am I crazy
@Nami608
@Nami608 3 жыл бұрын
Yesssss!!!! I was scrolling through the comments and wondered if anyone would say Fred!! (And harry and Luna as Well??? You, you there. You got good taste)
@user-ul3pb5hf7e
@user-ul3pb5hf7e 3 жыл бұрын
Luna is not into guys
@fatbitch7168
@fatbitch7168 3 жыл бұрын
@@SerenaSkybourne Because we all know it would've been AWESOME. Just imagine a dutiful bookworm and a carefree troublemaker, that's dynamite right there
@fatbitch7168
@fatbitch7168 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nami608 lmfao thank you :)))
@m.donez8
@m.donez8 3 жыл бұрын
I still think it’s perfect that they all become in-laws🥺🤍 I feel like Ron, and the Weasley family in general, have always been the glue that holds their friendship together
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne 3 жыл бұрын
Who would you have Ron end up with if it wasn't Hermione? P.S We're covering Snape on Thursday in a 50 minute video so stay tuned for that! I've got some pretty controversial opinions.
@tilly_kins987
@tilly_kins987 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Ron didn't really have many love interests, so I'm not really sure. I am really excited for the upcoming Harry Potter videos! Can't wait! Love your videos! 🥰
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne 3 жыл бұрын
@@tilly_kins987 love u!
@Aaarandom
@Aaarandom 3 жыл бұрын
Omg I can’t wait
@zoefinch8631
@zoefinch8631 3 жыл бұрын
i genuinely cant see him without anyone else lolll, ALSO i hate snape so much don’t even get me started
@tilly_kins987
@tilly_kins987 3 жыл бұрын
@@zoefinch8631 Same. 😂 I don't hate Snape, he isn't my favourite though.
@PrincessRamsha999
@PrincessRamsha999 3 жыл бұрын
Whoa, I'm exactly with you! I love Ron and Hermione together, but totally understand people who don't. What I don't get is readers of the books who genuinely think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together. I don't think that appreciates their dynamic at all! Besides the fact that they have no romantic chemistry in the books, I find that Harry's internal monologue about Hermione was deeply platonic, rather unkind and sometimes even sexist. He often characterized her as bossy and shrill, and even thought about how she couldn't fill the space Ron left when the boys stopped talking to each other for a bit. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on Snape!
@christianogden2825
@christianogden2825 3 жыл бұрын
He was always much better friends with Ron. Acknowledging that doesn't make him a jerk towards Hermione. Describing her as bossy isn't sexist. Are you seriously telling me she isn't bossy? As far as their chemistry, idk. He had better chemistry with her than ginny. How many lines of dialogue did they share before he fell "in love" with her? 4, 5?
@alarrim29574
@alarrim29574 3 жыл бұрын
@@christianogden2825 you don’t have to interact with someone to start liking them
@christianogden2825
@christianogden2825 3 жыл бұрын
@@alarrim29574 yea, you really kinda do. Otherwise, don't tell me they were in love. They just thought the other was hot, and those are 2 very different things
@alarrim29574
@alarrim29574 3 жыл бұрын
@@christianogden2825 you don’t have to interact with someone to start liking them but in order to love them and be in a relationship you do. Plenty of relationships start with someone having a crush on someone they don’t really interact with much but when they do start doing it because he or she is persueing a romantic relationship that they can really like and fall in love
@buchbummelant8980
@buchbummelant8980 3 жыл бұрын
@@alarrim29574 To be fair, I think JK skipped lots of interactions between Harry and Ginny prior to the sixth year of school. I think there were some observations during Harrys stay with the Weasleys in the summer and that was the true start of his feelings, which grew over the course of the year. I also think it's difficult to pinpoint how often they truly interacted because we only get the interesting bits, which are important for the story.
@sofiagreka5608
@sofiagreka5608 3 жыл бұрын
I love that you said Harry and Ginny worked well as a couple in the books!!! I feel like nobody really appreciates them as a couple, instead talking about how little chemistry they have in the movie, which, fair. But I would really love a video about them, like this one, book version-movie version- why you think they work or don't work. Also, I really love all your videos, especially the deep dives!
@imrianenichelle
@imrianenichelle 3 жыл бұрын
Can you also talk about Ginny Weasley? Or the Harry and Ginny relationship? Because there is so much to unpack about that. They were such a cute relationship in the books and they ruined it in the movies. The same goes for Ginny's character. She was such a badass and the movie just didn't show that.
@rigrace
@rigrace 3 жыл бұрын
I loved Harry Potter so much, but honestly i didn't really liked any of the end couples... There was always this "Jealousy" trope that i didn't enjoy at all. I would have loved it if Hermione stayed single at the end focusing on her career.
@RJMiller73
@RJMiller73 3 жыл бұрын
What jealously trope? Jealousy is very common among teens.
@SoWhosGae
@SoWhosGae 3 жыл бұрын
Why lol? She was driven and ambitious but she was deeply sensitive and loving too. She wasn't really the kind who would "focus on her career".
@nataliaciotucha4153
@nataliaciotucha4153 3 жыл бұрын
I agree that the jealousy which JK really uses a lot of is annoying and I wish there wasn't so much of it to drive the romantic plot along. But I disagree on the career thing, mostly since in the canon she is really focused on her career and is successful and also settling even more into the large supportive family she had known for years and taking a break from constant studying would probably be good for her, since she was always worried as a kid that she wouldn't be allowed to be a witch if she wasn't good enough.
@SoWhosGae
@SoWhosGae 3 жыл бұрын
@@bearwhiteraven4820 Yes, but a sensitive and loving person usually wants a loving relationship aside the career. That's not what OP was implying.
@Euzelianpiglet11
@Euzelianpiglet11 3 жыл бұрын
Also, I have seen videos and articles on the fact that through the movies, Hermione was given a lot of important lines that were originally Ron’s. And those lines would have shown him as more knowledgeable and brave than he was portrayed in the movies.
@gingerkatherina
@gingerkatherina 3 жыл бұрын
It's crazy how realistic the coming of age stuff was actually written. Thank you for this amazing detailed essay 👍👍👍
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne 3 жыл бұрын
💛💛
@carriecarebear
@carriecarebear 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to hear your opinion about Ginny (books and movies). A lot of people don't like her and I always got the impression in the books that she was so perfect and every character loves it at least likes her (there is a scene in the sixth book I believe where even a Slytherin guy, forgot his name, admitted she is good looking). I never got the impression that she had significant flaws, so I could never relate to her. I would love to hear your opinion about her and maybe you can portray her in a better light :)
@juliapakarinen7956
@juliapakarinen7956 3 жыл бұрын
I'm also really frustrated about the lack of Ron's reaction when Hermione is tortured in the movie, but I really like how he is the one who catches her when everyone else dodges the falling chandelier (I don't remember how that part was in the book, though). I have to admit, I'm wasn't the biggest fan of romantic Romione, especially in the movies (mainly because I thought they were too different and the movies made Hermione seem too perfect and Ron mostly being the source of humor, even though he is much more than that). But you really got me to remember their wonderful moments, their similarities and how they complete each other, and appreciate their "slowburn"-relationship both in the movies and the books. Thanks for this.
@60aquarius2
@60aquarius2 3 жыл бұрын
If you start a HP series, I want to hear your opinions on Dumbledore and how much of a WEIRDO he was.
@babybaudelairex
@babybaudelairex 3 жыл бұрын
he was literally a master manipulator. he didn't care whose lives were being sacrificed as long as his "plan" was going accordingly. and he raised harry like a pig for slaughter. he didn't care at all for him and etc etc . i could go on
@RedKing12000
@RedKing12000 Жыл бұрын
An understated Romione payoff that I really enjoy: In Goblet of Fire, the two get into one of their biggest fights when she goes to the Yule Ball with Viktor Krum. What sets this fight apart from their numerous other squabbles, I think, is that it’s the first time that their romantic tension is brought to the forefront, and it’s as a source of conflict. Ron is in denial over his romantic jealousy, and Hermione, the glow of her first romance having been immaturely squashed, slaps him with the famous, next time, ask me first” line. It’s not exactly an auspicious start to what is arguably the series’ star romance. Fast forward to Deathly Hallows, the only other instillation to feature Krum incidentally, and what does Ron do when his jealousy flares up this time? “'Come and dance,' he added abruptly to Hermione. She looked taken aback, but pleased too, as Ron lead her onto the dance floor.” Learns, or at least remembers his lesson. In hindsight, I think this may have been the scene that won me over, that got me to look at Ron and Hermione’s not altogether smooth history in a completely different light.
@pupax2000
@pupax2000 3 жыл бұрын
Ron annoyed me soooo much in the later movies, whiny, manipulative, possessive, I really did not like him for Hermione.
@thursday4500
@thursday4500 3 жыл бұрын
The films really ruined his character
@theCrownofSympathy
@theCrownofSympathy 3 жыл бұрын
Hermione was kind of vindictive and condescending bitch though. Don't know why so many people think Ron is completely awful and Hermione is too good for him.
@Alt-yg5ng
@Alt-yg5ng 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, in the later 'movies' not the books
@ThashniNaidoo
@ThashniNaidoo 3 жыл бұрын
@@theCrownofSympathy I'm so glad to see this comment. Most comments saying Ron was only mean to Hermione.. When they were both mean to each other. They forget when it comes down to it... Ron would regurgitate slugs for her. They were kids.... And they slowly learnt to better communicate their feelings. One was an only child and the other was a child that is overlooked
@theCrownofSympathy
@theCrownofSympathy 3 жыл бұрын
@@ThashniNaidoo Truth. I probably come across to some people as if I completely hate Hermione, but I don't, at least not book Hermione. I just completely resent the Hermione worshipping in this fandom. Very few acknowledge her flaws or less than desirable traits, and she's constantly made out to be the victim. 🙄
@user-fo1qy9ru6x
@user-fo1qy9ru6x 3 жыл бұрын
Just want to say as a big Harry Potter fan I would love to see more of your opinions and thoughts on the series
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne 3 жыл бұрын
I’ll do it ♥️
@hannahld05
@hannahld05 3 жыл бұрын
i would love to hear your thoughts on draco and hermione aka dramione!! i love dramione fanfic but something i notice a lot is that writers dumb down ron or portray hermione and ron’s relationship in a negative light in order to make more sense of the dramione pairing. i wouldn’t say all dramione fics do this but it’s definitely really common among the fandom and it frustrates me so much sometimes because i genuinely love ron and think he and hermione are also a great pairing!! also, i don’t really understand harry and hermione shippers. i always took their scenes together as very brother sister like and i think scenes like their dancing in the tent in the deathly hallows were meant to show how they support one another and in moments like that their friendship is one of the only things getting them through each day. they were both hurting from ron leaving and feeling the hopelessness of their journey caving in, that was one of the only times they could simply ‘be’ and relax as kids. the song o children will always make me tear up because of that!! ❤️❤️
@RJMiller73
@RJMiller73 3 жыл бұрын
Dramione is toxic.
@Kylie_h
@Kylie_h 3 жыл бұрын
I really like Ron and Hermione’s relationship. I can see why they are good, why they are bad. And I definitely love how much both of them grew throughout the entire story. And the Harry/Hermione relationship, while it’s not a bad ship, I just don’t see it happening. I just feel like Harry would have wanted someone who had similar interests as him and could help him while he was down, and that’s why I see him with Ginny. I love your take on this and would definitely love to see more things like this.
@jgeorge4919
@jgeorge4919 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think any of them should have ended up together. I always felt like it was a way for JK to ensure they all stayed together through the years without having to deal with the reality that they most likely wouldn’t. Harry marries Ginny so he’s always attached to Ron, Ron marries Hermione so they’re always attached to Harry. It’s the only way it would work out nice and neat. “The chosen one marrying his closest girl friend is too clean!” What’s cleaner than a trio that all ends up related to each other?
@SpacePrjncess
@SpacePrjncess 3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you! I have always thought that Harry and hermione’s friendship is such a wonderful example of a platonic friendship between a boy and a girl. They seem to really care about each other, but their shared deep interest in magic is what makes them such a successful team!
@amelialouise4914
@amelialouise4914 3 жыл бұрын
Yesss I really like Ron and Hermione together in the books - literally everything in the books are better. But I feel like what made me dislike Ron and Hermione in the movies was one of the scenes in the final movie. One moment I specifically hate is where Ron kind of becomes smarter in the final battle. In the books Hermione is really proud and shocked but in no way compromised her intelligence. That exact scene in the movie, I feel like Hermione almost becomes stupid because Ron now has a good idea... And it annoyes me everytime I watch it. I could rant about Ginny in the movies for YEARS.🤣 Ron in the movies is hugely underrated and there's a behind the scene bit of one of the producers - I believe - talking about how they don't like Ron's character... Like what the hell... And I feel like that's why he got some of his best scenes cut which makes me sad because he's such an underrated character with some awesome development and a great sense of humour and it was such a waste.
@nihalnihal9356
@nihalnihal9356 3 жыл бұрын
Wow.. thank you for bringing Ron&Hermione's relationship into a new perspective! I was unaware of how deep their love in the books truly was. It's kinda sad that their relationship development was not as building up in the movies, sadly the way it is now most people think their rs was rather random and forced. Amazing analysis ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
@smilea446
@smilea446 3 жыл бұрын
Ron is my favorite character in the book! I love his friendship with Harry, how he is loyal, intelligent (yes I said it) and overall a great guy. However in the films, Ron is nowhere near the same as in the books :c
@dhruvbharija172
@dhruvbharija172 3 жыл бұрын
Yes Ron was very loyal especially in gof and dh 👌
@youtubetimestamps6165
@youtubetimestamps6165 3 жыл бұрын
I would ABSOLUTELY love a new Harry Potter series! I started reading the books around a month ago, and I’m half way through the third one. I’ve loved the movies for years so I know what happens, but the books are an entirely new experience!! Hope you are doing well!! x
@elenimarkudi5208
@elenimarkudi5208 3 жыл бұрын
I used to be obsessed with Ron and Hermione as a couple when I was younger but now I really couldn't care less, they're just vanilla to me.
@ShadowDogProduction
@ShadowDogProduction 3 жыл бұрын
Your takes are always rational even when I disagree with you and in addition thoughtful and thorough. This means anything you have to say about Harry Potter is gonna be S Tier content among this KZbin subgenre.
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne 3 жыл бұрын
♥️♥️
@bookswithelle2980
@bookswithelle2980 3 жыл бұрын
Please do continue the Harry Potter series, I would love to hear your opinions on Ginny and Harry! I love them so much as a couple in the books, they just feel so right, and yet in the movies their relationship is awful! Harry literally has more chemistry with Cedric Diggory hahah xx
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao so true
@o0BlackSand0o
@o0BlackSand0o 3 жыл бұрын
Edit: apparently Hermione almost did end up with Fred. There were titbits in the sixth book especially hinting at it but then she killed off Fred. In the books Hermione and Ron get mad at Harry when he interrupts their minor arguments which kinda points to them actually enjoying the back and forth. It's not that hard to believe. Heroine likes being opinionated and Ron appears to be the only one who challenges her on those opinions. On top of that Ron has a different life experience to her, being a pure blood so gives her a perspective she wouldn't have access to otherwise.
@RJMiller73
@RJMiller73 3 жыл бұрын
No, Hermione did not almost end up with Fred. That’s completely fannon. Rowling has said that it was going to be Hermione and Ron from the very beginning.
@o0BlackSand0o
@o0BlackSand0o 3 жыл бұрын
@@RJMiller73 I saw a comment from her saying if it wasn't Ron it was going to be Fred... in saying that she has said a lot of stuff since finishing the books so maybe it should just be fanon
@theCrownofSympathy
@theCrownofSympathy 3 жыл бұрын
@@RJMiller73 Yeah, I don't know where people get this idea. This fandom seems to take rumors and fanon and try to turn it into fact. Hermione and Fred don't even interact with each other very much, so it makes no sense and would come out of nowhere.
@Girly_Plop
@Girly_Plop 3 жыл бұрын
I would absolutely LOVE to see more Harry Potter deep dives! We have too many “click-baity” HP channels… serving 2-5 minute videos with fun facts all the real fans already know. We need to bring back long form discourse over this series! I love it!
@nssportstv7231
@nssportstv7231 7 ай бұрын
Ron and Luna would have been the perfect power couple in my opinion
@Cindyy721
@Cindyy721 3 жыл бұрын
I would love more Happy Potter content! Everything JKR says always makes me roll my eyes. It's like you said, if she really felt that Harry and Hermione were meant for each other than it would have come out in the writing. There is a lot of stuff in the books were i wonder how that came from the same person. I love the series and it feels like home to me but as i get older there is a lot that makes me wonder what she was thinking. Like with Lupin being a wear wolf but she likened it to someone having HIV and then gave it such a bad stigma to be a wear wolf. The elf's and slavery. Snape being such an evil person, treating children so horribly which i'm sure gave a lot of them some serious trauma(Neville!) and then in the end he is supposed to be a hero? Don't even get me started on the cursed child and the new movies. It makes me sad to that she could't just leave it alone after the last movie. I watched the movies before reading all the books later. I only read the first book when i was really young. But i never ever thought or got a feeling that Harry and Hermione were more than friends or that they would end up together. It was always Ron and Hermione. It really did annoy me that they put in scenes in the movies to show that maybe it could be them instead of using that time to work on Harry and Ginny's relationship. I think a big problem the movies had was that they didn't put enough scenes with the characters being friends. I think that could have made the movies a lot better. For me personally i thought Harry and Luna had more chemistry together in the movies than Harry and Ginny. It would have been interesting if they had Harry end up with Luna in the end or maybe even Harry and Cho.
@lenasprw6523
@lenasprw6523 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect as always, Serena! I'd love to see more videos about series, especially something like "everything wrong with HP" where you cover some sins and plot holes that we could've missed while reading and watching films (I mean sins that are not as obvious as the fact that kids in Hogwarts didn't study mathematics). I feel like you got so much deeper understanding of things that you can bring a lot of interesting things into the picture. And another topic that I'd be interested in is some alternative endings of some storylines that you think would work better (how you did with Aria being a villain a in PLL series analysis). And thank you again! This is a huge fun to watch
@CrystalGoddess90
@CrystalGoddess90 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, I agree! Please, Serena, darling, give us this ❤ It would be very interesting.
@PB-rb5xy
@PB-rb5xy 3 жыл бұрын
Oh I loooove Harry Potter and have also read the series at least 10 times 😂 I LOVE watching your analysis’s and now I’m so excited to watch these deep dives!
@sonnyjoonwuzhere
@sonnyjoonwuzhere 3 жыл бұрын
just finished re-reading the books & was so so excited to see ur video abt this !!! the books build their romance so well, and i wish jkr would've spent the same time on ginny and harrys relationship as well. i would love for you to make a video about that as well!!
@fandomenthusiast6441
@fandomenthusiast6441 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I loved about their relationship that yoh didn't touch on, was that Ron is actually smart. Like. Really. (Again more on Ron's character botching... lol) but he and Hermione wouldn't always be arguing, but having genuine, friendly DEBATES, and occasionally they got heated so Harry felt awkward. Another thing I wanted to add: I think their harsh (sometimes too much) arguing actually IS accurate, especially if they met at a young age. They're growing and changing. Just think about how many times you and your friends had heated, genuine arguments that didn't make you grow apart. Especially from 11? I think that's normal. I think they did start as friends, just friends, and then it was a mutual crush (possibly on and off, as they are young and didn't want to ruin a friendship) that eventually turned into more. Idk. Just my thoughts. But I think your analysis is lovely!!
@megofthemoon
@megofthemoon 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see you cover Dumbledore! I feel he gets such a bad rap on the internet by those fans who have only seen the movies (which I totally get because the movies portray him as some sort of menacing wizard man instead of the serene, safe place of a character that he really is). I love Dumbledore so much and I had how misrepresented he is!
@emmapowderly4255
@emmapowderly4255 3 жыл бұрын
In my mind the movies highlighted the classic portrayal of a teenage boy in Ron like they emphasise the whole trope of he definitely likes you he's a dick to you which is difficult to reconcile as to why hermione is interest in a guy that treats her that poorly as classic feminist character
@dhruvbharija172
@dhruvbharija172 3 жыл бұрын
It was same in the books Actually Ron was a bigger jerk in the books
@emmapowderly4255
@emmapowderly4255 3 жыл бұрын
@@dhruvbharija172 I feel like the remption arc was clearer in the books than the movies
@daniellenicholson2725
@daniellenicholson2725 3 жыл бұрын
Person of my own heart- pll AND Harry 😭😍
@MiniMeags
@MiniMeags 3 жыл бұрын
The problem with Harmone is that Daniel and Emma had HELLA onscreen chemistry and they looked so good together! In the books I don’t ship Harry with Hermione but in the movies, 100% I do mainly because of the chemistry between the actors!
@hayleekurtz9174
@hayleekurtz9174 3 жыл бұрын
I love your video essays so much, I could listen to you talk for hours ❤️
@franciscoteixeira4070
@franciscoteixeira4070 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my god I never knew how badly I needed to hear your Harry Potter thoughts aaaahhhh! Love the video!
@livs9961
@livs9961 3 жыл бұрын
damnit i got so excited thinking this was out already i dont wanna wait 😭
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne 3 жыл бұрын
ily 🥰
@myweakness1883
@myweakness1883 3 жыл бұрын
I wanted to comment that I didn't like Ron and Hermione together because he was always mean to her but after watching the video and reading the comments I realized that, despite reading the books many times in the past, my perception of them was clouded by the movies (which I watched more recently). I'm currently rereading the series anyway (in a foreign language that I'm studying so I might not have been picking up on all details) and from now on (I just started The order of the Phoenix) I'm gonna try and pay attention to this aspect. Thank you, really!
@RedEveTillDawn
@RedEveTillDawn 3 жыл бұрын
I like your analysis. It gives a different perspective to how I saw the relationship
@bubulle311
@bubulle311 3 жыл бұрын
I discovered your channel with this video and I'm so glad because your analysis is so perfect! I never understood why people ship Hermione and Harry, never seen any romantic appeal in their relationship, and quite like how Ron can relate to Hermione, and complete her too, like in the first book if I remember correctly, when the plant needs fire to be beaten, and she doesn't know how to do it, but Ron just remembers her she's a witch
@naomevandepoele7373
@naomevandepoele7373 3 жыл бұрын
I would have loved to see Draco get a redemption story instead of Snape. I mean after the punch, Hermione could start seeing the good in Draco and that he was forced because of his parents. I mean then Draco ending up with a muggleborn, that would have been awesome.
@CrystalGoddess90
@CrystalGoddess90 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree with you, but I have to say that I love Draco and Astoria. I would have wanted more of them together. I wanted to get to know her, find out more about her, knowing which house she belonged in, etc. (I really want to believe that she was a Slytherin, because while being very kind and sweet, she must have been ambitious too to get married to a Malfoy - even for love💚
@iva.1389
@iva.1389 3 жыл бұрын
At least we have the best fanfics ☺️
@LydiaIsSweet
@LydiaIsSweet 3 жыл бұрын
@@CrystalGoddess90 We barely know anything about them though, she was basically just another character's little sister and the handpicked pure blood partner for Draco.
@CrystalGoddess90
@CrystalGoddess90 3 жыл бұрын
@@LydiaIsSweet We do know that Draco and Astoria married for love, that she was a couple of years younger than he was, that they raised their son without prejudices, that she died from a blood curse, etc.
@rafam122
@rafam122 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for this, I love Harry Potter!
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne 3 жыл бұрын
It’s the best ♥️
@HarmonicSoul
@HarmonicSoul 3 жыл бұрын
Love your PLL videos, but I was afraid to watch this one because of the thumbnail since Romione is my OTP. Glad I clicked - pretty balanced analysis and I completely agree with all of your points! Would love a Ron analysis at some point :)
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne 3 жыл бұрын
ROMIONE is very cute ♥️
@imrianenichelle
@imrianenichelle 3 жыл бұрын
I really do hate how dumb the movies sometimes they made Ron to be. Like in the first movie, they only had Hermione be the one to figure out how to get out of the Devil's Snare. But in the books, Hermione had the facts and the possible solution but she also grew up a Muggleborn so Ron had to be the one to remind her to use her magic. Ron and Hermione were both extremely smart, but in different ways. Hermione was book smart and Ron was street smart.
@carriecarebear
@carriecarebear 3 жыл бұрын
I always loved Hermione and Krum because I always got the impression that he was drawn to her personality and looks and wasn't afraid to show it. Especially if you consider his backround or the school he attented - he didn't care about her backround, only about her. And I really loved it that he wasn't afraid to show his feelings. Granted, Ron was pretty young back then and not many 14 years old can express that kind of feelings, but it still made me like her and Krum more than her and Ron.
@jadeskyewalker
@jadeskyewalker 2 жыл бұрын
It’s so interesting how different people interpret the same thing. I personally am not a big hermione/ron shipper. For me it felt more like two side characters who were on the back burner, pushed together for the sake of a way of keeping the trio together. It didn’t really feel natural to me it felt forced. It felt more like Rowling was trying to pull the rug out from under the audience. What I mean by that is, alot of stories do “the main character gets the girl” and it felt like she thought, that’s predictable, I want to be different what can I do instead. So she put main girl gets secondary main boy, like it’s meant to be clever. Idk I’ve always just felt weird about it and I’ve always disliked it. I personally still to this day think that both Ron and Hermione should of ended up with different people not each other. It would of been so much better if each of them found partners outside of the trio and all just remained friends. The whole story is friendship based and putting Ron and Hermione together as a couple really ruined that whole aspect for me. It felt like it was just Harry being iced out all the time, it was kind of sad and having Hermione and Ron be in a relationship really felt like it just solidified the loneliness of Harry, it was just unnecessary and awkward. I just don’t like it.
@RedEveTillDawn
@RedEveTillDawn 3 жыл бұрын
I think the problem is, is that Daniel and Emma had better chemistry together than Emma and Rupert did and that turned a lot of people against the couple despite their relationship in the books
@dhruvbharija172
@dhruvbharija172 3 жыл бұрын
Dan and Emma had better chemistry just like their characters
@alexandralutin3254
@alexandralutin3254 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I like you video essays, and I was worried that I might disagree with your opinion, but no. I 100% relate to what you are saying, as a HP fan, who also read books multipule times. From the very begining I was sure, the Ron and Hermione were endgame(just like Harry and Ginny), so when I saw people online shipping Harry/Hemione I just didn't understand, where these ideas were comming from. Can’t wait for your new Harry Potter content 💖
@tas64
@tas64 3 жыл бұрын
Also I would love it if you did a video on Draco Malfoy? People seem oddly obsessed with him and I'm so confused by it LOL
@sabinah8313
@sabinah8313 3 жыл бұрын
you are gonna become my favorite youtube channel! 🧡 I have been waiting for a essay on these two that is balanced and not based on Ron-bashing. I loved this couple growing up! my only issue with it its Ron's character. Don't get me wrong I LOVE him but I've always felt that after book three JK Rowling didn't quite know what to do with his character. Its like Harry and Hermione grow a lot and start to have romantic and career interests that define a little bit who they would become when they are older but Ron somehow its just *there*. Granted he was never very ambitious academically but c'mon! this is the guy that in the first book wanted nothing more than surprass his brothers' acchivements. Why not show a little bit of that? Why don't give him a bit of success too, regarding his quidditch skills? Or when he mentions (before Harry, I may add!) he wanted to be an Auror, why dont show how the adventures they have in the books shape more or less his interest on this career path? Or why don't show his interest in making a lot of money, i.e having showing interest (as a future partner) in Fred and George's business? And even when Ron finds a girlfriend it almost feels like he doesn't have any attraction for her? he only dates Lavander to make sure Hermione KNOWS he can date someone too and its so infuriating!!! like I get it he fancies Hermione but Harry and Hermione by this point had been shown to have romantic interests outside of the ship they would end up (Cho, Krum) but even those outside relationships and crushes are treated with respect. Ron doesn't get this moment. His relationship is reduced to a mere disgust/joke by both of his friends....and it seems like even Ron doesnt wants to be in that relationship, either! And its not realistic for him to not have a least one romantic interest besides Hermione. Or like make him not have a romantic interest but use that to show me he is just not interested in dating. Like its not an aspect of life he cares about and make that a tension point on the book when Harry and Hermione do have dates! At least by this we would know where he stands emotionally, romantically. By Deathly Hallows Ron starts to *mature* in certain places but even then its nothing compare to the growth the other two go through. By this point I don't know what he wants nor how can get it because the story doesn't tell me anything about him! I only know he is a Good Guy and the protagonist' Best Friend and his Family is Great but if you are gonna have a character that only is there for his friends then great but DONT make him end up with possibly the most overarchiver in the bloody series!!!! It just feels flat and I hate it because as you can see I love the character and have a lot of opinon on it lol
@fatbitch7168
@fatbitch7168 3 жыл бұрын
omg those parallels are so true kfkdkdm
@logann-mackenziefroste563
@logann-mackenziefroste563 3 жыл бұрын
I totally can see what you mean about Ron and Hermione throughout the books and how the writing is there. But I don’t see the same throughout the books with Harry and Ginny. The writing is not there for Harry and Ginny until it literally is forced down the readers.
@SoWhosGae
@SoWhosGae 3 жыл бұрын
I have literally never understood how someone who read the books could think Harry/Hermione was ever a thing. Like ... did they read the same books??? No seriously...
@dhruvbharija172
@dhruvbharija172 3 жыл бұрын
Because they are more logical Unlike some like you
@SoWhosGae
@SoWhosGae 3 жыл бұрын
@@dhruvbharija172 You mean they have 0 reading comprehesion. Get outta here lmao
@komal146
@komal146 2 жыл бұрын
I never shipped both of them too. But i was glad or indifferent when they fell in love. And then I loved the couple slowly. The ones I was shipping were Harry and Luna. I'll still fight for them.
@evix.9888
@evix.9888 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with what you said, I love Hermione and Ron together. I really want to hear your thoughts on Draco's character and Neville's. For me Neville had the biggest character development I have ever seen , he went from being a shy easily-scared kid to a hero!!
@CrystalGoddess90
@CrystalGoddess90 3 жыл бұрын
I had a discussion about Neville with a couple of friends of mine a few weeks ago. They also agreed that he truly matured, grew and came to terms with being a Gryffindor instead of a Hufflepuff❣ He wanted to be placed in Hufflepuff, but I think he faced more challenges as a Gryffindor and that made him grow. The Take (previously called ScreenPrism) said in a video that Neville is one of the unsung heroes of the story. He grows, but knows how to pick his battles. Despite being a Gryffindor instead of a Hufflepuff, he remains humble and sweet. While he is not my absolute favourite character, he is one of the absolute sweetest. He is such a little cutie and sweetheart💛❤
@evix.9888
@evix.9888 3 жыл бұрын
@@CrystalGoddess90 I agree he is such a sweetheart❤️
@gabrielleduplessis7388
@gabrielleduplessis7388 3 жыл бұрын
It was not the argument over the pets, but how Ron just forced the argument that she cried and that is what he did all year. I did enjoy the scene at the shrieking shack. It was a sweet moment between the two.
@beatrizoliveira9344
@beatrizoliveira9344 3 жыл бұрын
Yesss, please make more of these! I need a Harry video, a Harry and Ginny video, a James, Lily and Snape video... Bring it, girl! ☺️
@Esmeralda2diamon
@Esmeralda2diamon 3 жыл бұрын
I love Ron and Hermione as a couple . ❤️When I read the books I got so happy when they finally ended up together.
@jesuskun3673
@jesuskun3673 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video on Harry/Cho. That date at Madam Puddifoot's was just so hillariously awkward. I would have loved to see it on the movie.
@davidsantiagotate7380
@davidsantiagotate7380 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with your points, the book Ron and hermione were a good match for each other
@farzanas.1362
@farzanas.1362 3 жыл бұрын
I had it both ways, at first I was really convinced that Ron and Hermione are perfect together as we all have cultivated the notion of "opposite attracts".. but then as one grow older and learns more about love and live in general, one really realises that the its simply a myth. One needs a common ground for forming a successful relationship. And apart from their friendship with Harry, Ron and Hermione had literally nothing in common.. but still one could argue that Ron made her feel needed, coz she did everything for him and felt validated. And Ron was really depended on her, and even in the 8th book where the story picked up 19 years later.. She still was nagging Harry into doing his paperwork. So they never changed or developed themselves in any way. I love the world JKR has created, but I simply cant relate to the characters at all. In my opinion they dont make any sense. The side characters like Neville, Luna or even Draco are way better developed and follow a natural flow than the main characters.. their path make way more sense.. than someone like Harry, who fought his whole childhood for surviving, working as an Auror..
@PenguinNinja45
@PenguinNinja45 3 жыл бұрын
I liked Ginny and Harry because Harry became a weasley and vice versa Ron and Herminone
@arianna5270
@arianna5270 3 жыл бұрын
That’s the only reason I liked them together. Harry and women with red haired becoming a thing that runs in his family. Otherwise I ship Luna and Harry. To me Luna was the only person who could truly understand the darkness within Harry.
@stefan4159
@stefan4159 3 жыл бұрын
@@arianna5270 Ginny understands Harry's darkness better due to both being uniquely touched by Voldemort in such a personal way.
@arianna5270
@arianna5270 3 жыл бұрын
@@stefan4159 See I disagree. Ginny was possessed one time at 11 years old and had an empassioned sense of right and wrong. Luna chose to engage with darkness and see things from her own special perspective, she watched her mom die at a young age and always had an airy persistence about her and usually was right. I love book Ginny but her and Harry are so similar in so many ways but when it’s comes to complexity and seeing an issue from all perspectives I just don’t see her as getting it. Headstrong, brave, fiery are all good attributes but seemingly would lead to conflict over the long term if both spouses were that way. I just felt like Luna would have understood the darkness AND brought in the light. I get being team Ginny though the book was written with her meant to be Harry’s spouse.
@abyach62
@abyach62 3 жыл бұрын
I looooove every video you do. I love how they are so well prepared, how the are very well constructed. And now that you are talking about Harry Potter i couldn't be HAPPIER ! I would reaaally love to see a similar video about Harry and Ginny (I would love to hear you insights)
@irissu02
@irissu02 3 жыл бұрын
I must say as someone who grow up with the movies (like literally because I’m a 2002 kid, and not with the books because of my dyslexia reading was hard when I was little) I never ever EVER shipped Harry and Hermione, like it was just an evidence that Ron and Hermione where « meant to be ». And I always thought it was sad to ship Harry and Hermione because it was for once a great exemple of guy/girl friendship, they were such cute best friends and didn’t need to be more. What I really like about Ron and Hermione relationship was how natural it developed during the years in the movie, like there is hint spread to show that that have a « different » bond.
@zaramalk3136
@zaramalk3136 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a bit late to this but great analysis! I was a bit reluctant clicking the video but I’m so glad I did. Well balaced analysis, would love to see more hp content from you! I would also like to add my two cents about how hermione indirectly helped Ron’s character development throughout the books. Many people don’t notice these slight improvements in Ron’s character that were indirectly caused bc of hermione. Like Ron’s treatment to the house elves before and after. During GOF he didn’t really care for them, would usually tell hermione that they like being enslaved, wouldn’t really bother hermione with SPEW unless she asked him to, etc. But in deathly hallows in midst of a war where hermione completely forgot abt the house elves, Ron didn’t. He reminded them of the elves and that they should free them! He went from “they are content with the way they’re living to realising that they really have no choice but to be content with it, etc.” and that’s when hermione finally kissed him! To me that was perfect timing for the kiss, to have him reminding her of something she held close to her heart. It’s a lesson she indirectly taught him, it’s one of my favourite moments of them together bc you get to see that he was actually listening to her all this time, his words were still on his mind even when they were in the verge of dying in a war. It’s something she finds important, thus making it important to him (in some sorta way). There are many other examples of Ron’s development that were indirectly caused by hermione, but this was my absolute favourite! they really compliment each other in a great way. Btw I’m sure I’m not the only on who noticed that hermione adopted a cat version of Ron (ginger, grumpy, an outcast who isn’t wanted, etc). That was the cutest thing!
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne 3 жыл бұрын
i never noticed that but its so true! crookshanks reminds me of ron. so cuteeee
@therandomshow_
@therandomshow_ 3 жыл бұрын
I think Hermione was so perfect in the films is partially because the director said himself ( I think, pretty sure, but not 100% ) that Hermione was his fav character in the series. In an older behind the scenes thing I watched awhile ago. So he wanted her to shine more maybe? Seeing as she was his favorite?
@logann-mackenziefroste563
@logann-mackenziefroste563 3 жыл бұрын
OMG! Ron and Hermione and James and Lilly is so much similar than Harry and Ginny.
@brisebastiano4974
@brisebastiano4974 2 жыл бұрын
Girl, you nailed this! Lol I completely agree with you on all points! People argue with me about them together all the time, but yeah there's no way that Harry and Hermione would have made sense! Plus, Harry is totally obsessed with Ginny almost the entire time! Ron was a dumb dumb and Hermione was overly critical at times, but like you said, they balance each other out👌 Hermione needed a partner who wasn't going to have the same ambitions as her. She became the minister of magic and he isn't bothered by that one bit lol great perspective here, spot on! P.S. I never even noticed the parallels between them and Mr. and Mrs. Weasley! Friggin brilliant, makes total sense!
@EmmaryMarshall
@EmmaryMarshall 3 жыл бұрын
you should talk about the toxic pairings created by the fans. These being dramione, snily, drarry, etc. or how a lot of people can’t separate canon from headcanons because of the rise in popularity of fanfictions and so on. love these videos sm
@NuclearKat
@NuclearKat 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t say I’ve ever really cared for Harry Potter but I am here for this!
@neutraliv899
@neutraliv899 3 жыл бұрын
My only hp ship with the students are Harry and Ginny. It might be bcz they are both my favs, along with Ron. Plus Ginny is such a badass in the book and I can see and feel Harry when he looks at her and his feelings about her growing. Ron and Hermione wasn't a ship of mine growing up, even if Ron is my all time favorite hp character (I think I have a thing for red heads when u look at my pfp being Chuuya) Idk, their relationship just never really applied to me, doe I won't lie- they were cute in the books~~
@stefan4159
@stefan4159 3 жыл бұрын
I'm the same, I love Harry & Ginny together, they are my favourite pairing. Ron/Hermione, on the other hand, while I still ship them, it's to a much lesser extent.
@SocialExperiment232
@SocialExperiment232 3 жыл бұрын
I definitely don’t think Harry and Hermione matched up at all. Where do people even get that? They had zero chemistry. Harry wasn’t sweet to her or even prioritize her. He loves her as a friend but he liked Ron better. I think Ron and Hermione were really sweet as a teenage couple when it’s all about the butterflies and about how cute everything is and how sweet they are but what I wonder is if that would have transcended as adults. When I first read the books I was an absolute Ron and Hermione shipper and even cried when they finally kissed but now that I have my husband I think about how much I enjoy our shared interest and deep conversation. Hermione was a very well read and factual person and as an adult I feel that she would craved that deeper intellectual connection. I feel like if I had dated Ron I would have loved how cute and funny and sweet he was but I would have grown out of it because I would desire that mental stimulation and to have someone who cares about the same things. I don’t know in retrospect they were really sweet how they went from the “I’m too young to know what liking someone is so I’m just gonna pull their hair” kinda stage to growing into people who can have a relationship but I wonder how it would have worked as adults. They definitely saw the value in each other and Ron thought very highly of her that she was valuable and that’s amazing but Idk maybe some people are all right with someone who is mostly a complimenting partner but I guess personally I really value sharing those interest with my husband. Oh and this is all in reference to the books because in the books they made wayyy more sense in the movies Ron was just the comic relief and a lot of depth was taken a way so that’s why some people might think they didn’t make sense at all because the movies did make it seem like she was out of his league. Man I could talk about this for hours 🤣 please make more Harry Potter videos!
@selectedshipper8282
@selectedshipper8282 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t care what anyone says, I will go down with this ship
@Aaarandom
@Aaarandom 3 жыл бұрын
Omg yes! More hp videos please and thank you 💜
@becca5161
@becca5161 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see more Harry Potter content in the future! ♥
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