We NEED To Talk About Throne And Liberty

Spent the past week playing the Throne & Liberty open beta. There are things I like about the game, but overall, unfortunately, I don't think it's very good. Let's talk about Throne & Liberty.

[@ForceGamingYT]

Ultimately I'm happy to hear so many people enjoyed Throne & Liberty. As covered in the video, there's plenty of things I think the game does very well and I expect it'll have an audience, whatever the size. Bottom line for me is that I didn't enjoy the combat, no matter the settings I tweaked (Skill buffer, snap casting, etc). And if after 30 hours I'm still not digging combat, it's clear the game's not clicking for me. I hope everyone has a blast at launch, nothing beats the first week of a new MMO coming out. As mentioned at the end, I think everyone should give the game a shot seeing as it's free. But unless those combat updates dramatically overhaul the fundamentals of combat (and not just add AoE, reduce cast time, change elemental attacks, etc), I suspect I won't play more than a few days. We'll see though. GLHF.

[@nathaliemiasanch2525]

The amount of work and love devs are giving to this game is insane. Also, endgame is really good and combat change a lot give a try in global release.

[@AlleyCatNinja]

@ForceGamingYT There it is. The disclaimer comment meant to set up future vids on the game without looking like a hypocrite now that the realization set in that most of the audience didn't agree with your take.

[@Eurosdown]

For what it's worth, the reception to the changes in the Korean version seems to be pretty positive. Guess we'll see in September.

[@JEGP1993]

You're a liar dude, probably you're well paid by a company to say those things. A lot of mistaken data in your video, with tendency to make formulate a negative opinion for no reason. For example, the game is not PvP focused, that's a complete lie.

[@ForceGamingYT]

@@AlleyCatNinjagiven the video is overwhelmingly positive likes, seems most actually do agree. But - as I said in the video, I’m certain this game will have an audience of fans. Similar to how I felt about The First Descendant - I can see why people will like the game, it’s just not for me.

[@LumbOfmyGOD]

For me the problem with modern mmos is that you have to spend too much time in menus clicking things to get pointless rewards to promote their cash shops instead of actually having fun in the game

[@MixMeister5000]

Agreeeed!

[@semmert]

welcome to the Asian market.

[@willo1345]

Yea, that's why I don't like MMO's from the east. All the menus take you out of the game and it frustrates the hell out of me.

[@tkraft1442]

Always been like that in asian mmos

[@aqvamarek5316]

Learn to ignore the red dots, until you last 5min of game session, than cklick all at once.

[@danielov_style1950]

Asmongold gonna watch the entirety of this video and reupload it on yt im 100% sure of it

[@nadger1337]

While he nods and repeats things.

[@KrazyKanzo]

@@nadger1337man y’all some haters lol.

[@TragicDestrucTt]

@@KrazyKanzohow is what they’re doing hating? I mean they are probably right and im willing to bet on it but that doesnt mean im hating lol.

[@v-alfred]

​@@KrazyKanzonah dude it's facts. That's what Asmon do, his viewers are just mind-numbed/dumbed-down/high. Pick which one.

[@sbqz00]

@@KrazyKanzo truth = hating kek

[@byrdfeathers3552]

I actually really enjoyed my time in the game. I got to like level 40 and had fun the whole time. Looking forward to the combat changes. Not sure about the longevity of the game though.

[@DavidHeich]

@@heoar12 absolutely not, game at level 40 is like 10% of the game, and 0.1% of the combat. so everyone saying this is outright lying.

[@JustxLiving909]

@@heoar12wrong reply think your talking about the asmondgold comment section

[@Ren3gade]

The graphics are great and it runs so smooth... but I couldn't make it past 2 hours due to how awful the combat and extensive menus are.

[@DavidHeich]

@@Ren3gade every mmorpg combat is awful till you reach a certain point, reaching certain point in other mmorpgs take 40 times longer. again where's the point?

[@byrdfeathers3552]

@@JustxLiving909 lmao what did this person say? I think the comment got deleted

[@amushyforyou6083]

People forget the fact that: 40% of players are casual. 85% of players (including the casual) are PVErs. 15% of players (or less) are PVPers.

[@DELETORES]

@ForceGamingYT do you still hold the opinion? Most have changed their opinion and i'm curious what you think now after all the updates (esp. the combat) and the roadmap

[@angelaraya9268]

it feels like a classic mmo but with modern graphics, that's good

[@unknown-xu1vd]

game looks great for what it is! free entry also, can't wait to play!

[@xabiermorales7781]

Prepare ur money, for f2p players is a waste of time

[@habrumgespielt5417]

@@xabiermorales7781 have u really collected so little information, that u would say that? The only thing u can buy an advantage is from the auction house (players have to farm for that stuff to sell it there) and its just the early time. The best-in-Slot weapons (Archboss) sold maybe 5-10 times in KR, thats nothing if you look into the Pvp with 1000 Players

[@abdelrahmanrad]

@@xabiermorales7781 the game is not even p2w anymore as of 2 days ago. they removed traits trading.

[@Rckstar00]

Theres nothing classic with 53434 types of menus in it imo

[@royyoon0118]

I am in love with this game and can’t wait for the global launch in September!

[@Scout7wc]

Same! This game is going to be epic fun!

[@WayneTwitch]

You mean when it goes ftp with cash shops ? lawl

[@royyoon0118]

@@WayneTwitch no

[@royyoon0118]

@@WayneTwitch never mentioned anything about that so no

[@WayneTwitch]

@@royyoon0118 Um yes LAWL

[@Rednul33]

Do you think you’ll make another video on release? I’ll be curious on your thoughts on any progress/ changes they have made

[@jellomoose]

It is interesting watching this right after watching Kanon's video where he went over thew new skill system stuff that is coming - it seems like a lot of that will emphasize or even reward moving in combat.

[@CloudSea_Pirate]

The beta was extremely impressive from my perspective. Feels like a better version of Guildwars 2 with elements of FF14 and DAOC. Its been interesting to see so many KOLs rolling out videos wildly discordant with my experience. The GW2 launch received similarly mixed sentiment.

[@frankvermillon9576]

Daoc was the goat for pvp

[@abdelrahmanrad]

This. 100% agree.

[@jacksheldon8566]

In what way is it better than GW2?

[@mactassio21]

Lmao. Mark my words. This person won't be playing the game past the 1st week

[@CloudSea_Pirate]

@jacksheldon8566 Combat, buildcraft, content (better dungeons, open world dungeons, PvP just as good), visuals and even the story. Basically feels like an all around upgrade and Guildwars 2 is a great game so I mean this as high praise.

[@aqvamarek5316]

Guild is must have, even "Raid bosses are linked to your guild and the progress of the guild". There are the open world bosses, which are PVP or PVE, and there are Guild only bosses, which can be done on a weekly basis.

[@ItsDopeScope]

I’ve played mmo for years with far less responsive skill use and way worse combat then throne and liberty. A lot of us have as well. The optimization, graphics, dungeons, item and skill tailoring are top notch in this game. This was the only beta ever where I had literally zero issues. Oh and I almost forgot open world pvp, siege, and guild pvp/pve content. The combat will get better with time and patches. I had a total blast playing with the guild I joined and doing pvp.

[@Tsukiiyo7]

Don't forget the game has been out for months in korea already, I wouldn't compare it to other betas. They've had plenty of time to iron out any performance issues.

[@ronelz999]

P2W and PVP game what could go wrong. Theres a reason why this failed in SK.

[@wowfoelifewarcrack3297]

I agree this game ran great an blew me away how good it is I couldn't believe how many players on screen at once stunning game 09/12 let's go❤

[@VaracolacidVesci]

This game wont last hyped for more than a vouple of months. F2p players will be sick of being kicked off their asses and quit. P2w players will try to make their spending last but will have noone to fight against.

[@TheXboxSux]

TLDR: I like PVP.

[@haseo8640]

Ok so let me ask this which is better? New World Aeternum+Angry Earth DLC or Throne and Liberty when launching this October?

[@thepainkiller5527]

I know I'm quite late for commenting on this but I am interested in getting throne and liberty but unsure whether it's worth dropping ESO over this and I have put a lot of work into ESO but I wanna know if it's a good idea to look into this or just stick with what I'm already playing. I don't do anything PvP related and just want to do questing and whatnot solo like I pretty much already do in ESO, any opinions would be appreciated before I decide to get throne and liberty.

[@MartinT]

I'm still gunna play this when it comes out, I only have a console so this actually looks like being one of the better MMO options available on console. I like that this is still a balanced review by Force and I'm hoping this game evolves over time with more content

[@jefepeeps4308]

Do you think you'll be buying New World on Console?

[@onedollarjon]

I actually really enjoyed my time with the beta. Everything felt great to me.

[@game-rlife2571]

Same with me I honestly can’t wait for the release of the game I wanted to play more of the beta

[@zonedout3390]

Play actual good games this one isn't it. Can't wait to give money away and P2W your victory. No wonder the gaming industry is failing at producing quality

[@BroBdoubleE]

​@zonedout3390 time or money, not p2w but pay for convenience. Plenty of decent MMOs already do that. Elder scrolls online limits your inventory. Plus if you get a good guild you may never have to pay anything... also the game hasn't came out... how do you know how pay to win it is? Is it elder scrolls online level (mostly inconvenient. ) and annoying or Diablo immortal level where in pvp you don't stand a chance against a whale... (heavy bull shit level of pay to win.) I personally think it will be the former not the ladder.

[@bramador808]

I think that the game starts slow, but it gets really good when you get more abilities. What I’m impressed about is the quality of the servers not going down with all the people in one place, really smooth and fun for the world bosses and pvp

[@coreylett5605]

What mmos do you usually play if you dont mind my asking??

[@TLVAGA]

Is it worth going back to new world ? loved the gameplay...

[@babajaga3386]

On consoles what are you be preferred to play? Throne or New World ?

[@ondrejsamek6856]

Wow, interesting question since Im in beta test on ps5 where, I do have a fun but game seems not optimized on the console , the gameplay is not smooth but I still do have a ton of fun

[@VioletBreed]

Throne felt better

[@zonedout3390]

Niether they both blow dog water, FF14 is great tho

[@BadKarma.-]

ESO or FF

[@babajaga3386]

@@BadKarma.- both its old and shit xd

[@johngone1nonly]

Man i really enjoyed the beta. Free to play so ill def play it a bit. End game is where the real answers lie

[@coroto]

its another generic korean P2W crap.

[@jeffreyfahie1502]

I haven't played a game this much in ages. I couldnt believe my eyes when i finished a 13hr session on Tuesday. It was beyond fun. Im not entirely sure where the negativity is stemming from. No game is perfect but TL is definitely good. And only getting better.

[@handles_are_idiotic]

It's coming from people being scared of the game being virtually dead in KR, and expecting the worst. pay 2 progress absolutely obliterates pvp focused games and makes guilds unify based on which spends the most, which causes everyone to form an alliance and suddently new players/guilds can't compete.

[@LoneKuroRaifu]

So your only issue is the required player interaction for content? Even if its PVP its not like you'll go up against the same guild each time I'm certain.

[@MOTHexe]

To be fair, it is as likely to survive as any other PVP focused MMO that has come before it, and by that I mean.. not very likely. I don't personally have an opinion, though. I haven't tried it, don't really care to. But statistically speaking, pvp focused MMO's do not do particularly well.

[@Garlock099]

Thank you, sir, for your honest thoughts. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[@strazce2389]

Try out the Kr version with the new system and combat changes feels smoother and more engaging. I do feel though for them to survive PVE is a must in this day and age especially if the story and expansions are interesting

[@michaelmleczko6163]

thanks so much for honest opinion. seems i share much of the same frustration with these games so I'll keep waiting for Ashes..

[@Melphyx]

what headphones are u using in this video?

[@augustinop8584]

If they add all the new updates they are doing with the KR version right now to the global release in September - then it will be worlds different and improved. During open beta, if you look at at the world map we were only gated to about 1/3 of the world. Kanon (YT streamer) explains it well.

[@dawidduda7298]

I really enjoyed the beta. Graphics looks really good well optimazed, gameplay was just like in MMO. Combat wasn't bad could put more skills on L2 instead of menu thing ( played on console). Definitely will go back in September.

[@helljumper_]

My main issue is how on rails it feels. They may have removed the autoplay but they cant remove the mobile game port feel.

[@Pixiwish]

100% this felt very mobile game.

[@FllickerOnnekas]

as someone who really enjoyed this beta and am planning to waste allot of time in the game on release, i still totally agree on your points here. Im really hoping they add some much needed solo content for this game sooner rather then later lol

[@cinorikese5890]

I have 1 single question: Will this game be playable without a guild or do you really need friends/groups to achieve anything in the game? How long can you play the game without social interaction?

[@chr1sbs202]

I´m also critical about any p2w options and so on, but what exatly is the difference between buying it ingame or going on a 3rd party website and buying it there? (e.g. G2G). Through 3rd party website you just swiped and had BIS Gear 2hrs later in New World for example.

[@zonedout3390]

This is why FF14 better you have to earn everything such as BiS. You know hard work and skill which apparently nobody has these days cuz swipe card I win yay for participation trophy's

[@GamingLife-vf9oc]

Glad to see a lot of people like the game I thought I was alone can’t wait for it to drop

[@uhhhpvp4691]

I enjoyed it. The combat grows on you after a bit

[@zonedout3390]

Play better games the combat is ass

[@uhhhpvp4691]

@@zonedout3390 I have been playing MMOs since 1998 and have prob played about every MMO out there. You are allowed your opinion but to me you're mistaken. The combat is far smoother than any MMO that has recently come out. Once you get the combos and a rotation the combat is actually fun. The spells also looked great and were not over-whelming the whole screen creating pointless spam on the screen. Even the boss fights were fun and I'm not a PVER I'm a PVPER.

[@ashleynv]

I liked it enough compared to anything available right now that is newer and for a free game, I hope to at least complete the main storyline 😊😊

[@cosasrandom2272]

yo quería que tuviera lore, lastima no veo una historia que me llene aquí, y el combate me echo para atrás.

[@ashleynv]

@@cosasrandom2272 sad for you, but for me i enjoyed enough so I look forward to playing : )

[@angelaraya9268]

why are you hablando in two different idiomas?

[@ashleynv]

@@angelaraya9268 lol why not! Haha!

[@cosasrandom2272]

@@ashleynv LOL ni triste ni feliz, hay mas juegos , ahi lo dejo. Pero ante todo me alegro que puedas divertirte.

[@masterbronumasterbronu795]

Honestly really liked it when I tried it on a whim on KR servers.. then really liked it during open beta.. so I think for me it’s safe to say that I’ll enjoy it on full global release. Especially with skill expressions being available by that time, which people are saying it’s a great improvement!

[@Classic_DM]

In your video clips, it looks or seems to appear that every enemy is a massive block of hit points and the animations don't blend.

[@thebandithing95]

Yeah i can see all the problems you listed, but somehow i've had a great time with the beta. I'm also excited about the new stuff they showed lately. Maybe it will die for me in 1-2 months, but that will be fun so who cares, maybe i will be sad in 5 years cause i can't check back cause the game will be fully dead already. Nevermind, my expectations were low, but i've had a great time.

[@sejuneoh8605]

Game is getting better and better.

[@WayneTwitch]

lawl

[@BadKarma.-]

The beta was last week, it doesn't have much time to get better lmao

[@gainward2]

My problem with modern MMO's is that they are all currency chasing games. "Collect these items, that turn into a currency, that you spend to unlock this thing, that will allow you to fill this gauage, by doing this daily, that Time-Gates you from fun content that you want to do, because you have to upgrade your thing, with these items that drop from the thing that's been gated, because playing what is fun is only allowed once or twice per day, so that you play more, but you don't want to play more now, because you feel that it's a job, because if you miss a day you feel behind, and if you can upgrade your gear with materials you get from the dungeon you did or the content you ran, and it fails, you have to do it all over again, by collecting the currency, to get the thing, to fill the gauge, to do the daily quest, that is time-gated, because you have to upgrade your thing, that can potentially fail, and if it fails you are back to scratch....... .... Unless. You spend real money in our cash shop, in which case, you can..." No, Pass. "But we need the time gate so you don't run out of content" If playing what is fun, in an MMO is considered bad because you 'run out of content' then the content in the MMo is bare bones, and not worth doing in the first place. Let me spend my time the way i want. Thrones and liberty is a perfect example of this,. There's a reason why korea thought it was bad.

[@spengos1]

Regarding the lack of PVE... So does this game have quests and the usual stuff to do when leveling?

[@Stalkercat]

Yes. There is a alot of PVE content, and while leveling you will do PVE. There are PVE events too.

[@serwizzart]

Dude until lvl 50 you do pve even in your sleep you will be slaying monsters. Dungeons are SO GOOD! and they give the best equipment (btw the best gear in this game cannot be bought in auction house)

[@zonedout3390]

​@serwizzart yes they can lol why you lieing

[@thadude3]

Do you think the combat was bad, or you just didn't like how long it took to kill mobs? I feel like the combat is good, but the mobs are kinda health sponges, until late game when you get a build up and running. But that does nothing for the first major part of play through.

[@jestificated]

I found this odd, all the news on end game made it sound like they were doing something exciting.

[@zonedout3390]

Play FF14 for real end game content this one is garbage because it's P2W

[@tehkonijn3058]

Don't trust news, play it yourself and form your own opinion. Your style/enjoyment may differ. Personally, I was very underwhelmed. The game looks nice, combat is decent, but the game is very hollow. Limiting dungeons to 2/day unless you buy (from cash shop) extra tickets is really bad

[@slainetroyard9004]

I had a lot of fun.

[@zonedout3390]

I'm sorry you feel that way

[@slainetroyard9004]

@@zonedout3390 I’m sorry you are you hahaha

[@gunnynui6265]

Game was fun and a breath of fresh air for large scale pvpers.

[@catierambles]

you lost me at "classless" and "open world pvp" that sounds like a nightmare as a solo mmo player

[@aesshiro3474]

The thing about their combat is that it was designed with autoplay before it was released in Korea. They had a massive pushback when the players complained to which they changed to remove it, but you can still feel the traces of auto-combat being there. Now they changed the combat to be more aligned with the initially advertised action tab-targeted combat. This is coming from a player that is currently playing via the Purple Launcher of NCSoft. I'd recommend for players to actually give it a shot and form their opinion once the game releases in the west.

[@BugCatLove]

1:17 Wdym no one is forcing you to play??? You are FORCE gaming

[@MrOMMSSM]

😂

[@buiahhh]

In the recent years, there hasnt been any new MMOs that give us anything interesting, unfortunately... I'm not saying that this one will blow your mind, but I had the opposite experience you did. I went in with little expectation and ended up playing non-stop and getting a KR account waiting for the Global release!

[@GatsuLT]

I don't agree. Loved the beta and the game. Can't wait for launch.

[@DonnyG774]

I agree with much of the negatives you said but some of it was also based on the beta experience and weapon choice. The content at launch is going to be much more than what was visible in the beta since the update to the Korean version came midway of the beta. At launch there will be more pve content like the 6 raids that were available at level 50 and there will be some lifeskilling amont other things. Regarding the feeling of combat you honestly hit the mark but with the sword & shield and wand combo which is more of a support and cc playstyle. Ranged combat feels much better, the movement is actually very important and more responsive. Also, weapons of the same class have different attack ranges on them which means you can get a sword & shield later in the game with more than 2 meter range. With the rest you are right, the game is more focused on large scale pvp which I feel is something that was missing on the market since everything out now is more focused on pve or small scale pvp content.

[@antharper11]

I haven't checked out Throne & Liberty, however from your gameplay it seems like the MOBS are extremely spongy. I wonder if making the time to kill less would help hide the flaws with combat.

[@Dcully]

I kind of liked it, combat needs some work but i will play when released. Ive since discovered tarisland and the combat in that is much better.

[@zonedout3390]

You do realize it's Chinese made right? Like your computer probably got viruses that are stealing your info lol

[@johnny9633]

@@zonedout3390 you're talking like your info isn't taken on the internet anyway

[@clidefrog2]

You're playing this game wrong. Its updated Lineage 2 and im here for it. Get a group, and farm hard. Get gear and win olympiad/castles

[@MASTERVAVI]

For a game that came in December of last year and already implementing a massive combat change is crazy. The game as a lot potential

[@attisthecat]

Good take. I am Primary PvE player. I enjoyed the betas, and will play it. But won’t pay the 5 day early start. Might pay for battle pass, because I am ok with subscription for my MMOs. For a free to play there is lots to do even for PVE casual for a bit. Plus there are already big patches already coming out in Korea first, then we will get it.

[@Mars-1995]

I like the open pvp part. This just makes the game exciting. There is also a point to getting better armor and weapons besides doing more dmg in a dungeon

[@mtkkk]

So glad to read the comments and see many people actually tried the game and loved it. I am also surprised a few people hated the combat so much

[@JordanIdk]

P2W + PvP focused should be enough for everyone to skip this one immediately. P2W in PvE is annoying, P2W in PvP is completely unacceptable.

[@ARealPain]

Nah, it's fine. I'm a f2p and I'm doing just fine in PvP.

[@kurok1tenshi]

@@ARealPain Wait till you aren´t, ppl said the same in BDO in the 1st year...

[@ARealPain]

@@kurok1tenshi I'll still have fun. I played Dekaron(2Moons) for years without being p2w and enjoyed the hell out of it. Lose or win, I'm not gonna get heated because someone wants to pay their way up. I'm not big in PvP, mainly dungeon running. So them buying their way up will only help me in my playstyle. Unlike BDO, where it's PvP everywhere.

[@tomvandenbos3913]

I understand people keep mentioning that this game is pvp focussed. What i dont get is why few people talk about the fact that the developers said their goal is to eventually bring as much PVE content to the table as PVP. They also announced 12 man raids coming in january which I think is really promising overall.

[@andrasylvan9915]

I honestly loved the game. Graphics and music is top notch. The combat, once it clicked for me, became really fun. The Global release will have a new skill customization which might fix some of the problems stated in this video. But that's kinda relative at this point because a lot of people liked the combat as well. A new zone will be released months after the Global release too.

[@dungeonsdudesdragons]

Found myself liking it way more than I thought. Had that excitement the next morning. Cool attack effects, nice mindless enemy killing, curious what the endgame has to offer. That'll be the big decider for me.

[@Xhotic]

No Classes is still a huge L. its a MMO man, what made game devs think players like LESS PLAYER CUSTOMIZATION AND PLAYER POWER?? Like also 90% of the endgame being BigScaled PvP is A HUGE TURN OFF. People like PvP, me as well, however i also LOVE well designed and well made PvE encounters...Im a WoW/Destiny/Division player and i expect nothing less tbh man. Im just surprised they still went the PvP as its main goal.....MMOs do not work that do that, Albion Online is not successful compared to the big boys like WoW FF OSRS etc.....cant just have PvP as your main goal in a MMO Game dude. Hilarious. Game had potential but they are THROWING THE BAG, with barely any PVE in this game like NORMAL MMO. Its DOA, people wont want to PvP/GvG everyday 24/7.... we want some good PvE content and then we will mix it up with that PvP content.... have NCSoft never made a game before? Oh wait THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE.....huge L hope amazon can save it

[@donovanhays]

I agree with you on the classes. If I want to be a Cleric, I want to be a Cleric, with a set skill tree, although it should have many options of ways to play the character but still within the guidelines of what I would expect from a Cleric. There is a ton of customization in this game from what I have seen, I do like classes though, especially in PvP oriented games. It's nice to recognize other classes and have some idea of what to expect from them. It also adds to squad compositions in small group PvP, people will figure out that running 2 healers, 3 casters, 1 tank, and 2 DPS for example is a good mix. PvP is where I disagree with you though, games that try to be good at both PvE and PvP often can't do both well. The only game I've seen do it well was Dark Age of Camelot. Every other MMO since has fallen short on the PvP. Some will disagree, most likely because as you said, you want good PvE content as your main focus and then you'll "mix it up" with some PvP. That ends up being mediocre PvP because it's just something people do occasionally. Some people want PvP to be the focus, for it to be competitive, and engaging. I love RPGs but I'm constantly drawn back to FPS games because I enjoy the competitive, skill driven aspect. The last MMO I sunk a lot of time into was Dark Age of Camelot, because of the PvP. Many people in that game only did PvE when a new item was released so they could get it to take into PvP. However, with that being said, I did enjoy the PvE in that game as well, even though it wasn't my main focus. Everything I did in PvE was to make me more powerful in PvP.

[@jr6366]

Like Rev this game is for the devs to hunt whales mostly. I wouldn't expect a long shelf life on it.

[@lathamtk]

and its Korean, it WILL turn into a pay-to-win, PvP-fest very soon after release.

[@angryralphs2516]

​@lathamtk I don't think it will happen. I think they will copy the likes of genshin.

[@kaanarmutcu6740]

black desert is still alive and kicking

[@Complication84]

The fact that you have to buy their cash shop currency to buy items from the in game Auction House is fucking insane. Korean mmo's are all p2w, but I think this one takes the cake.

[@mathiasbrone3609]

You get cash shop currency by selling items on the AH though.

[@AlleyCatNinja]

The 20+ year long running WESTERN mmo named Eve Online would like to have a word with you child.

[@Stalkercat]

You don't have to buy the currency to get the currency. You can get it by selling food made from fishing and selling items aquired through various means in the game. Everything in the AH is listed for sale by players, similar AH to BDO

[@zonedout3390]

Play FF14 it's best in the genre for MMOs. Nobody going to be playing this garbage in a month, it's DOA

[@twcyc6556]

New modifying skill system that was just updated in KR is insane, to mobs, boss fight and pvp. They just created a variety of choices for how you cope with situations. More AOE skills for mostly any weapons, you can customize skill specialization. I really hope they'd update it soon in Global, people should be enjoying it. About co-op dungeons, firstly you'll get 6 dungeons as we call it first tier, so you can fully grind your first epic tier gear, learn what gear suits you the most and upgrade your gear traits, so you can be ready for next tier dungeon which will be updated later after(not sure how long for global), which is harder and require and cooperation of teammates. Your gears have to be at some point already at the time. All that being said should take you a considerably amount of time which i think is enough for 6 dungeons. Once new patch is updated, you'll get another 5 dungeons to grind new epic2 tier sets and weapons. Open field dungeon is just for grinding sollant and clear contract quests basically, doesn't have much meaning in my point of view.

[@heroblake6572]

What I love the most about this game is that the devs continue to cook and add features we want. The combat now has a tripod system which totally changes the game. They are also adding more pve activities. Most games release with barely any added content or quality of life but NCsoft continues to improve. The future looks bright for this one. Give it a chance.

[@Braven-j7m]

saw this coming a mile away, people are just so desperate for a new mmo they will convince themselves anything new will be great

[@BrianMcComas1978]

there are a ton of things in Throne and Liberty that you LEARN over time the game opens up to new things. no way you can experience it all in a 4 day game play.

[@dukiino739]

here before asmonbald steals the video

[@blemonhead78]

I really enjoyed it. Play every new MMO release (not that there are many) and this one gave me the itch again. Played every day of Beta and look forward to release.

[@cowboys808]

One of the best feeling games out there in a long long time! FPS, graphics, performance were all wayyy above average and helped tie me in thematically and I guess I'm starting to prioritize that over other things lately. Especially after Final Descendant and Once Human, which are both horrendously optimized.

[@Casual_BackPacking]

I am forsure going to play it

[@kendallpayne9823]

Brother I love your reviews. But you got this one wrong. Throne and Liberty is far from perfect but the core gameplay was extremely fun especially if you enjoy pvp. I dnt blame you for forming this analysis tho, it definitely has some clunkyness to the combat for sure but adjusting your settings can help a bit. Doesn’t solve the problem but can help. If you want large scale fun with loads of friends you will love throne and liberty. If you want solo loner pve content like my guy here you won’t like it.

[@tarkelson2457]

nothing about this game is unique

[@Bboss83]

i love this game

[@SiliconSlyWolf]

I honestly never understood most of these guild based PvP games, considering most players want to play exclusively to win, especially as that's how you get most rewards faster or at all, and then it's objectively best to dog pile all onto the one wining side, at least until it's so lopsided you kill off the entire point of the game. It's the most literal example of optimizing the fun out of the game.

[@TheOutsider69]

Character creator was pretty okay. Wanted to stop playing after 15 minutes (not joking, I have 15m playtime). Sigh. Why can't there just be a good MMO.

[@Iblysi]

Worst combat i have ever experienced in an mmo. This game was already dead during the Open beta. after a week or two this game will be.

[@bradkirchhoff5703]

This is your 1st mmo then bc the combat is perfectly fine.

[@ARealPain]

If you're older than 12, you know this combat is just fine. Plus, how do you compare an open beta vs the full release??

[@aleXtreme_]

I believe you have a MMORPG depresion. Many of the things you say are just fine or at least above average for the majority if not 90% of the players. You are looking for the perfect game dude, get over it, it ain't happening any time soon. Start rating games based on a more realistic approach You have created an image of a game critic that everytime something stinks or doesn't feel good

[@karma5140]

Feel like you just went into the game with a already negative view and not biased at all. Like really? Whats not to love the game looks amazing and feels great theres plenty of different play styles to do and you got the combat. I dont understand why people always try to put down the fun and good stuff and hype up the bad.

[@budrothefox3666]

i really enjoyed the spirit guardian quest and the corresponding mechanic. i dont wanna spoil anything but it was awesome. the character customization is amazing as well

[@davidberliner1403]

what is the bext MMO you have ever played?

[@igrilledhnc]

I think a lot of people forget what this game was supposed to be. You couldn't move when attacking and just clicking auto would allow you to walk away while your character still attacked enemies. I get that not everyone is going to be head over heels in love with it but at least give them a chance. The devs have already talked about how there isn't much PVE content in game and they are already working on expanding on this (which imo is huge because this is a PVP focused game).

[@zonedout3390]

I haven't forgotten and I refuse to support it. Zebra don't change it's stripes now do they? Anyone who supports this game gets what they got which is debt from a P2W game.

[@yelloeplague]

Possible hot take. My favorite action combat mmo is wildstar

[@zonedout3390]

I never got to play it but I do want to point out the game is dead and the servers are offline. Good ideas just poorly executed

[@leebu531]

Only got time to play half hour but what did play I enjoyed I'll be giving a go in september

[@jh_box]

@14:39 This game was initially developed as a mobile phone game with auto features such as quest guide, mob killing for EXP grind, etc. NCsoft removed most those auto features very close to their official release date.

[@shadce]

Played a lot of different MMOs in the last 21 years and had my fun in the Beta. To be honest, I really love tab targeting Systems more today, than the fast passing VFX Party we got in some other Games, that change gameing from fun to work at the Keyboard. Bit wondering (negativ) about the new more opinion based Review Style than the past clear arguementiv Style I loved on this Channel in the past.

[@ceazer5963]

After this review im 100% playing it cause everything you said is bull sh*t

[@1112-r3h]

GAME IS GREAT !!! dont listen to streamers...try the game and make your own opinon ! dont be sheep :)

[@shira2151]

Game was amazing. So tired of people who don't like the game crying. Don't play it

[@Mystrasun]

People are allowed to talk about why they don't like something. It helps to make games better. I'll use your own logic. If you don't like videos talking about not liking games you play, don't watch them.

[@shira2151]

​@@Mystrasunno it doesn't. All the hate is propaganda and doesn't critique the game itself. Only thing they whine about is P2W trying to force that argument on us for every game. Developers take most of their feedback from their actual feedback

[@Mystrasun]

@@shira2151 hard disagree. Dismissing people's criticism of the game as propaganda is absurd. I'll concede that many people hate the game unreasonably, but dismissing everything that way is just being a blind fanatic. People are allowed to not like this game and to voice their reasons for doing so, and it absolutely does have P2Win mechanics that are anti consumer. People speaking about that criticism is the only way games can improve. Otherwise publishers can and will exploit you for every penny they can get out of you. If you like Throne and Liberty, more power to you. But you don't get to dictate how other people speak about the game just because you like it.

[@rafaelSilva-xi9rg]

i played CBT and OBT and now im trying the new skill system on korea... i agree with some stuff u said.... the tab targeting is indeed clunky but there is the astral vision mecanic that can make it more enjoyable.... about the combat being clunky and wierd i feel a bit the same on a melle build but on a ranged build is different and better.... the new skills and the new skill system is changing ALOT (i can say it feels a diferent game) as a melle the aoe farm was kinda sad and boring, but now with the new skills adding more aoe to skills and higher range on them it feels very good... i enjoy the game because im a go all out kinda guy and like to be on top... is very pvp focused but they are trying to add more pve to make it a less pvp focus game... but from the begining they said it would be a game around guilds and pvp. I feel like the game lacks something but i enjoy it and want to see where it goes, i hope if goes well on global release and people get over the leveling part because lvl 50 is where the fun starts (the grind is not that bad and is enjoyable). love the video keep it up :)

[@AlooiM]

I really appreaciate your videos you're always honest with your opinion! I respect that o7 regardless of that here's my points (I played KR on launch two character to max level + recent new character to max level with the new change): -Combat is subjective I personally like it and I tried the new changes it makes it way better so that's a + for me ( amazon or ncsoft messed up with global OBT by not introducing the changes that are coming in the global launch) -PvP I agree that if you're not in the big guilds you're about to have a hard time in this game -PvE they introduced tier 2 dungeons and a new tier that you can go from difficulty 1 to 30 so it progressivly gets harder - New life skills which are cooking, fishing and amitoi expedition -P2W we' all agree on that despite it being reduced for global -Population and server merges that's a tough one for sure - Yes this game was never meant to be for solo enjoyers if you don't have a guild don't even bother overall I think the game has a lot of potential and seems heading in a right direction but idk if it's enough or not for most people but for me personally I will be enjoying the game when it launches as I already enjoyed it before the changes in KR and with the changes it just felt better is it gonna be an MMO that brings everyone probably not but it will have it's audience and hopefully a healthy population

[@rakuloe]

Do you also need a Guild to just progress through the chapters? Cuz I had quite some fun just doing quests in the Open Beta. But if that stops after Chapter 3 and you need Guild Stuff to progress I might not even bother with it. Unless I find a fitting Guild.

[@AlooiM]

@@rakuloe you can progress the chapters fine without a guild, the thing is guild store rn is the only way of getting the healing potions for example + the weekly guild raids give you more chance of loot compared to open world raids, there is also guild open world events against other guilds so yes guild improve your progression quite a bit compared to not having one

[@시즈프스]

I'm canceling my subscription because the level of explanation on KZbin, which has over a million subscribers, is below my expectations.

[@shinvolcano]

and @6:00 is exactly why this game will die. No one wants this type of MMo except a select small minority. PVE should have been the focus. and with that, i'm not bothering with this game anymore. Not that it will last long. and before the die hard pvp fanatics who are seething after reading that part, the game is already failing in korea and it's actually out there. any MMO focused on PVP is doomed to fail. and no, certain exceptions don't count.

[@angelaraya9268]

i played it and was very fun tbh

[@zonedout3390]

I'm sorry to hear that

[@ogfullmelt]

Played heavily. Did all the stoey clan activity with pvp action. I loved it. Gave me the feeling that lineage 2 gave me back then. Am dropping alal games ans will play this only. Ready for pvp. And clan vs clan drama and stuff

[@wowfoelifewarcrack3297]

❤09/12

[@SilverFoxUK87]

Long story short - it’s a boring Korean MMO

[@SilverFoxUK87]

Some novel ideas but right now it’s the combat that needs a massive overhaul.