We Play "Win The Game" Cards | S15 E19

[@elijahcampbell3314]

The benefit of watching a Go-Shintai deck in a video is that, unlike real life, you can fast forward through the turn

[@Hatneas]

Before watching this im going to guess that Richard wins, Crim's out first, Tomers a threat early on but peters out and Seth draws a lot of cards

[@as95ms98]

I'm surprised Seth didn't want to go the lab manic or jace route and draw his entire deck lmao

[@charmandenator5686]

That's like 90% of games so safe bet

[@jjvh500]

So the same thing as every other week? 😅

[@skykur]

Tomer’s usually out first

[@joshmg5465]

Way off but Richard does usually win 😂

[@TheIndianaJonas]

"You became archenemy 25 mana ago" Sick line Niuttuc

[@MakeVarahHappen]

You guys should do a random week again. I miss those. Edit: Random card/commander, not chaos week.

[@Lucarioguild7]

Same, there was some bangers like that one where I think Tom got Bajuka Bog and had to build around that lol

[@bbbbwwwws]

Love the irony of all "you win the game" cards in a video taking 3.5 hours for anyone to win the game

[@MrMalorian]

When people can only win via alternate win cons, thus not combat damage, there is no reason to avoid pissing off other players. What are they going to do? Continue to go after their jank alt win con even harder?

[@mightyone3737]

In High Power it's actually pretty common to pretty much ignore combat if your deck doesn't have a payoff from it, it has risks and your pieces are likely more valuable than the chump damage they can get in for. Obviously these are combo decks, but it might include stuff like Craterhoof where you value creatures more for Hoof so you hold them up until you can win, where you're technically a combat damage deck but are really a bad combo deck. There are lots of High Power decks that have ways to punish opponents that don't involve combat damage, stuff like repeatable removal comes up when people aren't ready to win yet and don't want anyone else to either. This is why Infect is sneaky good vs such decks, they often struggle with blockers, and can't concentrate aggro against your infect weenie deck because they just don't have aggro. .

[@zombiemage1451]

for the Darksteel Reactor/Stifle question at around the 2:54:00 mark, it's a triggered ability that goes on the stack and must resolve to actually win the game. the way Reactor is worded, if you stifle the trigger, it will just immediately trigger again. once it has 20 counters, the only way to stop it is to remove it with the trigger on the stack, and then stifle the trigger. it's the same thing that happens when you try to stifle a Dark Depths trigger, it continually checks for the trigger's condition, so as long as the source exists, the trigger will always be created as soon as it doesn't exist on the stack

[@atk9989]

It also makes an infinite loop with Gideon that would end the game in a draw.

[@shayneweyker]

You could also kill the Reactor player with the effect on the stack. That would remove the effect from the stack and the source of the trigger at the same time. Kind of hard to do that in with this game's rules though unless they allowed target opponent loses the game effects, which IMHO would be in the spirit of the rule.

[@HypnoticGG]

​@shayneweyker they are, it came up as acceptable in the game. Door to Nothingness away

[@ImpossibilitySpace]

When Tomer gets his Sterling Grove blown up by Richard's Boseiju, he turns down the search saying he has the only basic in his deck already in hand, but Boseiju lets you search for any land with a basic land type, not any basic land, so shocks, typed duals, and triomes are all fair game.

[@Tater8q3f]

Crim: I won't blow up your board if you let aura shards resolve. Proceeds to destroy Seth's board at the very next opportunity.

[@shadowpsyke]

Aura Shards is unreal and I'm surprised no one really complains about it. It is easily one of my least favorite cards to play against in general.

[@MTGGoldfish]

It got me good this game, that's for sure.

[@RyanEglitis]

@@MTGGoldfish The funny part is that any one of you could have written this.

[@ruudvanlaarhoven5776]

No, Tomer, that's NOT the saddest Extraplanar Lens you've ever seen. That would be the one that exiled your own Vesuva😅

[@MonsterCC]

Nice entertainment for half my work day! Thanks goldfish squad! And special thanks to Niuttuc!

[@pandasawrus]

I really hate aura shards. It’s basically a board wipe that stays in play forever and artificially extends a ton of games.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, it was especially brutal this week since three players were playing artifact or enchantment decks.

[@gigiobozza7615]

​@@ODIRGO 3 people played it

[@babatazyah]

Just a miserable card. I really don't want to see it again.

[@gibbysg8143]

Pretty lame. It’s obviously good but will never see play in any of my decks. I’d prefer everyone have a good time instead of being staxed out of playing certain cards. Just seems overly sweaty and un fun for me to want to play it

[@thatepicwizardguy]

​@gibbysg8143 its a fine card if you can just win quickly off the back of it. Im not upset if somebody slams me with stacks and wins pretty fast... but this game was 3.5hrs long... I feel the same about Armageddon effects, world slayer, etc. Theyre all 100% fine if youre just gonna win. If not then it stops being fun cuz theyre too hard to come back from generally and id rather just play a new game and say you win

[@joshmg5465]

By the time Richard cast the 3rd aura shards I was literally in tears 😂😂😂💀☠️💀

[@ericfletcher7046]

I would love it if someone dropped a hatred on a random attacker to take someone out. And then pull the "Wow, he took them out with combat damage, instant loss!"

[@FuturePreference]

Tomer's oppo agent is a legendary moment omg that was great!

[@WikiED]

Crim is far too scared of bad artifacts while good enchantments are creating layers of control, protection and value. Seth is playing omega jank, infinite mana for the reactor is still tough win without extra turns and only Phil plays those. Crim's threat assessment is very poor considering he's played with the same ppl for years.

[@Delgotto]

The thing I hate so much about the hate for Seth's deck is this plus they are judging artifact decks as though the color of the deck doesn't matter. Seth is playing huge jack plus white and red are the big artifact recursion colors. Sure, you CAN do it in black and blue, but ffs he's proliferating charge counters...you can tell he's not playing a crazy recursive theme. Enchantments...as long as green is involved (and white to the lesser extent), it's the same deck every time...lots of cards and lots of mana.

[@brick4939]

Thats because crim is not doing threat assessment he is doing deflection assessment.

[@shinobu-39]

Okayyy but if Seth untapped with all his pieces the turn after he had all that mana, he would've had the game. It might be jank but artifacts get going when they start going. The threat assessment was right at that point. But that doesn't mean the others weren't a threat either. It just that Seth rightfully had the spotlight. There's an easy thing people need to keep in mind with comparing the two decks: Artifacts snowball faster. Enchantments recover better. You have to assess based on what cards the table is playing to stop them. The only problem is artifacts take longer to recover when wiped out like that. But they definitely couldn't let him untap that time. Unfortunately, Tomer had the Aura shards so it was impossible to get back into the game for Seth. At that point he was practically just getting needlessly wrecked but it's not like he wasn't in the game at all.

[@josephpayton7522]

Phil doesn't play extra turns in Commander.

[@Zentenski]

Clearly, Crim put in those creature buffs because they contribute to his alternate win con (combat damage)

[@whaleofdarkness]

I was expecting him to play Mayael's Aria when I saw those creature buffs but only Tomer plays it.

[@SmashCentralOfficial]

Tomer losing to time on alt win con week is so freaking hilarious

[@justinjones5034]

Especially when he could have potentially won by playing Revel in Riches before Ruinous Ultimatum, as there were 10 creatures in play at the time

[@ElDocBruh]

Tomer: Gets blown out → Crim: Immediately becomes Tomer 2.0

[@GiantDadsShadow]

Literally gasped when I saw the length

[@Niuttuc]

So did I...

[@danielspahn2593]

That's what she said 😅😅😅

[@DylanHunter64]

Idk what's more gear grinding, Seth's refusal to pay for Esper Sentinel, or Crim's denial that it isn't a busted card. You can't have one without the other lol

[@ovaliasol377]

I think it's more gear grinding that everyone complains about it, but no one removes it

[@hanschristopherson8056]

Tomer literally skipped his turn to avoid richard drawing one card 😂

[@shinobu-39]

I'm kinda on Crim's side in a way. Esper Sentinel isn't busted. BUT it plays like it's busted because people refuse to pay for it. I have a playgroup that's pretty disciplined and Remora and Sentinel don't do much in those tables.

[@digitalcardboard]

Can a saint make a montage of everyone’s reaction to Seth not paying the one across all their games ?

[@julianalvarez4231]

That's gotta be at least an hour long. Unfortunately

[@matthugenberg8869]

2:00:35 No seth. It isn't a healthy card for commander. I've been saying it since the card came out. Tef pro is such a feel bad card. At least a counter spell means nobody gets wiped. Tef pro turns all wraths one sided AND makes sure you untap to hold up counter magic for your combo/game winning board. It's just too much. And 3 mana isn't they bad to hold up, especially since it's not a double pipped card.

[@SeriosSkies92]

there are tons of 3 mana mass indestructible spells at 2W to get around boardwipes. tef pro is the only one that also works with exile wipes though. but thats still incredibly tame. it wasnt the deciding factor in you losing. your own deck was.

[@Demahiyuri]

Seth and not paying the 1. Name a more iconic duo?

[@ComfyDents]

Farseek in mono green and winning. ☝️

[@HurricaneGregor]

Didn't pay the 1 to make his Commander indestructible either lol

[@raymondgreen9379]

Tomer and crim having removal for the rhystic/sentinel/tithe in hand and not using it

[@hanschristopherson8056]

Tomer and getting salty at people for not paying the one 😂

[@Thecalebpoe]

Strip Mine and Commandeer 😏

[@amarauk9687]

Ah go-shintai, the absolute best auto pilot deck in all mtg (just remember the triggers lol). Now I need to build it again

[@davidhenriques6372]

This was really entertaining! We don't usually these cards, and a game of commander what this sort of stipulation so that was new and exciting to watch.

[@Spaced92]

"Wait are any of you running you win the game cards, I don't see them!?" 1 hour and 20 mins in, Commenters are going to be salty but this episode is hilarious xD

[@3N3MYKN1GHT]

Anixthea is actually one of the best barren glory commanders hope to see that!

[@StingRay0000]

Richard tutoring for the 3rd aura shards that game was priceless

[@josefbein7049]

ahh yes the good old reacurring seth doesnt pay the 1 debate

[@Dragon_Fyre]

If a player is not going to pay the 1 (at all, as opposed to occasionally), I already know the Rhystic Study player is likely going to win, so I just threaten to go on tilt with everything I can at the player who says they will never be paying the 1 until they change their mind.

[@galleadden]

Aaahhh man Im so sad Richard used Pirs whim instead of giving Seth an elephant with generous gift to then make unblockable with access tunnel

[@shinobu-39]

YASSSS. I was like yohhhhhhh there's a line. There's a liiiiine. But granted, it was 3 hours already. Everyone was probably exhausted and didn't really see it.

[@defro125]

I think Richard just threw the game to have it end.

[@ben_clifford]

2:53:38 That last ability on Darksteel Reactor is a reflexive triggered ability. It will trigger as soon as its condition is met. As long as the triggered ability is on the stack, the card won't check the trigger condition. As soon as the ability leaves the stack, the card will immediately put another copy of the trigger on the stack. (If you're wondering, the card checks for its trigger conditions any time state-based actions are checked)

[@RyanEglitis]

"I'm not going to time out!" - Tomer, who timed out

[@Manance]

Long episode but i've been laughing all the way through it. One of my favs

[@Kristjan0209]

"I'm not going to time out" famous last words

[@ninshjok]

This game reminds me of when Richard say that we watch this games and are entretraining but I do not want to play a game like this hahahahahaha love you guys!

[@kylebillings7593]

So how many times was Tomer countered by Arcane Denial? 3 or 4 right?

[@kaszael]

I know it was already 90 minutes in but Tomer: Boseiju gets you any land with a basic type, not a basic land. You could have gotten a triome from it!

[@marcuspainter4854]

This was a cool idea, and I also love me a good 3+ hour commander clash!

[@andreusemanuel4868]

55:40 "Do they?" And then Tomer just goes into another dimension for a moment out of disbelief.

[@Varler_]

The threat assessment for the first hour was really bad...

[@alexanderandrews6980]

I've got a Gates deck... Last win I had with it was through Crackling Perimeter... It was stupid.

[@daithomas1430]

With the rule of you can't win with combat it doesn't stop you taking out 1 or 2 opponents with combat. There is a difference in the rules to you winning and opponents losing

[@itsazombiethingsgaming1107]

I love watching Crim say don't worry if you let the Aura Shred resolve, it will never target you the rest of this game. Next turn Crim, yeah that attacked me so its dead, and this other thing is dead, and then this other thing is dead. Felt like was watching a live version of Among Us lmao

[@alexandrelima2766]

Seth you should have held on to that tales end to stifle the trigger before doing the clock thing, with 2 counters you coul probably have set up a better turn afterwards

[@philipkelly7369]

>Tomer has Exploration in his starting hand >doesn't play it on turn 1 >doesn't play in on turn 2 alright Tomer then what's even the friggin' point of putting the card in your deck huh

[@ComfyDents]

That made me soooo mad. Preferring a triome over a basic is okay. I would've taken it and slammed the ramp card, but not even second turn is crazy. Plaza enters untapped. Why Tomer? Why? I love you. But why???

[@michaelcollins4534]

Cadira is one of my favorite commanders, glad to see her get repped here

[@NeoSlimey]

On today's episode, Tomer takes game actions he would whine about other people taking against him for 45 minutes.

[@DiscardatRandom]

Everyone does that it’s funny

[@P3rs3cutr0ll]

No mechanized production? Artifact deck with "you win the game" it seems obvious to me.

[@tianruixiao9239]

Aura shards was the MVP! Previously I thought it was very fitting that possibility storm contributed to the longest game, but this also works!

[@johngompers7454]

There was a lot of rules discussion about Darksteel Reactor that never got resolved. Darksteel reactor has what's known as a State Trigger; an ability that triggers whenever the required state (in this case, 20+ counters) is true. The rules for state triggers say they don't trigger again as long as the ability is on the stack. It can be stifled, but it will just trigger again as soon as the stifle resolves so there is little point. With Gideon and his emblem, the reactor will trigger and eliminate everyone else, and then just... keep on triggering. Forever. Unless the reactor or the gideon can be removed, the game ends in a draw.

[@RyanEglitis]

At 1:03:00, I'm not sure why Seth didn't activate his commander to save it. I think it would have stuck around most of the game and possibly got the reactor to 20, or at least a lot closer. He already had 2 lands to hold up whatever counter, and could dump the rest into midnight clock anyway.

[@RyuPlaneswalker]

Re : Tomer's Opposition Agent "YOU WERE EXPECTING CRIM BUT INSTEAD ITS ME..TOMER!"

[@StarskySTARS]

I get that its not completely serious but it is kiiinda silly that tomer complains about seth letting richard draw cards when Tomer is just drawing cards off of every spell he plays haha

[@twhite9615]

Seth's deck seems to be the only synergistic one with cards that help his win condition directly. Crim and Tomer are just like "my win con is an enchantment therefore its an enchantment deck."

[@Sinistra359]

Who cares

[@twhite9615]

Just pointing out the difference in deckbuilding strategies.@@Sinistra359

[@Ezepasch]

Seth mentioning happily ever after as tomer drew it was crazy

[@_claymore]

Crim: "I have Heliod's Intervention.. its in my deck!" Me: checks deck list... it is not there... damn liar :D

[@jewpcabra666]

37:00 Tomer declares war on Richard. what a great moment

[@colyrne]

Every time i see a Tef's protection played i get one step closer to putting Disciple of Caelus Nin into every white deck i own 😮‍💨🤣

[@johncameron1935]

How to become archenemy with a single creature, lmao

[@colyrne]

@@johncameron1935 that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. If the table is suffering, nobody gets a free pass (unless it's me) 😒🤣

[@PrestonThorpe]

"You became Archenemy 25 mana ago." Hahahaha

[@LionWithShades]

Artifact Vs Enchantments? Sounds like a good Commander Clash theme.

[@Skywarp2099]

For Seth, Tomer, and the grammar nerds, the correct pronunciation of the word Aegis is: ee - juhs. The emphasis is placed on the first syllable "ee" when spoken.

[@T_Peazy]

I think that you all should have made the rules: You can kill people, but you can't kill everyone. You have to "win the game" before the last person dies.

[@VRanger100]

One day, I wanna see a Hedron Alignment win against Tomer as a flavor win. I bet it has to be a Rule 0 win, but a man can dream.

[@ImpossibilitySpace]

Claire d'Loon, Joy Sculptor is an Un-Commander that is perfect to rule 0 for this. You make a bunch of token copies of Hedron Alignment with all the blue effects that allow you to copy permanents. If you can make enough tokens and get them back in your deck, you can also win with Battle of Wits.

[@maciekrakrak]

I’m such a big fan of y’all, really wishing we could watch you play tabletop. Also damn do you guys visit Europe for us overseas fans? (Lmao that would be so funny if they are actually in Europe and im just stupid)

[@Niuttuc]

A good chunk of the crew was at Magiccon Barcelona at the end of July, though that's not something that'll happen often. Some are in Europe part time or all the time. Last week's episode was recorded in tabletop at magiccon Vegas, if you want one of those.

[@maciekrakrak]

Oh, good to know! Thanks :D @@Niuttuc

[@WiLDRAGE777]

Tomer needs to play Slicer every week because these games have too much durdling.

[@Medicinalmagic911]

58:39 more durdling!!! More!!! 🎉

[@benknock981]

"all of my win conditions are a you win the game"- tomer "are they?"- seth

[@pidgeotroll]

They play Opposition Agent every single game, and yet only Crim has ever actually read the card. ("You shouldn't be able to see his hand." and "Why don't the lands go onto the battlefield?" from Seth and Tomer, respectively.)

[@MrGrovak]

The argument over paying or not ultimately leaves the controller ahead, you don't pay and the player that played it gets ahead, you do pay, and the player who played it still gets ahead. Either outcome the controller of the tax effect is getting ahead of everyone else whether its on card advantage or mana advantage.

[@shinobu-39]

That's true but in a more casual table, the effects of delaying turns doesn't get out of control compared to them drawing more cards.

[@MrGrovak]

@shinobu-39 On a casual table it shouldn't matter as much overall in either circumstance then since everyone is there for the social interactions. Also slowing 3 people down on ramping early turns can still make the difference in allowing the player with the rhystic effect enough time to win while no one has the ability to interact. It's a lose/lose for everyone who doesn't have that permanent.

[@shinobu-39]

@@MrGrovak I guess it depends on how people build their decks but drawing more cards usually has a bigger effect than delayed turns in a lower powered table. Rhystic is more noticeable in casual though and is definitely a menace. Esper is more manageable in a responsible pod. In particular, casual tables tend to have more creatures that they can go for with an Esper out at least.

[@SmilingFish415]

I always forgot how obnoxious it is to watch seth play against rhystic study, especially when it's so free for him to do it. Glad we got another chance to remind me

[@cloudroth6]

Its fine, let him play how he wants to play

[@patrickbailey7988]

Blame the esper sentinel not the player who doesn't pay

[@Sinistra359]

Boo hoo cry more loser

[@lithor7121]

where are you playing? Is it an official magic game? Can you mount the dexk you want?

[@Niuttuc]

Magic the Gathering Online, or MTGO, an official if a bit dated client with access to most cards. You can find more info in the article that's the first link in the description.

[@louisoncolin6025]

To have one more turn, Richard could have generous gift a land from Seth and thank to the seedborn muse could have tunnel the 3/3 through to put Crim under 40 life … but it was time for this game to end 😅😅

[@HypnoticGG]

Couldn't he just kill the Felidar with the Generous Gift instead?

[@ben_clifford]

When Seth was on 2 lands, and his offer was "if you promise not to blow up my artifacts, then I'll pay the 1," his opponents should have jumped on that offer

[@furnace6441]

Tomer and seth were at each others throats in this one

[@alexandrelima2766]

Aaaaaah 3 mins into the game and Tomer already punts by failing to play exploration on turn 1 when it's literally the sole purpose of the card

[@MineRoyale.]

saving it for the enchantress makes sense to me.

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

I decided not to because I didn't want to become archenemy right off the bat. I wanted to slowroll my hand a bit. Might have been a mistake but I'm okay with it.

[@alexandrelima2766]

​​@@MineRoyale.That is super greedy plus playing the enchantress on 2 would have allowed him to find a land early and potentially ramp again, it's not like he was going to run out of enchantments to play

[@alexandrelima2766]

@@MTGGoldfishCommander no fear Tomer No FEAR

[@verc8844]

@@MTGGoldfishCommander then why slot the card into your deck? Couldve had some other useful enchantment

[@Nathanael_Forlorn]

"if I play my commander, than he will cast a mass artifact destruction spell. I cant im scared." Literally holds fierce guardianship. Having his commander actually makes him safer. Never change buddy. 😂

[@metaljeffx]

End game they coulda used generous gift on the non winning opponent and access tunneled it to reduce the life total

[@RyanEglitis]

Nice line

[@xhuntbig5684]

Is aura shards meta gaming in I win the game week?

[@DaCalZone]

The best alternate wincon is making your opponents time out with MODO lag

[@MakeVarahHappen]

One mana triple stone rain? Too much. Ancestral recall every turn cycle? Bring it on.

[@ODIRGO]

Alternate wincons again? Didn't you do this recently already?

[@canoli62]

To answer Tomer's question Aegis is pronounced EEE-jus

[@alaraplatt8104]

EEEE

[@jacobballard8612]

Technically, with this weeks theme, you can kill a player with combat, you just can't kill the last player

[@aidanschauer1581]

What a great idea

[@DiscardatRandom]

That oppo agent gotta be a clip

[@kingfuzzy2]

Tutors don't sound like a good idea when you need to jam all the alt wincons as possible.

[@JoshRudis]

On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" it's All or Nothing! Will Richard become a plane-wide tycoon or will Crim become lord of the undead? Tune-in to find out!

[@Crispy-McFister]

Should be called "We Play Only Aura Shards."

[@kingfuzzy2]

Ah magic as intended alt wincons and draw the game effects 😋

[@brukisdabest5784]

How are they playing edh on there computer?

[@wedged2hare437]

I cant believe tomer casted a random card instead of keeping mana open for teferis protection

[@RyanEglitis]

Didn't know it was secret commander: Aura Shards week

[@whaleofdarkness]

I think Seth should have chosen Vorel of the Hull Clad as his commander. IMHO it's the best commander to get Darksteel Reactor to work.

[@richmondlau5945]

crims alt win condition: win with green. green says: win the game

[@julianalvarez4231]

Oh my god another time out death. This might be a record setting season

[@Chubbies34]

No one gonna point out how creepy tomers camera looks at 55:42

[@thevoiceofchance]

I swear, Crim is me when playing magic

[@moshjoshpitchief4418]

i'm really surprised no one played mechanized production and revel in riches.

[@JLPAG1]

Tomer had Revel in his hand lmao

[@everettstatz1682]

Youuu get an Aura Shards, and youu get an Aura Shards, and youuuu get an Aura Shards