We Put An 180mm Enduro Fork On An XC Bike! | Why NOT To Over Fork Your Bike

[@gmbntech]

Have you fitted or travel adjusted your fork? - Please be sensible and follow guidelines from the frame manufacture as safety is really important (especially around the headtube area!)

[@TheUnknownDutchman]

GMBN Tech friend of me swapped out forks. First ride he broke the fork in two. Luckily without injuries.... Don’t work on things like this if you have no clue.

[@kyleslater5245]

Yes. 180 to 200 on an old dh. 140 to 160 trance 2 with a 140 to 152 adjustment to the back. I plan to do something stupid like a 160 on a 120mm bike in the near future. Starting with 66 degree head angle.

[@davidmayer7732]

@@kyleslater5245 I have a 160 on a 120 too

[@evanritchie5211]

I changed my fork from 120mm to 140mm. It felt great but the next day i discovered massive cracks in the headtube, If I rode it again I would have snapped the headtube off.

[@gtasomogyi]

UMF Dirt Kick (16,5") and a Rock Shox Domain 302 180mm fork. I ride it so a year ago and still no sign of weakness. Of course, except on uphills, not so fun, as downwards. :)

[@tobyhowat8194]

As Sam pilgrim would say "it's the dream"

[@Lfomod1Dubstep]

"welllll goood!"

[@jamescarter26]

to the sky

[@GNSazaklis]

Thats mega

[@crxh22honda37]

And here we go

[@ccook1981]

@sampilgrim

[@WeirdSeagul]

didnt really convince me that it is a bad idea. sounds pretty fun

[@zacharybrown5367]

180 on a 100 frame is undoubtedly a bad idea, but something like a 140mm works really well on most 100m xc frames and makes for a super fun ride.

[@PSNragglefraggle1]

I look forward to seeing your Steerer tube shear on next weeks Friday Fails.

[@eamonlee159]

RaggleFraggle! Haha

[@eamonlee159]

Same

[@emmetfoster7430]

Look in the description

[@Mububban23]

100mm vs 180mm Before & After Numbers: Head Tube Angle - 70 to 64 degrees Bottom Bracket Height - 305mm to 327mm Wheelbase - 1119mm to 1200mm Bar Height - 1042mm to 1100mm Seat Tube Angle - 73 to 68 degrees

[@rcdaily8754]

Sounds like advantages to me

[@Wireman134]

@@rcdaily8754 Not for climbing.

[@t.j.goldwater]

@@Wireman134climbing is gay anyway

[@dubplateriddim]

Rule of thumb overforking 20-40mm depending on the base platform and additional mods, is fine. But obviously jumping 80mm is testing an edge case.

[@kevinaustin3012]

What about 100-150?

[@uonadtehrrocks]

LMAO that actually doesn't even look that weird... however I think they should have started with a 120-140mm travel bike.

[@HanSolo__]

If you sit on this bike your fork travel will switch to less than 160mm and your head tube angle will fly out of the window. 120-140mm works only with full susp. bikes.

[@shoeonhead]

MrKansai1 teghe false, there’s plenty of 140-160 hardtails out there. The Honzo ESD and the Ragley MMMBOP and the commensal meta HT AM come to mind.

[@Basement_CNC]

@@shoeonhead I disaree this is exactly the Bike many many people have and then Ask If a 180mm fork fits

[@HanSolo__]

​@@shoeonhead I never said there is no 140-160mm HT on the market. Still, if you have a 67' head tube, and solid, mountains-ready amount of SAG you will lose 4cm=2' out of your slack bike right when sitting on it. That makes your bike an XC with no slack at all 69' angle. Not to mention the case when you will hit anything with your front wheel. The same SAG in full-susp. bike will give you your regular head tube angle because rear susp. will compensate.

[@Asthbendriel]

There's no point on using 120mm fork, that works pretty well most of the time. 130-150 would've been a better choice, you're adding to up 50% more travel, that's a lot anyway.

[@johnnydoe66]

GMBN needs to have another Presenters challenge; $1000 bike (new) and $500 to upgrade as much as they can. Not only entertaining, but this is probably what alot of new Mtn bikers would do anyhow. Buy a bike, ride it for a while, and then look to upgrade parts later

[@heavyfuzz9675]

I know a guy who got a Boxxer on a short travel Specialized trail bike that used the bike for XC rides.

[@jasonw7053]

I have a similar bike and I replaced the 100mm suntour fork with a 120mm rockshox recon and it made a massive difference with no negatives from what I can tell.

[@Jimskateuk]

10:15 So you hit your pedal because your BB was higher? What?

[@honkytonkinson9787]

Because he bottomed out

[@Jimskateuk]

@@honkytonkinson9787 he was nowhere near bottomed out when hit the pedal. Even if he was, how would his bb be any lower than it would if he bottomed out a 100mm fork?

[@honkytonkinson9787]

Jimskateuk I guess that makes him a liar and me an idiot

[@Jimskateuk]

@@honkytonkinson9787 just looked like a general mistake, pedaling when he shouldnt be, didnt appear to have anything to do with the fork lol

[@ChannelZeroOne]

XC guys lol.

[@twinnedsuns]

I’ve changed my stock 120mm fork to a 140mm, and it’s the sweet spot where it’s made the bike more capable downhill, without sacrificing too much in other areas.

[@VantagePoint2]

twinnedsuns Treks website says I can’t put anything more than a 120mm on my Roscoe. Is this BS? Would a 130 or 140 hurt it?

[@ostankovalex1176]

@@VantagePoint2 it can hurt your frame generally, some frames are not designed to take that much tense on the head of frame it can simply crack in time; however + - 20mm is usually pretty ok from the stock fork made for your bike

[@TheKoosterify]

Me too! I upgraded my fork to 140mm from 120mm stock. Made it livelier on downhills. I hesitated on choosing 150mm because it changes the HA to 65 degree.... way too much degree in difference from stock imo

[@MaplePanda04]

Ksea Spotting You’d likely void your warranty.

[@mihkus]

@@ostankovalex1176 Complete bullshit unless its a double bracelet dh fork theres no way to have "more stress" on the frame bc the tiny tube thats the fork is supported by is the first thing to snap. And more angle is more fun.

[@Murray_23]

100mm travel fork on a full enduro bike video next please @gmbn 🤣🤟

[@MrKmpm]

I have a 2009 Rocky Mountain Vertex10 and put a 150mm Fork on it last year with beefy Tires and its great fun to ride even in bikeparks and kind of jumpy, i love it and was great to "revive" the old frame. Put XT and XTR 2 piston Brakes on and works good even with 160mm rotor in the back.

[@cucubits]

I love overforking. A long time ago the most fun bike I had was a random hardtail on which I put a 200mm Junior-T. I rode street with that. As crazy as it sounds, I pulled my biggest bunny-hops ever with that setup.

[@zepp3lin]

I beef up my headset to put a 120mm fork on my On One Scandal 100mm geometry. So far it's been 10 years and the bike still holds.

[@BerserkerNick]

I put a 160mm rock shox 35 gold rl on my trek roscoe and absolutely love it

[@breppe443]

Did you notice any affect on the climbing or handling? I have a Roscoe too and thinking on doing the same

[@DavidMaruca_]

This looks like wicked fun honestly. I might do 160 than 180, but still. My fork is 120 stock.

[@BerserkerNick]

I'm currently switching from my bikes stock 120 to a 160, should make it alot more fun

[@DavidMaruca_]

Berserker Nick let me know how it feels? I’m waiting till this fork dies before I replace it I think. It’s a Rockshox Reba.

[@xx-----------xx873]

@@DavidMaruca_ They don't die. Also, it makes the BB higher, messing up handling. On a straight line trail, it should be brilliant. Otherwise, it's going to be a mess.

[@ryanp3907]

Don’t go more than 20mm over stock length. Axle to crown is the real thing to check though.

[@bagelmaster0531]

It's all good putting a 180mm travel fork on a bike designed for a 100mm travel fork and it was an enjoyable video to watch but the problem with doing such a conversion is that nobody is realistically going to go to that extreme, it would be nice to have a bit of a follow up video where you put a bigger fork on a bike but within what people may actually consider doing (eg: fitting a 150mm fork on a bike designed around a 120mm or 130mm)

[@t.j.goldwater]

If 180 is works, then we should be safe with 150. Is what I was thinking

[@craigmanson6141]

Can't complain about seat tube angle if you haven't bothered to slide the saddle all the way forward to compensate! Or even tipped it back to level by the looks...

[@rupedog]

Would massively shorten the reach doing that!🙄

[@logankurtz1933]

Rupert Wenn reach is the distance from bottom bracket to stem and has nothing to do with seat position 🙄

[@bradleyburns255]

Exactly mate. Look how slanted back the seat tube angle is of many full-sus bikes.

[@CalebKussmaul]

@@rupedog So the move is to over-fork an xc-bike thats a few sizes too big then, no?

[@MaplePanda04]

Bradley Burns The STA steepens as the suspension sags.

[@RyanAlexanderBloom]

I used to ride an early 90s Mt Shasta hardtail. At one point it had a Rockshox Judy XC which probably had something like 50-80mm elastomer dampened travel. I don’t remember. It had the rubber boots on the stanchions and I recall that in the end the elastomer poured out of the lowers as a powder. Upgraded to a K2 fork in the early 2000s with 90-100mm travel or so. Probably at least 20mm or more extra travel. The difference was massive. So much more rideable. The Judy was just pathetic. Better than a rigid, but barely. Later I put on a Rockshox Dart which was 100mm and it had a couple extra spacers worth of steerer too. That fork was even more comfortable than the K2 and I could still climb just fine. But now my jaw wasn’t rattling out of my head because shocks were much better 20 years on, imagine that. Since I don’t know exactly how much travel I had originally it’s hard to say what the mm change really was. Could have been 80-100 or 63-100 or even 50-100... that original shock died 15+ years ago so it’s hard to recall. But in any case slackening the bike out and raising the front end with a change of between 20 and 50mm almost brought the bike reasonably into the 21st century. Almost. I can’t think of a downside. Of course, that bike started about as steep and short as any bike ever built so I think there was quite a bit more room for slackening than a modern xc bike. The best part honestly was every upgrade made OTB less likely. And if you’ve ridden a 90s XC bike you know that it’s almost like riding a roadie with drop bars.

[@slayerofmidgets3201]

I have a 24" hardtail I just put a 27.5 front with some fox 38's and it is actually amazing

[@valentinvas6454]

I'm suprised how rideable it remained with a nearly twice as long fork. I am planning to switch my crappy 100mm XCM fork to a 130 or 140mm one and I was afraid it could be too much but it looks like going from 100 to 130 on an XL sized frame can't hurt.

[@spidar2810]

This is the video I was waiting for when I was starting mountain biking 😘😂🤙. Thanks GMBN Tech 🤙🤙🤙

[@patrick1978maas]

GMBN: This is a No-Go Sam Pilgrim: Hold my Mon-ey

[@jakobbasham5907]

I have done something similar to my old hard tail, bought back in 2010 and just recently went crazy and put a not so massive 130mm 29” fork and 29” tire on the front. Stock was 100mm 26” tire. Moved my head tube angle from 70 to 64 . The thing makes me giggle with joy especially how lofty the front is, climbing is a little wonky but I love everything else. Not much climbing on my local trails.

[@norissalajan]

@@jakobbasham5907 3 years later, any frame damage? do you still have that bike?

[@jakobbasham5907]

⁠​⁠@@norissalajanstill have it, no issues but I will mention that my head tube has a beefy gusset so probably won’t have any issues. Still my only MTN bike too.

[@scottt1412]

Surprised not many comments about adding an angleset or works headset. You could slacken it more to reduce the rise of longer fork and keep the bb height and seat geometry in check

[@ktm125pete]

I have a 170 yari fork on my 120/130 Marin b17. Was put on it before I bought it off a mate, rides sweet on most trails but doesn't quite have the rear suspension for roots and rocks. Apart from that it rips at bikeparks

[@jeffreydzialo]

This review should continue on, please make adjustments, to mimic original geo... Lower stack height, lengthen stem ( no rise, or negative), possible angle set to offset longer fork, and if all else fails try a reverse mullet.

[@jovan.vuckovic]

Better title would be: WE PUT 180MM FORK ON XC HARDTAIL SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO

[@brandonderock9056]

bro I want too

[@rafaelgodoy3703]

Bro, now i have to

[@izatt82]

Got it so need to go greater than a 180mm.

[@mitchfaulkner6478]

do a DH fork!!!

[@rumplestiltskin1350]

Have a look at pilgrims channel for that kinda steeze fella. Boxxers on a drop handle an he sends it!!

[@smashyrashy]

This is basically dh only 20 more mm needed

[@tripmogames]

@@smashyrashy a 180 single crown isn't even close how a double crown feels....

[@emmetfoster7430]

my 2nd hand giant xtc cross country bike came with a dual crown downhill fork on it lol

[@lexusstefan927]

@@tripmogames absolutely agree, now that ive got a bike with Fox 40s my enduro with 180mm 36s feels flimsy and looks anorexic. difference is as clear as night and day

[@curtisf.r6233]

Cool video Rich, Cheers👊😎 Im thinking of upgrading my forks on my HT from 100mm to 120-140mm. This vid helped

[@gmbntech]

Good to hear Curtis! 🤘

[@sarahfelder1373]

Are u using a XC or a Hardtail

[@SmilefitCoUk]

Thank you 🙏 @GMBN Tech for you video, it was entertaining. I especially liked the whoops with the 180. It was extreme to go for a 180 Lyric when as you say in the film a 140 would add so much without being ridiculous.

[@Go_ride_your_bike]

I have been doing that for years with dirt jump. I'm running at the moment with 180mm up front and 140mm rear and it's really good fun

[@diamondbracelette]

To echo several other comments, a 20 to 40mm upgrade to an XC frame like this is fine. In fact it will do wonders to its ride characteristics if you’re not addicted to its XC efficiencies and just want something more versatile and certainly faster descending. Lowering a 72-68 degree HA by a few degrees is a game changer. I did this to a 2006 XC 29er as a Hail Mary attempt to modernize it and it was a whole new bike afterwards. I added 40mm of travel. Went from 80 to 120mm. Calculate an increased BB height and slight decrease in “Reach” as well . To further modernize this bike, I reduced the stem by a couple cm but widened the bars. (Picture what came stock in 2006 on an XC bike.) Factoring in reach, increased HA and BB height, wheelbase , stem and bar length, gives you some variables to calculate with increased fork travel. But it’s not as daunting as it sounds. Just do it. I really see no downside if you want a more all around capable hard tail at least. I can swap between this new build and a 2018 Ragley Marley-a pretty modern geo spec and moderately “hardcore hard tail”-and it holds its own, no longer riding like a 15 year old dinosaur. As far as frame manufacturer guidelines for the head tube, my research at the time left me largely unconcerned and it’s also not my main rig, nor does it plummet into rock gardens at 25 miles an hour or clear 20 foot gaps, so zero concern there for me.

[@Idisagreethisisnotanon]

Someone needs to a 250mm rear shock on a bike with no fork

[@gmbntech]

GMBN did a video a bit like this (not 250mm though) 👉 gmbn.eu/hardnose

[@Cakeborb]

I've got a Chromag Stylus with a 160mm dual air Lyrik on it. The geometry change when flipping between 160mm and 130mm of travel is the only real difference I notice, since it's genuinely hard to bottom out the fork on a hardtail if you land correctly even with extra sag and in the 130mm position. Still neat though, and the geometry change really does help uphills.

[@cornishcactus]

Talon 3 went from 100 thing they called a fork to a 120 Manitou Marvel. Transformed it into a pretty fun ride on green and blue trails; not least because of the weight saving. Whyte T130 has just had a 2021 140 upgrade, not yet ridden but I'm hoping it'll be nice.

[@ravennexusmh]

lose the spacers under the stem and flip it for negative rise and you'll lose nearly all the negatives of the bar height increase.

[@kaltonian]

Yea

[@stanp2281]

Apart from a slack seat tube, loss of rear traction and less headtube strength on a bike tested to that size fork. So actually all you gain from flipping the stem and removing the spacers is a lower, more hunched over stance on the bike.

[@MrStruggle0]

@@stanp2281 Sounds like someones jealous of all that 180mm lol

[@stanp2281]

Seb T no I just know how geo is more important than travel. I don’t think I’d be jealous of 180 on a budget xc hard tail when I have a 150mm trail bike.

[@onlyonecannoli3952]

But that would take away the negative bias and lack of perspective that they were after...silly Mike.

[@stonksrgud7645]

*laughs in fox 40 on hardtail*

[@sarahfelder1373]

: 0

[@filmic1]

Enjoying this channel. I picked up privately, my first off road Marin with, I guess, a stock Spinner Grind fork (100mm.) and I'm humming and hawwing about changing the fork. Though not sure it's worth it, though my LBS thought it was worth giving it a good tune-up. All this is great skinny. Thank-you!

[@geraldmaybebaby1585]

Manufacturers take note. More travel adjustable forks please. (external adjust) A tuneable fork for multiple trail and frame types. Helps tune out inherent climb limitations of long travel fork and a frame transferable fork. (upgrade friendly) My rockshox revelation u turn on marin quad Tara (4,5,6inch rear) is a multi tool on wheels. Tight firm xc and plush DH. An old but versatile dog. I would choose a travel adjust fork over a fixed travel. Even if the adjustment is made once after installation...

[@RyanAlexanderBloom]

I put a 150 air on a FS bike that came with a 130 coil. The fork is lighter, longer, and more responsive. Win, win, win. It doesn’t seem to have affected the geometry in a negative way. I can still climb and I have plenty of brakes. Maybe going even bigger would cause problems but 20mm seems fine a couple years later. Can’t see any negative and it works together with the 130 rear travel just fine.

[@filippiasec]

wtf you wont put the numbers all toghther so we can compare them?

[@crisprapper]

Bad editing!

[@DougTheSnowMan]

GCN and GMBN have gone downhill so fast. First video I've watched in months, and its trash. Chris Opie makes some great content now that he's free from GCN, road and MTN.

[@rupedog]

Not much to remember!!

[@DougTheSnowMan]

@@rupedog How hard would it have been to put both numbers on the screen and the difference? maybe a minute? Pure laziness because this video wasn't a sponsor spot.

[@gmbntech]

@@DougTheSnowMan Sorry to hear that! We didn't feel this video needed stats up at the end as it's not as technical as some of our other content. We will bear this in mind for next time though.

[@hypermaniksk534]

Just yesterday i commented on askgmbn video about this, thx for answer

[@holzwurm_hd7029]

Im planning on installing RockShox Pike Ultimate RC2 on my Bulls Grinder One grveel bike. Ill be facing the same diffivulties Although, ill lower the drop bars by the ammount, i lifted the front to hopefully be able to ride it somewhat like before. The new forks will be a whole 15cm longer than the old ones.

[@djsonfire0001]

Awesome thanks for making this video! Learned alot! My gravity bike is almost identical to this canyon. I've kept the hardtail frame but have upgraded about everything else on it. Its been fun adding parts to upgrade it in ways that best suits my style. Im not just a downhiller. This video helped me on a decision on a bigger fork thanks guys!

[@TheKoosterify]

No one: My friends back in 2010: this video Yeah we broke as hell but were having fun. Nothing beats our POS bike and putting a 160mm fork on our bikes. We were pushing on uphill anyways

[@toddfathermtb]

I went from 100mm to 120mm on my 2020 Rockhopper. It rides amazing, the fork is adjustable to 140mm, thinking about trying it for the hell of it. I don't do much climbing at all... Thoughts?

[@bagelmaster0531]

If it doesn't cost too much do do then sure!

[@Sawblade02]

I just went ham on my lonely old Niner One 9 RDO putting in a 150mm Pike fork, 150mm dropper, wider wheels, and Nobby Nic tires last month. It took a weight and rolling resistance hit as far as racing goes, but the fun factor went through the roof just being able to send it everywhere. Now my enduro bike is the one that stays at home more often.

[@theodoreroberts8524]

This has definitely made me consider a 120-130 on my 100mm trek x-caliber now. I enjoy XC but can't say no to the steeper techy stuff and often end up feeling underbiked, this could be the answer.

[@XtopherMartin]

This is why I'm watching! I've got a 2011 X-Cal and I'm curious what would happen. My only issue is the G2 geo and how to compensate.

[@harleygreen255]

I think that it would of been a more realistic test to put a 140/150mm fork on it since 180 is a bit too extreme and people are unlikely to put that on there bike. Interesting test tho making a monster bike!

[@gtasomogyi]

I got a hardtail with 180mm on the front, and happy with it. :)

[@gtasomogyi]

@Stable Genius {Jihad} my comment says 180mm, but you read and write 810mm, now what?

[@roha2317]

Or even a 120/130 would be more realistic

[@tubularmonkeymaniac]

Not to mention make some adjustments to stem, seat position etc. Didn't run bigger tyres for the changed style either. This setup was doomed to fail from the start. Really annoying to watch.

[@tomrobinson7879]

Just ordered a 140mm fork for a 100mm Trek Marlin. I may die but it'll be fun.

[@Silverripples]

Years I had a Ghost Dual Slalom bike on which i fitted a 200 mm RockShox Boxxer. It indeed was not such a climber, but wasn't anyway as a Dual Slalom bike but it was a great bike to ride. After that i had a Ghost full suspension (140 mm rear) and also slapped the Boxxer up front. this bike felt really great, it is important to have sufficient suspension up front for riding safety, especially through CHALLENGING terrain. i would recommend over forking.

[@gcygnet8817]

Nice to see a more affordable bike being used!

[@jisunn]

I put a 150mm travel and a 27.5 fork on a Giant XTC 26er bike. My front wheel is 27.5 and my rear is 26. I know this is crazy but for me it's fun. I loved it

[@peaohvee1784]

Fam. I put a boxxer on a 90s 80mm XC bike. Buddy rode in whistler for almost 2 years and he loved it

[@wolfrikvonschwarzblut3921]

I can only recall two hardtail frames that were actually designed with a 180 mm fork in mind: the Nicolai 2MXTB and the Evil Imperial, both monsters from the 26" wheel era.

[@thomasmager9180]

Yeah amazing idea, im riding 29er HT with 160 travel, its pretty amazing.

[@pal9650]

Did a similiar project last year with same brand and model. Except i used a 150 mm yari and 27,5"+ wheels and shorter zee crankarms (165mm) 50mm stem, wider handlebar 780 mm and dropper post. Love the feel of the bike now and use it for big variety of trails :-)

[@JustinH72]

Some bikes also come longer as you go up range spec wise. My growler is this way, 120 on the base, 140 on the top model. I think as with all things, moderation is key

[@potitomaulucci6951]

I use a XC frame with 150mm rockshox 35dia travel forks, Maxxis Assegai 29x2.5 on front, dhr ii 27.5x2.4 on rear and 100 mm drop seat: it is quite cheap and works fine on descending and it works fine climbing. You can do everything: it depends from biker skills.

[@jimlux00]

I've got a 160mm Lyrik on my 290 scout, wouldn't have it any other way, rides so good!

[@prixat]

So what you need to add is hinged chain stays and adjustable seat stay extenders, which you drop for downhill.

[@jerryx2000]

I ride a pivot mach 4 (2008 frame) with a 150mm fox 32.

[@henrycowell193]

The back wheel may have had a little more traction if you put a more grippy tire on

[@kaneonwheels2921]

Looks about like my Cannondale Catalyst. It went from 75mm of travel and 27mm stanchions SR Suntour to a DNM Suspension 120mm of travel and 32mm stanchions!!

[@forgenath6321]

Adjusted my rockshox recon from 130mm to 140mm with a custom spacer on my calibre bossnut. Helps with the extra 10mm to avoid bottoming and gives slightly blusher feel before rebound. 150mm feels weird though so I think 140mm is definitely my max for it

[@Kingsoupturbo]

For liability reasons we have to say, DONT DO THIS, but for awesome reasons, DO THIS, longer wheelbase, slacked it out, more travel = rad!

[@Shultzchet]

I put a 200mm dvo Emerald on my giant reign that came with a 160 pike, and for my riding it is literally a dream. It is slacker than it used to be, but it is steeper and shorter than the session the forks were on before i broke it. Along with having the wide range gearing it may not climb like and xc hardtail but it will go up anything I feel like putting the effort into pedaling, I dont like pedaling so if it comes down to it I would just hike. I did have to buy a new wheelset for the bike so the hubs were the right size and the stock set dented easily so I got a set of spank vibrocore wheels, between the dvo suspension and the vibrocore wheels that thing absorbs everything compared to with stock front and rear suspension and wheels, i got new brakes too because it came with 2 piston and I needed more stopping power.

[@blairrighton6270]

I attached a W/B 29r xc fork to a 26r team dragon hardtail frame several years ago and found the marriage amazing. Unfortunately I think it led to breaking the frame where the top of the downtube and headtube cracked and separated. Have a look at my strava account to view the before and after results!

[@Junnys_Bicycle_Hoard]

I tried a similar setup. I slammed and lengthen the stem slightly. Then I adjusted the seat angle a bit. It made a noticeable difference.

[@tubularmonkeymaniac]

If the front end came up, why not slam the stem? better yet run a shorter negative angle stem? I've done this with an old hardtail and have beaten times acheived on my dually. It's a blast.

[@jakejake909]

Would been cool to see timed laps, but exactly what I was looking for when I typed in long travel suspension xc mtb. 👍

[@holdenhrt427]

After seeing Sam pilgrim putting a downhill fork on a road bike and shredding it harder than most riders on a MTB. Which means nothing is impossible if you have the skill and balls

[@TheZweric]

uhh I was wondering if added leverage may cause failure at the headtube on lighter bikes

[@bjorn-e.t.6198]

Well i just put a Domain 180 29" onto my xl sized Canyon stoic up from the stock reccon Silver 140mm 29".... having arround 150km on it now and its awesome but an xl stoic is a pretty big bikr so its fit even optics wise quite nice

[@davidburgess9826]

I run a chromag stylus mullet (27.5 front 26 rear) with a 180 mm fork on it and it's a real gem. Throw two tokens in for flow and jump trails. Run one token for real choppy bits. Handles downhill trails like a monster. But its definitely a fire road climber.

[@lpt9078]

Wait. Isn't that Neil's fork ?😂

[@twinnedsuns]

Everybody steals Neil’s fork 😂

[@harryaston2273]

No I think it is one of rich’s Pole stamina!

[@gmbntech]

@@twinnedsuns 🤫 They actually do! Didn't Blake took one for when he rode the Mega 🤣

[@ghazypangerang6118]

@@gmbntech how many people in the GMBN HQ use a Lyrik?

[@johnvilla2290]

Lmao I was just thinking about what would happen if I put a 120 mm in my Xc bike😂😂😂how accurate

[@antigravity19]

Why can't my 1 hour trail rides just be a 1 minute montage... would be so much easier for my schedule :P

[@adamchap5127]

maybe try putting a shortem stem like 90mm to a 60mm or 50mm and a wider bar maybe that can unlock the full potential of the bike

[@ericthedesigner]

Considering I've done way harder trails on a bike from 1999 with clincher brakes, I'm sure your budget disc brakes are more than fine!

[@1911Zoey]

Believe me you become an even more of a beast when you got great brakes. You gain a lot of confidence and more shredibility. 👍

[@s14tat]

Looks pretty rad too me. I think you actually achieved the opposite and more people might actually be over forking 80mm now lol.

[@domschinik]

Thanks! More please!

[@IslayAnderson]

Done this a good few times, the seat stay angle causes tonnes of shoulder pain

[@HeathenRides]

You should change to a smaller backwheel to get the bottom bracket down and make it even slacker,, maybe a 26 or 24 with Plus size Tyre(mullet )so you get damping from the Tyre in the back and a high rise wide bar big pedals

[@michaelsawatzky6052]

Check out the Chromag Doctahawk 62.5 HTA hard tail 180mm travel

[@t_c5266]

I'm trying to wrap my head around how his bottom bracket being higher off the ground translated into him getting a pedal strike. when you watch it over, he leans the bike way over and clips the slope on the side of the trail. All i can think of is if he had that 100mm on it wouldn't be a "pedal strike" it would be a "pedal dead stop"

[@divaythfyr4251]

I think I'm close to unsubscribe from both of their channels. Their latest videos are even worse. Content for children.

[@NoHero303]

The hope bottom cup to fit a tapered fork made me laugh

[@RoachDogggJR]

that one norco hardtail with marzocchi dual crowns straight from 2004 that pops up on maketplace on occasion

[@tehllama42]

So, mullet the wheels - drop a 27.5" rear tire, and you've solved around half the geometry issues, achieves mullet status, and it's probably actually a better bike.

[@user_2645]

Ive got a gt avalanche with a 150mm marzocchi bomber z1 fork and I had to buy a new rim for front but it had to be a 26 instead of 27.5 and on the rear I've still got the 27.5. Doesn't feel to bad but I'm gonna get a better frame when I can afford it lmao

[@amermeleitor]

Plus / minus 20mm i think Is ok from a safety standpoint. It depends about your frame, i wish never overfork a XC light frame over 20mm. But a robust enduro frame could be overforked more. Is common sense i think.

[@John-wo8um]

Would have been nice to have the before /after numbers next to each other since most of us don't have photographic memory, but thanks for the info.

[@steveyknoxville]

Couldn't agree more, thought to myself... Now that's dumb editing, why couldn't they be beside each other.

[@HanSolo__]

Good idea. Any hard-core HT with plush fork should use more than 160mm. So the head tube angle will not appear as 71' when you sit on your bike.

[@hristo.bogdanov]

I will be honest here... I was considering going exactly that way for my NSBikes DJambo 2016 :) 29 front and 27.5 back

[@MikkoRantalainen]

Can't you fix the seat tube angle simply by installing the saddle "incorrectly"? The saddle often can be moved at least +/- 5 mm back and forward. Your bottom is not going to know if the post is slightly further back from where you sit as long as the saddle is in correct position.

[@EvtheNev]

I just ordered a 2021 Grand Canyon, might have to order some big ass forks now

[@X41N3]

I might want to convert my oldschool xc bike to a mullet. 27.5" in front, 26 on the back. Might be easier to bomb onto stairs (from below)

[@AMan-xg4kw]

6:33 that noise made my day.

[@michaelkazi2754]

what i learn from this test is, build ur bike so it fits ur skill and enviroment u are riding in the most..really an old solution..buy what u need and not what is considered 'cool' ^^

[@MTBEAST007]

Fox 40s on my mullet trek rail 5 are a dream.