We're All Wrong About Laufey

Everybody's thinking about this whole "Laufey jazz" situation in the wrong way. Let's change that conversation...
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#RealTalk

[@JasonBlair]

Honestly I don't think of all this in terms of a genre needing saving. She's just making cool music, and it happens to be made up of elements of what we call jazz and pop. Whatever she or anyone else is doing, if it sounds cool, I'm here for it.

[@PatrickBartleyMusic]

☝🏾

[@cooldebt]

💯 My kidults and have rarely listened to Western pop for years, preferring jazz, vgm and J-pop but the youngest made a Spotify list of 50s crooners during high school to sing along to while doing homework - instinctively wanting melody and harmony - the music of his grandparents! Laufey was recently recommended to me by my other son. It seems to me that even younger ears might start to want something which is not auto -tuned and/or mumble rap (give me 90s rap any day) overproduced tiktok bgm sounding, unmusical 'pop' (not all of it is bad, there are some gems but by comparison we used to have Steely Dan on the radio) We don't have to pigeon-hole the music, it just has to be musical.

[@WhizPill]

Yup

[@AstroSully]

It’s really that simple 😂 No need for people to fight over what genre is being played or what genre is thriving and need’s saving.

[@andywellsglobaldomination]

I would agree that it's not the musicians but the idiots in media who like lazy faux deep sayings that's creating all this.

[@valeriogaragnani5899]

Jazz is alive and we young jazz musicians in Pat’s, Adam neely’s and so many other communities on the internet rn are proof of that too!

[@Alexlinnk]

No it's not. Nobody listens to jazz. Just ask anyone you know, there is nobody that listens to it

[@Avstinato]

@@Alexlinnk just blatantly untrue

[@Alexlinnk]

@@Avstinato It's not popular, it's not a music that is apelling to the public as it once was. You might have some friends that listen to it. It's not representative to the public. You show the numbers jazz is low

[@PatrickBartleyMusic]

​@@AlexlinnkI don't normally respond to comments like this, but I think you should take a moment to be honest with your verbiage and not so hyperbolic. Jazz is literally more popular now than it was 30 years ago. It's more popular now than it was 40 years ago. The combination of education + social media has put the music back into young people's hands in ways we could not have imagined even when I was in school. Jazz is being utilized in commercial media, movies, even pop songs where they take "jazz-sounding" elements and include them. I improvised a solo on The Chainsmokers' "Don't Let Me Down" with Daya live on GMA in 2016. I cracked notes and everything. The door is open for this music to reach more people right now and it just needs to be handled carefully to make sure it has the longest lasting impact throughout the generations.

[@PatrickBartleyMusic]

​​@@AlexlinnkAlso just because something isn't trending doesn't mean it's dead. "Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not real." You need to consider how much experience you actually have with the jazz community as a whole vs what your idea of it is. If jazz is dead because it's not popular, how'd you get here? Why are you on my video? Why am I paying rent in another country from my jazz work alone and no day job? These are the real questions that will guide you to the truth! 🙌🏾

[@KivaGordon]

Honestly when I discovered Laufey when she put out her first album I was just really happy to hear how she blends genres and how much influence she took. And I agree with you, let's just make her music about the music and help reach even further.

[@nerdycatgamer]

Her music would do more for jazz if it were labeled as pop (while being influenced by the SOUND of jazz) than what she's doing right now, calling it jazz and saying 'jazz needs saving'. When she says 'jazz needs saving', its taking listeners AWAY from the real, current jazz, and making people think Laufey is the ONLY one making jazz (because its 'dying' and needs 'saving'), but if she markets herself as jazz influenced pop, people will like that sound and go and seek out ACTUAL JAZZ and BRING listeners to it. partick being incredibly smart and reasonable as always 🔥🔥🔥

[@PatrickBartleyMusic]

☝🏾☝🏾

[@supermansdaddy7019]

I'm not defending pop, but the main issue is people who don't normally seek jazz out would consider her jazz, while the people who are jazz purists would sneer at her and everyone who gets into jazz because of her. Look at how people get mad about even Kamasi, Snarky Puppy, DOMi and JD Beck, etc. Heck, I watch Smalls Live and there are cats in there who insist vocal jazz is for frauds, and you had people getting mad at Diana Krall. I'm not saying jazz shouldn't be gatekept, it's just that there's a bunch of people who'd get violently hostile to Laufey, even if she was jazzier.

[@timpickering3750]

@@supermansdaddy7019I’ll say jazz shouldn’t be gatekept

[@supermansdaddy7019]

@@timpickering3750 Poor choice of words on my part, especially since there are tons of jazz "purists" who hate anything vaguely new. I don't think it shouldn't be gatekept, either, but I do think it's important to analyze what makes jazz... jazz.

[@miggyburner8790]

When the flying fuck does she say any of that

[@thepangmonster]

We need to keep speaking up and letting Laufey know that she’s welcome to sit in with the cats.

[@samuelbrown9665]

I understand the pushback against her from the jazz community in terms of the culture and history of the music, but whatever we do we need to support her music. It sounds amazing, and whatever you call it, we ought be allowed to enjoy it.

[@AstroSully]

@@samuelbrown9665Preach brother preach. I love Jazz and her music touches the soul!

[@kage_6]

"save pop" is exactly the right take on this thing. love it!

[@polygawn]

ACTUAL FACTS AND TRUTH ‼️

[@JohnathandosSantos]

Best take on this whole mess

[@BrandonMcBarrettFace]

I've been praying that someone with a platform would say something like this. This is such a good take.

[@scott9052]

The video ended at 0:49 you are 100% right no further explanation needed

[@nullinf]

Flip the script brother,yessir

[@melissachow390]

Highly agree! The goal is to put whatever buzz words get out there is what will push profits sadly. Jazz truly doesn't need to be saved and I hate when people think it's "gatekeeping jazz" when you even say it like that. Jazz is a genre that really stands on its own and the way big studios want to make it all about revenue is irritating. If you like jazz, you like it! You'll find it! You'll know where to go! I don't understand why music needs to conform so much to trends and that's what ruins it. She is a talented artist and it's great to hear pop like that, but it's so embarrassing to make her the face of jazz right now.

[@gideoncheung8731]

Well said!

[@bronxkies]

This is the best, least pretentious jazz nerd take! Thank you, sir!

[@adamtaylor2142]

Nail on the head. Let’s get some horn solos back in pop while we’re at it.

[@nested_King]

Never would have thought about it that way-but you are absolutely right. Jazz is just fine, just like dozens of other musical forms around the world (Fado? Hi Life? Polka???). It is indeed pop that is in a sad state of affairs, and this young woman needs to claim pop and help raise its level!

[@jacksonheaven2132]

Such a refreshing take to hear this. Thank you.

[@AMTunLimited]

I think there are a lot of jazz inspired artists we could be propping up more in the pop space. Charlie Puth has the jazz chops for it, Jamie Cullum is really fun and has the pop chops. Something I've just realized is that whenever a black pop artist tries to move in a jazz direction they get put into r&b and sort of relegated away

[@TheBlueGoldenHawk]

But Charlie Puth almost never shows any jazz influence in his music as far as I can tell. It just seems like uber mainstream pop with terrible lyrics. He seems to have the skill for it, but doesn’t use it, even though he said he wanted to mix jazz with pop in his newest album. I highly recommend checking out artists who incorporate jazz influence in their pop music way more effectively, like Lee Jin Ah, Kan Sano, Tendre, Sheena Ringo

[@supermansdaddy7019]

I think Puth did that one Betty Boop and ragtime-inspired track, but he didn't do anything like it again.

[@cooldebt]

💯 My favourite Charlie Puth video was when he played an acoustic piano version of Girlfriend at home. The chords reminded me of On Broadway and even though he had some auto tune you could tell that he really can sing. He really should 'take the risk' to incorporate more jazz elements having already become popular. Look at cartoon music kids love which is far more complex than it needs to be - kids love it so why should pop not follow?

[@nolaffinmatter]

"Whenever a black pop artist tries to move in a jazz direction they get put into R&B". Well, R&B is literally a child of Jazz (with the other parents being Blues and Gospel), so this doesn't seem like an incorrect categorization? Not to mention that there's plenty of collaboration between R&B singers and jazz instrumentalists, and there always has been. If there's any issue here, it's that R&B is considered to be "relegated away" rather than being a major genre right alongside Rock.

[@Mr_O]

Real talk, I'm surprised a Laufey & Cody Fry collab hasn't happened yet

[@artisticbean4945]

Even though I absolutely adore Laufeys music, its not Jazz.Its Pop with many jazz influences and inspirations.

[@kaitlyn__L]

I love how you were saying you didn't want this to be clipped, that you didn't want all the attention from the discourse, then the next day I find you clipped it yourself :p

[@cnt2525]

Best videos on KZbin. Consistent real talk. Go save pop, jazz doesn’t need the saving.

[@chaussebenjamin]

This is the best take I’ve heard on the subject thus far. Thank you!!!

[@cjhall4406]

Plus big ups to Robert Glasper and Thunder Cat

[@supermansdaddy7019]

Kris Bowers, too.

[@maryannappiagyei4277]

kamasi washington

[@sylk8998]

so real. the video "is laufey really jazz?" is also amazing

[@zig019]

I agree 100%, but the major record labels won't admit for a second that pop music is dying. Until there comes major change in the way the labels market their music, we're gonna keep fighting this same battle

[@nilesloughlin6845]

@3:00 and so that Jazz can get in more people’s ears again! More demand, more gigs, if Jazz had a popular resurgence like that it would be payoff for all the good work people have still BEEN doing.

[@acertainredpanda1115]

Her music is very good in my opinion. That's all.

[@lukeserrano62]

Yes! It’s pop that needs saving. Silksonic brought back the 70s vibes, and maybe Laufey is bringing back 60s jazz inflected pop vibes. Though rediscovery new directions can be found for pop, which is in a pretty bad way.

[@kevinvcj1022]

Laufey is more 50s than 60s

[@lukeserrano62]

I listened to a couple more songs of hers. Actually think it’s more 40s!

[@kevinvcj1022]

@@lukeserrano62 30s through 50s yes

[@williamdevlin5233]

You've got a great point.

[@robinthebobin6537]

Hit the nail on the head here Pat. I would consider Laufey's music to be really really great pop music, with heavy jazz influences. And everything about her music is fucking incredible. She's a great artist who deserves to get love for what she's doing for music!! I don't see how people can be angry at her for just being a great musician. She's only doing good for jazz

[@mattyhealy2501]

its like how taylor swft in her earlier years was considered the saviour of western music yet when listen to it, it sounds pop with little western influences

[@jellewils3974]

Sweet and true, she's like a pop bossa crooning lady?! She's awesome

[@GoshdarnCat]

Best take I’ve seen on this topic! This needs to replace the current narrative!

[@ledheadsteve]

Oh for sure, devils advocate though, Norah Jones has one of the best selling albums of all time and Lady Gaga made a jazz album with Tony Bennett just a few years back. I think jazz infiltrates pop in bursts but not in a strong enough force to really stick.

[@ledheadsteve]

That's not even talking about things like Zoot Suit Riot, Electro Swing, lofi hip-hop which wears its jazz tropes and influences on its shoulders. And what about Kamasi Washington and Thindercats' popularity spike around Too Pimp a Butterfly's release?

[@birdlives829]

Mind blown with this take... great perspective.

[@jnm92]

This man is enlightened.

[@williamwoolcock]

Picture of Laufey and Samara Joy- nuff said. Would love to hear Samara singing Laufey,

[@therationalpiper7428]

Audiences have been starved for decades now... starved of chords, melodies, instruments played by actual people, and lyrics that express more tender feelings. We didn't realize that there was a potential audience for these things so we continued producing "love" songs like Ed Sheeran's "I'm in Love With Your Body", catchy yes, but uh... lacking in depth... raunchy Cardi B tunes, etc. The pendulum was due to swing back to a more sensitive, more beautiful concept of life/love. It's not just Laufey's melody/harmony/rhythm we should be paying attention to here. She has created a brand that is unique in 2023. It isn't unique in the history of music, but it stands out like a neon sign in a dark alley in today's cultural landscape.

[@joshuacervenkamusic327]

Dude, well said! 100% agree

[@John-uk3wz]

As usual you’re spot on Pat. She’s proven that millions of listeners’ ears are open to these sounds. Pigeon-holing her into the “jazz” category is a terrible mistake.

[@user-yw9mw9hv8o]

YES

[@BrunoGarciaMusic]

Jazz doesn't need to be saved but it's inevitable that it's changing.

[@cookiesthedonkey2223]

Lovin the increase in post W!

[@TrillBill]

"You wanna save something, save Pop." 😂 SO many quotables

[@slmjkdbtl]

laufey is actually saving punk

[@sifuseef]

Thank you for spitting such a well rounded perspective. You really fucking get it man.

[@DotLevine]

This is what I'm hoping. I hear her making pop with pretty harmony and melody and I think, "oh shit, can I actually make a living doing the thing I love?"

[@QsonataQ]

jazz is dead in my country tho, i felt more free singing jazz when laufey got popular. but i get u

[@scottduthie2912]

Yep, she gave me respect for pop music.

[@mustafa1name]

Surely Jon Batiste is the musician of our age? Classical, pop, jazz,soul,film, national anthem? Bringing it to the people. Yes, indeed

[@stanvans3214]

jazz has been pop, and pop has been jazz in alternating forms and fashions for the last 80+ years. if I ever put out a jazz record, i'll be sure to label it as "straight ahead pop."

[@jacksonprovanguitar]

YES. THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE.

[@geosekiro324]

Jazz is like a statue, pop is like a rock. They’re both made up of the same thing, one just needs a chisel. Best way I think I could have interpreted it

[@jetsky8781]

this could be the after youve gone shirt

[@salehhayati1080]

Actually this is the best take on this conversation

[@cherryicee4456]

genius take honestly, well done

[@khetchup]

I agree completely, amazing take

[@gabrielemarogna9444]

Very nice argument. I think what you are saying is "save jazz" though. Saying it like "saving" is stupid, but saying it like "popularizing" it (aka making it pop) is accurate. What the pompous reporters are trying to say is that this is the new jazz, or more accurately a new type of jazz, and that's cool, genres evolve constantly, this had been brewing for a while. It is true though, that jazz clearly has more credence than pop, I think this is the best retort I've heard so far to that stupid "save the jazz" statement

[@itsmetonylei2540]

Yes Yes Yes! This is the take I was looking for!

[@thewhiterabbit8581]

Pop music becoming better, usually means every other genre will follow, I think

[@Emmpeace]

Norah Jones is a beautiful example, i would like to see both of them together

[@onesyphorus]

yeah i immediately thought of her

[@margretoddny]

And now Norah Jones and Laufey have cooperated with one Christmas song cover and one original Christmas song. Wonderful stuff.

[@Emmpeace]

yes indeed!@@margretoddny

[@danielwilliams693]

for me laufey is pop with jazz chords, don't get me wrong, i like her music, a lot actually but it's not the same feeling like when you listen to samara or any other jazz singer, the feeling with laufey is that of a pop artist

[@socalangler4082]

The best take I've ever heard about Laufey.

[@TimothyJohnsonMusic]

I like this take on it man!

[@jacuhb8445]

This is a really good take on the situation

[@DrJohn123]

Wynton Marsalis in Ethan Iverson's interview part 2: "I started saying at the beginning - I like the name of it ("jazz"). I like the music. I don’t have any problems with it. But it’s got to have a meaning. Everything can’t be _it_, if only because you can’t teach it to other people. That’s a very pragmatic way to look at it. If I take my kid out here and say, “Everything that you do is basketball,” I can’t teach him how to play. You apply that to any field. You’re going to have a problem teaching people, if it don’t have a meaning. It’s great for you if you can realize something that intensely broad. But you’re going to have trouble with your next generation. Because to learn everything is hard."

[@MJ1]

She's not jazz. She's not even close to jazz. It's nice music, but doesn't anybody know what jazz is? It's not even a close call. It's like saying ELO is classical music.

[@Jeanne_Bae]

Laufey has some jazz music. Mostly covers. But for me shes traditional pop/midcentury pop

[@Loveselfloveall]

She sounds more bossa nova or jazz than pop

[@mikedelferro]

Great video, bless you

[@victor29rc]

I love the way you think, Pat. And I agree with what you said in your stream: she needs to be held acountable for something. Not saying she's the problem, but I don't buy for a second this''gatekeeping'' bullshit, this naive "I simply love music from the good old days" (like Adam said: "and when was that?"). This is a marketing strategy, and she's benifiting from it. And by the way, I remember when you said "we should gatekeep jazz to keep some corny ass mf's out", and I think they do that in pop music too, to some extent. I wonder if this Laufey craze would happen if she was being marketed as simply "pop', considerating the regular occurance of arguments that try to establish who the GOAT is many of subgenres of pop nowadays. I mean, I'm asking honestly with all my heart here: would she make the cut? Cheers, a brazilian admirer

[@cjhall4406]

Thank you brother great thoughts

[@JacobSoucy]

need "Save Pop" on a t-shirt

[@jimphilidor9031]

Well put - we need to save pop.

[@AM-nj8ig]

Couldn’t agree more.

[@Cole_Bailey]

This is the best take I have seen on this. As a huge fan of Samara Joy's I have long felt that Laufey should not be viewed as some kind of jazz Messiah for the youth.

[@RAsVault]

100 percent on point

[@connormcateer7125]

I think she hit the weak spot of the American music culture. A weak spot that’s been building up over time as a result of terrible 4 chord pop songs, a music scene where music skill doesn’t even matter at the highest level but sales and body/attractiveness do matter, a jazz scene where jazz police exist, and the American music culture of genres having distinct “walls” around them. Now the first time where a popular in the middle of two genres artist appears it’s shaking everything. Look at Japanese “pop” music. It’s got all these 7th chords, jazz improv, it’s basically a sub genre of jazz. This isn’t just a Japanese thing but many Asian and many other parts of the world thing. Laufey is in a tough position and so is the American music industry and culture right now. And a lot will change based on how she goes forth from here.

[@theavocadoguitarist.1823]

Laufey doesn’t need to be the savior of JACK. BUT her intersectionality with both genres could elevate both simultaneously. If she goes to perform at jazz venues, with jazz musicians cutting their teeth in the jazz clubs, she could network them into playing her even larger, “pop” afforded gigs, that way, jazz musicians get more visibility and more credit, she adds new flavor to Pop, and people who see her as a pop artist vibe with her, and those who want to discover jazz can dig into the artists she’s playing with too! She could change the narrative by balancing these ideas well.

[@mannyfernandez1713]

Bring mid century pop back again, crooners, jazz influence, bossanova, synth (i know synth has been having a moment but still), blues influence, soul

[@nliebert41]

wow mic drop moment!

[@erikheddergott5514]

Pop is not a Style. So it is very hard to define why somebody is not Pop enough to be Pop besides of not being popular enough to be popular.

[@nuptvalorant1494]

pop does not mean popular?

[@erikheddergott5514]

@@nuptvalorant1494 I think Pop that is not Popular is failed Pop. But not everything that is Popular is Pop. Beethoven is a Case of very Popular Classical Music, but is it Pop Music? Is Bitches Brew by Miles Davis Pop? I do not think so. But is Time after Time by Miles Davis Pop? I do think so. Was Swing in the 30ties Pop? I think so. But was Swing played in the 60ties still Pop? I don‘t think so. Was the Neo-Swing Craze with Bands like Brian Setzer‘s Big Band Pop? I think so. Or with Rock? Is Neil Young Pop? No! Where Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young Pop? Yes! A Boy‘s Club Definition of Pop was for a long Time: If Girls do not like it it ain‘t Pop, I know it is a bit „incorrect“, but if like me you love Pop, it should be allowed.

[@nuptvalorant1494]

@@erikheddergott5514 no it's not pop music. Pop music does not mean popular. I listen to alot of l experimental pop music which isn't popular whatsoever but is still objectively pop music

[@erikheddergott5514]

@@nuptvalorant1494 I absolutely know that many People are on your Side, and believe me: as Chris Cutler of Henry Cow once said: Failure is a Part of Art, I have big Heart for failed Pop! I call it Wannabe Pop. And there is a lot of great Wannabe Pop out there.

[@erikheddergott5514]

@@nuptvalorant1494 I am sorry, I pushed the Print Arrow, before I finished my full response, but on the other Hand: To start a Discussion it was not such a bad Mistake.

[@DavidBaronStevens]

Nice point about how jazz doesn't need saving, but pop does I might disagree a bit that jazz needs to be infused with each generation's experiences and repertoire to stay alive and fresh just as a plant needs to be watered and cultivated to stay alive But I agree wholeheartedly that pop today is in a perfect position to be influenced by jazz, more than the other way around, and that the more we as jazz musicians, seek to connect with our audience, especially the younger generation, the more ears will listen and enjoy that #4 we played on that Simpsons lick over the Kanye West Song.

[@geetraldinha]

One day a pop artist gotta bring loud guitar on his pop song and media/people gotta stamp him as a rock saviour 😂

[@TrillBill]

😂

[@geetraldinha]

@@TrillBill OMG I love grandpa Bill Whiters

[@TrillBill]

@@geetraldinha 💯

[@MartinaDaSilva]

YES👏(Also Laufey fan here) Thx for keeping it real + clear, as always 🔥

[@sophonblock76]

Norah Jones personally collabbed with Laufey. Can't have any better recognition of Laufey being a Jazz contributor than that from the Jazz queen herself Norah Jones.

[@LeMelleKH2]

Norah Jones the “Jazz Queen?” I love Norah but naw lol

[@sophonblock76]

@@LeMelleKH2 Norah Jones is 9 time grammy winner for best jazz artist, tell that to Norah and the Grammies that she is not the Jazz Queen.

[@itscalledatilda]

Norah Jones also personally collabed with The Foo Fighters. Guess that puts Dave Grohl up there with the likes of Wes Montgomery and Django Reinhardt. Also, placing Norah Jones on the throne of "Jazz Queen" over Ella Fitzgerald is a criminal offense lmao.

[@sophonblock76]

​@@itscalledatilda Foo fighters however never claimed to be a jazz artist. Norah Jones knows very well that Laufey is called a jazz artists by the media, and if Norah Jones doesn't agree with that, she would have never collabed with Laufey. The fact that she collabed with Laufey means she agrees to label Laufey as a Jazz artist. Norah However Norah never claimed Foo Fighters were Jazz artists, but respect Foo fighters to be a grunge rock band. Nice try, but try again lol.

[@itscalledatilda]

@@sophonblock76 Do you really think Norah Jones what Laufey's marketing team claims her genre is? She makes great music that has jazz *influence*, so Norah Jones wanted to collaborate with her. That doesn't mean it's a stamp of approval that says "Laufey is a jazz musician". Most jazz listeners would agree that her music sounds much more similar to mid-century pop (like Judy Garland). They're similar, but very obviously not the same genre.

[@mykilahsenwilliamsdorsey1495]

What I think is meant by the statement ‘saving Jazz’ is bring jazz elements to a generation of listeners who are NOT musicians and are uneducated about the long history and world of jazz as a style of music.

[@kmack764]

Solid Gold take right here.

[@dibblethwaite]

I want to hear @PatrickBartleyMusic help to save pop by making an album of Laufey tunes.

[@FishyAshB]

Laufey doesn't really deserve to get into this discourse, journalists and interviewers need to get her out of the Jazz box cause POP NEEDS HER.

[@Pastas666]

Meanwhile Pop Artists have Mansions and Jazz artists are fighting with flight attendants to take their instrument with them on the plane Sure pop need her

[@FishyAshB]

@@Pastas666 I didn't say a word about money so idk what point you're trying to argue against

[@Pastas666]

@@FishyAshB Emmm the point is that pop don't need anyone they are doing just fun I mean they even take the gigs of JAZZ Festivals LOL

[@FishyAshB]

@@Pastas666 Again, I'm not talking about popularity or gigs or money or ANY of that. I just think Laufey's music is great and can be a positive influence on pop music and journalists boxing her into "saviour of jazz" hinders that. I don't get why you're being so antagonistic about this unless you hate Laufey or something?

[@Pastas666]

@@FishyAshB Nah I like her And I think the lebel Savior of jazz thing is cringe and I don't agree with that My point is that Jazz need her more than Pop

[@thehalchannel9036]

The correct take

[@angelovelasquez7731]

Patrick spitting straight facts.

[@johnminkishere]

Pop must be saved…I love playing good pop songs and putting my twist on it

[@waynehicks1969]

I agree, Jazz does not need saving. the only people saying this don't like Jazz and never did. The people saying that would kill jazz if they could. By the way who is Laufey?

[@LofiWurld]

Cus jazzz’ old ahh need saving

[@freddyjdukes]

LEAVE JAZZ ALONE!! the britney of 2023

[@phoskalade]

Strong Agree ☑️

[@petr.agapov]

🙌

[@82zman1]

Finally! The music world needs to hear Patrick’s comments regarding Laufey. He puts to an end all the nonsensical bantering about Laufey saving Jazz. As a fan of Laufey I prefer just to enjoy her music rather than waste my own energy trying to categorize her music Anyone that thinks Jazz needs savings needs to Listen to Patrick’s solo on Mr PC with Emmett Cohen

[@enelsondebe4883]

Heyo I’m first! Trumpet player here

[@saatvikpalli7958]

Same! Letsgo

[@christianilkjr6771]

I've stopped using the word jazz when people ask me what I listen too, now I just say fusion. I think one of the misconceptions is that anything with advanced harmony is automatically jazz, that's sort of what I used to believe. But the thing is that classical music can have advanced harmony, progressive rock can have advanced harmony, fusion most definitely can have advanced harmony but that doesn't necessarily make it jazz, I realize now that jazz refers to a somewhat specific tradition. It's the same with the instrumentation, a piece doesn't just automatically become jazz because it has a saxophone in it. I also think that even though we tend to think of fusion as the niche offshoot, that it's actually the opposite way around nowadays. Is Jacob Collier fusion or jazz? Is Snarky Puppy fusion or jazz? Is Pat Metheny fusion or jazz? There is a lack of distinction between jazz as a tradition, and new music that might borrow from it. In the case of fusion, both much of the harmonic language and usually also improvisation, but I still would not call it jazz. For me, I am perfectly okay admitting that I am not the jazz guy I thought I was, even though my biggest love is rich harmony.

[@etheretherether]

It's funny, first time I heard Laufey I though the exact same thing about pop. Instead of "oh she's popularizing jazz" I thought "finally someone breathing some complexity into pop"