We're Heading for Civilisational Collapse - Social Psychologist Jonathan Haidt

[@triggerpod]

Watch the *BONUS 30 minutes* on our Locals! triggernometry.locals.com/ Go to ground.news/triggernometry to see through media bias and get the full story. Use our link to save 40% on the Ground News unlimited access Vantage plan this month. CHAPTERS👇 00:00 Trailer 00:33 The great rewiring of childhood 04:03 We have to delay access to technology 05:30 We're disrupting neural development 06:49 Fragmentation of attention 09:32 Online socialising is no substitute for real connections 12:07 Meaninglessness has shot up since 2012 12:58 Online Bullying 15:00 The rise of sextortion 16:35 Social media has become less social 18:07 Give kids back play-based childhood 20:50 Gen Z has been irreversibly damaged 22:09 But there is hope for Gen Z 26:11 SPONSOR: Ground News 28:30 The fragility of Gen Z employees 29:53 How will the anxious generation shape the world? 35:58 They think “speech is violence” 36:24 The need for group cohesion 40:35 The plummeting of mental health 46:30 The devastating impact of p*rn 51:14 We're heading for civilizational collapse 52:15 It's a collective action problem 53:08 Jonathan's 4 steps to fix this 55:08 Chaos pushes people towards authoritarianism 58:24 Why I’m no longer a progressive 1:00:06 Wisdom from John Stuart Mill 1:02:23 What’s the one thing we’re not talking about?

[@Nathan-vq9ch]

Mr E I call you out to have a debate on the topic ""BUT""

[@MagnusGalactusOG]

Stress is far more likely to take you out than some collapse scenario. 💯⚕Just prep to the best of your ability and live your life as well as you can.

[@hedgefundphil]

America was founded upon the idea of adding 200 points to a black person's SAT score, handing out SBA loans to minorities and promoting women's owned businesses? Whatever America was founded upon no longer exists even if America was just an idea which is highly dubious in itself.

[@nethanielshabtay6672]

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[@secretbassrigs]

A technology induced or indoctrinated generational emotional attachment disorders. basically a lack of parenting.

[@Falconlibrary]

Fun fact: I used to teach at a school in Silicon Valley. ALL of the Big Tech people send their kids to "low tech" schools such as Montessori, where the kids don't use computers, smartphones, tablets, etc. It's like it's 1958 in those schools. But they want YOUR kids to use all those products. Big Tech follows the drug dealer's mantra: "Never get high on your own supply."

[@terrorists-are-among-us]

Exactly.

[@andrewdawson5281]

Interesting point, well made.

[@apocalypta3620]

Frontal cortex development is hard enough.

[@angelawest9759]

😮

[@AtracBreezy]

I mean most electronics are not necessarily marketed towards kids. Most parents just hand their 2 year olds their 800 phones, which is not marketed to kids in any capacity. The problem is not big tech, it’s the parents. They use the technology marketed to THEM to avoid having to actively parent their child. It’s easy mode parenting and it’s doing serious damage to the kids.

[@rorybjorkman]

when you give your child a smart phone . you are NOT giving them access to the internet , you are giving the internet access the them . .

[@knrdvmmlbkkn]

"when you give (...) access [to] them . ." Or, more likely, both.

[@opodobed]

So true!

[@sweetpeanmolly]

Brilliantly stated!

[@opus_X]

I mean, you are giving them access to the internet. Otherwise the internet "wouldn't have access to them"

[@petyrbaelish007]

That should be written on billboards.

[@johnB11ify]

I am a teacher and have been saying this since 2016. My daughter who is now 12 I taught through COVID and she achieved an unbelievably high level not attained at school. When it came time for a smart phone I had taught her of the perils and the rule was NO PHONE AT NIGHT. This proved to be such a battle. I was a single dad and her mother was not in her life very much. My daughter then started secondary school year 7. Her education was high, she still enjoyed school and was progressing well. The phone I gave her was old. We still did a lot of activities together however, the pressure of the phone was starting to take over. Then her mother bought her a brand new phone. I just couldn't get her off the phone. Our relationship broke down. She moved in with her mother. Her attendance at school collapsed. She stopped doing her homework and her mother lets her do anything she wants to. Now her mother has her diagnosed as autistic. Yet another Internet fad. I no longer see my daughter. We were so incredibly close it's heartbreaking. I hate internet phones in the hands of children. It's so harmful and really difficult to stop. I was seen as abnormal.

[@mirihope2018]

Don't give up on her, there will come a time when she comes back. One day she will realize that you're the best father for her. God bless ❤

[@geoffreyharris5931]

They are an elaboration of television.

[@ziggyhogan7560]

You will get her back she is just in her dumb teenager years. Just do your best to minimise the damage done before she wakes up

[@johnB11ify]

@@ziggyhogan7560 Thank you are for your kind comments I do appreciate them.

[@lauraarcher1730]

That’s so sad! She’ll wake up one day and realise what you did for her and what an amazing Father you are. She will need you again.❤

[@james-kc7xk]

I'm so proud of my niece and nephew for giving up their devices. One is a musician and one is a swimmer. 14 and sixteen. Both are kicking ass.

[@glassjester]

Today, sports might be one of the best ways to keep kids active, in community with other kids, and AWAY from screens. I was never into organized sports as a kid - but I didn't need to be. We all played outside together every day. Now it's different.

[@purepeter4737]

Kicking is assault

[@Brickhouseacademy]

😂

[@jolin8493]

Mobilphones have just become illegal at schools for 16 years and younger all over Norway. A beginning...

[@MultiBrio]

Når og hvordan ble dette vedtatt? Har ikke fått det med meg 😀

[@snc237]

Canada is starting to do the same thing in some areas

[@m0rg4nne]

@@MultiBrio ikke jeg heller :)

[@Tennethums1]

You try that here in the U.S and people would lose it. I see where some schools aren’t allowing it, but it’s just so engrained in our lazy education system (online curriculum, digital text books, etc) that you just can’t succeed in school without them.

[@jolin8493]

@@MultiBrio Du får google litt, så slipper jeg å bruke av tiden min på voksenopplæring 😀

[@user-eg4hz7ck6h]

I work with a quite a few Gen Z lads. In the canteen at lunchtime they make no conversation whatsoever. Instead, each opens up Tik Tok, and flicks through reams of sociopathic "pranksters." Often a video will play for less than a second before it's dismissed as insufficiently stimulating. It's truly frightening.

[@KatallinaVT]

My niece is like this. It's very sad. Had a tablet in her hands from age 9 and all interaction goes through that like it's a barrier.

[@pengbeatz]

I had a gen z lad work with me last week & he barley spoke a word to me the whole week. I tried my best to try & find a personality in there but all I could find was weed & instagram

[@sspacegghost]

ghosting is totally okay with gen z. its like that with customer service, a gen Z server will ghsot you during the interaction...

[@garrygrant2394]

They are essentially unemployable. It will take generations to get this world back on track, if ever. I do envy the baby boomers not only because they got to live in a somewhat functional world but they are likely to exit before things become unbearable. Glad I'm not in my twenties though.

[@geekarchivistpearce828]

Technology has made Gen Zombie Zoomers dumb unfortunately

[@ohhi_ana]

I'm so grateful for my 90's childhood with freedom to play outside with friends. 🙏 Even as an adult it's sometimes hard to control screen time.

[@gulfcoastlife3901]

You should have seen the 60's and 70's! It was awesome 😁

[@marianlynch4829]

​@@gulfcoastlife3901It was awesome...we didn't have much ...but the freedom, music, and togetherness was magical.

[@emultra759]

@@gulfcoastlife3901 The good thing about the 90s is that it had the essentials of the 60s/70s but with cooler toys at home. Life outside the house was almost exactly the same as 30 years earlier - no cellphones or smartphones, no internet on the go. It's just that we had PCs, action cartoons, and Super Nintendos/Playstation at home instead of The Flintstones and Magnavox/Atari.

[@ryanbailey5709]

True, but adults are as addicted to phones as teenagers. All of that free play outside was quickly abandoned by the majority of us as soon as Apple produced something shiny, a forbidden fruit.

[@rjw4762]

The 1990s was the best decade - been downhill for 25 years now, with no return.

[@rosgill6]

the problem is even schools want kids to have tablets as a learning tool even though kids were fine without them for hundreds of years. education needs to be low-tech again

[@bl4531]

Schools also need to meet the requirements of employers, to prepare students for the world of work . A mix of resources used in teaching is necessary. It's like you can't put the genie back in the bottle.

[@CentreMetre]

I think learning how to use tech in school is important since that is what you will be doing in the work place, so its kind of a necessary evil. The reason they were fine without them for hundreds of years is because they didnt exist, so that and "education needs to be low-tech again" a silly argument since the world is high tech and is only going to get more high tech from now on (not that i necessarily like that tbh).

[@buggs9950]

The OP is quite clearly talking about technology being integrated into teaching in general. Teaching kids how to use technology is one thing. Using that technology to teach everything else is quite another.

[@Janarchist85]

I didn't learn how to use a tablet at school for work. I can now. They don't need them in school, they can learn easily later.

[@kempzel1]

@@bl4531that is if you believe that the purpose of schools is to prepare children for corporate America. It’s not wrong to want children to be prepared for work, but ultimately we’re raising humans, not designing algorithms for the machine. Schools shouldn’t exist as a conveyer belt delivering corporate automatons.

[@user-sw9bo1hv9z]

I've been a high school teacher since 2008, predominately Freshman. For the first part of the career it was a blast, I had a lot of fun with the students. But there is a definitely line of demarcation which started in 2015. There was this huge skill gap that was obviously apparent to the entire staff--they were less organized, had less attention, less study skills, and were more rude/impulsive. Then COVID drove them off a cliff. I now have to devote class time to training my classes in basic human interactions to avoid constant conflict and punishment. Teaching isn't "fun" anymore. It's more like a serious rehabilitation program...and I've grown in my anxiety about the future 10 fold.

[@karishmasinha4686]

I teach university and my freshman course are exactly this. I’m exhausted

[@unclejj13er75]

It needs to become 'uncool' to be stuck inside the stupid phone. How do we get there? Because it really is stupid and uncool. I know, I'm old!! But these 'kids' (young adults) are really not very interesting or compelling in the personality sense. Not ALL of course. But it is strange and troubling. How do we get there?

[@marshalmcdonald7476]

I've been teaching piano, guitar and other instruments since 1980. I can say with authority that in the last 10 years the kids have become almost unteachable. It's a combination of lower attention span, lower sense of 'why', combined with an 'eye rolling' attitude. I retired.

[@user-zu5do6ri6r]

Paying the government to create a pandemic, then use that pandemic as an excuse to run medical experiments on children, is also pretty disheartening to children also.

[@marshalmcdonald7476]

@@user-zu5do6ri6r Good words.

[@augustuslxiii]

​@@user-zu5do6ri6r Not everything is a gov't conspiracy where shadowy conspirators unleash destruction. Sometimes things just happen by chance or accident. Pretty sure no gov't started the Black Death or Plague of Justinian, for instance.

[@stefaniakonstantinidou981]

What do u do now after retirement

[@marshalmcdonald7476]

@@stefaniakonstantinidou981 Thanks for asking. I read ALOT--science, evolution of consciousness and biographies. I jam with various bands around the Chicago area--i play trumpet, bass, banjo, mandolin, keys and flute so I have lots of passports into jamming. I workout, watch lots of youtube, netflix and amazon prime. Also I've been fortunate to have done some traveling, both in the US and internationally. I mentor young people and here and there I still teach a little music.

[@banangnang]

I recently stayed with some friends who live in a rural area in New Zealand. Their extended family included a lot of 'free range' kids from about age 3 to 15. No phones in sight. Just playing on the beach, climbing trees, falling out of them, throwing shit at seagulls, chasing the dog, all with minimal parental oversight. The older kids were forthright, independent, bright and responsible. The younger ones were chaotic but were mostly managed by the older kids and weren't naughty or obnoxious. Coming back to the city and hanging out with friends who helicopter their kids, the kids are shy, anxious, needy, fearful, if they fall over they immediately look for sympathy or an audience... and then start crying. Sweet, funny and intelligent kids but I worry in the parents' desire to keep them safe, they haven't done them any favours.

[@grannyannie2948]

I live in a small Australian seaside village. They used to say it was unhealthy to raise children in cities.

[@miggio0]

I think you are onto an interesting point, rural areas are best to raise kids, cities are too dangerous so parents feel the need to helicopter.

[@alenaadamkova5322]

Video Assumtions and relationships - Jaroslav Dušek......This is the best explanation (translation) of love, relationships, and conflicts, and how to spread love energy. Konstantin Kisin would like it because he understands assumptions and mind made unreal ideas.

[@MonochromaticBlues]

‘Throwing shyt at seagulls and chasing dogs’ , why you allowing animal abuse

[@Zenstorm1111]

Throwing shit at seagulls was the shit back in the day. :D

[@petemaguire8677]

I run a camp for kids 8-16 every year for 9 days. In a field, no phones, no screens at all. Barely even electricity. After only a few days kids go back to normal, adults too. It's amazing! If we can't get rid of these things maybe periods of fasting from them are a reasonable compromise?

[@wendyandrew3707]

Restraint as in all things

[@outlander234]

Yeah thats all it takes which is the flip side.

[@kevinpankanin6222]

That was me in Boy Scouts when i was younger. They have now changed this policy...

[@petemaguire8677]

@@kevinpankanin6222 scouts are allowed to have their phones? That's crazy!

[@PoppaRoc-np3er]

You might be on to something.

[@PlanetAutistica]

People often comment on how polite and advanced my daughter is, asking how we raise her. The reactions I get when I mention that we don’t allow unfiltered screen access and have just one family computer under full parental supervision are priceless. We choose a movie to watch together as a family, but unrestricted internet access or excessive screen time? That’s a firm ‘No’ in our house. We even turn off our phones at home. It’s alarming how entitled people have become-just because you can reach me doesn’t mean you have the right to. My boss’s reaction when I told them that was priceless.

[@Detwritus]

Your family is two decades ahead.

[@kevinpankanin6222]

Love this post. Wondering if you guys are religous or spirtual in any way?

[@PlanetAutistica]

@kevinpankanin6222 No, not really just Autistic 😅😅😅😅

[@PlanetAutistica]

@THRMO-D Haha, I wouldn’t exactly call it fantastic. Honestly, I just don’t see the point in spending all day glued to a talking box, doing whatever it tells me to do. Even though I’m a millennial and I love technology, I think we’ve gone a bit overboard with it. It feels like everyone is just so focused on constantly consuming. Maybe it’s time we slowed down a bit. Most of us don’t really need the latest iPhone 5000 MiniXS Max just because the last one is two weeks old, but we still chase after it because the talking box says we should 😳

[@PlanetAutistica]

@@kevinpankanin6222 (I swear I commented this, but it's gone) Haha, no, just Autistic

[@Superdisco199]

You have to understand the parents are addicts themselves. It's hard for addicts to fix addicts. Date some mid 40's women who are addicted to dating apps. They can't sit still long enough to watch a movie. People in general have lost the ability to think and problem solve.

[@deborahswan221]

Also much business is conducted on apps, clients booking appointments so the adult needs it on them ALL THE TIME 😢

[@innotech]

this is true! Even as aware of the problem as I am, I still have quite an addiction to my phone and social media. When I babysit my niece/nephew I have to pry myself away from it and focus on taking care of them. If they see me on my phone they naturally will ask why they arent allowed to. Now granted the vast majority of what I interact with online is education in nature because I have insatiable curiosity about the world, addiction is still addiction. I am mature and stable enough to not be affected in a way that affects mental health but I am still tied to this device far too much. For me it is being spoiled by seemingly infinite human knowledge at my fingertips. It is far too interesting for me to abandon it. In fact at this point it may be the only concurrent place to really learn about anything useful.

[@chloe-nr4ti]

💯

[@danfoster-hy8mo]

Thank you God for letting me grow up in the 70's. Public swimming pool, bologna sandwiches, three TV channels.

[@LimitlessThinker]

Same here. We all hung out together and walked to places often. Had a lot of fun.

[@teri03]

All of the lakes I used to swim at were shut down out of fear of bacteria. We all survived survived the lakes full of bacteria and trash back in the day- late seventies early eighties. Tons of yellow jackets swarming us as we ate our hot bologna sandwiches with wilted lettuce and old mayo while sipping a Shasta. Our babysitter would pack up more children than was allowed by the state in her station wagon without any seatbelts and take us every week. Oh ya and we did not wear sunblock either. And there wasn't a payphone in sight if anything happened. Best times of my life as a child strike fear in parents today I guess.

[@BEAUTYnIQ]

omgosh 3 channels on the dial of the rabbit ears curtis mathes tv.. 3, 4, and 6.. and it went off-aire at 11 pm! boooooooooooop w/the frozen color screen or just .. snow. hah.

[@JohnSmith-tx3ys]

I grew up in the 80’s. We rode our bikes all day. Played football. Swam the community pool.

[@PHYTOPLANKTON1987]

Yea.. even the 80s. 1987 for me and the last generation before smartphones and even internet. Count myself lucky 🍀

[@Caratacus1]

Boardgames. Kids want to game. Give them boardgames to play face to face with their friends. Let them have gaming sleepovers. There's a huge boardgame industry and they are invaluable for teaching social interaction s such as negotiation, teamwork, sustaining their focus, and lots more.

[@kevinpankanin6222]

Yep. We used to play "pinecone wars". Literallt just throwing them at each other. Was an amazing game. Kids do not need all this electroni gizmos

[@AR-mc8mn]

We try to do board games once a week but with kids sports it ends up being every 10 days or so. It's a blast for everyone. Sometimes it causes as fight that has to be resolved (hello Monopoly). Kids love playing poker and other card games as well.

[@philg7889]

Tonight we're playing FEUDOM. I'm 62, but we have four guys in their twenties around the table. Phones are banished to the sidelines.

[@amazer747]

Chess. Develop strategy, rules, forward thinking, patience, reflection on how you got checkmated. Probably viewed now as Black and White against each other!

[@neilmcdougall4927]

I used to love playing cards with grandparents as a kid.

[@samjosh9246]

Haidt’s solutions are worthwhile and should be common practice for parents. No smartphones until Highschool is entirely reasonable.

[@hebber1961]

Solutions for problems he and his ilk created. Or let happen under his watch.

[@ulrichenevoldsen8371]

​@@hebber1961 what's your point

[@scottttym]

Sorry. He's being ideological. Yes, in my house... That's happening. But my kids are going to be the geeks,,, and I hope that strengthens them instead of hurts.

[@unknownbutknown332]

​@@scottttymtheres more to it

[@iconoclast137]

​@@scottttymthe educated will be ostracized members of society in the future. It's already happening

[@maggen_me7790]

I was reminded of Gollum when a 1 year old was screaming and grabbing to glue themselves to parent phone as is it was the most precious thing in the world...

[@FoursWithin]

Myyyy smerrrtphoonne Yesss , myyyy smerrrtphoonne .

[@maggen_me7790]

@@FoursWithin 😂

[@billcosgrave6232]

"In order to be self governing as a nation you need citizens who are self governing in their lives" Brilliant statement!!!!

[@helenhawkins2107]

Yesterday i went on a local bus and it was full of elderly English folk. They were talking to each other so interestedly and enthusiastically it reminded me of the days before people in public were bending over their phones, ignoring their neighbour and going round with headphones on. The left talk of 'coming together'. We've never interacted less with our neighbour, strangers or family alike.

[@user-zu5do6ri6r]

My free time is stolen in the form of taxes.

[@borisdodgingbullets]

I’m a university professor. We started noticing diminished attention spans, critical thinking, and adventurousness in our students around 2018. It’s gotten worse since then! And, I’ve heard young people refer to social anxiety more in the past 6 years than I had in my prior 48 years.

[@Jim90117]

Because they're not developing proper social skills, you get social anxiety from a feeling of not being in control in a social setting and potentially looking like a fool because of it (eg not being able to hold a conversation properly). I think it's on part social media companies for making apps that replace normal social interactions, like at the lunch table, but also I think the blame may lay with parents not raising their kids to socialise with people they don't know and buiilding the confidence to have a normal conversation. How many Ipad parents do we see in resturaunts and other public spaces?

[@jimlyon7276]

@borisdodgingbullets - The problem isn't that recent - After being trashed by Napoleon @ the Battle of Austerlitz in 1805, Prussian authorities decided to blame their troops for "thinking too much" so then "dumbed down" their own education system. Come 1840 USA elite capitalists & corrupt politicians decided to import Prussian model of scholing to America in order to obtain "zombnie work forces paid peanuts" & easily controlled. since we & 1/2 the world have imported it. (Ref : "Weapons of Mass Instruction" by John Taylor Gatto ) When I left school back in '64 I wasn't taught such basics as PROBLEM SOLVING/CRITICAL THINKING-RIGOUR/LOGIC* - CAUSALITY TRAINS** -* Thus forced to fall back on the quite inadequate logic of Aristotle STILL built into the English language - ** Chasing symptoms-effects is a waste of time, you need to run your causality train BACKWARDS to find the ORIGINAL cause. Despite that system & useless teachers, I worked out my own plan for organising time in order to get 8 "O" levels - based on doing the easietquestions first, & leave a big space to go back & finish off, if time available. - By the time I finished school, I suffered from the "3Bs" - BORED BEYOND BELIEF "

[@borisdodgingbullets]

@@Jim90117 Social media apps can be deleted. Phones can be taken away. I put most of it on the parents. But, educational institutions exacerbate the problem. I can tell you that I no longer see a curricular emphasis on the development of critical thinking skills or autonomy.

[@jayjones9219]

@@Jim90117 Agreed! I asked a GenZ employee to place a phone call to another department to set up a meeting and to introduce herself. She said she could not make the phone call because she didn’t know the person she was calling. I was blown away. She could not bring herself to do something so simple. These people are socially stunted.

[@karenlewkowitz5858]

Conversation frequently is down to bare bones transactions. The odd permissible story has some success in terms of being listened to when introduced as a 'short story' ie 3 sentences with a short tie up at then end explaining the reason. Poetry and the beauty of language is for the few

[@philg7889]

Young guy walked into the road, straight in front of my car, a while ago. He was very apologetic, but he had to look up from his phone screen to say sorry. He had ZERO IDEA he was about to be involved in a road incident.

[@jacovichstabs841]

Bet this happened all the time in the decades where people walked around reading newspapers.

[@LabhriunnMaciain]

I came from a wee tiny island in Shetland to America in 1963 when I was 13. Our island is so small we didn't have cinema, nor TV, nothing "modern". Our form of entertainment was books, story telling, playing fiddle...I am not a fan of cinema and television, even live theatre because it stops my mind from working. When you read, even though a character might be explained in great detail, your reading mind gets to determine HOW red the characters, and how bright the sword might shine, or the way the scales of the dragon might feel. Once the images are cast onto the screen or stage, your mind is shut out of the adventure. It is no longer your adventure, it is the directors adventure you are forced to see. Your mind is shut down because you are forced to ONLY see what's on the screen. Reading brings you into the adventure, or having a story read to you doesn't clutter your imagination, it stimulates it.

[@jenniferjaudon-otero5611]

I totally agree with the "why" reading is so much better than cinema. You said that very succinctly. I am an older millennial who strives to show a love of reading to my children. I love hearing them say, "The book was much better!"

[@geoffreyharris5931]

That was well said.

[@andreasschaetze2930]

It’s by design and convenience is a devil you have to fight on your own. I’m 54 and nothing that rarely somebody can follow my mental games because they are lacking universal knowledge and understanding of science, let alone construct or imagine something in your mind before executing. Before I start a project it run multiple times in my mind already and fixed flaws or obstacles before occurring. One sad thing is the lack of real communication in the last few generations. The most crazy thing is that people want their problems solved, even in the job, and expecting that someone will follow up. I have a background of biology, chemistry and psychology with connecting fields like biochemistry and genetics . I love to expand my knowledge and seeing how it always clicks to form a higher understanding and wisdom.

[@andreasschaetze2930]

It’s by design and convenience is a devil you have to fight on your own. I’m 54 and nothing that rarely somebody can follow my mental games because they are lacking universal knowledge and understanding of science, let alone construct or imagine something in your mind before executing. Before I start a project it run multiple times in my mind already and fixed flaws or obstacles before occurring. One sad thing is the lack of real communication in the last few generations. The most crazy thing is that people want their problems solved, even in the job, and expecting that someone will follow up. I have a background of biology, chemistry and psychology with connecting fields like biochemistry and genetics . I love to expand my knowledge and seeing how it always clicks to form a higher understanding and wisdom.

[@SagaciousFrank]

Love how everyone comes out of the woodwork now to point out the obvious but decades ago the few of whom saw it were dismissed and laughed at.

[@user-zu5do6ri6r]

It was just a crazy right wing extremist conspiracy theory back then.

[@iiiiiiiiiiii90000000]

Not sure if they'll touch on it in this video but it all actually starts from age 0-3 years. Parents who prioritize work and throw their children into daycare or with baby sitters who aren't a suitable replacement for mom/dad is where all the anxiety begins. In other countries mothers wear their babies on their body all day as they do their work, which is usually taking care of the house or working in fields. Your baby at age 0-1 needs mom to regulate their emotions and feel safe. Then 1-3 years baby still needs their parents all day every day. In the West, we do not culturally prioritize these first important few years of life. We need to go back to one parent in the home and one in the workplace. It is so insanely important for the health and longevity of our children and of our culture and society.

[@TightNinja]

Tell that to the feminists

[@iiiiiiiiiiii90000000]

@@TightNinja oh I know it's near impossible because they've been duped into believing dedicating their lives to their career is freedom or equality.

[@joyb5525]

I'm a retired physical therapist, and when kids are constantly looking down, apart from developing humps, they are also depriving their brains of Oxygen. Head down, throat and airways constricted. Head bent the whole of the front chest again constricting oxygen to the lungs. Also, without human contact, isolation breeds depression. Hence, here in Ireland, we are seeing a huge rise in mental health issues among 12 year olds. Parents need educating.

[@AndreS_22246]

Humps made me laugh 🐪 🐫 (one hump or two?) You are completely correct of course, just a funny way of putting it 😂 I shall go and practice some thoracic mobility now! 🤸‍♂️

[@588holly]

.... how often do people have this body position.... when they read books?

[@apebass2215]

​@@588holly how many children and teenagers have ever read books for 8+ hours a day?

[@grannyannie2948]

Optometrists have told me screen use is increasing the need to wear glasses.

[@grannyannie2948]

​@@apebass2215I think I came damned close.

[@troutcreekrambler]

One of the numberous reasons I retired from teaching after 35 years was the student's inability and unwillingness to put their phones away during my class. I made it clear on the first day of school that phones were to be on silent and put away during class and I would have to tell them every day, multiple times a day, to put the phones away. It was exhausting, writing a referral was a waste of time, and parents were useless in stopping the behavior.

[@grannyannie2948]

The Australian schools I interact with ban phones during class time, and most kids only have dumb phones for emergency phone calls

[@wendyandrew3707]

My experience similar. Chose not to throw pearls at swine any more.

[@Orson2u]

Ban them as school policy.

[@chatteyj]

Wow, bringing out your phone in class is akin to bringing out a gameboy or other gaming device whilst in class, a complete no no in my time at school and something no one ever did. Physical punishe=ment was banned by then but we were all still afraid of our teachers.

[@user-zu5do6ri6r]

Why did you fight it? Phones are an amazing tool.

[@chris2790]

Social media is horrible. My 24 year old daughter decided to get on Instagram when she was around 19 because her friends were "communicating" only on that platform. She became depressed within a week or so because she only had a handful of followers and some of her friends that had been on for a year or more had a hundred plus. It was hard to reason with her to not put that much value on followers and put things into proper perspective.

[@ChiaraDBrown]

Probably the most important conversation any parent can listen to. Thank you.

[@mark-147]

Community is our strength. Community without diversity trumps diversity without community.

[@kiddytube3915]

Agreed, which is why I go to church every sunday

[@TheLasTBreHoN]

Well said. I'm gonna use that one 😂

[@nicolasgirard2808]

Maybe we should adopt an economic system based on community... We could name it communism... Oh wait

[@TheLasTBreHoN]

It's funny because anything that's named something often has the opposite effect. Diversity leads to lack thereof through homogenization, communism leads to total government control, and tolerance is another, because the people who use that word in the modern form are so intolerant. It's like the bad priest preaching about morals. The irony is palpable

[@BennyMcGibbon]

So very true. It was very telling at the end when Johnathan stated we must talk more about diversity. If you read between the lines you can work out exactly what he is cautiously saying. It takes hundreds of years of blood, sweat, tears, pain, sacrifice, treasure to shore up integral borders that reinforce your culture your nation's security. Whilst having a mutual respect between ourselves our society and then the bordering culture and society. Right now we are smashing centuries of hard work and hard won organisation and structural societal integrity. Both in the interior and the exterior. Its the biggest amount of damage I've ever seen.

[@kevingalligan2846]

Im bout to become amish. Theyre healthier, happier, stronger, tougher. Seen em in Ohio at 5:30 am, morning after massive snow storm, the adults were riding stage coaches, children pushing their wagons behind them up 60⁰ inclines on the main road, all with smiles on their face, 5:30 am, icy roads, no problem for them. Happy on their way to work at the farm.

[@buggs9950]

I suspect there are very few developmental conditions such as ADHD, autism, eating disorders etc. within such communities. (I've come to despise the word community in recent years but this seems an appropriate use for it)

[@marywiggins7411]

​@buggs9950 there are many genetic issues in Amish communities - due to lack of DNA diversity.

[@marywiggins7411]

Try Mennonite instead, they are still very conservative, but not bound by elders that have rules outside the Bible. Plus they sparingly use conveniences, start their own businesses.

[@iuvalclejan]

If you're gay, or an artist, or a woman who is not content to be a housewife in amish culture, you have a pretty bad life. If you like to think outside the box and question conventional wisdom, ditto. The opposite of a bad idea (e.g. extreme liberalism) is usually also a bad idea (e.g. extreme conservatism). And they are also starting to have trouble with modernity and the community-, family- (and integrated individual-) dissolving aspects of capitalism (higher suicide and depression rates)

[@skylinefever]

I often wonder how long entering such a community until people actually get the great happiness and stability. Others argue that there are fewer disorders because increased infant mortality weeds out the weak. Jolly Heretic Dutton discusses it with spiteful mutants.

[@thecastaways2]

I have been a long-time listener and fan of Jonathan Haidt ever since I heard of his work on moral psychology, reading his work and Substack has changed much about how I think about the role that parenting, education, and culture plays in the span of early human development and how it shapes the future. Thank you for having him on once again Konstantin and Francis!

[@paulbergen6574]

Thinking of my childhood '50s - '60s, the best memories for me was playing board games, doing puzzles etc. with older family members especially grandparents. In my family, all my family were always interested in taking time with the kids.

[@AlisonNapier]

Mine too I bet your family are very close and full of love for each other ❤

[@paulbergen6574]

@@AlisonNapier I'm nearly seventy now and that generation is all gone except for my mother age 99. She lives nearby with my brother. I have another brother who puts out Utube videos under Tanks from 2x4s. We're all close and help each other, like right now I'm driving a truck they lent me. But back to my boyhood, my grandma had a Golden Book, Mister Dog... she read it to me innumerable times. The dog wore a straw hat and had a fantastic house. The boy lived with his furry friend so they could have dog like adventures. None of this is possible now.

[@OUTBOUND184]

What endlessly baffles me is that most parents don't see this as blindingly obvious stuff.

[@eastlynburkholder3559]

They see it but act willfully ignorant.

[@all4mom-xv1hp]

They're addicted themselves.

[@mamandapanda185]

it's bigger than just kids. Internet and related devices were introduced to us as means of freedom and expansion. As time went on we saw proof of psychological downfalls of constantly having a device on and and on us, and notably how negatively social media affects us. But this hasn't stopped tech companies and governments from increasingly making it to where we can't opt out of living our lives online through devices. Now the next phase of monitoring and completely controlling what we say, think, and how we live our lives is upon us. And so few people seem to realize/acknowledge the shackles tightening. We are heading in a direction that only benefits those in power.

[@cheeks7050]

yes the price for not using devices is massive

[@johnnymichael1804]

I think nature will have its final say. As it always does. All it takes is one shot of highly charged plasma from el Sol, and all this ceases to exist. You can't have your Orwellian dystopia without a grid to power it. Turn off the lights.

[@sebyeet6]

I think more people are realizing the evil plans of global elite. Might be too late if you got the poke. It's a very deep depressing rabbithole to go down, but knowledge is power.

[@nomane18]

I am so thankful and grateful that I homeschool my kids. Our homeschool community is a strong community where we the parents don't give our kids phones, we let them play and learn together.

[@hughjass8430]

Old millenial here. Went thru high school in the 90s without even a dumbfone, as did everyone else. I knew only a couple of people who had a home pc with internet. I went to college in the early 2000s and graduated in '05 just before Facebook became a thing. I'm so glad all my formative years were spent in a world without smartphones and especially social media which is a cancer in society. There was always plenty of narcissism but social media has exploded it. Everyone is obsessed with curating a manufactured image at all times. Everything must be recorded. It's insanity.

[@crystallaner230]

1982 here. Only difference is I had internet very young, but none of my friends did. No issues with it. But I did become insanely addicted to Facebook when it came out and had to quit in 2008 or so. Like rat sipping cocaine in a box addicted. I can't imagine giving access to that nightmare to kids

[@danjohnson8556]

You’re technically Gen-X

[@danjohnson8556]

@Alanna-e9c So you were born between 1981 and 1996? Must have been a child prodigy in high school early if you went in the 90’s.

[@superspecky4eyes]

I had the same experience, what scares me is how "captured" I feel by smart phones/social media and I am completely aware of it and the damage it does. If I feel that sudden impulse to grab my phone whenever my Wife leaves the room. What chance does a child have?

[@krissyk9767]

Yes same, we were lucky to be children and teens just before the smart phones and internet took over!

[@dopeboy4evr]

So the Mayan calendar was bang on, 2012 was the beginning of our end. Enjoy life best you can and stay safe

[@digitalfinancialmarket]

"Give kids back normal human childhood" I almost cried

[@natbarron]

We need a study in the rise of ADHD diagnosis in adult women and the use of social media

[@lancewalker2595]

Explanation: white women are doing meaningless corporate work, they LOVE to feel like victims, and Adderall is yummy.

[@user-un8ug7lx6c]

Well, I don't think we do, do we? We already know.

[@lancewalker2595]

@@user-un8ug7lx6c …yeah

[@jimijamesatlantian4423]

Just women?

[@natbarron]

@@jimijamesatlantian4423 yep. ADHD diagnosis’s have doubled in adult women in the past few years.

[@sonicleaves]

The thing is, so you put down the phone and go outside, no one is there because everyone is inside on their phone.

[@user-zu5do6ri6r]

There are far too many arbitrary laws that will likely end up in some sort of punishment if we go outside.

[@eastlynburkholder3559]

Carry the phone or a recording device because some law enforcement employees are incompetent or corrupt.

[@eastlynburkholder3559]

We used to say in one ear out the other. The info is just being observed, not processed in a deeper way.

[@stefaniakonstantinidou981]

This is not true. Go out . God will bring you company. But u need to put the effort

[@marcussmart3275]

I see plenty of people outside every time I go out.

[@Xcolombox1]

Life was so much better before cell phones

[@dougmasters4561]

And the 24 hour news cycle.

[@User-54631]

Only said by someone who has never been broken down on the side of the road

[@dougmasters4561]

@User-54631 pre cell phone guy here. Life was overall better before cell phones. Im glad I have one for emergencies but there has been a significant net loss here. The instant availability of everything has made most of what it connects, worse. The only actual benefit I can think of is its use in emergencies

[@Xcolombox1]

@@User-54631 wound up being some of my biggest memories. We figured it out, maybe just not as fast. My daughter is a teenager. I watched videos of my high school with her. Everyone is hanging out talking. I go to pick her up, everyone is head down in their phones. We really didn't need this. My opinion. There's no turning back now

[@yOnKiNaToR]

@User-54631 . Said by someone that is so scared of life that you are worried about breaking down. I've had countless flat tires, stuck in snow, loose lug nut, lost brakes, stuck throttle, engine imploding events, out in the country with no phone. Never needed one. It's called being an adult and gaining confidence through experience. But I admit Im biased. I grew up before phones existed.

[@joynkindness]

It took a degree for him to learn & know what our grandparents knew & warned us about many years ago. His book validates our grand parents. M all rights reserved

[@SeaOrcRonnie]

My oldest son will be 18 in a couple weeks. He’s one of the best jiu jitsu fighters in the world at his age and rank, he’s also off to a top engineering school soon for Chem E. He grew up with a tablet and gaming from a very young age and phone around middle school. I’m a Gen X dad, 45 in a few weeks, the solution I proposed is that you can do whatever you want electronically but if you live under my reign you will do something hard physically in your lifestyle to counterbalance your game play. Otherwise you will age poorly and be physically and mentally impaired as an adult. He took it to heart and has an incredible life balance heading into adulthood. Make your kids work first for their dopamine. Let them freak out if they have to.

[@nelus7276]

Solid advice. Your kids are lucky to have you.

[@BenSmith-jw8zy]

yea, I was a brat demanded my games and raised hell if asked to do anything, after being kicked out at 18 for pot, it was all downhill from there. Now im 40 trying to navigate the damage of drugs and literally 95% of my waking life downloading and watching internet videos and playing games. I know more random facts than anyone my age, my friends call me a genius when i quote science and history facts etc, I can run and mod computers and game systems, but I have trouble being outside for more than an hour without having anxiety and nerve medication, and i am an "acute insomniac" which even 100mg of an antipsychotic (seroquel) prescribed off label because nothing else touches me, I am lucky if I sleep 6 hours a night and 5 nights a week. And with AI videos I can FEEL the dumbing down increasing exponentially, to the point that on the 1st I am not using the internet at all for the rest of the year if possible, and force myself to take walks and go to the park even if it feels like im a burning vampire the whole time. But my fault, not my parents, I was a know it all defiant personality and I now am reaping the benefits of the technology I literally lived for as a young kid to young adult. And my brother, who has 3 kids, are all using tablets and phones starting at 2 or 3, Im afraid Gen Alpha will have "old folks homes" for 30 somethings that did all screen time and no nature. I hope im wrong. and these VR headsets.....i have passed on that.....

[@BlueinRhapsody]

​@@BenSmith-jw8zy Have you tried doing highly physically exhausting activities to help with the insomnia? Perhaps also avoiding screens after a certain time of day?

[@kryptonianog9418]

One hundred percent agree that technology is moving way too fast.

[@KatallinaVT]

Yes. We are purpetually caught in the crosshairs of "Just because we can doesn't always mean we should." and, terrified of YOLO, we contunually make wrong choices.

[@knrdvmmlbkkn]

@@KatallinaVTPerhaps not YOLO but FOMO.

[@47nrubreddew]

No one will do anything about it, it will continue.

[@elipotter369]

I see a lot of parents at the shops and playground with their noses in their phone, giving their children zero social interaction..also children in prams with phones. A 30 year old family member told me that the generation a few years younger than her are really hopeless in the workplace - no skills and no idea how to behave or so anything. The 30 year old was that lucky generation who got technology but also got a good foundation in human interaction, motor skills etc before that, which has endured. If i have grandchildren, we'll be talking and looking and living in tbe real world when we're together.

[@domone1201]

These kids would rather watch people live their lives, than live themselves.

[@kristydickens1283]

I’m 7-8 minutes in and have to agree with Francis about kids losing creativity. I became a teacher in 2001 and left teaching in 2008 to have my kids. I came back to teaching in 2016. The difference in kids was striking. They were less creative and more risk averse. Less willing to venture an answer they weren’t 110% sure was correct. Then Covid made it even worse. The learned helplessness and apathy combined with the anxiety in my classroom today is overwhelming and exhausting to try to reach through to teach anything.

[@bingbong4848]

Ironically, this is 500th video I've watched today...

[@BrewmasterN8]

Are you a teenager

[@bingbong4848]

@@BrewmasterN8 last time I was a teenager Desert Storm was just about to kick off 😳

[@bigrobnz]

so you watch YT on a part time basis.....

[@thewebsiteguysouthafrica]

🤣

[@markshort1988]

😂😂😂

[@eleodel1]

Please, bring Katherine Birbalsingh, Jonathan Haidt, Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay, Helen Joyce and Kathleen Stock together for an open conversation! 😍

[@joce11]

It would be great to see Helen Joyce being interviewed again. Admire Sex Matters work. I'll be honest I'm growing tired of liberal academics like Stock and Pluckrose.

[@zakeaton5632]

Okay Mossad

[@eleodel1]

@@joce11 I understand. I wish it weren't so necessary to throw academics on the frontline of those issues... But it is about education after all 😋

[@jaykebennett6662]

James Lindsay is amazing. After reading race Marxism I’ve been working through everything he does on new discourses. So eye opening

[@Yogawithsallyann78]

That would be amazing 🤩

[@johnbrown4568]

Frankly speaking, one does not need a P.h.d to recognize that the collapse of our current civilization is nigh. This is so, because every civilization has collapsed…there are no exceptions to this fact.

[@yazzyyazyaz]

Some civilizations last thousands of years, some a few hundred, and some less than that. Clearly there are reasons for the difference.

[@knrdvmmlbkkn]

@@yazzyyazyaz"Some civilizations last (...) for the difference." What are those reasons?

[@G8rquest]

The edifice is not the soul - me

[@henrytep8884]

@@knrdvmmlbkknthey have many different reasons. Do you think the reason has to be same? For instance a super volcano destroying a civilization versus a plague versus war and famine. If you want to talk about advance civilization then the reasons also are going to be different, but there’s many reasons why civilization and society collapses. Are you asking for any particular reason for any particular civilization, otherwise all of the above is the reason and more. But there’s no evidence that one of the reason is social media or cell phone usage or screen time, I can tell you that. It might be a reason, but in no way shape or form or historically is it a reason evidence in history.

[@JohnSmith-su3ze]

The fact Haidt spends his time studying things that are glaringly obvious is part of the problem

[@Balfour1948]

I’m a retired professor. After 30+ years of staring at screens for increasingly EVERYTHING over that period, I am no longer able to read a paper book. My brain has been rewired 😢

[@kementurh]

God damn. :-(

[@FatCat823]

You can rewire your brain! Start with maybe one paragraph a day and practice reading it slowly and intentionally. Keep practicing and adding more until you're able to read a whole chapter and then a whole book! You can do it! Look up 'brain plasticity'.

[@Balfour1948]

@@FatCat823 You are so kind to give me this advice. I am familiar with the concept of plasticity, but I never thought of it within the context of my present difficulty with reading paper books. You are a real jewel 💎for responding….

[@el_pescadore]

My childhood in the 70’s was so good, clean and wholesome. My friends, neighbors and our neighborhood was fantastic. I knew everyone in every house by name in a town of 10k people. We were all trim, muscular and played physical sports relentlessly. A baseball glove was transported on my handlebars at all times because a game could break out at any time. I live in the city now, and only know a few neighbors by name, and basically none of the kids because they spend their entire life indoors in front of a screen! It’s such a fundamental lifestyle change, it’s effects are beyond comprehension! I know one thing: this is not good. It’s the beginning of the end of wonderful Americana. I want to 😢 cry.

[@thewackywabbit5080]

A lot have to be said about urban design, which with currently suburbs in USA and Canada, with their Euclid zoning do not allow kids any type of freedom - they have to be driveמ everywhere by the legendary soccer mom, and cannot do anything without adults lurking around.

[@Billybloop]

It makes me sad to read this because I have a 5 year old son. He plays video games and has a laptop computer but it's definitely not all he does. He wanted to play with the two boys nextdoor in our small village and they ran inside and didn't want to play with him because I allow my kids, who are aged between 1 and 5 to play with the hosepipe naked in the yard, apparently and it's inappropriate. I never see any of the kids in the village play together and there are barely any children to begin with. This is the kind of childhood I wish he could have but everyone is in their own bubble and there are so few children.

[@abcdeshole]

You did not know ten thousand people by name at any time in your life.

[@superkruger]

The most important difference between real life and social media, is that young people (especially girls) used to compete with each other in small numbers. And now they're competing against the entire world.

[@teri03]

Also I have seen adult women rag on teenage girls onine. It is a whole competition, but also everyone will hate on them at the same time.

[@Ronald-gu3ft]

Dumb phones for everyone. Make the world a better place.

[@sdrc92126]

Life in the Malpais

[@simonl2072]

Nokia 3310!!! (Imagine a war cry)

[@hornox4life]

First smartphone came out when I was 20+ And I am glad.

[@buggs9950]

@@hornox4life Same here. I like the internet but I sure as hell don't want it in my pocket. It seems to have become an end in itself.

[@householdone7559]

Still got mine... Doro flip phone. Pressure from family to get a smartphone but i see what it does to them and others. My biggest concern is that because life is being put on these phones... that is the direction regardless of the actual effect... essentially life is being made more difficult for ppl like me.... and at some point... will be made impossible... it's almost like that in some other countries already.

[@michaelhenderson643]

Screens dont ruin children They ruin everyone, especially children

[@yOnKiNaToR]

Underrated comment. The affect phones have on productivity at the workplace amongst adults is astonishing. Not to mention the myriad of other ways it affects society.

[@lisafeck1537]

Definitely underrated comment.

[@lisafeck1537]

...combined woth all the over therapisation" of society.

[@michaelhenderson643]

Cant believe yall like my comment after the read more click bait

[@neilmcdougall4927]

My boomer folks are saying 'it's the internet' - I had to tell them it's the screen, and since they came out, always has been

[@Hindenzog]

We have an 11 year old who will be starting Secondary school in September. My wife was supercharged by Haidt after seeing him on TED and has managed, with the aid of the Smartphone Free Childhood campaign, to get his school to impose a ban on Yr 7 students having mobiles during the school day. We have given our lad an iPhone, but with everything locked - no Internet, no games etc - just a camera, phone and messages. More and more parents are seeing the fact that the last 15 years have been a Wild West. The reaction to this sort of thing is a cultural "bottom up" movement- no smartphone of their own until they reach 15 or 16. The cultural norm is getting a phone at 11, which is extremely problematic. Delay until 16.

[@Happyjoyii]

This is not only affecting kids… most adults who has a smart phone are are affected. Communication behaviours are definitely greatly affected.

[@patrickcompton8024]

New Norms: 1. No smartphone before high school 2. No social media before age 16 3. Phone-free schools 4. More free, independent play

[@richardscathouse]

Avoid state schools entirely 😢

[@user-g38fib48]

I'd say no smart phones in grade schools at all. Dumb phones only, if anything. It should be illegal for an underage youth to be in possession of one. Much like drugs, they could end up with a nasty addiction and make some terrible choices.

[@angelawest9759]

My kids were born in 2000 and 2003 and missed the worst of this. If you’ve got parents that don’t know what kids need then it’s a problem. We were busy with sport and getting outdoors. So important!!

[@hightierplayers2454]

The problem is convincing generations of increasingly-bad "parents" to do the harder, but right thing. I think the majority will not care and continue the devolution.

[@keittomaster]

Thank god it’s not really the majority. The idiots are still in the minority although social media tries to tell you otherwise.

[@Bigwiggatreedude]

It's an idiocracy. Those parents in the end make more kids anyway...

[@nihilismistheonlyway4680]

I read a study that said people with higher/high IQ's are having 0 - 1 kids. And lower IQ individuals have several. Do the basic math and the dummies will have us out-bred in no time (I believe it's already happened.) It's incredibly depressing to think about.

[@BrewmasterN8]

Never going to happen. What will happen is a new class of people will emerge. Poor ignorant trash that was raised in tech, and the other end will be rich big family raised on wholesome book reading.

[@TheAcad3mic]

Here's the thing, I myself am currently expecting my first, and will be sacrificing my phone to go dumb phone and be the better example to my children, and lead from the front. Conversation, exercise, books and skills. But what happens when my children go to school? I seriously doubt that what I hope will be excellent children quite frankly will stay that way for very long when put into the education system, which teachers who will very likely be mind addled Gen Z people themselves, at that point, in their 30s

[@masonm600]

I gave up hope 2 months ago, when I saw a toddler scrolling through Tik Tok brain rot content. In the middle of nowhere in Costa Rica. No paved road, no cell reception, just broadcast TV and a little WiFi. Parents just sprawled on the couch watching TV, doing nothing*. *nothing about their kid getting addicted to a screen

[@orcaunoo]

no buen.

[@markupton1417]

How dare people relax and be entertained....

[@patriciasanderson2171]

Think you are missing the point

[@markupton1417]

@@patriciasanderson2171 if you're talking to me, I was making a joke.

[@eugeniebreida1583]

@@markupton1417 really? needs an edit, I missed it too…

[@daffodil1017]

Kids in my city built bike jumps out of dirt and wooden planks. They were taking small risks, become resilient, playing outside, working together unsupervised-- An adult complained to the council, who came and bulldozed it all. The kids are devastated. The council felt it's hands were tied because they could get sued for any injuries, A spokesman recounted doing things like that when he was a kid and how wonderful it was, he actually said 'it's awful but this is the world we live in.'

[@maatthecat3966]

He's absolutely right. Internet friendships are like soap bubbles -- they pop & disappear very easily. And they're really anxiety provoking when you can't see the response. Voice tone, facial expressions & body language are essential for communication and shared activity is the basis of friendship. Thank you for sharing, Jonathan, Constantin & Francis

[@Digitalsurfer265]

Many provinces in Canada including where I live are banning cellphone use in classrooms starting this fall. They also will have the school wifi restrict social media access. A decent first step I think

[@neilmcdougall4927]

They'll be rigging the detonators then

[@mikea7708]

I remember the school bus back in the late 1960's early '70's when the occasional 'top shelf' magazine was passed around amongst the lads. It was treated with reverence due to its rarity, even though it's well thumbed pages and rather 'sticky' feel was testament to how much it had been used. I'm so glad I grew up in that era of innocence when the days were full of collective laughter, teasing, joking and general mayhem and we were just able to be boys. The world has become too complicated.

[@adr12346]

I just finished his book and it was fantastic. You guys are on a roll with great guests - love the historians you’ve interviewed and academics. It really sets you apart.

[@Nilessterner]

I was born in 1996. I am so unbelievably fortunate. My parent raised me as a latchkey kid. I had house keys at 8. I got to walk myself home from elementary school. I had to ride my bike the very reasonable 3 miles to high school. I used my phone at the age just to meet up and coordinate other times to hang out. I was really nerdy and loved video games. I used to lug my desktop pc to friends homes. We would lan party. It was great. Watching my wife's sister who is core gen z not be able to get on a public train without first calling her mom to ask her mom for help is insane. She's 25. She can't get on a flight on time. We have robbed our children of the adversity needed for individual growth.

[@Pennypattilo]

*Larry Burkett's book on "Giving and Tithing" drew me closer to God and helped my spirituality. 2020 was a year I literally lived it. I cashed in my life savings and gave it all away. My total giving amounted to 40,000 dollars. Everyone thought I was delusional. Today, 1 receive 85,000 dollars every two months. I have a property in Calabasas, CA, and travel a lot. God has promoted me more than once and opened doors for me to live beyond my dreams. God kept to his promises to and for me*

[@LoriReynolds000]

There's wonder working power in following Kingdom principles on giving and tithing. Hallelujah!

[@LeviSimon-jx2kf]

But then, how do you get all that in that period of time? What is it you do please, mind sharing?

[@Pennypattilo]

It is the digital market. That's been the secret to this wealth transfer. A lot of folks in the US and abroad are getting so much from it, God has been good to my household Thank you Jesus

[@Pennypattilo]

And thanks to my co-worker (Michael) who suggested Ms Susan Jane Christy

[@ManuelShae]

How can I start this digital market, any guidelines and how can I reach out to her?

[@natbarron]

There’s absolutely no substitute for dinner table discussions between parents and children.

[@jerrymoore838]

Absolutely

[@rajindersangha729]

Yes there is. Just shut up and eat your damn food, enjoy it even. Have discussions when they need to be had that’s natural.

[@natbarron]

@@rajindersangha729 what’s the substitute for it?

[@rajindersangha729]

@@natbarron Many things, be creative I guess! Here’s a few to get you started. - play dinner table juice pong(beer pong if you’re alcohol consumers & importantly your children are of legal age to consume it. - Have a silent dinner where each family member contemplates their day and perhaps unwinds mentally. - play “ I Spy “ - Have a food fight (have cleaning products on the ready once over) - Make up a story where each family member makes up the next line. - watch triggernometry together.

[@jibberism9910]

Lol, yeah although I never had those.

[@robfreeman5783]

Us 90s kids had it so great developmentally. All the independence and freedom of a normal childhood that our parents and grandparents had, internet first arrived just as we became capable of reading and writing and self-directed learning from it, and then smartphones and social media came once puberty and our brain development was finished.

[@nihilismistheonlyway4680]

Omg yes. If I were a teenager rn I'd be sooo screwed. I was a mess.

[@grannyannie2948]

The younger gen z, and the Gen A, ussually have millenial parents who understand how damaging social media is.

[@alieunjie8459]

You do know your brain isn't fully developed until 25, right? Also, it's funny because it is the 90s kids who are raising the ipad kids 💀🤣

[@orcaunoo]

yeah. still fucced though 😅

[@volfi123]

@@alieunjie8459 What you say is very true. I was born in '85 and i notice that my friends who have children let em spend a lot of time on cell phones. I have talked to them about the dangers and they all nod and agree. However , they do nothing about it. I have also noticed that they themselves are slaves to the ipad and cell phone and spend almost all their time in front of it watching memes or even on sports gambling sites and playing poker. Bottom line is i have come to the conclusion that most of society is addicted REGARDLESS of age. I don't believe that there is a solution to this problem and no hope that one will come about in the future

[@menzicosce]

Never thought I would be grateful that I was a latchkey kid of a single mother in NYC in the 80’s.

[@notme222]

He's absolutely right about social media being performative. I've noticed if you address someone by name - even just screenname - they will call you "condescending". (Which is a meaningless insult now, especially from someone who was just comparing you to Hitler.) And if you reference something the same person said in a different conversation they will go *ballistic*. In person these are nice things to do because they show a personal connection. Online, they break the implied rule that you aren't actually talking to each other, but rather using each other for attention.

[@danguee1]

I was born in 1959, had an early childhood in tropical Africa, teens in Cape Town, came to the UK (freedom of the press, of speech, equal opportunities - hooray), got into music in a big time in the 1970s to 2000s - amazing bands from deep prog to reggae, jazz - saw how UK society started to converge on the sweet-spot of equal opportunities, freedom and togetherness in the 1990s and 2000s. Such optimism for such a long time in my life! Now I'm 65 and watching Leftist totalitarianism, divisive tribalism and Islamism slowly sweeping over society as we move towards its destruction. But I couldn't have chosen a better time to be alive! I'm an atheist, but: thank you God for borning me in the time period you did!!!

[@defeatisfinal]

Boomers have a very boomerish way of commenting. I dont know how else to describe it LOL

[@AWal31994]

A huge dilemma I've experienced as a Gen Z'er is you're kinda darned if you do and darned if you don't. If you indulge in videogames, social media, massive group texts, then you are socializing and able to relate to an extent with people around the same age as you, although it is a less whole form of socializing. But at the same time, if you eliminate all of these things or most of them in your Gen Z life, you have nearly no one to relate to around the same age. You ask people if they want to go out and do things, and they'd rather just stay inside. Even so, no doubt I've been guilty of the same. I've been off social media and for the most part not partaken in associated fads for nearly 8 years, and it's hard. Not only are you less connected to your fellow Gen Z'ers in principle, but the depth to which you think about things is just different if you stop and get your eyes off of the screens. No one wants to talk about real life...

[@albatroce2324]

Yup, my parents forbid social media to "protect me" from others. It completely sheltered me from socialising outside school

[@QuestionEverything-zl9di]

I may have a suggestion about how to talk about real life to real people in person, if you let me know which town you live in or near.

[@kempzel1]

I think overlooked in this discussion is the way liberal democracy and the radical individualism of the west leads naturally into the development of social media. It was inevitable that people would market their bodies and sexuality because we’ve long ago decided that we can put a price tag on everything. This is a feature, not a bug of the system, and i don’t think it will reverse by simply removing this from childhood. Nevertheless I appreciate the work Haidt is doing.

[@3ddesigns220]

Money and self are poor gods.

[@DerKirchenhocker]

Too much screen time for us 60 year olds is a problem too.

[@daveski4496]

Dont have many addictions i have to keep watch on but the internet is a exception, catch myself needing to be diciplined all the time.

[@3ddesigns220]

I think it's a problem for humans in general. So many things online are designed to be addictive.

[@jantonisito]

In 1986 I saw American saxophonist Wayne Shorter playing at a jazz festival in Europe. I had tickets for both early and late shows. First shows everything was as expected. But during the second show he kept walking off stage and let the band take more solos. It was puzzling. Only later I read that between shows he got news of his daughter dying from seizure. Still - he was a professional - he played the show.

[@tensevo]

I did not use social media until i was around 27 or so, it was like being assaulted.

[@ProLifeBryce]

Brilliant once again, gentlemen! Thank you! Sharing THIS episode on my social media too. Got 5 kids, ages 9 to 17. None of them has a smart phone, none has ANY social media presence. These things are NOT necessities for children and youth. Real and potentially permanent harm is caused by this stuff. Excellent comments on politics’ interaction with higher Ed and the social sciences especially too!! LOVED this, men! Thank you!

[@perfect12386]

The number one thing I always do when my anxiety and depression disorder is bad is come off social media completely. I don't even interact with businesses posts. Photography questions can wait a few days till I'm well again.

[@watcher235711]

I was an anxious, nervous kid by nature. Growing up in the 70s helped me a lot - going out to play, riding bikes, babysitting (that was a big one!). Still kind of an anxious & nervous person - but I can *always* tough it out. How can you become resilient if no one pushes you to try? Amazing episode - please keep up the awesome guests & respectful dialog.

[@neilmowbray1785]

Has anyone looked at why our kids spend 8-10hours on their phones each day? The ridiculous lives we all lead nowadays where both parents working 60hrs a week and never getting to see your family is commended; kids need their parents around a lot of the time (whether they want them there or not) and they’re just not getting it. It’s this generation’s version of the 70’s & 80’s kids who were raised by the “electronic babysitter” (television). Big difference is that the TV wasn’t able to exploit and abuse you.

[@misspiggy3606]

I grew up in the 70s and 80s. Our parents were often working but we were not babysat by tv. We generally couldn’t wait to go out and play, riding bikes and exploring. If our parents were home and you were indoors you were often told to go outside anyway. Even when indoors, we played games and read books. We enjoyed watching tv later in the evening after dinner but it wasn’t every minute of the day. Of course it helped that we didn’t each have our own personalised screen like now.

[@MelinaV88]

TV is also used big time for programming and indoctrination purposes. Why else would it be called a ‘program’?

[@deathwarmedup73]

I drive a school bus in the UK. I almost never see the teens on their phones, and the Head, when I asked, said the school hadn't banned them. I go into the driver's canteen on my break and it's full of smartphone zombies.

[@MK-ih6wp]

Wow that’s interesting!

[@fredherbert2739]

This is all very true what he is saying. They are unable to watch a video. That was a day for celebration when we were kids, or even in the year 2010.

[@jordanmiller4186]

Protect Jonathan Haidt!

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

He is one of our greats - but protect him from what?

[@funkymunky]

He is.

[@voices_vary]

Haidt is perhaps the most influential voice in modern culture. His book is riveting and conclusions are backed by data.

[@TheSpoovy]

Lol Taylor Swift is about a million times more influential, unfortunately.

[@JohnSmith-su3ze]

Haidt is talking about things we already knew 30 years ago. Why do we need an intellectual to tell us things that are completely obvious to anyone with half a brain?

[@bearskintunic8218]

I think the turning point started around about 2013 when Instagram was taking off. I remember it vividly as I was on a study abroad year in France and Italy and I just recall how out of control selfie culture was starting to get and the way people would plaster everything over instagram like pictures of food and how it seemed that people would spend vast swathes of an outing taking pictures that would look good on social media instead of actually just enjoying being there. I also currently have a couple of Gen Z housemates and the degree to which they are glued to screens even during mealtimes and how they can't have a frank conversation with you outside the 'safe space' of whatsapp (which doesn't involve talking to someone's face) is absolutely staggering. Smart phones and social media have a lot to answer for

[@davidmiller532]

GenX hired for a job doing mid level management for different sites and was required to check on site management and staff the lack of social skills and immaturity of the younger people really disturbed me and I was left pondering why? This pretty much explains it, ironically I never owned a cellphone until my employment requires one and that was 2018 I held out as long as I could today just so much requires them.

[@rajindersangha729]

Change is the only constant in life. Ones ability to adapt to those changes will determine your success in life. ☯️

[@kaniencrone7438]

Balance in all things. You cannot stop the flow of time but you can alter how it affects you.

[@sonicleaves]

💯

[@luiscunha6657]

Sanity at last. Now all kids and parenting problems are phone and social media related. Good to sell books.

[@mavericktheace]

That very last clip from the Patreon section really interests me, and not as a joke. In the last few years Ive taken an interest in the Amish and regularly tell everyone around me that we all need to start living much closer to that than not.

[@sarahjane4908]

I don’t think the damage caused by excessive screen time is limited to kids. So many of us have baby boomer aged parents who seem brain damaged from smart phones, social media and other screens. Are these guys just too far gone to help?

[@Surreal452]

Boomers are among the most addicted

[@cosmo588]

Agreed

[@orcaunoo]

omg. thank you. i get sad looking at my mom. like turn that shit off.

[@MrShizNipz]

My boomer parents spend all night watching the same commercials they’ve watched for 20+ years. I spend less time on screens then they do. It alarming to me how addicted to the television they are.

[@kaniencrone7438]

I see this alot. Both my gen x mom and boomer grandmother are addicted to phones. I often catch then doom scrolling on Facebook about the stupidest worthless content and whenever I call them out for it. I turn into the bad guy.

[@kimbrennanculling7091]

A very interesting episode. I agree with Jonathan in that the simple things make a difference. In our state in Australia a new rule that all students in primary and secondary school are not able to access their phones during school hours. Within weeks students were finding other ways to socialise at recess and lunch time. They started organising games of football, talking to each other, joking with each other. It was so positive and so fast. I hope this continues for the sake of our children.

[@houayek]

I’ve read his last 2 books, they should be mandatory.

[@sdrc92126]

Read _The Age of Spiritual Machines_ to see the future by Googles chief technology officer.

[@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069]

Nothing should be mandatory

[@sdrc92126]

@@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069 Including public education

[@New-Moderate]

@@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069. Ok highly recommend. Feel better?

[@midnightteapot5633]

Mandatory -Jawoll, mein Anführer hehe

[@lancewilliams8001]

I’m afraid the problem is going to get far worse. Being single I’ve gone with a few single mums and they just let baby’s go on the iPad all day it’s shocking

[@coolguq]

When I was a kid, teachers just pretended to care about bullying. Leaving kids alone without some system to deal with bullies, things would just restart again and we would end up woke in the future again. It's wild to me that bullying still is so prevalent in the West. Don't get me started how teachers were afraid of correcting a non European in class.

[@sarahb.6475]

Teachers did nothing about the bullying that happened to me all of those years. I was bullied constantly, especially in grade school. I would tell the teacher but nothing was done. I remember in 6th grade the only punishment a few bullies got was they were not allowed to go on the class trip to a park for a picnic - on the very last day of school! They didn't care about that. It was the last day of school. But the results of all of that endless bullying + ostracizing is that I have c-ptsd. And anxiety..

[@petenztube8592]

Fantastic guest, thanks for having him on. Also, thanks to FF for mentioning that he's a teacher early on, got my first drink at 8:21am today!

[@openmind5973]

You would have had four by 8:40... 🤣

[@ericknudten7272]

Experience blocker...that is a GREAT way to describe what is going on with these phones and computers in general. Haidt is genius.

[@nightowl6260]

Over ten years ago I saw that social media was destroying my child. I refused to allow her to have the phone at age 13. I was accused by her teachers of depriving her ... and being abusive!!!