we still arguing about this? I don't have the energy for it anymore. Watch Channel Pup's video instead. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJq2lIWXmbmGbq8 next videos gonna be about John Wick and Pacific Rim. also Affleck was the bomb as batman.
@blacksuit77910 ай бұрын
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse in Animated Movies in Elseworld
@Samanosuke113810 ай бұрын
God, I love you for showcasing Baby Billy Freeman. That's chef's kiss response lol
@Comicbroe40510 ай бұрын
I'll still never get this discourse especially now that we've gotten ZSJL & Snyder has clearly shown that Batfleck grew from that & returned to his former self. It was a good arc.
@firstlast984610 ай бұрын
Zack couldn’t help himself and literally made a scene where he promises to KILL joker so that arc is meaningless
@ferociousrazordino358110 ай бұрын
@@firstlast9846its au
@TheMaskedWarrior9210 ай бұрын
@@firstlast9846in the alternate future after everything got screwed up. So not really the same
@albertthepeacock802010 ай бұрын
Dudes just watched the first half of DoJ and missed the parts where Alfred and Gotham call Batman out on him breaking his rule and decided that Snyder doesn't understand Batman
@sunsetman2210 ай бұрын
@@firstlast9846his mortal enemy makes light of both his defining tragedy and the murder of his adopted son and he's just supposed to take it lightly? they might be working together against a greater evil for the time being, but he's getting his just desserts when its over.
@Maikigai10 ай бұрын
I wish someone would make a Batman movie based on his first comic book appearance when he carried a gun and killed. Fanboys would rage without reason.
@jonathansalgado636810 ай бұрын
damn i gotta read that
@FrancisCastiglione10 ай бұрын
I mean it has to based in WWII then since it was basically WWII propaganda
@justsomeguywithoutadoubt508310 ай бұрын
That Batman didn't have Alfred, didn't have Robin, didn't have half the gadgets that make him Batman, didn't have half the allies or the villains. In other words, you could say he wasn't even Batman.
@boboboy818910 ай бұрын
@@justsomeguywithoutadoubt5083are you kidding me because i read early comic of batman, Robin saw batman hanging a criminal on tree. I forgot which chapter because its long time ago, another thing is batman using gatling gun on his batmobile is one of iconic in his early comic. Alfred also appears few chapter after that. So what you parroting from others is not True at all
@tiger_lord30510 ай бұрын
Batman has directly or indirectly killed people in pretty much every live action appearance. He had guns on the Batwing in 89. Animated Batman is the best.
@kevrulz0610 ай бұрын
In that quick scroll of comments in the video, I'm seeing a lot of people say that what Zack actually said is something along the lines of if you put rules and regulations on the situations a character can be in, and have them only react to those situations in one way, then they can never grow. It's the same thing that applies to Superman at the end of MoS. People THINK they know these characters, but they just want to have the safe versions of them in their little....err....bottles. When people realize that something like MoS didn't establish any way for Clark to win except kill Zod, then people fall back on the "well then they shouldn't have written him into a no way out situation" argument, only showing they want a sanitized, safe bottled up version. Superman and Batman killing is not only not new to the comics, it's not even new to the films! At least Superman killed Zod in MoS when he was actively threatening innocent lives AND admitted he'd never stop. The almighty Christopher Reeve murdered his completely depowered Zod in cold blood when he could have taken him to any prison in the industrialized world. Bale killed his mentor in cold blood by "not saving him" and people didn't bat an eye! Posts like in the video just prove that the media, DCEU and Snyder haters, and "real DC fans" will jump at any opportunity to twists Snyder's words
@SA1NT5310 ай бұрын
Forget rent free, Snyder got a whole ass mansion estate in these Mfs heads
@armyofuno819610 ай бұрын
With all them combined he's got a whole country
@firstlast984610 ай бұрын
He’s the one who brought it up - cos he hasn’t made a decent film under 3 hours in over a decade.
@SA1NT5310 ай бұрын
@@firstlast9846 he’s only made 4 in the last decade. And cry harder
@bullylowenthal268310 ай бұрын
@firstlast9846 Decade he literally released his version of Justice League in 2021 that's not a decade. You guys will make anything up but can't pay attention
@SA1NT5310 ай бұрын
@@firstlast9846 Aww did he hurt your feelings?
@KeiNakagawa710 ай бұрын
Is it that time again when the haters come up from the ground to hate on Zack and take everything he says out of context and blow it out of proportion? Huh, they’re early this time. Usually, they come out on the anniversary of BvS (March 25th). Very punctual, I like that.
@owenlewis792810 ай бұрын
This guy knows the fucking anniversary of the film debut😂😂 AND felt the need to tell us😭😭
@KeiNakagawa710 ай бұрын
@@owenlewis7928I like to get dates right for posterity. 😂
@SalveASMR10 ай бұрын
It's actually so funny that Batman V Superman is still discussed to this day, while Avengers: Endgame on the other hand was only relevant for a year.
@firstlast984610 ай бұрын
@natereacts312 - people are only talking about how bad it is.. and it was only brought up cos Zack can’t let go
@미안2210 ай бұрын
This is next level yapping
@kicknowledgesmith860810 ай бұрын
No one is talking about it because it was a great film, it's full of controversy and the director won't stop talking about it, making people talk about it. You are entitled to your opinion, but trying to claim BVS is better than Avengers is not a factual statement and puts you in the minority. Infinity War mops the floor with BVS, so does the first Avengers movie and Civil War. Endgame wasn't that great in my opinion, but it tripled BVS box office.
@Comicbroe40510 ай бұрын
I really love BvS but your comment is a cope. The film is always talked about for it's controversial elements. Unlike Endgame nobody only focuses on the positive stuff.
@TheBlond4910 ай бұрын
Yes, because how BAD BvS is.
@CollegeDroputPowerpoints10 ай бұрын
The only thing I worry about with new critic channels is that theyll take all the drama from back then and mark it as facts.
@anonisnoone612510 ай бұрын
I knew Snyder was gonna get so much flack for this the moment I saw this. And it seems like most of the internet is against him on this one.💀
@Naillwin776810 ай бұрын
That's because what he said was fucken stupid of course people are going to talk about it
@ExoticZah10 ай бұрын
@@Naillwin7768is he blind?
@Jonas-ej7id10 ай бұрын
Snyder : *Says the dumbest shit ever about an iconic character* SnyderBots : Omg looks so many triggered people haha
@magnusprime492810 ай бұрын
To be honest they’ve always been against him sadly
@averagebreadconsumer948910 ай бұрын
@@magnusprime4928He is stupid
@JustAFox479 ай бұрын
I listened to the full clip (not the full interview lol), and I feel like people missed the point and overreacted. Being told not to depict Batman in a situation where he may have to break his one rule and immediately wanting to do just that is comparable to anyone’s desire and interest in doing something after being told not to do it. Plus, he said something about it just being interesting for a character’s morals to become compromised and for them to have to deal with the consequences. If Batman broke his no kill rule, it forces him to change, and he has to live with his actions and grow from them. By refusing to ever put Batman in a situation like that, he is effectively not morally tested and doesn’t have to grow or change. Honestly I really think it’s done well in BVS Ultimate Edition. Batman is effectively a villain and doesn’t realize it. He brands criminals for death, he has a “new kind of mean,” and he’s much more violent because he has fought evil in Gotham for so long that it is in turn corrupting him. It’s not until he’s moments from killing Clark, and Clark tells him to save his mother, that Batman realizes just how far he has fallen from grace. He realizes in that moment that he was about to do to Clark’s mother, what that murderer in Crime Alley did to him when he was a kid. Now, I do think that Batman destroying cars that Lex’s goons are in and continuing to be violent went saving Martha does kinda muddy this theme/idea, but otherwise I think that it’s okay how it was handled in the film.
@Darkseidsolosfiction10 ай бұрын
As a Snyder fan I'm totally exhausted. They can keep hating I don't care anymore
@sunsetman2210 ай бұрын
it's expected at this point.
@TheMaskedWarrior9210 ай бұрын
@@sunsetman22considering DC is officially throwing shit at the wall, WB practically bankrupt and the reboot-that-isn’t-a-reboot is pretty much dead on arrival, they have nothing to discuss except dig up all over again the same exhausting discourse.
@Jonas-ej7id10 ай бұрын
Yeah. It's never Zack's fault. Rebel Mid being a horrible movie isn't his fault either.
@TheMaskedWarrior9210 ай бұрын
@@Jonas-ej7id i imagine you are one of those people that believe James Gunn party is fake
@Kageofyoutube10 ай бұрын
1 thing I’ve learnt is that it doesn’t matter wat Snyder says even it’ll it’s something good ppl r still gonna twist it into something negative.so sad
@AlmightyDoge66510 ай бұрын
Damn. Is it 2016 again?
@Groggle714110 ай бұрын
Didn’t you make multiple videos about Snyder's DCEU?
@creed87129 ай бұрын
I still have yet to find a Snyder fan that can explain to me why Batman needs to kill the same way Superman needed to snap zods neck. Neither coming up in later films is very much a problem
@tjsupes976810 ай бұрын
Zack-states he made Batman kill to make people who worship him uncomfortable about treating this dark figure as a role model "HOW FUCKING DARE YOU THAT MADE US VERY UNCOMFORTABLE"
@Comicbroe40510 ай бұрын
I don't see anything wrong with seeing Batman as a role model. Superheroes are supposed to be like that.
@미안2210 ай бұрын
Most batman comics are uncomfortable without ruining the character itself ..
@미안2210 ай бұрын
It's like making spiderman kill and humorless for the sake of edgy only...
@thecod234510 ай бұрын
That’s already a very simplistic mindset. Batman was a role mode in terms of ingenuity and perseverance. But as a person, he’s always been someone who is perpetually obsessed and fucked up. He tries his best but the no killing rule is explicitly there because explicitly, if he allowed himself to sink to that low, he’s not sure if he could stop himself from doing it again and again. Zack hyper focusing on the no kill rule as something unrealistic is him completely missing the point. The greatest thing Batman did was create a family that (for the most part) inherited much of his skills without the crippling trauma and inability to deal with it in a healthy way.
@firstlast984610 ай бұрын
There are plenty of ways to do that without making him a murderer.
@21stcenturycacotaco9210 ай бұрын
It still pisses me off how people say how Snyders heroes are not "comic accurate". Thats the point of these movies, to show growth of these characters on HOW they turned into the way they are. Otherwise it would be boring to see batman be the same over and over again.
@armyofuno819610 ай бұрын
People don't want character development unfortunately.
@ExoticZah10 ай бұрын
You are both wrong. The characters in the comics show tons of growth with and without killing. Zack Snyder just doesn’t understand the characters and tried doing his own thing. Which backfired and it’s the reason why Marvel movies became more popular. As a DC fan, it hurts me to see our movies fail on theaters.
@21stcenturycacotaco9210 ай бұрын
@@ExoticZah I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree. Snyder may misunderstand some of his characters but he added mlre layers to them by not making them the hero they are from the beginning. Marvel is more popular because of their sense of direction they had from the beginning while DC tried to rush out as many movies as possible. A flawed marvel character that shows how they don't even understand their own character is the hulk. A character dumbed down and who lost its essence. And DC still makes some decent movies time to time. Its only due to hype or bad promotion. The suicide squad and blue beetle are good examples.
@boboboy818910 ай бұрын
@@ExoticZahmajority of marvel films fans is not marvel fans. Do i need to pointed out that thor ragnarok is the worst thor movie ever if you are fans of thor, Iron Man 2 is the most bland superhero movie right after captain marvel. Marvel changed every character since phase 3 and looks how success it became because most of People didnt read comic. This is different from DC where DC fans Will boycott if dc doesn't follow comic
@ExoticZah10 ай бұрын
@@21stcenturycacotaco92 There are multiple comics that still achieve the same thing you are talking about. I will disagree with you twice because I’m a hardcore DC fan. They rushed their movies without doing enough research because they were jealous of Marvel success. Lex Luther was butchered by Zack Snyder and that’s just one major villain character. Doomsday was corny. Stephen Wolf. I could literally keep going but you should get the point. Heck even the Flash movie with Ezra was god awful. Why are you defending mid movies? Did you grow up watching/reading DC comics or are you just an average movie fan?
@somgroyper10 ай бұрын
They got their Pattybat and that wasn’t enough for them lol! Batfleck will ALWAYS reign supreme!!!
@latviandragon271810 ай бұрын
have to listen to the podcast?
@equinox703810 ай бұрын
DC with Snyderverse:🗿 DC after Snyderverse:🤡 Levels
@The_MEMEphis10 ай бұрын
It's always been 🤡
@Comicbroe40510 ай бұрын
Real. I'm hoping Gunn fixes this shit.
@blacksuit77910 ай бұрын
@@Comicbroe405 Gunn is a 🤡. Superman 2025 Logo 🚫 😆😅🤣😂
@Comicbroe40510 ай бұрын
@@blacksuit779Grow up man.
@blacksuit77910 ай бұрын
@@Comicbroe405 👉👌Gunn's Superman Logo 🚫 😆😅🤣😂
@thematiasmadness701010 ай бұрын
At this point I no longer care
@hallofsilence899210 ай бұрын
I just can't at this point I think Zack definitely taken away their girlfriend that's why these Mf are tape reacoder on loop
@gos_70710 ай бұрын
Can wait for your next video ❤ John Wick and Pacific Rim?!?!? LET GO
@filmpalace242610 ай бұрын
Damn I just remembered why I deleted twitter
@JoeHeart-l7x10 ай бұрын
Hope we're at it's climax and no more haters just pure appreciation and everyone agreeing there classics I hope no one bringing this up in 2049 or or when the MCU and dcu end cause it's so boring
@HusKrWolf10 ай бұрын
some people have too much time hating in the internet ngl
@XxVendetaxX110 ай бұрын
Nothing but facts from you bro
@tootriggered80210 ай бұрын
Zack Snyder is a clown. He will never compare to the greatest director of all time Uwe Boll
@armyofuno819610 ай бұрын
or the GOAT joss whedon 😤👌
@jonathansalgado636810 ай бұрын
oh god lmao i need to watch uwe boll movies while drunk soon
@magnusprime492810 ай бұрын
Hopefully your joking
@KeiNakagawa710 ай бұрын
@@magnusprime4928They hate Zack. They aren’t joking.
@maylabrown45849 ай бұрын
It was garbage then and it's garbage now, the DCEU was rushed and it died a young death cause of it.
@lolcage263910 ай бұрын
Good movies never die
@blacksuit77910 ай бұрын
Ben Affleck is Batman.
@kicknowledgesmith860810 ай бұрын
How? He never had his own film. Keaton is Batman.
@armyofuno819610 ай бұрын
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 interesting, people usually say the opposite.
@blacksuit77910 ай бұрын
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 Keaton's Batman is Trash.
@armyofuno819610 ай бұрын
@@blacksuit779 gotta disagree personally, without him we wouldn't have the much darker Batman on film we know today.
@kicknowledgesmith860810 ай бұрын
@@blacksuit779 Yea ok buddy, Affleck Batman had 1 fight scene in a warehouse, and he's called the best? lol
@TheBlond4910 ай бұрын
Snyder's fault, he had to bring it up, shame he made BvS trash.
@armyofuno819610 ай бұрын
I mean he's being interviewed about his movies, what do you expect him to talk about, taxes?
@Jonas-ej7id10 ай бұрын
Snyder is still THIS ignorant about Batman a decade later. Thank goodness snyder is far away from DC now. Good luck to him with his bootleg star wars on Netflix.
@Darkseidsolosfiction10 ай бұрын
You just Proved his point
@Jonas-ej7id10 ай бұрын
@@Darkseidsolosfiction Rebel moon also proved how shit snyder is at making a good movie with a coherent story.
@idawg733210 ай бұрын
Yeah now we get james gunn and all his toilet humor and sexual fetish jokes so much better...
@rudyhernandez712810 ай бұрын
Yeah and look at DC now lol. As for rebel moon... it's half of his story, part 2 comes out later. Not only that but apparently Netflix decided to cut is movie down and a director cut will be released later. Idk why Netflix decided to do that but even this pg 13 version isn't bad.
@Jonas-ej7id10 ай бұрын
@@idawg7332 Yea, I'll admit Jonathan's death in MOS and Martha scene in BvS was way funnier than any joke in a James Gunn movie.
@toch041810 ай бұрын
As someone who doesn't actually mind Batman killing in the movie for various reasons (and who is not gonna cry about it or call the movie bad just because of the killing), I'm actually tired of all these recent statements.. He is not making it easy for himself here
@jonathansalgado636810 ай бұрын
that too lmao
@boboboy818910 ай бұрын
Snyder got autism, so its Hard to explain what he thinking using his mouth. Haters doesn't know this. People Who are fans of him knew he want the dark knight inspired batman Who kills and having character growth to a batman Who never kills. Simole as that
@arman_102410 ай бұрын
Oh boy, the remnants of the Snyder cult aren’t doing to well these days.
@Astartes-696910 ай бұрын
You Snyder Fans are still huffing that Copium? Your picking a fight with the entire Batman Fanbase. Good luck with that.
@미안2210 ай бұрын
Seriously tho 😂😂
@armyofuno819610 ай бұрын
Once people start having the same amount of hate for Michael Keaton's killer batman & tim Burton, then they'll be justified in hating snyder, but for now most people are just biased.
@christar1ful30110 ай бұрын
Picking a fight a million toddlers
@Astartes-696910 ай бұрын
@@christar1ful301 That's rich coming from a Snyder Fan. You all bitched and whined coping that Rebel Moon was better then Oppenheimer & Barbie.
@christar1ful30110 ай бұрын
@@Astartes-6969 I've not even seen rebel moon or barbie kid you're yapping about random shit. Stop sniffing batman's jockstrap it's affecting your brain
@Naillwin776810 ай бұрын
If you actually agree with Snyder on this take you are not a DC fan you just a Snyder fan batman should never kill the only reason he should kill is in Elseworlds Snyder is an idiot for his take
@armyofuno819610 ай бұрын
Bro thinks he's the gatekeeper of DC
@Naillwin776810 ай бұрын
@@armyofuno8196 I'm not gatekeeping DC but if you honestly think that what Snyder he was correct than you are not a DC fan he'll your not even a Batman fan you are just a Snyder fan
@idawg733210 ай бұрын
@@Naillwin7768 You must really hate the original batman comics, the michael keaton batman movies, the dark knight trilogy, and batman forever then? You know since batman killed in all of those? Snyder hates aren't filthy hypocrites right?
@Naillwin776810 ай бұрын
@@idawg7332 my problem isn't batman killing my problem is What Zack Snyder that the reason he did it is because people told him not to which is extremely stupid thing to do and makes him seems like a child
@rudyhernandez712810 ай бұрын
He literally kills in almost every movie... wtf you on? You just turn a blind eye for anyone who isn't name snyder. And him not killing in his 20 + years of crime fighting is not realistic
@lukelaps929810 ай бұрын
😐😑😐
@officialzaccox26710 ай бұрын
As much as I like the Snyder cut, i gotta say that it is unbelievably overrated
@boboboy818910 ай бұрын
Its not overated because that movie is what dc fans want, minus the hymm everytime Diana appears lol😅
@har581410 ай бұрын
Not even as overrated as Barbie or Oppenheimer lol
@blacksuit77910 ай бұрын
Superman 2025 New Logo 🚫 Ääähhhhh. 😆😅🤣😂
@blacksuit77910 ай бұрын
Man of Steel BvS Ultimate Edition and Zack Snyder's Justice League 😘❤