WE’RE STILL TRYING TO FIND OUT HOW GOOD KINNAN IS IN cEDH! GAME 2 with BOSHNROLL - GAMEPLAY

This week we're back for Game 2 of our match with Brian Coval. Technically this is actually the third game we played, so if you want to see the real game 2, let us know.
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[@kstandish42]

Imma need to see the whole uncut version of Brian dumpstering you all as a chill to win, I’ve seen Brian play on streams and his banter and table talk is very well suited to a chill to win episode for sure.

[@Egovinco98]

Oooo, yes please

[@Zaakar]

Seconded!

[@swat6591]

Tyler must have been very happy about giving a deck tech on Kinnan and then showing the power of the deck right after.

[@ghost64626]

As a fellow Kinnan player, this made me very happy and proud lol

[@Flip4Crypt]

That was a perfect example as to why Kinnan is so powerful and so consistent That start was incredible and you can really only go up from there with kinnan Great shit guys! Loving the Kinnan content being dropped!

[@LegacyTangent]

Eh, as Tyler pointed out, he drew the Seedborn muse the very turn it was needed, and that's what won him the game. Without that 1 in approximately 91 chance, he might have just sputtered and struggled that game. So to me this seems as a perfect example of why Kinnan is NOT consistent.

[@Flip4Crypt]

@@LegacyTangent that's not wrong, but theoretically whatever else he drew would have also fed into the strategy and wouldn't have been an entirely dead draw Now in that hypothetical, we'll never know what is drawn instead But Kinnan regularly has tons of consistency and when it comes to the specific strategies you want to attain with him he's got tons of similar cards in there to help out- where there aren't other Seedborn muses, I don't think he wouldn't been dead in the water with how much mana he had already at that point

[@poseyrick8510]

Had a great time playing with Cam in Philly. Thanks for giving back my Gilded Drake, btw :3

[@CamToWin]

Thanks for reminding me haha

[@ethanstates884]

Great game fellas. Really glad that you sequenced this video to coincide with the Kinnan deck tech you did earlier in the week. Makes me want to build the Kinnan deck now.

[@pe3der]

DO IT

[@ethanstates884]

@@pe3der lol if I do it’ll be about 10-20% proxies.

[@Its-Lulu]

That was fantastic piloting from Tyler today!

[@StackedEDH]

That Kinnan curve was nuts.

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Couldn’t have drawn it up better myself

[@papaburgundy20]

How did he activate the Mox without 3 artifacts?

[@GamerdevilPro]

​@@papaburgundy20 first land for turn was a seat of the synod (blue artifact land) so he had metalcraft online since turn one

[@StackedEDH]

@@papaburgundy20 Seat of the Synod is an artifact.

[@tylercraig5633]

EE the Sphinx into Hullbreaker Horror had me so hyped!! Well done Tyler!!

[@chasehannusch8259]

My first time playing Kinnan ever I went infinite on turn 2 with basalt and treasure vault. Absolutely nutty how fast it can happen when it's unchecked. It's great in longer games, but still has early game potential with the right hand.

[@juice17776]

When everyone realized the only interaction they had was used the turn before a Kinnan/Seeborn Muse…. That must’ve been heartbreaking.

[@TheTinmanstudios]

I have a Kinnan player in my group, and I learn so much about his deck from this channel.

[@coltonjudge7823]

Just finished my kinnan cedh and it’s made very happy so far 👍🏾

[@murrowmench1565]

It was great to play against Dylan and have you both sign my Braids, Arisen Nightmares! I need a rematch with Tymna Kodama … when it’s Thalrog (Thalia and The Gitrog Monster). You guys were all chill as hell and Tyler was hysterical for the two seconds he talked to me - great time all around at MagicCon!

[@BiCuriousGeorge1]

Bosh is the reason I am into legacy and cedh at all, so it’s great seeing him here!

[@iPhoneeditor]

Kinnan has found its way into my Verzol, the Swift Current casual deck since your podcast episode and it has been an amazing addition. It really ramps the deck and helps me dig for some really cool creatures when I'm threatening to flood out. It's an amazing card and super versatile! I'm liking it more and more.

[@exsnypre]

Looks like the next Play to Win token should be a Tyler headed Koma's Coil, or even better, a Tyler headed Koma's Coil python crushing Cam and/or Dylan.

[@pe3der]

Cam I swear I did not pay this person to say that but yessssssss

[@frankdetank9126]

I want the third Bosh game! Thanks for being awesome per usual! Have you considered making a best enchantress deck in cEDH video?

[@fnx.M]

If I learned one thing from this comment section it's that if you have a question about an interaction, or something happens in the video that you think shouldn't work, you should probably scroll through the comment section before asking the question ^^

[@mthlay15]

The-the-the bruise on your head, I know how that happened. You told me the whole story. You were standing on your toilet and you were hanging a clock, and you fell and you hit your head on the sink. And that's when you came up with the idea for the flux capacitor..... ... which is what makes time travel possible.

[@careypagem]

I want all content in the main feed. Tanks bruhs

[@eboling2008]

My buddy played some games with yall at magiccon philly and got a post Malone krrik signed by y'all and I was so damned excited.

[@briceaxner5599]

Watched this on Patreon so I came over to like it here also 🤟

[@damo9961]

You should Brew Thalrog. I've been seeing lots of Hulk lists, but mine is creature stax (that I can sac with Thalrog) and Chain of smog + Witherbloom Apprentice and Raz

[@MageSkeleton]

you could argue Thrasios/Tymna has to actually "build the boardstate" though still slapping lands on field for free. Kenrith the returned king and kinnon are the only two commander options right now where "your turn is their turn" and Kenrith even moreso because of the extra ways he can interact and protect stuff that kinnon can't. it really becomes "blow up the seedborne muse or lose" and i love watching someone be like "i'm gonna do this, cast this, triggers this, do this, win" like at a certain point, i'd rather watch someone throw down a Lotus Petal, a chrome mox with a blue or black non artifact card, and either a swamp or island, cast demonic consultation, then cast thassa's oracle than watch a kinnon or kenrith player win the game. and OMG i hate coming across those commanders in a tournament because i end up being the only one who knows we're just watching the kinnon/kenrith player win. i feel like the only commander option that can compete with that is Godo. That would be an interesting game episode, Thrasios/Tymna, Kenrith the returned king, kinnon, and godo. Could argue Gretchen Titchwillow is in the same catagory so maybe her instead of Godo.

[@fevereddreams3805]

i love that kinnan totally kinnan'ed right after his interview . . .

[@GodammitNappa]

The first thing I said to myself when Tyler took his first turn is "Dylan is gonna go for winota and get swept and Tyler is gonna run away with mana". I know its the bad play because its a 1 to 1 trade but using the goblin to blow up Tylers sol ring before he got to use it seeing that all he needed was a land to play and activate kinnan, definitely a risk reward situation.

[@altered_beast_of_burden]

Sick victory! Where can I listen to the podcast with Tyler talking about the deck?

[@CharlotteMimic]

I would LOVE to see the third game with Brian on the main channel

[@TripsAhoy]

Good game. Kinnan still does its thing! Yes main channel please I'd love to see that game.

[@egoish6762]

Would like to see Bosh doing what he does, but it's a great example of how pods can still turn out even for top players with t1 decks.

[@alicesampaio8108]

i would love to see the third video!!

[@marquezFTW]

I'd love to see that video on the main channel :)

[@josephharty5048]

Listening to the podcast before watching this made this episode awesome

[@manhattanblockade8544]

Consecrated Sphinx jump scare 6:04

[@arthurgolia7252]

I know you may not see this comment but I was wondering if there any new Momo Color cedh gameplays? Like K’rrik, Son of Yawgmoth for Black, Godo, Bandit Warlord for Red, Selvala, Heart of the Wilds for Green, Naru Meha, Master Wizard for Blue and Ao, the Dawn Sky for White

[@kovala]

Super cool seeing BoshNRoll on this!

[@mirthoutofmire]

seeing kinnan go off makes me so happy, kinnan is my pet deck (first cedh deck its my baby)

[@sylorknag]

The problem with Winota. Ppl see a single non-human on the board and Winota and go "omg we're losing next turn, let's get rid of it"... Despite having 0 stax or any kid of board for that matter. IMO, that vapor was really "premature, precocious"? I'm sorry, not a native speaker. Point is, he could have held onto that Vapor at least 1 more turn cycle.

[@bensteinhauser784]

Would love to see the last game on the main channel!

[@marlonlam6959]

You’re a wizard, Dylan. Fucking love y’all ❤

[@wshaver]

I really thought you were going to bust out the spice girls there at the end. So I'll tell you what I want. Put the videos right here so I can watch them. As always, love your content.

[@wirakirros7281]

What a shame that the Chain of Vapor was used on Cratermaker instead of Seedborn that came down afterwards.

[@carettcake8752]

It’s so funny how this comes out after the podcast episode on kinnen😂

[@thomasnoonan2039]

I vote Bosh rolling you on the main channel!

[@TheMattallen]

Great game. Also, a great example of 'just because you can, doesn't mean you should." I am not sure the one Winota trigger was worth the card at that moment, especially with Kinnan about to untap with a ton of mana.

[@jealousagain783]

More Brian pls and thx

[@MindLaboratory]

Last game I played I had Leyline of Anticipation and Wilderness Reclamation at the same time. Would have had a flawless victory if the table didn't scoop.

[@shade0mirth]

I like that the altered Kinnan is Prince Ashitaka.

[@mattgregory6271]

Am I wrong did Tyler not have metalcraft when he cast the seedborn

[@Snamify]

Cam is there a particular reason you switched from Jeska / Ishai Jeskai to Bruse / Thrasios? Or just deck fatigue?

[@LookAtThatBrick]

If you control 2 Seedborns, when the trigger to untap happens can you tap your mana and then let the second trigger to untap your permanents resolve

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Nope that’s not correct. Seedborns ability is not a trigger. If you have two Seedborns it’ll just untap your stuff once

[@LookAtThatBrick]

@@PlaytoWinMTG okay cool, it’d be a lot cooler if that’s how it worked tho 👀👀 haha

[@toctheyounger]

That was stupidly oppressive. I'm keen for more Kinnan just for the chance to see perplexing chimera.

[@rowanespeverda4120]

How did Tyler cast Seedborn muse on turn 2 mox opal should’ve been able to tap for mana since he only had 2 artifacts in play. Or am I tripping?

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

His turn 1 land is a Seat of the Synod, an artifact land, so Opal is turned on

[@rowanespeverda4120]

@@PlaytoWinMTG oh snap thanks I was confused

[@wesg3138]

Would love to see game 2 on the main please

[@kairucamp]

My kinnan isn't cedh but wow I'm happy

[@squalami2]

Question: since there were two seedborn muses on the board couldn’t he activate Kennan twice holding priority between seedborn muse triggers?

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Nope, they’re not triggers

[@bottlecaps14]

Would the seedborn muse triggers stack? So could Tyler have doubled the effects by activating Kinnan between the triggers?

[@fnx.M]

Triggered abilities are formulated as "At..", "When.." or "Whenever..". Seedborn Muse doesn't have that - it has a static ability instead, that is "simply true". What you're describing would work with Wilderness Reclamation, though.

[@themythicaldragonslayer_8388]

Question, when there was 2 seedborn Muse why didn't he activate kinnin an Additional time? he gets 2 seedborn muse triggers on the stack

[@markushitruhin9506]

Seedborn muse does not use the stack since it's actually not a triggered ability

[@marvinmuller4003]

Doesn't the Metamorph copy of the Muse put another untap trigger on the stack?

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Nope. Seedborns ability isn’t a trigger

[@ryandavidson3610]

Am I missing something or turn two when Tyler cast seedborn muse how was Mox opal able to produce mana

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Seat of the synod!

[@paulmcclain642]

Here’s a dumb question but I’m going to ask it anyway. How does Seedborn’s untap ability work? Does it go on the stack or is it a state based action? Because for a second I was thinking with 2 Seedborn you could tap all your lands, activate Kinnan and then untap again but that’s clearly not the case

[@thekilla1234]

Triggered abilities always use the words "whenever", "when" and "at", so it's not a triggered ability. It is a static ability that essentially gives you an untap step during other player's turns.

[@shaunbarber2325]

2:53 he couldn't have cast Seedborn, he doesn't have Metalcraft

[@thekilla1234]

Seat of the Synod is an artifact.

[@michaelmeyers4278]

Couldn't Tyler have been activating Kinnan 2 times per turn with the double seed born muse? Since 2 triggers to untap hit the stack, couldn't he tap and activate in-between each seed born muse?

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Seedborns ability is not a triggered ability, so it does not stack. And you also can’t activate abilities or cast spells in the untap step

[@kaikealoha8021]

so i have one question does u tapping your permanents with seedborn muse go on the stack because if so i think tyler could have had two kinan activations in the early turns with the metamorph giving 2 untaps

[@wesjaguar]

No, it doesnt.

[@Jugglerman]

Would love to see Brian dumpster you guys on main channel 😊

[@kylarcheng1346]

This game felt like a kinnan's player wet dream

[@Kallastin]

Wait, question. Since Tyler copied the seed born muse with the phyrexian metamorph, couldn't he use Kinnan once then let the other seedborn muse trigger go off? Untapping again? Or does that not work how I'm thinking?

[@therealax6]

No, because it's not a trigger. Seedborn Muse says "Untap all permanents you control during each other player's untap step.". (That's not a trigger: triggers begin wiith "when", "whenever" or "at".) It just happens and it doesn't use the stack.

[@Kallastin]

@therealax6 gotcha. Thank you! Magic can be very complicated alot of the times. Still wondering why he didn't copy the Winota or even more mana to dump into kinnan at that moment.

[@pe3der]

​@@Kallastinsimply having seedborn down mean I was generating inevitability very quickly. Copying other things might have gotten me there a smidge faster, but having a backup seedborn made it so that a swords or solitude or pongify or drake wasn't going to stop me from activating every turn. In short - the more conservative play, but I stand by it

[@Kallastin]

@@pe3der omg. Thank you for explaining that Tyler! If one was taken out of the picture. Backup is a gold option.

[@undird210]

As a Winota player whose never played against Kinnan, Kinnan scares me lol

[@bruhyoufarted3689]

Next challenge video should be pauper cedh

[@DyPie527]

Tell me what you want. Tell me! Tell me what you want! TELL ME! Watching this drunk is certainly interesting.

[@grimoryleng]

Kinnan is crazy!

[@longjohns6600]

Doesn’t he get 2 kinnan triggers each turn since he has two seedborns?

[@IamTheHashbrowns]

With two seaborns can you stack the triggers and activate twice per round?

[@therealax6]

No, because they aren't triggers. Seedborn Muse says "Untap all permanents you control during each other player's untap step.". (That's not a trigger: triggers begin wiith "when", "whenever" or "at".) It just happens and it doesn't use the stack.

[@veldin4108]

Is seedborn muse a trigger? If you have 2 seedborn muses can you respond to your 2nd untap by activating kinnan?

[@thekilla1234]

It is not a trigger, it is a static ability. Triggers always use the words "whenever", "when" or "at".

[@darbymckilkannoncaid3279]

this was sick

[@mitrioneworld]

The He/Him Squad

[@philiprubin2431]

With two seedborne muse would they both trigger diring untap? Like you could you untap activate kinnan then untap again

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Nope

[@jewpcabra666]

please post the Bosh video here!!

[@jamallynch1218]

We wanna see the other match

[@douglatins]

People are now way to scared of winota, it's one damn trigger. It won't win the match. Chain is for wincons and stax pieces. Or for the god damn seed born muse that came right after. Jeez

[@alanschellenberger9356]

that was a risky move for sure, but in his mind he was probably delaying Magus of the Moon for about 2 turns.

[@freya002YT]

I’d love to see Bosh win

[@yesno-xf5ie]

Day 1: Could you try a teysa orzhov scion deck?

[@emanueltalavera4175]

As a fellow Winota player this game frustrated me 😢

[@immolazione]

WHERE IS TASIGUR EMERGENCE ZONE?

[@music00soba]

BOSH PACK SMOKE EM IF YOU GOT EM

[@Oursacredwar]

is bolt bend not good enough for winota?

[@allenamatuccio463]

You ok dylan? Just wondering, kinda looks likes you fought Voldemort.

[@markusmunklinde8336]

Well you beat kinnan by ignoring one Winota attack :) chain of vapor on that seedborne and this game would have been totally different

[@subcutanea]

Does seedborn muse stack? Could you put the triggers on the stack to get 2 kinnan activations each turn?

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

It does not stack it’s not a trigger

[@subcutanea]

@@PlaytoWinMTG pity ...

[@DyPie527]

Wait I thought it was Impossible to hold priority at the beginning of combat before attackers without any triggers hapenning. I always thought it was either pre combat or after attacks, so dealing with attack triggers pre combat would come with the risk of them coming back. Wtf.

[@thekilla1234]

There isn't priority holding happening, there is a "Beginning of Combat" step during the combat phase which gives everyone a round of priority before the "Declare Attackers" step.

[@jays1de]

main channel

[@Александр-й2ф2с]

How kinan player activated mox opal on turn 2,3? he had only 2 artifacts

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Seat of the synod is an artifact

[@mikaleykaruna3930]

Does anyone know the song that starts around 7:30?

[@MOBYDICK2121]

M O R E B O S H

[@TheGirthiestSausage]

This is what happens when you mess with the Winota player she’s out here to protect you 😤

[@official_uhu]

I want to see the video so bad!!!

[@stormtrooperjeepjk]

In friggin sane....

[@marcelodecarvalho6030]

Post them!

[@ingolf82]

maybe Kinnan is actually good. I wonder how fast it is without grim monolith and mox diamond and gaea's cradle though, not paying 300-500 $ for a card. the rest of the cards are very reasonable