We replace tires with springs - are they better off-road?

[@davidmiletic6647]

I work with springs professionaly every day, so here is a pro tip: when welding the springs onto the rim, you should have put the finished product in the oven of 260°C for 60 minutes, for relaxation to take place. Meaning the internal stress forces would be relaxed, so even if you had then removed the springs from the rim, the springs would have kept the bent shape, and would not spring back into being straight. Also, the steel strip should have been welded on the inside of the spring (if structual solidity is your concern, otherwise there is no need to use the strip anyway). Keep up the good work, salute from Slovenia!

[@Domestic_Tedster]

There always has to be the one professional 🫥

[@aleks5405]

@@Domestic_Tedster Well without it that contraption could spring itself through the vehicle straight to your throat. It's a fair point.

[@astrayamatu]

@@aleks5405 what's next a meteorite hitting you in the eye falling from space

[@davidmiletic6647]

@@Domestic_Tedster yes, and you should be thankful for it, I sure am.

[@MrTruckerf]

@@davidmiletic6647 Haha! Yes!

[@erikhadinger7655]

Should have put the strips on the inside of the Spring. Would have served the same purpose and let for greater attraction

[@vladimus9749]

This

[@juanziegler1471]

yep

[@samblacklock9593]

This right here

[@drw4338]

For sure

[@GeoBot_Gaming]

Was about to say the same thing.

[@ATruckCampbell]

I believe the 4WD system on that wagon is hampering the tire test, put those on a trusty Lada and they will do fine I bet.

[@TheYamaha37]

Nope they won't. The flat welded "safety strap" is what is causing all the traction issues.

[@dgreco1374]

@@TheYamaha37that and traction control is getting in the way

[@martinsv9183]

There is no better system than on the G-class. 3 mechanical lockers. The regular traction control system turns off when you engage them. There is nothing more you can do.

[@ATruckCampbell]

@@TheYamaha37 Even with the flaps gone they are not doing well.

[@ATruckCampbell]

@@martinsv9183 There is, put them on another car with normal manual lockers. Whatever system it has that you are talking about is not working here.

[@0wl999]

" The air's not leaking out. " 😂😂😂

[@andreasaunders197]

When car tires lose traction, the vehicle slides sideways, that's why rear wheel drive cars fishtail. Off road capability on soft surfaces is all about flotation, once the car is down on the bellypan, you're done driving. So springs are a lose-lose replacement for tires. Some things are better to watch others try out, that's why Garage 54 is world famous!

[@dwaneanderson8039]

It's even worse than that. The spring coils provide no side to side traction. They will act like skis which enable it to slide sideways extra easily. Moreover, the coils are always going to be angled to one side, so they will tend to push the vehicle diagonally rather than straight ahead when power is applied.

[@MrLarsgren]

since you use dual springs you could just use a ring of rebar in the middle as reinforcement.

[@simonallan9941]

Yes and it could have sat between the springs and not even have to slip on the road surface

[@moonlander03]

I think he woulda gotten away using a chain with spikes in the middle 😂😂😂😂👍👍

[@delpsdayoff3372]

This was my suggestion too, even after they cut the bands off.. they left a bunch of flat area band behind.

[@wowfubar]

Whey welded a flat strip of steal right in the contact patch. The fudge.

[@maszkalman3676]

They followed as it was on that picture it's not their idea that's why....

[@Schoolofmonkey]

Yeah should of been put inside the springs,.

[@HDXFH]

Steel not steal

[@anchopanchorancho]

Did you keep watching? They cut them next.

[@cdom502]

​@@anchopanchoranchono way, I stopped watching as soon as my comment was posted. They should know better to not put the ring on the outside.

[@jacobharryman822]

You guys have so much fun! Reminds me of me and my friends messing with cars here in the States. Some things are universal.

[@miken7629]

If you look at the tires used on moon rover used in the Apollo program, those tires were made of piano wire not so different from your springs just your springs are more heavy duty while moon rover used many more lighter piano wires woven to become springs.

[@johnjelinek-g7b]

"chop some ice", asphalt, concrete etc. . HAHAHAHA You'll leave an everlasting impression on the alley . lol

[@fredashay]

By putting those strips on the outside of the springs, you're basically driving on very narrow bald tires.

[@billwilliams1369]

You should have used chain as a safety measure instead of the metal strips.

[@SteveMacdaddy]

As someone that's lived in Montana for 30 years. My go to is always studded tires. A new set of tires with some short mechanical screws in a couple rows would do better. Love the videos guys.

[@Cyores]

These are their best videos with this crazy ideas.

[@rayceeya8659]

They're having a lot of fun with that G-Wagon in these videos.

[@volvo09]

When are they going to pour milk in the engine 😂

[@Colorado_Native]

Lets name it the G54-Wagen.

[@jwalster9412]

When are they going to put the engine in a lada, and make a DIY, half thrown together and most importantly, 107% AWD lada.

[@metalmafiachris]

You did not put the valve caps back on.

[@satsumagt5284]

I’m pretty sure it’s fine without air

[@adam7868]

The joke You

[@satsumagt5284]

@@adam7868 I fully understood the joke

[@ChanceSummer]

Haha. I love how these guys went from Lada’s to G wagons thanks to millions of views on YT. You guys deserve it! Most interesting car experiments ever for the past 10 years. But I do like seeing the old junkers better than these Joe-Unobtainium cars.

[@Garage54ENG]

We've decided to give the Ladas a short break :)

[@THETuerre]

Probably bought at auction with a blown up motor, been my observation guys like that can make anything run.

[@billynomates920]

strips on the inside of the springs?

[@RByrne]

Yeah. Or even on the side, as it might be easier to weld. The way they did it kinda ruins the design IMO.

[@BlindDude]

Yeah. The sides

[@billynomates920]

@@RByrne 👍

[@biggestcomplainer]

Exactly totally F’d the concept

[@rossbrumby1957]

Being hard and inflexible, the springs either slip on harder surfaces or chop up and sink into softer surfaces. If the strips were wider but welded on the inside of the springs, it would not bury itself in the soft so bad. I think the other video of springs as tyres worked better as they had some give to them welded on radially in short sections.

[@LiveRubii]

These workers do a wonderful job every time! Very cool design, well done!

[@cevansinz]

Your craftsmen have become so skilled. Those, at the very least, are beautiful.

[@Hellsong89]

Pretty sure idea is to have wheel that has traction in really soft terrain and light vehicle like garden tractor or bike. Spring digs into soft ground and gives traction, hopefully not digging in and eventually there is rim to take the pressure if it digs and no inner tube to be punctured. On car, specially heave as g vagon it just digs in on ice and snow.

[@sarchlalaith8836]

The availability of surface is much less, with more coils {or straps on the outside} you will regain that lost surface area

[@paulvanderveen1986]

Ow man... that Gwagon has a lot off knocking going on @ the engine( piston slab?)

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

3:10 Work of art, should be in Museum of Modern Art.

[@MarkLoves2Fly]

Right Away I can see the strips needed to be mounted inside the springs. Mount them just inside the outer edge of the spring. You'll achieve the safety you were looking for, and the traction.

[@Calcifer0]

I think when bending the springs should use a high temperature torch like a oxyacetylene torch?

[@curtishill6490]

I think it would be better to put the strips along the inside than the outside. Thank you guys I'm a long time fan/sub and still love the channel!!!😁

[@johnmccallum9106]

Perhaps you could weld a set of snow chains to the outside of the springs for better traction? Smooth metal tends to slip on a hard surface. Something to block intrusion inside the springs may also stop you digging in so you get the grip from the width of the spring metal without sinking in.

[@friskydingo5370]

Happy 420 everyone 😊

[@anchopanchorancho]

Boo, take your hippy drug day back to states where it belongs.

[@Rob-fc9wg]

Cheers mate 👍

[@bobbyduke777]

If the bands were on the sides, it might improve things keeping the wheels from sliding sideways, and grinding the springs to edges to push would help

[@shaneeslick]

G'day Garage54 & BMI, I know you guys up in the Northern Hemisphere have Summer Tyres for everyday & Winter Tyres for Snow/Ice... But this is the first time I have heard of Spring Tyres 😂

[@alexandruilie9895]

You should’ve weld the bar inside of the spring , that way you will get plenty grip , you’d you be nice to redo it?

[@J-RAD_notAnNpc]

The problem is the slippery steel piece you welded right on your contact points.. you could have welded them on the inside or heated the springs to relax them to the new shape. As soon as you put those on i knew it was gonna slip

[@ianstorey1521]

In my PhD study of suspension I was surprised that researchers were modelling tyres as pure springs (zero damping). I was sceptical at first but it is indeed the case (a very close approximation). To get some feeling for this, notice how mechanics will bounce tyres on concrete floors. Or look at dash cam videos where a tyre has come off on the road. They bounce around for ages. They have rotational energy, but they also bounce. The "tyres" in this video, however, don't have great traction. "Rubber" has a very high coefficient of friction. I was excited by tyres without a tube, but they don't seem to be practical?

[@bobbyduke777]

the flat straps that contact the ground, will keep it from moving in shallow snow or slush.

[@Improvisebydesign]

That's really Cool! I always look forward to what you will come up with next!

[@moonlander03]

This channel is very creative so I love it 👍👍👍👍

[@28andfun]

This design in mud would pull you deeper further you went like a beater on a mixer in mash potatoes would just fill up inside and get heavier an heavier right? I get it's for fun even on a dirt bike would become a slick or is it flying out a much as going in?

[@moneygooddude]

Put the metal straps on the inside of the coils? Put a cross pattern on the outside of the coils to get real grip in the snow and ice.

[@andylutube]

put tubes inside them to keep the snow out and prevent sinking, how you get the tubes in is up to you!

[@okramw1]

Interesting experiment & learning something 🤔

[@ExecuteBrandon]

Using G-wagon for this is a nice touch!

[@lesklower7281]

Apart from how good or bad the spring tyres performed l did like the red paint looked really good maybe some red stripes on the tyres would look really good

[@VaGab]

Poor G Wagon she deserve a better destiny! Cool experiment as always

[@zsombor_99]

Why didn't you guys tried these wheels on a Lada instead?! 🤨

[@pthrelkeld090]

I personally would have welded knobbs or small spikes on the outside of the rings, as I believe they are the inhibiting factor or a portion of it.

[@bobbyduke777]

I think the straps are needed to keep the springs together, but they are stopping all traction.

[@Ai_Toolshed]

The springs weren't getting any traction because of the flat strips that contact the ground first, next time just weld a piece of rebar in the valley inbetween the coils and allow the coils to act as grip

[@Wreck-Gar]

So if I need to chop ice into cubes for my Vodka, this is the way to go?

[@OleDirtyMacSanchez]

Try refining the design with Studs, that may help. I wouldn't use these on Paved Roads, they would just grind and create Sparks which could ignite Fuel. That would be a bad outcome.

[@markcole6475]

Interesting concept…..neat to watch. I would have put the reinforcement band on the inside of the spring instead of the outside.

[@nbagoats4819]

How did they possibly think this would be better than tires?

[@knobsdialsandbuttons]

The four sprung durch technik

[@jamesaustralian9829]

Vehicles have been around for over a century, constantly changed and upgraded with new tech and features. The wheel hasnt changed much, apart from size and width - telling you that the pneumatic tire on a rim concept, is proved above and beyond as the go to option that stands the test of time for good reason.

[@MelodicTurtleMetal]

They look badass

[@murrayjonasson]

Love the channel, Alberta Canada

[@friskydingo5370]

Best way to make ice cubes 😊

[@XAuroraM]

garage 54 upload, today is a good day!

[@theawesomer]

You need to test these in some mud and ruts.

[@josephdewuhan]

Put the metal stripes inside the coil springs, so that they strengthen the wheels but still allow them to dig into the road.

[@ovalwingnut]

Now you only need 'rubber' on the 3rd date. Very COoL. You guys keep up'ing your game. Cheers from So.Ca.USA 3rd House on the Left (but please call ahead before you show up). You RoCk!

[@Luzeon]

You got me back at wire spring tires. 😂

[@Luzeon]

I’m also thinking larger or more springs.

[@toms6193]

would be a good rototiller to turn the garden soil in the spring...

[@Mart77]

If somehow tyres could be stretched over these - then those wheels would be some bank-heist level indestructible things

[@jwalster9412]

Whay would happen if you did a burnout with these on bare pavement with no snow? What would win, steel or concrete?

[@explodingheavens]

They dont just dig into the ice, they also dig into the road itself 😂

[@antionedavid]

😎 good idea ☃️

[@AnthonySlavin]

The springs would go really well in the snow and would act as wheel chains but they would be crap and hazardous on a normal road lol. Certainly different.👌😅

[@whispro4646]

Another great video

[@Fieltrom]

Try tank tracks wrapped around the wheels. With the rubber in the tracks for tanks on roads. Can make a few tools with the track pins after your done.

[@dylanjamesryan9432]

Did that already

[@hunyesmith03]

Although the G class still looks awesome especially when in snow

[@oubliette862]

have you guys tried making a shock absorbing rim for an airless tire? or a tire stuffed with rags like mad max?

[@JoeBManco]

I wonder how these wheels would do on a lighter vehicle.

[@BlackPill-pu4vi]

Probably just as bad. The contact surfaces are too rigid. IN any case, a genuine Soviet Lada Niva would run circles around that G-wagon. Keep a picture of Leonid Brezhnev on the dashboard and it will never fail.

[@antonnym214]

The wheels slip because your point of contact with the surface are those slick strips you welded around the tire.

[@christmassnow3465]

I suggest you keep the strips on the outside, and fit a tire over the springs, instead of inflating it with air.

[@jacko377]

what would happen if you gave the springs a rubber winter tire skin?

[@Universal.G]

I have an amazing idea guys. Make a vehicle where the rear axle is bolted to a large A frame. Bolt the A frame to the ground. Apply remote controls to the vehicles and see how fast you can spin the vehicle round and round. I am sure it will be the only one of it's kind on youtube. Make it a three part video.

[@Aleks_Mechanics]

Notification squad Have a Great weekend!🔥🔥🔥

[@billynomates920]

don't know if its your thing but have you ever seen just rolled in?

[@Aleks_Mechanics]

@@billynomates920 yes, they are great!👌

[@guytech7310]

Garage 54: if you still have those. Do a another video but add some rubber tread around the outside. Perhaps take some old tires, and cut the tread off and put those spring wheels. Rubber trends will give it traction.

[@Monni95]

The springs were clearly too small... It was rubbing the oil pan... I would have added some 6 mm bolts or threaded rods for extra traction... To avoid getting the bolts or rods torn off, I would have drilled holes through the small metal strips left at the springs.

[@balrajbangar]

You should mix and shove some turf rubber inside so it perhaps gives grip and see what happens?

[@bp8652]

I see Russia finally has a lunar rover

[@dammdaniel9953]

Russia was the one to first send satalite to our orbit . Even to this day we use their shuttle to send people to ISS . The device you are using to write this is also communicating with the satalite so without them you would not have been able to do what you are doing dum bass

[@melanehme3661]

... and it didn't even have to be faked/made in a Hollyweird studio 😁

[@FarlesNCharge]

Love this channel

[@delpsdayoff3372]

That G wagon not have an accelerator pedal? Hit it! Damn it

[@AndyFromBeaverton]

No more flat tires. Genius!

[@moonlander03]

It will have traction on dirty only.. any hard surface will be too slippery is my guess.. good video though 👍👍👍👍

[@EvanMoon]

Add a layer of normal tire tread between the two flat metal pieces. It will add road traction and you can’t go flat.

[@AaronHaley-ve8om]

Soooo...What Is the PSI on yours...I keep My Spring Tires Aired down to Around 12 PSI...Get better traction...

[@nrakma]

Will these also work on modern flying cars?

[@davidjernigan8161]

If those pack full of snow until it's a block of ice it would make for some interesting handling.

[@greg407]

The reason it doesn’t do so well is because the tires are iron. Rubber wheels adjust to the surface and hugs the road where as iron is stiff and is like having marbles for wheels even with those spaces between

[@AnthonySlavin]

Thats why it's not gripping because of those 2 bands each side of the wheels lol. Bet it works way better now.

[@AnthonySlavin]

Would ride rough as guts too. No cushioning except for the shock absorbers lol.

[@tnickknight]

Cutting edge Slavic tech 🏆

[@milsgarage]

*Next video should be quarter mile drag times*

[@THETuerre]

Any possibility that the bike wheel in the garden was simply made as art???

[@novanut1964]

the strips should have been welded inside the springs, good video

[@8000RPM.]

should have heated the coils with a welding torch, until red hot, then bent the spring to fit the wheel.

[@nates.4552]

Idea: make something so that every wheel is a snowblower that propels snow out each side 4 wheels equals 4 snow blowers.