WE TRIED TO TRICK ANCESTRY DNA - James and Kiimmy - Professional Genealogist Reacts

[@JamesandKiimmy]

Great video so glad we found your channel & we will keep you posted on when we do Kimmys Mums results 😁

[@GeneaVlogger]

Thank you! I look forward to seeing her results!

[@jasoncowley4718]

Hi James upload your dna data file to morley y dna predictor, just google it. It should drill down your paternal Hobbs line and give you a close estimate of your Y haplogroup subclade. It's free too.

[@destyon9966]

@@GeneaVlogger Yo the Indian isn’t a trace result because he said his mom or something came from a gypsy traveler background and they came from India so it isn’t a trace result

[@jimmyheb]

@@destyon9966 I came here to say that, bu you beat me to it! 😃 It's true that he Romani people, also referred to depending on the sub-group as Roma, Sinti or Sindhi, or Kale are an Eurasian ethnic group, who live primarily in Europe. They originated in Indian subcontinent (source: wikipedia)

[@Cheetahgamer4]

Thanks for sharing. Always enjoy watching your videos....He mentioned his Auntie having French and German in her that wasn't picked up in his and then he was surprised that he had Scottish. I had the same thing happen as I am not aware of much, if any, Scottish in my tree. However, when you look more into the regions listed by Ancestry for Scottish you'll see that Brittany France is included in it. I know that this is where my Scottish results are mainly coming from based on my family tree and it's possibly the same for him.

[@ginabee]

Seriously do they think a company is going to go through all kinds of private-investigative work to research them personally and fabricate results for $50? LOL

[@sassytoonsball-ruck58]

self-serving fabricated ‘click bait’ for Soc Med “influencers” 🙄... also agree w-host; assumes that Ancestry lacks integrity & ethics & has no internal self controls to correct potential errors in submissions...

[@linusfotograf]

They come across as very dumb believing anyone would think this is how it works

[@MrJoey1971]

@@linusfotograf Ignorance and stupidity are two different qualities, they were ignorant how it works, though your message shows your stupidity.,

[@deborahgreen8408]

We had basic genetics in high school , they really need it. You could be African with a name Mary Smith

[@Biobele]

@@deborahgreen8408 you know what's funny? I think there are more Africans named Mary than there are Europeans named Mary. Almost all west African athletes have atleast one European or Arab name. John Obi Mikel, Victor Moses, Alex Iwobi, Wilfred Ndidi, Wilfred Bony, Even all Ghanaian ex presidents are named John so I'm sure there are more men named John in Ghana than in UK. Goodluck Jonathan is the ex president of Nigerian. I don't think names tell where a person is from any longer, it can give hints tho but it definitely doesn't tell the whole story. Weirdly enough Japanese and Nigerians have similar names like Edo, Amara, Chi, and so on but I don't know of any relations between them that could have resulted in that. It may have just been coincidence.

[@brianlewis5692]

He said he had Romani in his family, that's gypsies, which are known to have come from India. Makes perfect sense to me. Not a trace region.

[@rachelnakasaki319]

Didn’t the Romany people groups originate many generations ago in South or Central Asia and work their way west?

[@GeneaVlogger]

Good point!

[@rachelnakasaki319]

I see that “Roma” is the correct name.

[@LBRall74]

Thats what I had thought

[@rolandsoos8913]

@@rachelnakasaki319 There are many correct names:)

[@MrJarl66]

Also, he got his mom was Welsh, he got some scandinavian dna, both of these "tribes" of people are of Indo-European origin, and theycame from central asia ca 4000-4500 yrs ago

[@donnaroberts281]

I just keep saying “that’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works” when they are describing AncestryDNA doing genealogy research on every kit.

[@rorycollins3351]

I agree. Ancestry doesn't Google your name to match with it's perceived ethnicity. Maybe there are companies that do this but they wouldn't have been around too long if this was their practice. Also, I'm not sure how they figured an "English" name was going to throw someone off when there is a huge population of African descendants here in the United States that do not have African names?

[@Chaotic_Pixie]

Given his history of Romani heritage, that increases the likelihood of that trace result being legit.

[@grahamparks1645]

Thank you this is what I’m saying too Romani/ traveler/gypsy ancestry is that north India Pakistan region I’m surprised it’s not more with central Asian or middle eastern percentages too

[@flaca11]

it's adorable how they think every person who does DNA is being cyber stalked.

[@EchoBravo370]

it's not adorable. More like ridiculous and stupid.

[@DustinHawke]

It annoys me. This is Idiocracy now.

[@cbenji07]

Well they do sell your DNA data to 3rd parties. So you have no real way to know what happens to it once submitted.

[@juch3]

Apparently some people have been hit on by cousins through the close relative feature that is provided by some DNA testing companies

[@mattpotter8725]

Not sure it's adorable, but shows how gullable they are, thinking that they charge quite a substantial amount of money and then go off the supplied name of the person whose DNA being tested is!!! These two could be married and she'd have his last name, and I'm sure there are some Kenyans who are given more "English" first names for many reasons. These people don't seem totally stupid, but I think they think they are a lot smarter than they really are!!! It made me laugh and even cringe a little.

[@melvawages7143]

Lol when they say they tried to trick I figured both spit in the same tube or else they added dog spit or something. People always claiming they sent in their dog's DNA lol and I'm like how they get the dog to spit in a tube?

[@adriennesamantha]

looooool

[@VenomHalos]

There are some companies that ask for a cheek swab instead, so you could get a sample from a dog for those lol

[@jimmianimates918]

my dog drools a lot so getting her to fill that would take seconds haha

[@Prophezora]

Dog slobber...lol

[@gj1234567899999]

The Romani did travel from India. Or maybe he has an ancestor that was a British soldier who had a kid in this part of the world during colonial days. I know that English actress Kate Beckinsale has direct Burmese ancestry because her ancestor was a British officer who married a Burmese woman, but their children kept marrying other British people so that’s why Kate Beckinsale looks white. So it’s possible a similar situation may have happened here where it may not be trace result. I saw a British TV a show that does genealogy where an English personality also had Indian DNA because their ancestor was a British soldier who married a local.

[@destyon9966]

Yea it’s definitely the gypsy

[@sr2291]

Like Princess Diana.

[@grahamparks1645]

Beckon sale is Anglo- Indian from the days of Empire

[@sheppeyescapee]

Billy Connolly was on British who do you think you are and found out he has Indian Ancestry

[@VenomHalos]

Olivia Coleman found Indian ancestry as well

[@spartanchuckles8743]

My closest match was from 23+me. Did 23 and me first, then ancestry. Found a half sister on 23+me, who helped me figure out who my bio father is, as I am adopted.

[@Nora-ox3jn]

I'm 49, just found out i'm "adopted" illegaly. So I have NO records , or even names of my biological family. I was told my mom died when giving birth to me. I was a premature baby and the "nuns" gave me to my non biological mother. I doubt my real mother died. I did the Ancestry and all I got were 3rd to 4th cousins. Plus obviously 53% Mexican and Spanish down to Portuguese. The other 1% were from Bantus peoples and African. huh? anyhow. I'm dissapointed. I was thinking of going with different company see what results I get. At my age, I doubt i'll find anyone. I always wanted to have a real brother or maybe I do have sisters from my biological dad, IF big IF it's true my biological mother died. Her family seems they might not know i'm alive ? the nuns could've told them I died as well? My biological father maybe never knew I was born nor my mom was pregnant? so many many questions. Sorry, I went too long. I'm glad you were able to find a half sister. Gives me a bit of hope.

[@GeneaVlogger]

@Nora - since you have tested on Ancestry you can download your raw DNA for free and upload it to multiple other databases for free. These include MyHeritage, Family Tree DNA, Gedmatch, Geni, GeneaNet, and a few others as well. You never know which database might just have a close relative who has tested. Even then, you still may be able to figure it out with in-depth research. I suggest you apply for a Search Angel at www.searchangels.org, which is free to do! You just may end up waiting a bit before you hear from someone to take your case. You should check out the show Relative Race, I have been doing reactions to it and that will likely give you a lot of hope!

[@lovelisascooking7640]

@@GeneaVlogger, I have tested with 23 & me and Ancestry.com. I then downloaded both of my raw DNA results to as many sites that allow one to do this without paying. My oldest son had done the 23&Me test, already. So, I did that one and then gave him, my younger son and my daughter in law the Ancestry.com test for Christmakkah in 2017. Our results have changed quite a lot since our 1st tests on 23&me and Ancestry.com over the years, up to the latest that were this year. They do seem to be more detailed and more accurate every time they update. My Uncle Joseph Lovett is a Peabody Award winning Producer of Documentaries. He recently released a documentary on The Spanish Inquisition called "Children of the Inquisition" about people finding out that they have Sephardic Jewish Ancestry and never knew. Check out Lovettproductions.com. He is also on Facebook. My Late Father, his Brothers and sister are 100% Ashkenazi Jewish. My Dad is the only one of his nuclear family to leave the East Coast and/or marry a gentile. My Late Brother and I are 50% Ashkenazi Jewish, as is my Daughter in Law. My late Brother and I are the only 2 of 11 first cousins who are only 50% Ashkenazi Jewish. The other 9 are/were 100%. I am the only Blue eyed cousin of 11. My two sons hover around 1/4 Ashkenazi Jewish. I now have an almost 3 month old Grandson whose Mom is 50% Ashkenazi Jewish and whose Daddy is about 25% Ashkenazi Jewish. I can't wait to find out what his DNA looks like and how it may change as time and technology move forward.

[@deniaridley]

@@Nora-ox3jn One possibility: If your family is from the Caribbean or anywhere in the Americas for that matter, you could very well have Bantu ancestry due to the Atlantic Slave Trade.

[@staceytolliver2510]

Awesome!

[@sheilad5321]

Can I add a word or warning to anyone trying to tinker with Ancestry's results. I know of identical twin sisters where one had done an AncestryDNA, the other sister had done a lesser known one. They had slightly different results, so the twin who had done the lesser known one decided to do the Ancestry DNA one, but she decided to put them to the test. On filling out what she knew of her family tree she left her twin off to test them. This was just after there had been cases of stolen identity and Ancestry had been able to help (not sure that they can still legally do that). However, this second sister's results were held back and she was emailed to ask if this was definitely her test, had she got hold of someone else's test and sent it in as hers, and other things. In other words they were asking her if she had stolen some one else's identity, but even then she couldn't see what she'd done. Then at the bottom they asked the question "is there any chance that you could be an identical twin?". Then the offending twin wrote back and admitted what she'd done and they released the results of tests, which of course were identical. Her sister, who had been above board when she did her test, was so absolutely furious about being drawn into this doubt of honesty, that she now feels unwilling to pursue her own genealogy. Luckily her daughter also tested and is getting results. Be aware this isn't a game!

[@joysoyo2416]

Yet some do give a fake name. It's supposed to not be police. You are free to put whatever name you want on it there is no WARRANT.

[@SupernovaX72]

An interesting “trick them” would have been both of them spitting in the tube and combining their dna and see what happens lol

[@pastelshades2860]

I thought that was what it was going to be.

[@cicishelby]

I found out I have a full biological sister through AncestryDNA. They cannot be fooled.

[@RawrLyss]

We found out about our adopted out cousin this way! She looks so much like my Auntie! She grew up thinking she was a different ethnicity the entire time. Her husband told her that she’s not and the test confirmed his speculation.

[@JPo.404]

They ain't messing around 😆

[@freyalove3831]

Trace back DNA family is accurate more easier than finding out different type of ethnicities. Based on probability, they will know what continent your ancestors are from.

[@selwatchesyt]

I have to laugh she thought changing her name would make a difference. Black women in the diaspora have those types of names.

[@BenefitCounterbench]

yes, or using an East Asian name would be "better" for her if she really wanted to "trick" the company.

[@Alex-fv2qs]

Also, you surname doesn't determine which country most of your ancestors were from My surname is French but I'm less than 20% French, I have more Spanish and German ancestry than that

[@Biobele]

@@Alex-fv2qs many Africans have English, French, Portuguese, Arabic first and last names. Goodluck Jonathan, Victor Moses so I'm surprised she an African thought this would work. She seems to have stayed in the UK long enough to develop an accent so that's also possibly why

[@ludy41]

@@Biobele Erm...she more likely was born in UK. We do live and are born here you know.

[@sgjoni]

He said he had Roma ancestry which is South-Asian in origin.

[@destyon9966]

Yes there origin is indian

[@mississaugafoodie7467]

Yup, exactly!

[@fidanibrahimova7425]

Does Roma mean Gypsy ?

[@mariyaatanasova1556]

@@destyon9966 I second that. My man is gypsy from another tribe and his parents are third cousins. His mom tested half North Indian and broadly Asian and half European. They moved to Europe 200 years ago so no wonder the mix.

[@David-qq9bk]

@@fidanibrahimova7425 yeah "Roma" is how they call themselves in their language. people in europe started calling them "gypsy" cause they thought they were egyptians

[@debbielough7754]

The idea that ancestry are going to go and hunt through records and find them to fake their dna instead of just, you know, testing it, is hilarious.

[@Sunfables]

It is. Yet valid..for black and poor people it comes from a trauma response. Historically hospitals and scientists in North America and I'm sure other places have used those people's bodies and blood for research and experimenting. Even to think about what happened with the Jewish community during the holocaust. Obviously people shouldn't live in fear but the root of some people's fear and conspiracies are valid...no matter how silly.

[@96unique2]

The effort they went through was honestly mind boggling. I took a few biology based classes in college and even I know that this was not going to work the way they wanted it to

[@TerryInUSA]

When you study genetics at college and in graduate school, I don't think what you are studying is name matching and record lookups.

[@azurephoenix9546]

It's funny to me because me and all 7 of my siblings and I have the same parents and we look like children of the united colors of benetton. Everyone thought we were all adopted because we didn't look like each other or our parents. 😅 genetic expressions can be completely random, but also a little hilarious.

[@sheppeyescapee]

Same with my mum's family, all mixed race and vary from very dark to very light. Some more Asian looking some more Indian, others more African. We're multiracial family because my grandad was Mauritian Creole.

[@marciocian9818]

In my family it goes the other way! All my siblings and I are from 3 different moms and our faces are THE EXACT SAME as our dad. The only difference is our skin color; my siblings and my dad all have darker skin but I came out looking like a ghost for some reason

[@SHurd-rc2go]

I love your attitude.

[@koobie83]

My sister and I too. We look like completely different sides of our family, yet after we did a DNA test we are more genetically similar than my mother is to her sisters (where they look more alike).

[@LM-he7eb]

I know this is old. But, as a South African I would like to add that during the Mfecane wars (1800) many people fleed from South Africa to Mozambique & other regions. During apartheid even more South African fleed up north. So nothing shocking here

[@MrGreensweightHist]

Yes, changing the name in no way would affect the DNA results. I think the reason they are doing the name thing is a way to test if the service is actually testing DNA at all, or just doing quick dirty genealogical research online.

[@MossyMozart]

@MrGreensweightHist - Those goofy kids were click-baiting their followers and potential followers. Dippy.

[@abrianal7864]

When you mentioned adoptees, I would certainly agree. I found two 2nd cousins on my matches that were adopted. The database is straight forward. Estimates are helpful but it's definitely more helpful with matches.

[@RichardsWorld]

At least 42 official tribes in Kenya. And there weren't really borders centuries ago. One of my Kenyan friends says he is Kenyan, just became American, but was born in Somalia, to Somali parents.

[@AutoReport1]

Bantu speakers spread from East Africa South and West, in many cases relatively recently. It almost looks like the majority of some lineages are in West or South Africa, but some Bantu pastoralists returned East with Western and Southern DNA. The same thing happened in Europe when Indo-European steppe pastoralists migrated West - there was a smaller back and forth migration introducing earlier western European DNA to the remaining steppe population.

[@rahannneon]

a lot of people with romani [traveler] ancestry, including myself and my husband, have trace ancestry from western asia. we used the harappaworld filter at gedmatch and both came back part baloch.

[@amiralozse1781]

well, these two sweethearts are a bit on the not so deep side... may I say. bless em!

[@jattupardu1860]

The shallow gene pool, you say? 😆

[@garyturner5204]

Yes. I call it the shallow end of the gene pool.

[@dianapulido1807]

I was adopted and didn't know that I was adopted my results were really surprising. This has helped me because I have around 46%, British Isles and it showed 1% from Finland (I know minute amount) it still surprises you and you say that's weird. Well all my results were weird to me and not what I expected at all. Then again if they had been what I expected I would have not known that I was adopted.

[@keeperofthedomus7654]

Bantu tribes migrated through Kenya down to South Africa. You can find migration maps and time estimates online.

[@JessJayEel]

Bantu is not a tribe but a language group. Just like English is based in the Latin language group. Bantu speaking people is as diverse as Latin speaking people. The reason why there is a push to lump them together is because the genetic study of Bantu speanking people is lacking. The more we are aware of the diversity the more categories there will be. As for now they have broad categorizations like Western Bantu, South Eastern Bantu, South Western Bantu, etc. A Tribe is a cultural group like Fulani, Wolof, Igbo, Yoruba. Bantu speaking people have many tribes, Bantu is not a tribe. Also there is recent genetic study that discovered the genetic diversity of Bantu speaking people. This study reveals that prior to the "Bantu expansion" there was already genetic diversity. Once they settled down in southern or eastern locations in Africa, some mixed with local groups and others didn't. But the Bantu language has speakers of different genetic backgrounds. I hope genetic studies continue in Africa so we can stop having to use these broad terms to describe African people just because we speak similar languages. We know that Nigeria's Yoruba and Igbo tribes are part of the Niger Congo language family but we don't call them "Niger-Congo" tribe. There is a lot to learn about the diversity of Africa and the more genetic study and anthropology is done on the continent the better we will be able to understand that these broad terms just don't cut it. Link to the study: www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/697474v1.full

[@charmainej4820]

As a Southern Bantu, before there were DNA test. We have knowledge passed down that says that we came from the Tanzania region. 'Tanganyika' literally translates where the country/world started. I knew that e had migrated to Southern Africa. I have noticed that there is a language similar to mine in Tanzania....the migration from West Africa is BS. There is no language in West Africa that is similar to my language, there is less cultural similarities with west africa, we even look phenotypically different. Later on they reclassified 'Bantu' to Southern Bantu, Western Bantu and the other one....but if you check our haplogroups, they differ....I think scientist are just trying to force the Bantu migration thing from West Africa. Bantu is a language group, I will believe my ancestors. Time and time again science ends up backing what they have been saying for centuries. Just like how they said we had Israel aka jew ancestry, racist scientist disputed...when they tested us later they did find the Israeli haplogroup

[@rimun5235]

@@charmainej4820 I’ve been saying this as a Kenyan forever. I don’t even see language links to so called West African “Bantu” languages yet the whole theory claims the languages are similar. It makes no sense. However, when it comes to some South eastern groups. There are definitely similarities, but once you start going into Lingala, the Central African, South Western and just Western African languages, they are so completely different it makes no sense. I’ve noticed Native American languages are also classified pretty poorly. There are also languages that are absolutely not Bantu yet every DNA test gives those people “Bantu” results. Languages from the Nilo-Saharan, pigmy, xhoisan groups among many different groups don’t seem to have any classifiers. What they classify as Nilo-Saharan is also confusing because the languages aren’t even really linked. Heck, these people aren’t even linked DNA wise...

[@JessJayEel]

@@rimun5235 There are common haplogroups among Bantu speakers which indicates common "Bantu" ancestors and a mass migration. In other words, the "Bantu" origin story is similar but not conclusive. We do not know whether it was from the east or west because there is no archeological evidence of it besides our DNA. The theory that Bantu people came from Cameroon is a common one but widely contested.

[@Adventurepee]

He said he has Romani ancestry, that would explain the South Asian ancestry, as the Roma people originated in the Indian subcontinent.

[@shelleyc.2576]

I'm glad you understood what they were doing because that sounds like a big mess what they're doing

[@puncheex2]

The companies spend tons of money automating the systems so human interaction is minimal. The cost of your particular test is in the low number of dollars per simply because of this. These two think they're going to assign actual people to search out and lookup their parents to get a clue? When there is no downside to them to have you complain about not matching your parent's results closely enough? How come they don't teach simple economics in high school? How do they think they matched you up to 1500 cousins? Looking them up too? My word.

[@wordswritteninred7171]

They trying to be so smart, and prove that the dna company is fraud, yet, are FALLINGFOR THE SALES TACTICS!! Lol

[@TimothyCote]

I think it is funny when they remark about the name - going back to another region in another continent. I have gone back to 1500's on a few parts. But, majority were all from France. One from Holland (Region) threw me off, but he married a woman from France, and died in France. Two from Southern England, also married women from France, and were buried there.

[@jackdavids2723]

regarding the central or southern asian part, he did say he has Romany heritage who are known to originate from the Indian subcontinent, when he said that I immediately predicted he's going to have traces of that

[@mattkaustickomments]

Sweet but naive to think the scientists wouldn’t nail the backgrounds. Hers probably took a long time because they had fewer samples to work with and had to dig deeper. Fun video.

[@MercyAlwyz23]

I love the Thrulines option. However, it’s not so good when a family member has their ancestor listed wrong. 😩

[@UriyahMommy]

I agree, I love thruline, but you’re right

[@puncheex2]

Exactly. GEDMatch has a similar option to get matches by comparing your tree against the others people have sent them. The accuracy depends both on the accuracy of your tree and their tree.

[@iriscollins7583]

@@puncheex2 My brother sent for a DNA test months before I did. He lives in France, I live in England, Me being married have a different surname. They kindly told me that I have a fully matched brother, referencing my brother. I can't remember what details that I gave. But I'm sure age didn't come into it, I am 22 years older than my brother. I have a son who is 2 years older than my brother.😊😊😊

[@Humphreyat86]

​@@puncheex2for the distant ones it can also be thrown off by cousin marriages or multiple marriages between families eg: two brothers marry two sisters.

[@mariyaatanasova1556]

Romani gypsies are not originally from Europe. They immigrated from Northern India Pakistan and Afghanistan regions. Many of them came from different tribes. So, Yes he has this DNA from his father.

[@VoiceAcrossTheField]

If his dad's family have Romany ancestry then that's why he's showing Indian subcontinent area's.

[@kylepickus5712]

If she is related to a Bantu population, it makes a lot of sense that her ancestry is a bit everywhere, as they were originally a nomadic people.

[@justteresiah]

True and all those are areas where Bantus migrated through

[@rimun5235]

Bantus are not nomadic.. However, Bantu is a language classifier. It is not an actual population. Bantu speaking people though are largely sedentary. They are the ones who spread agriculture throughout Africa.

[@Biobele]

Ancestry is very expensive for us to test on so you are more likely to find Africans using other cheaper DNA companies. So that's something to keep in mind.

[@sheppeyescapee]

Her results are very similar to one of the Kenyan matches that my mother has, 48% Eastern Bantu, 20% Cameroon, Congo and Western Bantu, 16% Southern Bantu, 9% Ethiopia & Eritrea, 7% Somalia.

[@tysonl.taylor-gerstner1558]

You are absolutely right. I get those emails all the time for ancestor matches and have had for my grandparents, parents and self. He did say he had romany ancestry....

[@destyon9966]

Yo the Indian isn’t a trace result because he said his mom or something came from a gypsy traveler background and they came from India so it isn’t a trace result

[@GeneaVlogger]

Trace result just means it is a small amount of shared DNA, has nothing to do with the veracity of it. So even if he has supporting evidence that proves the reading is likely correct, it doesn't mean it still isn't a trace result.

[@ade910]

Irish travellers are ethnically Irish. They don't come from India.

[@SobrietyandSolace]

@@ade910 Possible admixture with Romani people as they are also travellers. I have on suspected some convergence.

[@dcrob20002]

He said one of his ancestors are Romany so that would explain the South Asia ancestry.

[@jesssobze8353]

Ok, serious question, so if humans evolved out of Africa, how come some people like this dude don’t have any markers from African countries? May you please explain. I’m not an expert by any means on how this is done or studied, so I would love to be enlightened.

[@bobcharlie2337]

Haha, she's a fossil.😀. When my mother tested, she also had very few matches. 37 matches. It took three and a half years to wait for other tests to match her.

[@hawaii3231]

Wow only 37… if she tested a few years ago she would probably have had none at all.

[@Cynnas]

I had been working on my family tree for about 5 years before getting an Ancestry DNA test and the test results matched exactly with no surprises whatsoever. (Which was actually a bit disappointing.) My tree was not on Ancestry at the time so they had no access to it nor any of my info.

[@judithwood6419]

For me, I know exactly where mines comes from but my brother he denies part of our ancestry because he hasn’t seen any relatives from that particular part of the family and I have. And ours is denial of Native American ancestry, which shows up in all of our DNA test me my cousins, all of us, and it’s somewhere else from 16 to 30% which is about right.

[@AutoReport1]

He did say he had Romany ancestry, but somehow didn't realize the Romany are from India.

[@bec7080]

It's harder because there's not enough people from Sub Saharan Africa who have done DNA tests, that's probably why it took so long. I know my "areas" that my and my mom and sisters DNA is tied to changes all the time. Mine is essentially trace but theirs is a lot higher, and theirs says different areas than mine for some.

[@themanifestorsmind]

Mine connected me to cousins in Nigeria. I messaged them and found out what tribe I was from. Majority of my DNA is Igbo.

[@bouzoukiman5000]

Forget about migrations. People, especially men, travelled a lot in the 20th century for work

[@Majestic1]

LOL I realize this is now pretty old, but it has always irked me that some non-believers think that these DNA companies are pulling information for testers based on something other than genetics. I'm pretty sure when I first tested my grandfather, I didn't have to provide an accurate name and he didn't even have an account. Not even sure that I had to denote his gender. I had not done a family tree for him. The only thing that had me suspicious about his results is that he matched genealogists I already knew. I was kinda like, "Hmm...small world!" Somewhat thinking that the Western African-Ancestored people had somehow been lumped together. But many tests and years later, as well as uploading the raw data to other websites, I've realized that my perception was incorrect. We just happen to have a long history in the Southern & Eastern USA like many of the matches I had already met through genealogy research. Also, that endogamy is very real and happens in various ways.

[@livinglife8333]

Those two have zero clue on how Ancestry works, 🤣😂 I’m sorry I don’t mean to laugh at them but this is so funny! I have explained to people how DNA is passed down from parents to children, with a deck of cards. Some get it some just can’t.

[@SHurd-rc2go]

Just kids.

[@MartinaValla]

What's funny is they think it's easier to go through archives and documents than putting the dna in a lab machine and analyze it. If they ever tried to look for certificates and family trees they'd know it's definitely not the case! Since he said he has romani ancestry the central asia MIGHT be right though?

[@lf1496]

Her DNA was so interesting. Wow Africa is diverse.

[@tomjackson5847]

lol, I pass as white with a Scottish mother and Hispanic father who has an African haplogroup. They will get your DNA right!

[@ade910]

There are tens of millions of ethnic White Europeans with African haplogroups. Haplogroups don't tell you anything about your ethnic make up. Hispanic is not a race. You don't pass for white. You are white.

[@tussalgull5986]

Yeah what the other guy said Hispanic is not a race you are white

[@zozifeliz]

You are literally white with some native American mix

[@RDCFemmes]

I actually watched their result reveal. years ago i watched a nigerin american who was 100% Nigerian and I think a sudanese girl living in Canada who was 100% african

[@Biobele]

I'm Nigerian, but according to my results I'm 98% African.

[@erit.africa]

My understanding of Bantu tribes is that they migrated to Southern Africa from Central and East Africa. This is evident in the similarities between Swahili (spoken in East Africa) and Xhosa, Zulu ( and other languages spoken in SA). So it is not surprising that she has Bantu heritage. What is surprising is the Khoisan which is considered as one of the first nation tribes in Southern Africa (South Africa and I think Namibia). But that just my basic understanding of African history 😊😊😊 This was really interesting because I too have a hotly debated lineage. My small tribe is based in Uganda and DRC (boarder area). Some say we are originally from West Africa (Yuruba/Igbo) some say Central Africa, some say South Sudan. I say... I'm just happy to be African 😁😁😁😁.

[@mhlave2440]

The Khoisan should not be a surprise because there was an upward migration from South Africa up until Kenya from as late as the 1820's. Check the movement of Zwangendaba and his people from present day South Africa 🇿🇦 up to present day Kenya 🇰🇪.

[@ashleymaginnis3641]

Hi there. I don't know if you answer questions in the comments. My mom, dad, sister and I have all taken ancestry tests. My sister took Ancestry and the rest of us took 23andMe. We are all very white. My dad received 100% European results but my mom, sister, and I all received around 1% North African with the rest being European. If only one of us had gotten that result I would have thought it was a fluke. But if all three of us have this same result, what could be the explanation? We are mostly British Isles (over 60%), with some Scandinavian, French, German, and Iberian. And then the North African. Is it proximity to Spain?

[@ShellSellars-Smith]

My husband is part bantu people! He is very proud of this association.

[@themadmanwithapen]

He did say his family had some Romani in there and the Romani originate in South Asia so it makes sense.

[@chriswamahiu8751]

Eastern Bantus (Kikuyus included) migrated from Congo DRC area ending about 1500CE, first of all moving together with Southern African Bantus southwards, before moving north and eastwards to Kenya and Tanzania. I think that's how the distribution of this data is set. My take though. Am not a genealogist. Just a Kenyan who knows some bit of History

[@tdmccoy1211]

I have two half siblings. A blond haired, blue eyed, light skinned sister that belongs to my dark haired, eyed and skinned (native American) mom. And a dark haired, eyed and skinned (Philippine) brother that belongs to my blond haired, blue eyed, light skinned (German/Irish) dad. Ppl always get them all confused. I however have red hair and green eyes, which neither parents have and I'm the only one that shares both their DNA.

[@rsabinioan]

It’s quite interesting that he mentioned that he had a few irish travller/romany ancestors that he was aware of. That might explain the central asia Afghanistan. The origin of Irish Travellers or Romanies in England is highly debated. Some consider them just to be a nomadic anglo-saxon group, otheres consider them to be a celtic group but there is speculation they might’ve originated in central asia/india like the rromanies in eastern europe. Might explain the Afghanistan part. I know its just a trace but still.

[@jahmoxie5120]

There's a video where the youtuber is black brit with parent's from the Caribbean who has more Nigerian DNA than a Nigerian. His vid talks about how Africans are so surprised because they didn't realise how vast migration patterns.

[@mikehiggins9871]

He said he was Romany, which means this starts out in India and travels through the middle east to Europe

[@pjeaton58]

What happens if you mix the actual saliva / swab material - and a bit from your dog as well ???

[@Roger_Kirk]

To be fair, the Pakistan/Afghanistan result may well be trace, but he says he has Romani ancestry, which some say the group may have originated in the northern Indian region

[@MrsWheezer]

The difference in time could just be one of those things. My husband and I sent ours at the same time. I got my results a few weeks before he did, and we have similar ancestry.

[@FashionablePoison]

I find it interesting that he hasn't seen anyone with full African DNA results, mine came back as 100% Nigerian

[@DustinHawke]

Why is that interesting? That would be highly rare where he's from and probably rare even in Nigeria.

[@joannasaadati8810]

Maybe he was talking about African Americans ?

[@FashionablePoison]

@@DustinHawke but he's not just talking about where he's from, it seemed to me that he was talking about Africans in general. The girl in the video is British, I would assume that it is not uncommon for British people of African descent to be full African.

[@Danielle-zq7kb]

The Roma people come from that area of Pakistan, Afghanistan area and he said he had Roma background.

[@bejeezus3818]

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[@GeneaVlogger]

Good point!

[@vegetariansuniteworldwide8091]

Roma are from India definitively! The descendants in Spain made flamenco music and dance! Ole!

[@zozifeliz]

Central asia and South Asia are different like South America and North America.

[@judithwood6419]

Most of that is recent ancestry. So most likely, the girls, redheaded because they’ve had recent European grandparents post slavery.

[@SallieAndrea]

Kimmys results make sense but the ranges are a bit odd. I’m Kenyan and I did 23 and me and that was far more specific. I got mostly Kenyan like 91% (southern eastern bantu) and then the rest was a mixture of horn African countries such as Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia. I feel like a mixture of East African countries is more accurate. But it could also be because we are from different tribes. The southern eastern bantu broad results comes from the migration from central regions of Congo and cameroon which saw a huge bantu expansion to east and South Africa and that saw a lot of mixing with different groups and that might be why she has a huge percentage of both Congo, east Africa and South Africa. But her results still seem too broad and maybe they have updated

[@MRDPG59]

Direct question for you Genea Vlogger have you send DNA sample to the SAME place twice to see if it comes back exactly the same in both tests ?Is that a possible experiment?

[@AfrikanTaO]

There you have it. That Khoisan link, links with your Southern African. The Central African part is easily explained too, Bantu migration.

[@OHHNO515]

The Central or South Asian percentage for him isn’t very surprising, since he said he has Romani ancestry. The Romani have strong South Asian ancestry

[@sarabobara8458]

The trace result for asia, is likely his romani grand father? Romani travelers are indian in ancestry.

[@philmccluskey2063]

yes, you are so right...they really don't understand the concept . thanks for being the voice of reason.

[@pinksmoke25123]

I think the fake names was to make sure they don’t just send you random results without actually testing anything

[@phillipmoore9012]

Right, I've taken five autosomal-DNA tests. The DNA is the same, but the companies use different Reference Groups so their estimates vary. I also tested three siblings at Ancestry. Among the four of us England, for example, varies from 32% to 41%. Looking at the British Isles collectively we show 93% to 100%. I am the 93% on Ancestry. However, on Living DNA I also show 100% British Isles.

[@getbetter973]

Man that’s amazing. Somewhere along the line she had a ancestor that lived in ancient Kush…probably

[@cjpenning]

Ancestry's got Jonathan Edwards in the back room...."Is there someone named John here that recently lost a close friend?" LOL

[@REVW196]

Noise possible?0.1% ?

[@Kam-pz5tb]

His family are traveller's. Best kept secret is that gypsies are originally from India 😅

[@KentPetersonmoney]

My sister in law don't seem to think it's accurate but I believe it is. True it says some of my 2nd cousins are more distance then they actually are but that manly because I probably didn't copy as much similar DNA as other second cousins. Some family I know in real life showed up of crouse most I didn't know. My great grandparents also had brothers cousins aunts, uncles parents grandparents, grandaunts granduncle and great grandparents who desendents would also show as my matches. I wonder what would show if a person from the sentinel island took the test. Would they show zero matches?

[@bsabruzzo]

My big surprise from Ancestry, which I think is an error of some type, is that I'm about 50/50 Irish Italian (with a few little things from the obvious British Isles like a bit of Norse), but my sister, who has the exact same parents, has a number of odd bits in her results, from Senegal to Egypt/SA to Germany/Spain/France. Either she got the left over mix, somebody cheated, or there where testing errors. but, is 2 to 3 percent a simple error?

[@jattupardu1860]

@Benjamin Abruzzo, if your family is of Sicilian origin, then you will likely have a considerable amount of DNA from the Middle East/Soutwest Asia and North Africa, Greece, possibly Albania, Spain, France, and even Germany (by way of northern Lombard or Gallo-Italian settlers) due to the centuries of foreign rule and immigration. This does not even include the "trace results" of unexpected origin that most people fill have. It's possible for a sibling to get all of these markers in different amounts. Have your parents test too, if possible. It will help fill in the blanks!

[@davidderuiter726]

Romany came from Kashmir region between 1000-1100 so not weird to have that trace result

[@monicao.46]

Hey what happens if you mix 2 splits in same tube....

[@Lantanana]

Sounds to me they used a service that ALSO does a paper genealogy. Unless they contaminate the spit/swab, they can't mess up the DNA results, but if the company also offers a paper trail, they could mess that up with false names. It does surprise me, however, that people think businesses have the time or the motivation to be sneaky.

[@linusfotograf]

He said he was part Roma right? They came from South Asia many centuries ago I believe.

[@cityonfoot6023]

They're the best in analyzing their results so far.

[@aleqrobinson2876]

The 1% Central Asian for the guy is coming from his Romani traveller roots as Roma/Romani or Gypsy as we know them migrated from the Pakistan/India region 1000s of years ago and reached England by the 16th century. As for the girl, Africans go by tribes more than countries and each country has atleast 20 different tribes who have all intermarried prior to European interaction. So her different regions aren't surprising, just shows the migration of all the different African tribes over the years.

[@annaponting7693]

There is still debate over how Romany adopted English names. Hobbs is a common name among British Romany and certainly Central Asia fits well with having Romany roots. Its also a strongly endogamous community.

[@MossyMozart]

Didn't the guy mention that he had Romani background? Travelers!

[@conormcguire2376]

What does it mean if I have 3% swedish in my results but my mum doesnt and neither do my dads parents? Ancestry told me that my dad should have swedish in his results (we are waiting on them) and that my dad may be more closely linked to his grandparents

[@Booger414]

If it came out that these companies did google names as a first step, it wouldn't surprise me. However if that was how they matched DNA samples, there wouldn't be so many publicized cases of people who were surprised by their discovered ancestry.

[@TerryInUSA]

How can they google millions of names? Millions of people have sent in their DNA. And people's last names only reflect one branch of their family background. Like another commenter said -- why would they go to all the trouble of researching people when they can just test their DNA?

[@ammalyrical5646]

Do tests like this exist for testing mitochondrial DNA? That would fascinate me a lot more than just regular DNA. I'm Dutch so I'll probably have a lot of Germanic DNA in me (Dutch, Scandinavian, German, etc.) and I believe one of my grandparents had some French ancestors. It's not that interesting to me. I know I am distantly related to our Royal Family as well since one of my family members built up an entire family tree out of curiosity years ago (without the Ancestry database, she did the paper trail research and it took a loooong time).

[@richiezed]

Why would someone who admitted knowledge of Romany ancestry be surprised about South Asian blood traces

[@SHurd-rc2go]

Bad education. Geography, for instance, seems to be missing from curricula in N America. Just from young people I meet; I live in a tourist area of a different country.

[@eliseharris]

Ranges are not new. They have had them since at least 2017. They have got rid of the list of things they tested that were possible and have fewer trace results than they used to have. They got rid of all my trace results after updates. It went from about 12 per cent altogether of various trace results added up to almost all of it being categorised into various British. Which was a lot less exciting!