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Hi friends, happy Thursday!
Welcome to the Dark History podcast. We all know that “beauty” often comes with a high price to pay. I mean, worth it though, right? Who doesn’t like feeling beautiful? But what if I told you that “beauty” practices throughout history have been down right ugly? And not just any ugly-we’re talking foot binding, bone crushing, pube-plucking ugly. I guess the takeaway is that beauty standards have a shady past. And the question becomes: Who are we doing all this for?
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Chapters:
00:00 - "THE SWAN" INTRO
02:21 - DORITO FEET? FOOT BINDING EXPLAINED
15:14 - HEALTH CONCERNS & LOTUS FOOT RANKINGS
22:56 - CORSETS, SUCKING IT IN, & STATUS
32:20 - THE INVENTION OF THE BRA
44:14 - SUGARING WAS NOT SO SWEET
55:32 - LETTING IT ALL HANG OUT
59:12 - PRETTY PRIVILEGE
1:04:58 - ANSWERING COMMENTS
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[@audioliquor]

As a young girl in Hong Kong, I saw my great-grandmother's bound feet with my own eyes. She was no longer wealthy, but stuck with these useless and painful feet. I saw her foot-binding cloths and I just felt so horrified, grossed out, and sad all at the same time. This was in the early 1980s. Thanks, Bailey for researching and talking about this!

[@sherryrose3777]

That's so sad 😢

[@erika8643]

was she still able to walk?

[@audioliquor]

@@erika8643 Yes. But super slowly.

[@jxn1056]

Bless her heart 😢 that's so horrible. I first heard about foot binding a long time ago and it just blew my mind. Those poor girls

[@thedepthsofrepair]

That is... so recent. I'm sorry you had that happen in your family.

[@mrsblahblah92]

I’m sorry but the fact that Paul’s crotch is blurred the entire episode is HILARIOUS

[@ravensong7128]

Absolutely! 😂😂😂😂 nice touch!

[@Lozzy_1994]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@selinsu]

i didnt even notice until i saw this comment 😭😭😭

[@karentucker2161]

He is paula for the day lol 😆 😂

[@odalystorres4830]

Ikr 😂😂😂😂

[@aloassmith9183]

Please do a part 2 to beauty standards. For skin bleaching, gages, neck rings, and tattooing.

[@bosslady88]

Most of these are preferences... Not the standard. ❤

[@kelseywelsey2924]

Skin bleaching is no different than tanning. People get skin cancer from tanning and die. A lot of that is preference not standard.

[@JP-iz9cz]

In recent times perhaps, but historically it was a standard of the upper class to be pale white (to show they don't work the fields). They often used lead which caused all kinds of health issues ​@@kelseywelsey2924

[@KyndalTheMeister]

“Preference” or not, it’s a form of beauty, can be painful, and is interesting to look into the history of. Especially skin bleaching, because I think it’s sad that that stuff gets marketed toward people of color. It’s not like tanning.

[@user-ee1et2pm1z]

GREAT IDEA

[@pixie7349]

Corsets are only bad IF YOU TIGHT LACE, when appropriately sized they are quite supportive for back pain. I wear them frequently, when I was younger I wore a 22in corset. They also help with cramping postpartum.

[@alienangel777]

True! I just left a comment about this at the top if you are interested. :)

[@earlgreytuesday2454]

Ugh yes someone else said it lol

[@Theodosia2468]

I'm so glad that someone said it! I follow pages on historical dress, and they all said what you have. Tight lacing is BAD! Properly laced corsets are fine.

[@kay.rariii]

Agreed they do well if you wear them properly, especially postpartum.

[@WILDSPIRIT-nw5ip]

For back pain I recommend a 5 minute stretching routine every morning to boost the flexibility and endurance of the muscles. This stretching routine is my best preventive solution for long work day without having to suffer the pain later in the evening. You can also do a self massage using a big towel, you simply roll it up or fold it in a shape of a swiss roll and put it across your back in a standing position, create a U shape and hold the ends and pull forward alternating between the right and left. The pulling creates a pressure on the muscles while kneading them until the pain is gone.

[@savannahdavidsen8237]

I found you on YT when I was in rehab and I fell inlove. I’ve been clean 4 years now and I am just so happy that I can use your channel as a milestone basically. Love you 🫶

[@tracischraenkler4801]

I'm very proud of you, I'm not an addict but was married to one . Everyone is strong enough to overcome, but it is strength most don't know they have. You know now that you can do anything you want to. That is true beauty.❤

[@savannahdavidsen8237]

@@tracischraenkler4801 thank you so much 🫶🫶

[@sammoore3307]

Congrats on your sobriety! ☺️ I’m so proud of you, 4 years is huge! 🫶 I’m just shy of 6 years sober.

[@savannahdavidsen8237]

@@sammoore3307 and I am so proud of you!!!

[@dephkononechicago7079]

Currently battling. Thanks for the inspo

[@LasPhoenix777]

When I was a newlywed my husband and I watched the swan When he saw me applying through email to be a contestant he said the sweetest most heart felt words. He was almost in tears because I was so insistent. I gave up the idea for his sake. I’m so grateful I did. We’ve been married over 20 years. He’s my soulmate. And I don’t need surgery. (honestly even if I did, I didn’t because F that.)

[@theuseriwantedwastaken]

That's so heartwarming I'm so glad you found someone amazing💗

[@nataliep501]

That is so sweet! Your hubby is a keeper

[@Overboard-im7ut]

you keep that man also what’d he say?

[@marwahe7770]

I’m Egyptian and we still do sugaring today instead of using regular wax. It’s really easy to make at home and it’s better for your skin vs. wax. 😊

[@rhodabaxter9687]

What recipe do you use ? I've tried a few and haven't managed to get it right

[@alysonm1289]

I like sugaring to me it's less painful

[@WitchKitty79]

Isn't it reusable as well?

[@marwahe7770]

@@WitchKitty79yes just pop it in the fridge!!

[@LCx829]

@@rhodabaxter9687the one I remember was sugar, water and lemon. It’s not that easy to make.

[@mousemd]

I wonder if foot binding inspired the way women dress their feet for ballet? Just the way you described it , that's where my mind went

[@atinele1986]

Same!

[@jessicadaviddoesfasting]

Same

[@priscillareynoso5712]

Footbinding predates pointe shoes! So it’s the other way around!

[@dorothytucker9305]

​@priscillareynoso5712 it's the right way. Something had to come first to inspire the second.

[@paddy1144]

@@dorothytucker9305 what, theres zero inspiration in it. A Boxers hand wrap is used for the same reason ballet dancers wear wraps, it has nothing to do with making the foot smaller. With this logic it was mummys that inspried foot wrapping!

[@aliciamaria04]

beauty standards really constructed us to have internalized misogyny towards ourselves and other women. hope we all break free from this and love ourselves to the fullest. 🤞❣️

[@bunnyday1473]

Which makes it even weirder that corsets are here as the myths and misinformation about them and how they "ruined our bodies" was made up by men in order to tear down women and feminine beauty standards. There is a lot of interesting literature on this and how damaging it is for modern day feminism to utilise the myths of corsetry because of the misogynistic history behind it and how it ignores how corsets were originally empowering for women as a support garment.

[@MegaBossmare]

I agree. I’ve recently decided to let my gray grow out and embrace aging even though Im only 45.

[@rosyybear]

true ,even now in modern days with girls wanting bbls or big butts and because it’s appealing for men

[@Nor4.999]

@@MegaBossmare as you shoulddd!

[@theguest4516]

See some of you have drank the Kool-aid. Stop making yourself a victim.

[@jentacularbudget2287]

Tightlacing was actually not as common as it is believed. The myth of the corset that restricts your breathing was started by men (who also wore corsets for a time) and is perpetuated by Hollywood. Women would play sports, rock climb, do trapeze, all while wearing a corset. The padding in the corset does most of the work in creating the hourglass shape. I would recommend the videos of Karolina Zebrowksa for more information on corset myths.

[@n.m.dooley1951]

Having tried on a historically accurate corset in Drama class many years ago, I can assure you, it was tight, It made breathing VERY difficult. No I know why women also had fans- to force air into their lungs. If you have never worn said garment, don’t be so quick to judge what was and was not true about it.

[@Lea-bw9wj]

@@n.m.dooley1951 they were made to fit the person. Sounds like what you tried on was to small or it was pulled in to tight.

[@HokeTheDog]

Maybe the corset didn't fit. They came in different sizes.They were supposed to be laced to comfort and over a ruffled camisole and bloomers to create the illusion of a narrow waist. That's how most women wore corsets.

[@vauxa7898]

@@n.m.dooley1951 it's pretty much guaranteed that your drama class corset was not as historically accurate as you think, or was entirely the wrong size.

[@heyman.9668]

THIS!

[@noontide_sun2880]

Im so happy to see everyone defending corsetry in the comments bc i saw the thumbnail and my heart dropped a little. I was worried that no one would call it out.

[@sailormoonnerd_]

same. I wish others would stop spreading false information about corsets. I get looked at so weird any time I mention I wear a corset (read: complain that I don't fit in mine anymore.) and end up having to go into a whole spiel about how they're not nearly as horrible as the rumors say they are.

[@NGRAY1980]

After my fist child, like literally after birth at the hospital, my mother wrapped me up in a sheet, real tight like a corset so that my body would begin to go back to its original form and heal properly. And afterwards, my body looked amazing!-literally within weeks of giving birth. Corsets do work, they’re uncomfortable for the most part but they do work. Even a cheap one made from a sheet 😅. My mother knew what she was doing. 🥰 I have 3 kids now and used a corset every time. 👌🏻

[@WitchKitty79]

Lol, I left the hospital both times wearing my pre-pregnancy cut-off Calvin Klines. After getting home, I did swell a bit and ended up putting on something stretchy, but I was still proud of myself for all that! I'd gained between 30 to 35 lbs with both kids, Alyssa was 8lb.1oz. 19&3/4", Isaac was 9lb5oz&22",both a regular V birth. Crazy tho, within 3 months of both being born, my body gained all the weight, right back to the delivery day weight! So me before sis, 135, delivery day 165. 165 before Bug, 180 delivery day. I have NOT been under 180 since and it has been over 20 years.

[@daniellemartin9896]

It used to be common practice for nurses to kneed at your abdomen to help push everything leftover out and to wrap you up tight.

[@wahsdarb1013]

This is very common in Latin culture, but it's more about helping mama with back support after labor than getting her shape back!

[@christyjohnson5618]

My momma wrapped me too. She was a midwife when i was little. Smart lady

[@kristabj123]

If corsets are fitted to the wearer and worn properly, nothing is damaged and actually helps with posture! Bernadette Banner has a few great videos on debunking the “corsets are harmful” myth!

[@LilSinger097]

Yes! Also desirable silhouettes were achieved by using layers of petticoats, bustles, crinoline skirts and other clothing garments!!

[@jillogicaljelly3627]

Yes yes yes! I also added a comment that talks about the pictures you find and how they're actually doctored/photoshopped. You could get a painter to alter pictures very sneakily. No moving of bones necessary.

[@LilSinger097]

@@jillogicaljelly3627 and tight lacing children in corsets were unheard of! It was normal for children to be in corsets starting from age 6. But they would never have been laced in tight enough to permanently alter their bodies

[@AuroraTigress]

I thought of Bernadette Banner as soon as I saw this thumbnail.

[@morganbaldwinmiller]

I saw the thumbnail and I was like don't tell me we are STILL perpetuating this myth lol

[@Oliver-Vader-Emma]

Corsets really weren’t as bad as history would make them out to be. Tight lacing was really not common place. Stays were more common and were practically sport bras. Bernadette banner does a great job explaining the corset history and so maybe look at some fashion historians for better information on it. Love you bunches Bailey ❤

[@BreakofDawn]

Yeah, Bernadette’s video was more historical accurate. A corset was supposed to fit comfortably and was used just to create the illusion of a small waist, not to actually make it smaller. If it hurt or made it hard to breathe, that meant either they were wearing it wrong or had the wrong type of corset. Tight lacing wasn’t common placed and essentially the wrong way to wear a corset

[@breakfastsewingclub1170]

Plus Victorian loved to Photoshop their photos too

[@rivershaley]

exactlyyy it was more abt the silhouette than having a tiny waist and there was a lot of hip padding to make the waist appear even smaller. not at all comparable to restricting and breaking the bones in the feet like she tried to suggest(especially since children didn’t wear stays or corsets vs them binding the feet of literal babies)

[@its_erinp]

Thank you for commenting exactly what I came here to say!

[@miinfl7143]

​@@rivershaleyFoot binding wasn't common either until the 19th century. Most people couldn't "afford" to bind their feet unless they were very rich and didn't have to do any work.

[@Turbulent_Tardis]

This episode was pure peak Bailey humor!! 😂😂😂

[@breemapry]

I’m actually about to start wearing a corset again…one that fits properly. I sit a lot for my job and I think it would really help with my posture.

[@LilSinger097]

I'm the Victorian era they used bustles, crinoline skirts and layers and layer and layers to achieve the "beauty standard" they didn't altar their bodies physically. I mean some high class did tight lace but it wasn't the common practice! Sometimes I wish we could be a bit more like that!

[@dark_baphomet]

Same it sounds so much more comfortable, and any body could fit the standard with the right padding and corsets and stays etc, also the undergarments keep you cleaner and your clothes last longer because they aren’t as exposed to sweat that breaks down the fibres faster

[@IVEmeritus]

Also, the corset acts like a weight distributor for all the clothes layers. Those layers & bustle cages didn't feel as heavy as they might sound (they're also a huge help for those with back pain due to being top heavy). They force you to lift stuff properly, too. I love them. Taught me better posture.

[@jenniferryjewski3664]

Women used to dress so beautifully!!! Idk what happened.

[@dark_baphomet]

@jenniferryjewski3664 I mean I enjoy both styles, I just wish it was more mainstream to choose to wear corsets and be able to buy corsets and stays, sometimes it would be nice to have the extra support, but if I'm going to the pub or something I'll probably want something more flashy and fitted. I don't think it's that we don't dress beautifully, it's just that generally the accepted style is a lot more casual for almost everything and that supportive garments don't really exist any more

[@LilSinger097]

@@dark_baphomet maybe we need to bring it back in style. Personally I found my back and bust hurt a lot less when I started wearing stays. (I'm a big chested gal) I no longer had the issues I had with bras. But now I'm pregnant I'm finding it difficult to find patterns for pregnancy stays so that I can still have that same level of comfort and support

[@stephieg]

I have a corset that I wear sometimes for back pain, it is actually quite comfortable, we keep the laces at the right position and just hook it up the front. It is very supportive.

[@BreakofDawn]

Yeah, tight lacing was not common practice and the extremely small waist was created by illusion. It’s supposed to be comfortable and you’re supposed to breathe just fine, if not then either you’re not wearing it right or it’s not the right type of corset for you

[@likemelikeyou]

Have you seen Bernadette Banner's videos on corsets? She has a curved spine and was in a hard medical corset for years. I think that's where her interest came from. She talks about how much relief she got from it, and didn't want to give it up.

[@jessicacornell2056]

Ms. B. I've been sitting with for three or four years now, and I tells ya, every time feels like the first time. In all seriousness, I'm literally sitting here folding laundry with a cup of coffee, and it's like my BFF has just plopped down in front of me, and is, like, "Gurl... list. en." Thank you for all that you do!

[@sdcard1984]

"I have a questionable search history, I'm definitely on a list somewhere" Same girl, same

[@totallynotspooked]

I needed a new dark history episode. Otherwise I might die from adhd boredom while drowning in work. Thank you Bailey!!

[@BaileySarian]

Okay well, don't die 🤗😗

[@solene2014]

@@BaileySarian quand est-ce que la quatrième saison d'histoire sombre sera disponible

[@solene2014]

@@BaileySarian Tatie Bailey moi aussi je veux un cœur puis-je reçevoir un merci 😊

[@SorchaRattigan]

ADHDers uniteeeeee 🎉

[@chubbledehdehx309]

​@@SorchaRattigan🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@tripleacosplay]

I was surprised you didn't mention the hairline plucking when you talked about Queen Elizabeth! A high forehead was a sign of beauty, so they would tweeze their hairline to be higher and sometimes even tweeze their eyebrows off because it made their forehead look larger!

[@hmbogi]

I have a giant forehead. Wish this was still considered beautiful 😊

[@jowelynespiritu5509]

​@@hmbogiyeah hahahahaa

[@kaxiong2174]

​@@hmbogiSamesies. It's so embarrassing to see the light bounce off my giant forehead in video calls. 😂

[@m.i.n.9000]

it is tho.. isn't it? lol idk, I find it really beautiful in all genders

[@tinkercat8268]

@@hmbogidudes are shaving their hairlines it looks so goofy 😂

[@jess50495]

Hi! I’ve just come here to say yay! You mentioned sugaring! I am a cosmetologist who specializes in hair removal with sugaring. The best sugaring is where you just use the ball of sugar to remove the hair and no cloth to rip it off! Sugaring is the best! Wayyyy better than wax.

[@sundaysundaesundaaay6424]

Oh! Neck stretching should've been on here! I can't remember if it was a beauty standard but how remarkable.

[@Shaymundell-ni4qr]

It sure was and WAS SO MESSED UP

[@lindsayosterhoff2459]

I am actually wearing a corset right now. I use it to ease chronic back pain. If one wears a corset that is the proper size and style for their body type it can actually be quite beneficial, safe, and comfortable. I'd highly suggest people do more research since much of the info in this video is incorrect.

[@marylhere]

I was going to say that the corsett my grandmother wore required a prescription from a doctor in the nineties.

[@AprilAiteen]

I’ve worn a corset for years. No more back pain!

[@dreamcometrue461]

And like usual people continue to spread misinformation on corsets 😕

[@techladytaetae1094]

But there are different types of corsets, and maybe Bailey should have specified that. But she’s spot on about the history of corsets worn for aesthetic. The other types of corsets were used in many cultures for women who were recovering from childbirth. There are also ones men and women wore for back pain (my pops wore them when he was alive and working). To say the info is completely wrong is in and of itself incorrect, humbly and respectfully speaking.

[@DocHolliday1851]

On top of this, tight lacing can be comfortable for some folks. Not everyone ofc. I'm usually laced down 7 or 8 inches daily. I have a long torso which makes this even easier. I'm not in pain and can breathe & function fine.

[@demie06]

bailey always uploads at the right time

[@kirstynicholson1050]

Right??🎉

[@Starfire004]

I swearrrr 😂

[@cosmicnic]

i am feeding a teething and very picky baby so this will keep me sane 🫠

[@ellerycaron48]

Was gonna say this

[@bri-dc6se]

she really does!! ive got time to listen before work today 😭

[@maddieroxx4eva]

My grandma fondly remembers watching her two sisters getting ready for the dance as a young girl, putting leg makeup on each others legs and using eyeliner to draw a line up the back of them to mimic the pantyhose that they weren't able to get their hands on.

[@angelaseymour4464]

Yes the Greatest Generation made do with very little through a LOT of hard years. And so many young men….. so ALIVE and then just NOT in WWII. My parents were in this Generation and they never wasted a nickel, even when we had a great deal of money. Amazing people. My Mothrr and Daddy were the two finest people I’ve ever known.

[@hunniebunnie8140]

My mom used to be really rough when she would brush and style my hair and would always tell me that beauty is pain. One day she said this and my response was then I don't want to be beautiful! After that she let me brush my own hair and stopped pushing for me to dress a certain way.

[@crystallina2920]

My ex gave me confidence that I was beautiful without all the eyelashes and nails, so I embraced it to this day. When I do that, I do it for me.

[@raynaanaya1308]

Beauty comes from within one's heart ♥

[@TwizzlerGirl]

My ex did the same thing for me! And my name is Crystal also 🤗

[@crystallina2920]

​@TwizzlerGirl Beautiful ❤ Our broken hearts has definitely made us stronger and more vibrant.

[@user-vo7rz5kg8b]

Mind of I ask why is the ex an ex?

[@GenXfrom75]

Girl, I was a 38GGG when I finally got my reduction in 2009… to a nice, comfy 36C!! I can wear cute and inexpensive bras now! 🎉🎉🎉

[@emmmmuuuuhhhh]

bailey, please do this forever. now that i’ll never go to school again i love that i’m still learning every week with you!

[@cherisserich4912]

I personally stopped shaving years ago, and found myself specifically shaving for other girls, and their catty comments. My SIL saw how hairy my legs were before my wedding and asked me if I was going to shave, and I said probably not. I just don't like all the stuff that comes with hair removal, and the secondary pain, like ingrown hairs, razor burn, and friction burn. I am grateful I started doing what makes me comfortable in my body, and I hope others are living that way too, hairy or hairless.

[@kelelizabeth]

Girl, your humor was on point today! Thanks for all the laughs! (And the history lesson 😉)

[@jillogicaljelly3627]

***I love you so much Bailey! But I do have to say, for the sake of accuracy, tight laced corseting was not the majority. It was very extreme beauty standards that some people would take too far. Much like how we have some awesome crazies who wear insanely high heels. Most women back then wore corsets that were the measurement of their natural waist, but actually padded out the bust and hip area. It could be extremely comfortable, depending on if it fit you properly. Foot binding was way more widespread then tight lacing was. The reason you get those crazy pictures that show women with teeny teeny tiny waists, was they would actually doctor the images like photoshopping. They would try to have a very plain background so that they could color in parts of the waist to make it much smaller than it is possible. Most women who tight laced were actresses or in the public eye, which is why we see those (possibly doctored) pictures. Victorians really weren't very different from us. Lol! If the corset is made well, it only shifts soft skin to wear it's comfortable. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. 😆

[@rondaks3757]

Sing it, Sister!!! I'm sick of corsets being the villian 🙄 And yes, I do wear them with certain outfits. 😁

[@dandantsm6560]

YEP! pretty much THIS! I was so sad seing that Bailey was following this type of misleading research :') but it's ok we can let her know the truth

[@dandantsm6560]

Also i don't know how her team managed to make research on corsets without stumbling upon the very popular informations we have nowdays about corsets, especially with channels like the ones of Karolina Żebrowska and Bernadette Banner existing! Maybe they just wanted to give people some shocking info and sacrificed the truth in favour of a more appealing narrative.

[@eponine318]

@@dandantsm6560 I think you hit the nail on the head with this. Now people will believe it because it's shocking and this channel will be doing the same thing they claim history books did - misinformation. But I still love Bailey herself :)

[@AN-tw7uj]

@@eponine318 Kinda makes you wonder what else the research team might have gotten wrong for the sake of clicks and views.

[@lindsaytoles2023]

My grandmother always said, "Beauty before pain" anytime I complained. She didn't explain that I was supposed to suffer, it was just implied.

[@Nuwakaa]

I can’t wait for the next dark history! I’m a master cosmetologist that specializes in natural nails and in school they taught us the history of cosmetology but we didn’t really dive into nails and how that started so I’m super interested!

[@daniellemartin9896]

Dakota Johnson's grandmother is basically the fairy godmother of American nail salons. So interesting

[@gatheredupinthegloom]

I look forward to dress historians reacting to the corsetry section of this video. I hope they do, at least. I don't know if comments about how wrong it was will result in anything when the video's already here, with a quote from an author who has the gall to compare foot binding to corsetry, who is, oddly enough, an author of books on women's history. But she's not a dress historian, that's for sure. Considering the other articles on the Smithsonian site that literally dispel those same myths, it's disappointing they left that in her article or allowed it on their site. It's misinformation.

[@KikMa93]

Exactly! Most of the info about corsets she presented is wrong...

[@ak451f]

I didn’t know much about corsets, but I knew enough to raise my eyebrows at comparing it to foot binding. Even if the worst rumors were true, it’s nowhere close. Did 1 out of every ten women die from corsets? Was there generational trauma bonding? FGM is more comparable to foot binding.

[@charlotteazzaro]

The funny thing about the Victorian and Edwardian eras is that you didn't actually want to look too thin, because that made you look poor. You can see plainly from images of the time that people who were considered beautiful were actually more on the plump side. Additionally, even larger women still wore corsets. It didn't make them thinner, it simply changed the shape of what was there and supported all the skirts and layers. Up until the invention of the crinoline in the 1850s, corsets were very necessary as they kept the weight of the many, many, many heavy starched petticoats from cutting into your waist. They did have many downsides, but what people fail to accept is that they were both practical and needed for the rest of the outfit to function. Even working class women wore corsets. Women performing extreme sports wore corsets. It didn't prevent them from living their lives any more than bras do now. In fact, they are generally safer than stuff like shapeware, because they kept the pressure off of areas that shouldn't have it (look into why frontlacing corsets are dangerous if you're interested), were made of breathable materials that wicked sweat (yes, there were sumer corsets), and they were made to individual fits (there were off-the-rack ones, but they could be altered).

[@IceNixie0102]

YES thank you. I so annoyed by Bailey's assessment, I think I'm gonna go watch a different video because now I feel like I can't trust her...

[@nataliep501]

​@@IceNixie0102Why were you so triggered? Most women would prefer not to wear a corset. It's painful and restrictive.

[@StarSphere222]

@@nataliep501 Most women would prefer not to wear ill-fitting corsets that were not made for their body. If you actually read the first comment you would learn that women, including me, did EVERYTHING in them, including working and sports. I have worn a corset everyday for bust and back support as, I dont wear bras, for over 13 years! They are nowhere near restrictive and painful when worn correctly and obviously, like any garment, fitted properly. Its triggering because with someone like Bailey who has a whole research team that helps her dig up accurate info, I find it disappointing that there is so much well researched and accurate info on corsets all over the place now, and she had to include the ignorant misinformed info in her video instead...breeding more ignorance and scaring more people such as yourself. I wouldn't say I don't trust her, I just believe she may add certain false details for shock or entertainment.

[@Palajsam18]

Thank you for this. I’d also love to hear more about beauty standards over time, why we shave, why we wear makeup, neck stretching, etc.

[@mandiebolt9996]

Neck stretching is cultural. From my understanding, and I’m no expert, is mostly linked to the African cultural. Don’t come for me, I’m not an expert.

[@JessDAblessed710]

BAILEY!!!! Pretty please will you do a behind-the-scenes of dark history and dying to know what Joey Scavusso looks like!!! And meet the rest of your crew and hear them talk about what it’s like doing the show with you🙏🙏🏻🙏🏼🙏🏾🙏🏿🙏🏽🙏🏻🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🏽

[@stephaniec0625]

That's a great idea ❤

[@GOTHICC1]

Bailey is back to slay with looks and storytelling on this Thursday afternoon💜🖤

[@solene2014]

J'adore cet épisode sur les beautés inhabituelles Tatie Bailey merci j'ai déjà suggèrer ce thème sur les normes de beautés insolite à travers le monde avant ❤❤😊

[@daniellestates246]

Thank goodness we have Bailey

[@ashleypiper876]

Nothing like a little Bailey to brighten my day 🥰

[@silentgypsy]

My family is Egyptian and we still do sugaring only we don't use cloth. We just knead the sugar wax until it goes cloudy and then you just spread, rip and reuse the same piece for like a whole leg 😂

[@Slinky_Loki1967]

I'd highly recommend anyone concerned about the prevalence of tightlacing watch Bernadette Banner's video on corset myths. Properly fitted corsets are comfortable, supportive, and perfectly harmless!

[@rachymn7883]

Yes but..if women were told the smaller the better they will make it smaller..

[@ralexandra1058]

I suggested Bernadette as well!

[@ralexandra1058]

@@rachymn7883well no- it wasn’t about size but rather the shape. Women achieved that shape by padding other areas of the body- which gave the illusion of that shape. Look into it- historically speaking; that’s what women did. Tight lacing was an extreme minority- rare in practice.

[@truesavings1988]

I wear corsets all the time, I love them!! Mystic city corsets are so nice and quality for the price point❤

[@IVEmeritus]

I love MCC. For their price, they're built like workhorses, have so many options for many body types, and look fashionable.

[@truesavings1988]

@@IVEmeritus heck yes, I have so many, I had to unfollow just so I’d stop buying them every few months

[@IVEmeritus]

@@truesavings1988 Same here, haha

[@user-qz9no7cj9i]

You are awesome! My high schooler homeschools and we actually use your podcasts for her history and social studies credits. Way more fun than a book in a classroom that is clearly biased!

[@jenniferperkins2391]

Bailey tight lacing was not super common. They stuffed their corsets with padding and used padding with crinolines to give the appearance of a tiny shape. You can dress yourself it’s just more difficult…

[@ralexandra1058]

Yes! All women wore stays/corsets… regardless of social standing. Thanks for making this correction!

[@jianubianca5218]

Cannot waitttt for the Dark History of Nail Salons!!! But Bailey we need one with hair dye!!!

[@REP090]

The Swan was absolutely feral, I loved it. In hindsight - so scary.

[@jayadora]

Your palette with Melt made my "best of 23" list as NUMBER 1. great work Bailey. It's incredible

[@TruGhost.]

I just wana say that I'm glad to see my fav teacher bk and I'm glad I'm hideous! I don't worry bout my looks or how anyone else looks. TRUE beauty goes beyond appearance (just my opinion!). We are who we are and look how we look (the personality makes us who we are). If you try to please everyone, you'll please noone. Send much love to Joan n Paul, too. Best wishes. 🖤🤐😈👻.

[@Steph_9612]

Ive always been amazed by the story of foot binding. Can't imagine ever doing this to my child! Mind blowing

[@kateybug092]

Have you read Ties That Bind, Ties That Break?

[@purplebroccoli5425]

Not Paul’s crotch being censored 🤣🤣🤣 i can’ttttt Love you Bailey!💜

[@CryptidCafe]

During World War II, nylon was used extensively for parachutes and other war materials, such as airplane cords and ropes. I was curious so I Googled.

[@KaTaLiNaCaMpOs99]

SOOO GLAD YOU MADE THIS VIDEO, I think about foot binding as soon as I think about beauty is pain

[@sailormf]

I love Bailey telling us how lucky we are before letting her girls drop 🖤

[@biancamunoz1009]

Hi Bailey loving the melt lipsticks I didn't want to use them but they are all so beautiful just want to let you know you're awesome and you got me and my man watching Dark History as soon as it drops! Much love from a fellow Sag!!!❤🎉

[@Raev222]

I have chosen to be celibate for over a year now, and nothing about my grooming has changed. So I'm pretty certain I do it for myself. I was already pretty sure about that before as well because I wouldn't necessarily shave ny legs or trim my cooch or pits before a date if I didn't feel like it. Take it or leave it lol. I'm tired.

[@bythehorns4200]

I’m tired. Haha. That’s the perfect ending to that. “Boy…I’m tired. Take or leave the hair.” Haha. Love it.

[@elisabethfinn6702]

I've been celebrate for 15 yrs

[@suelangford100]

I don't know why but this has been my favourite story you've covered yet. You made me laugh so many times, and yes I knew much of this history but the thread of putting it together was very interesting. Thank you Bailey x

[@jowelynespiritu5509]

I love how Bailey usually tells stories. She doesn't need creepy bg music and creepy tone of voice which makes the story lighter and bearable eventho the story itself is depressing.

[@krystalwilliamson6017]

I think this is my favorite episode so far. I laughed so much, but also we as women go THROUGH it.

[@alleycat616]

It’s absolutely monstrous this was done to children. Inexcusable.

[@brianachaney8129]

Hey Bailey 😁 I listened to your podcasts and MM&M videos everyday throughout my pregnancy full blast while driving back from Houston to San Antonio. My, now, 5 month old is very familiar with your voice and naps when I play your videos ❤ thank you for being a soother for my son 🤗

[@kaylahull1817]

Paul is trying to outdo Joan over there 👀 I'm so excited about next weeks episode. This one was very interesting! I can't believe the history on body hair, also bailey love your makeup you're so beautiful!

[@groomergirl6642]

"Oh, Bailey. There has to be a better way." Crossed my mind several times during this episode.

[@nancarter5474]

Bailey thank you for making dark history so informative and amusing. No one does that better than you!

[@CraftsBySammie]

Bailey! I've seen all of your videos and !nd listened to all the podcasts, I could listen to you talk about anything! Thanks for giving us something to look forward to on Wednesdays/Thursdays and every other Monday ❤

[@IVEmeritus]

Lol, I actually do wear proper waist training corsets. It's been years now and I can comfortably do high reductions (having a long torso helps). There's no need to do any reduction if one doesn't want that though. Most Victorian women didn't reduce. If you feel pain or can't breathe while in a corset, then something is wrong. Remember, women had to sing opera, do house work, haul heavy buckets of water, etc. all in corsets. Some men also historically wore them for back problems, high society, proto on job safety braces, etc. Corsets need to be picked based on your specific measurements. What fits me will cause pain for you (get as close to your measurements as possible if you buy off the rack instead of bespoke). You also MUST wear a layer between you and the corset. It will rub your skin raw if not. I can run, sing, eat, and breathe fine in a corset.

[@alyssawayne4502]

Just in rehab watching Bailey

[@isabelledoiron1607]

Loved the closing part. You are us so you ARE beautiful. Your work is important. Keep those ankles warm 😊❤

[@karissasingleton4004]

I’m wearing a corset right now lol It really helps to contour your body into that hourglass shape⌛️

[@shaec3405]

Is that like a waist trainer?

[@DocHolliday1851]

@@shaec3405 Yes and no. You _can_ waist train in a corset. I wear one designed for that & tight lacing (I'm usually laced down 7" or 8" everyday). Not all corsets are made for this though. Imo, waist trainers are great for beginners looking into getting into waist training corsets. These type of corsets are for those who are serious. Historic corsets weren't this extreme.

[@kaypalacios6990]

I'd totally watch a beauty standards part 2 episode, there are just so many!

[@pumpkinpatch2203]

I need a collab between Dark History and Puppet History

[@KrissyBean10]

❤

[@stephanieplunkett3113]

Honestly, this is one of my favorite videos that you've done. Thank you for always posting great content. 🎉🎉

[@shannonraby5547]

😂😂😂 "Men wearing corsets" you giggled, and then I giggled

[@raru7625]

There was a horror movie in the Philippines, the girl with lotus feet it literally traumatized me. Amazing episode Bailey.

[@meganthewriter589]

I'd love for you to do a dark history of reality TV shows - there are so many that have dark things happen behind the scenes, or in the aftermath of them. I think it would be a super interesting episode! Or how fake some of them are, like Judge Judy using actors.

[@apeterson09]

I love all of your videos, but this one is definitely one of my faves! Thank you Bailey!

[@hellboygrim666]

Bailey you are the best! Legit my most favorite person to listen to about Dark History or true crime. 😊❤

[@us3r8620]

I didn’t know I need this dark history but I’m so happy you put it out!!

[@DeadboltDame]

I cant wait for the nail salon episode! I'm a polish hoarder. Over 250+ bottles and I'm NOT a nail artist. Just a "polish enthusiast".

[@christyjohnson5618]

I have 73 shades of red

[@DeadboltDame]

@@christyjohnson5618 people don't realize how many variations there are at the same color. 😂

[@akrummenacker]

Hey Bailey, both loved and was horrified by this episode. I took both Womens Studies and Womens History classes in college and had heard a lot of this, but you really did a great deep dive on these practices and the repercussions for the ladies. Also, love your humor, much appreciated because some of these were seriously horrific. Looking forward to the Nail Salon story, and yes please go for that Walmart Dark History. I often wondered how many other Walmart type businesses there have been over the decades. Great job.

[@kylerellese8882]

I was a ballet dancer for 18 years. We had to wear corsets with our traditional platter tutus. Trying to breathe and dance was fun lol.

[@Krys-tlc1981]

Bailey, ur vids are my fav! Sitting here watching em. Is like u shooting the sh!t w/me like a lifelong gf! Im a fan since 200,000 subs. & now look 👀....congrats on all ur success daily, yearly, forever. Keep informing us inspiring us & makin us feel like one of ur besties! Sending hugs from BC Canada 🇨🇦

[@TwizzlerGirl]

Wow a real OG fan! I found Bailey when she was just under a million subs

[@marceyvogt2007]

Fashion can be real torture. . Thank you Bailey. Looking forward to next week. ☮️💖🎶

[@melissadropdead4619]

This was such a fun episode!😂 Thanks, Bailey for the laughs! I needed this more than you know! ❤

[@littbitterst2328]

Seriously.. cheers to you, Bailey!! I truly thought I knew it all on corsets! I wear them, I studied them....but I learned A LOT from this video!!! YOU ARE AMAZING♡♡

[@rachaelkohl4876]

Just so distracted by Paul's bikini being blurred out 🤣🤣🤣 Bailey staaaaap 🤣🤣🤣

[@markietaylor3411]

I'm so glad you did a Dark History on Beauty back in the olden days! LOVE IT!!!

[@MareCat31]

So i tend to listen to these episodes as the audio version. But every so often you will say something that makes me think "i really should be watching the video version". Thanks for always being interesting regardless the format.

[@LeeseUhLeeseUh]

I can’t wait to hear this!!!! This was my dad’s thing to say to me as a kid when I complained about stockings.

[@RyneKlym]

Fun fashion fact from the 40's: nylons had seams in the back up the legs, so when nylons became unavailable during the war, women would take a yard stick and draw lines up the back of their legs to make it look like they were wearing nylons. Had to do it in theatre for a show.

[@themadmadamemim2630]

The Swan fked me all the way up. I was 20 years old and just had a baby. I hadn't felt that my body was such a train wreck until I watched that. I can't imagine how it would have affected me if insta had been a thing then.

[@ultraviolettas]

I was 12 and started making lists of what I needed done 😭

[@elizabethwillis885]

I really really wanted to be on the swan. I’m so glad I never did. I’m fine the way I am. But my self confidence was so bad when I watched that show.

[@pihlaedith]

watching all this foot stuff while being on sick leave with a broken foot just hits ✨ differently ✨ 😭😭😭

[@mtolentino6396]

You are really amazing, Bailey. Keep doing what you love best. 😊

[@Plantbasedrose]

I was due for some Bailey. I also love the Idea that Paul is the Peanut, Bailey is the butter, and Joan is the jelly! Bailey would be the butter. Best part. 😂❤

[@mikikiki7750]

Sugaring is the only way of hair removal that I have ever tried and everybody always told me it’s healthier for the skin because it only removes hair while waxing removes parts of skin 😊

[@shaec3405]

We do in Michigan

[@daniellemartin9896]

​@@user-zg9st8ox3msugaring is definitely available in NC and has been for years. It depends on where you are obviously. But to say the whole state doesn't have it is very silly

[@sarahdenzer3705]

Your laugh, when talking about corsets, and the army was the best laugh ever!

[@edork01]

Work was bliss today. Thanks Bailey

[@nellyjacobs20]

One day, Bailey will notice I exist 😂❤️ Awesome episode! It’s crazy how far people will go to keep up with Beauty standards now days and even back then.