We've Been Here Before- America's Fight Against Fascism: With Rachel Maddow

Michael speaks with Rachel Maddow about her new book, "Prequel: An American Fight Against Fascism." The pair discuss how modern-day efforts to undermine democracy have a prequel dating back to before and during World War II when an ultra-right authoritarian movement tried to steer our nation toward an alliance with the Nazis. Rachel describes how members of congress got involved in spreading Nazi propaganda, how Henry Ford spread anti-semitism throughout the U.S and Germany and the figures who made sure we saved ourselves from ourselves.
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[@betticaroltaylor9681]

As a child in the early 1940's, a precocious little kid with big ears, who adored her teacher father, way back in southeastern SD, for whom World War II was the war of my childhood with exposure to everything that turned up on the "magic radio box" -- I can still remember the contempt in my father's voice when he spoke of Father Coughlin, Henry Ford, Linburgh and the rest of that crowd -- and now, as an 80-something trained historian, listening to tonight's discussion, I am astonished at how tuned in my quiet, book-ish teacher dad must have been to the negative dynamics in the midst of his solid, upstanding Midwestern world..... And I'm thinking that maybe he was a great deal better educated and far more savvy than I would ever have thought possible. Thank you for this parallel discussion which not only provides great contemporary background but also provides a measure of hope that perhaps we in 21st century America are not quite as dumb as we have been behaving. And perhaps we will actually be able to save our democracy.....

[@mytwocents848]

We are not "as dumb" as those who would destroy our country and our democracy think we are. As with your dad, many, many Americans see through this plot. We won't be "talked out" of our votes and our rights under our Constitution.

[@donofon1014]

I adore your dad like mine .. who watching the CBS evening news with me after supper was enraged by Bull Conner and the dogs and the fire hoses. I was 11 and 12 getting a moral education no Sunday ever provided.

[@Anabee3]

WOW! RARELY do I pause the video so I can fully absorb a comment. What a gifted writer you are! What a treat! I assume you give your father great, rightful, due credit, as do I. I also give YOU great & rightful credit. You didn't HAVE TO learn from him, or even pay attn., but you obviously did and are delighting the world with such an important, appreciated gift passed on from him. Thank you.

[@kellyharper367]

Thank you for sharing your story. What a shining star you must be. Shine on 🌟!!!

[@lynnyhen]

I am so moved by your comment. Thank you for sharing.

[@kcuzz4091]

This is why our journalists have to be protected.

[@fredgarvinMP]

Rachel is 100% safe, don't worry.

[@lillysmith5734]

​@@fredgarvinMP. But I do worry. I know the value of our first amendment and the ones who follow it. We have to stay vigilant, we have to.

[@BarbaraCarrier-ld9sr]

Exactly! You know we're in trouble when the dear leader keeps saying "the press is the enemy of the people".

[@fredgarvinMP]

@@lillysmith5734 Are you familiar with the Missouri v. Biden case?

[@alicewood1665]

This is the very reason why we need to teach history accurately. If we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat it. We need to learn the hard stuff, that offends us or makes us uncomfortable.

[@andrew_owens7680]

Children should learn in this order: geography, history, civics, philosophy, language, STEM. Without all of those things, you can't be a complete human.

[@alicewood1665]

@@andrew_owens7680 I agree some life skills would be helpful too. I have friends who's kids said they never taught them how to make a budget or balance a checkbook.

[@tekhegaye9003]

Well said. Banning books on motion by republicans is where to start.

[@basedgamerguy818]

@@alicewood1665 balancing a checkbook isn't a skill children need to learn. I'm in my late 30's and I don't have a checkbook and haven't needed one in a decade.

[@alicewood1665]

@@basedgamerguy818 perhaps not a checkbook these days,but kids still need to understand how a bank account works just because your account shows money in your account when you look at it doesn't mean you don't have a charge that hasn't cleared. My daughter found this out the hard way. I have just seen way too many children who haven't been taught basic life skills, or coping skills. With the philosophy that everyone is a winner and no one is a loser, aka everyone gets a trophy; when a person gets into the real world it's just simply not the case and we see more anger and depression. It's almost like we are setting kids up to fail in some cases. Not every child fits this perspective for sure and society's demands on a family that requires two working parents is a big challenge. I remember my daughter yelling at me for saying no to something. She said I wasn't being fair even though I told her the spending limit before we went in the store. I told her in front of everyone life isn't fair, if it was fair I would have millions of dollars and not have to deal with all the BS I deal with daily, but guess what life isn't fair! My daughter has grown up since then and she told me even though she was mad at the time it was a valuable lesson in life.

[@ronbotello8513]

Europe and America beat fascism back in 1945. But it wasn't destroyed, it merely went underground. Chumpster allowed them to come back to the surface.

[@robertolsen3765]

"Those that fail to learn history, are doomed to repeat it" - Winston Churchill

[@roystonmason9125]

well that is exactly what w have here in GAZA genocide

[@tommonk7651]

It was actually George Santayana - "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

[@swisskiwi1478]

I seem to remember it being attributed to a philosopher in Ancient Greece, Aristotle? But whatever, it’s still true.

[@GtrPknMama]

We must be vigilant in rooting out fascism! Always!

[@roystonmason9125]

genocide 2023 yeah babay

[@pecquet-dubalaix8288]

Do you mean like what Biden says about his New World Order ?

[@deloreswillis9224]

Indeed‼️

[@congodrums01]

Rachel is a national treasure. Thank you for all your work!

[@moodist1er]

🤡💩🐑

[@bryanlongshore6198]

A national disgrace .....like the rest of the ignorant uninformed Democraps in my country....

[@Catcher814]

Rachel's a Parrot Propagandist.

[@tdearsan]

@@Catcher814 and you are a troll

[@marthawolfsen5809]

@@Catcher814whom is she parroting?

[@tamarrajames3590]

Rachel is one of the most astute political minds in our time. She represents good old fashioned investigative journalism as it should be. Her diligent research for the roots and parallels of current political realities in the past gives a broader perspective than most available discourse today. Thank you for having her.🖤🇨🇦

[@bdizzle9586]

Yes, her defence of her ‘good friend’, Tucker “The 4th Reich starts here” Carlson was quite the eye opener

[@dougthomson5544]

I think that the critical caveat here is that while this is has happened before, there is absolutely no guarantee that the outcome will be the same today. Our responsibility to participate in democracy and ultimately to vote has never been more important.

[@billlink4271]

My biggest takeaways from this historical horror novel & its companion podcast "Ultra," is the courts didn't save us then, and will not save us now.

[@thomascarlisle7895]

If we can even keep the vote which is also under siege.

[@karenqualls1557]

Vote Blue down the ballot!

[@rain1956]

There was no internet and social media/algorithms last time to amp up the propaganda. And now AI.

[@dthomas9230]

@@billlink4271#45 appointed 30% of the current DOJ who are bought and paid for.

[@dianaanderson2359]

Rachel Maddow is one of my personal heroes. I also appreciate Michael's down to earth and realistic take on today's politics. Truth and Honor.

[@katiecannon8186]

Has he taken responsibility for his support of right wing politics that gave rise to Trump?

[@Ordo-fx7ol]

I agree. Rahcel is absolutely genius!

[@betsyborkiewicz8835]

⁠​⁠@@katiecannon8186 How has he in particular responsible for the rise of tRump? Wow that’s quite an accusation. It’s a lot deeper than that! Consider the Reds like Bannon, Manafort, Flynn,Roger Stone & that despicable Stephen Miller etc were thinking like traitors & future takeover. They wanted to raise up a civil war & still do today.

[@lbjcb5]

Rachel Maddow is a treasure! She also mentions the great Americans who fought against the ultra-right movement before. I'm also thankful she's bringing these stories to the surface.

[@245Carol]

Rachel Maddow tells you what she wants you to hear.

[@lyndamedley543]

​@@245Carol your point?

[@dthomas9230]

@@245Carol That's her job, to offer truth in the face of an ignorant public that thinks fox is news.

[@martinmayfield1932]

@@dthomas9230sure ok. Its Fox News that is the enemy

[@kcuzz4091]

Yeah, every one of the Republican Reps in the House who voted to Not Certify the 2020 Election should get the boot!💙🇺🇸💙🇺🇸💙

[@KAMMD]

💙 ! Johnson, Jordan, McCarthy, Cawthorn, Gaetz Boebert, Greene! Reasons to vote Blue once more in 2024 ! 💙

[@pecquet-dubalaix8288]

All the 380+ members of Congress who did not uphold their Sworn Oaths to the Constitution as well.

[@phil20_20]

Let's not forget all those corrupt Senators who didn't convict in either impeachment hearing. If you can't govern, you shouldn't be in office.

[@pecquet-dubalaix8288]

Failed Impeachment because it was Fake. Would you convict ?@@phil20_20

[@davemartino5997]

Democrats tried not to verify the 2016 election but that’s all good because it as trump . Sit down Demtard

[@coolcustomer8131]

i am 71 years, am totally engrossed with the interview with rachael & Michael

[@hazellove2144]

Teach your children well. Truthful history isn't always pretty. An informed electorate protects our nation. There is nothing new under the sun. Thank you Rachel & Michael.

[@Fatdog-Dakind]

Just look at what has happened to our country & World since this Nazi Trump opened his ugly mouth?

[@bytheirwordsbelievethem1335]

You need to get some education first to teach your children well. These 2 hollow Individuals are incapable of embracing truth. So get yourself a tutor so you can help your kids. Start with the word fascism.

[@imperialmotoring3789]

Yes! Fascism is the end result of Socialism and Communism, not American Constitutionalism!

[@thomasbradley2225]

Fancy that.

[@Bholaday44]

Right on!

[@CQ-369]

First thing tomorrow, I'm buying Rachel's book. This is a great example of "Knowledge is power", We must remain well armed. 📚

[@katiecannon8186]

I’d recommend Stephanie Kelton’s “The Deficit Myth” It’s extremely important that average folks understand that our government issues our national currency whenever Congress votes to do so. We use government issued dollars to shop, pay our banks back, pay tax & buy treasury bonds. We can always afford to spend like WWII & keep inflation in check. America can not go broke.

[@missmary2877]

​@@katiecannon8186wtf does the American fiat currency have to do with this?

[@katiecannon8186]

@@missmary2877 Knowledge is power. And it would be far easier to fight back against the radical right if we don’t fall for their myths about not being able to afford a decent life

[@timfuscaldo3024]

@@katiecannon8186 You must be commenting on another video and got your postings mixed up.

[@aleysb]

I listened to her reading it in Audible.

[@raulescandon4485]

Thank you, Rachel and Michael Steele, for reminding us that America's democracy has been seriously threatened before. Please add that in the past had to fight hard to save and preserve it, and so must all of us now.

[@sarahfuchs4196]

😮Is there ANY chance that we could Rachel to write history for high school students? I feel like my education was terribly lame!

[@user-tu4rn8ui9u]

Folks, I beg you, even if you can’t handle the democrats, please, for the sake of democracy and all of the countless Americans who have died for it, please don’t vote third party and vote blue. Not forever, just until the GOP reforms itself. Now is not the time to mess around, sit home, or “take a flyer.” Forget the odds and think about the stakes. As a mother with three young kids, please 🙏

[@nicknaque2261]

Ditto.

[@thomasbradley2225]

Vote GOP if you care about democracy.

[@arianaz4]

@@thomasbradley2225Don’t you have anything better to do?

[@thomasbradley2225]

actually recovering from an ischemic stroke ariana; which, although bedridden, leaves me leisure to address my fellow Americans@@arianaz4

[@ogyaherd9667]

​. Smokin somma that drumpf snit huh... 😮

[@joannamcdee9061]

What a wonderful hour: history, phsychology,politics, sociology and HUMOUR, with two delightful teachers. Thank you so much!

[@sabinemagpie]

I've been saying this for years. Not all Nazis went to South America. Thank you both for a great episode.

[@davidwilliams1086]

For sure. The US brought many here because they wanted to use them.

[@davemartino5997]

No they went to America

[@susanraby-dunne8180]

As above. Many were aided in getting to USA and Canada, in that case especially Ukrainian ones.

[@donofon1014]

This is pre war. The South American havens were for post Hitler. This is confusing the point.

[@donofon1014]

please distinguish between 1930's pre war Nazi agents and post war Nazi "assets".

[@christophergwala5531]

How lucky I am to watch these two beautiful people! Rachel Maddow and Michael Steele are great story tellers the country desperately needs.

[@kimbeebee8176]

I like Mr. Steele and enjoy seeing him on Bill Maher. Great ideas and normalcy and facts come from Steele. Rachel rocks because she too, is a truth seeker.

[@DaellusKnights]

Mr Steele greatly reminds me of a teacher I had back in Jr High, for whom I hold in great respect, who quite incidentally was ALSO named Mr Steele! And as you say, they are amazing storytellers like my grandparents tell me we used to have in abundance in their day (I'm a Christopher too! And I agree with you!) 😀

[@marthabird9243]

I love seeing the dropping of political party--- former GOP Chair and Rachel..... we need this dialogue always to keep our the USA a country where the Constitution has within it.... 'pursuit of happiness". Thank you. Please do this again when it comes to the Supreme Court and decisions pending.

[@margaretransom6500]

Michael Steele was a great Lt. Gov. of Maryland and still shines for his fairness and open-mindedness!

[@surlypiratewench1969]

And he’s damn funny! Have you seen his custom muppet? It’s hilarious. Looks jus like him. Except for the lavender skin😂

[@kayfitzgerald309]

​@@surlypiratewench1969and he's good looking 😊

[@surlypiratewench1969]

@@kayfitzgerald309 INDEED! Great dresser too . He always looks fresh

[@djensen470]

Michael Steele is hot!!

[@MetalRat518]

And he is just so great as usa murders tens of thousands of civilians,,,you innapropriate nuts

[@joyrobinson4585]

What a wonderful show this is! What, I ask, would we all do without MSNBC and its journalistic treasures like Rachel Maddow and you, Michael. I have been listening to various meetings with Rachel as she continues her book tour for Prequel. My favourites have been yours and the Chicago Humanities Festival. This Canadian relies on folks like you, Rachel and others who give me insights into the USA of today as we gaze south of our border with some trepidation. You folks may forget we're here but we never forget about you! Thanks to you both.

[@arthurbensauer7086]

As far as fascists are concerned America has more voters against them than for them! The alternative right DOES NOT RULE IN AMERICA. PERSONALLY I hate fascism because I BELIEVE ENTIRELY IN DEMOCRACY!

[@gaillouise8310]

I love Michael Steele as much as I do Rachel and I would never be a Republican!!

[@itsjustmet1743]

Thank you for empowering Americans spreading the facts to enlighten everyone and power to democracy and the people.

[@jeffwatkins352]

Of all the marvelous insights Rachel and Michael share during this podcast, the one we should keep foremost in our minds is this. When they tell you the "other" must be eradicated, what they're really telling you is "give up YOUR rights."

[@margaretcameron1275]

​@@nonya.biznessTell it Joni😊

[@jeffwatkins352]

@@nonya.bizness Your comment just says what my comment said in different words. I'm slightly baffled how that's "cynical."

[@jeffwatkins352]

@@nonya.bizness Agreed. In the land of the blind, the sighted person is ignored.

[@claremurray6357]

Absolutely...

[@user-rt5md9un3g]

Unbelievable! Rachel should be given an award for this book. Thank you! 🥰

[@bookwoman5130]

Thank you both for this history lesson. My father , a little over 100, a Jew who fought in WWII and then cleaned out concentration camps, died in 2022. He also told me time and time again about the parallels between what is happening today and 1933 and the natzis, including the "Silvershirts". No wonder he and my mom never bought a Ford!

[@imperialmotoring3789]

Yes! Antifa are Brownshirts and Hitler was a Socialist! I never bought a foreign car!

[@emmadek2646]

My (Dutch) father, being a teenage boy during WWII, whose brother had died as a soldier during the first weeks of the war, always refused to buy German cars. He was very pro-American, because the Americans had saved us. Because of that he bought Ford cars! If he had only known😢...

[@imperialmotoring3789]

@@emmadek2646 Ford made good cars and Trucks.

[@emmadek2646]

@@imperialmotoring3789 If the quality was the issue, he just as well could have bought German cars...

[@mv80401]

Ultra MAGA = MAGAZI

[@garycravener7221]

The frightening thing to me is that due to our whitewashed history, I, and most people, were never informed of these important facts while in school. Rachel's book is a groundbreaking, well-researched, and an important read for all Americans. It's also frightening that history is repeating itself today and that democracy is constantly at risk of slipping away.

[@lorainepino8153]

Thank you Rachel, this is stuff that should be covered in history class, I took every single history class in high school and never heard of this. I just bought your book, I can hardly wait for it to arrive.

[@davidlloyd7597]

I am a bit of a history buff and had bits and pieces of this but I haven't heard it laid out like this

[@debrajonet1497]

Same here!

[@katiedotson704]

The problem begins in preschool when our children are made to salute the American Flag as if it represents something infallible, of perfect moral character, and without blemish or blame. This idea is further embedded by the history classes where every action taken was for the good of our own citizens or the rest of the world. Just as the true character of Ford and Lindbergh are never mentioned, the bad decisions and intentional misdeeds of our country is never mentioned. No one can properly address a problem that they refuse exist.

[@mv80401]

Having grown up in Germany (with its particular history...) I always detested the saluting of the flag. Nationalism is a horrible curse on humanity.

[@andrewmidthune4340]

This exactly. The pledge is a relic of the 19th century, from before the cruel lessons of the dangers of nationalism in the 20th century.

[@claremurray6357]

Agree! I'm so upset by the whitewashing of American history that always made us look like heros, rather than the often greedy, vicious people they were.

[@Fiawordweaver]

My dad fought in WWII as a pilot. So I got mixed feelings about him being a hero to the family while hating Jewish people. We were brainwashed that the Jews were bad because they killed Jesus. Thank you Swedish Covenant Church. My 4 out of 5 brothers bought that narrative. I was born in 1952. I doubted so much of the stories coming out of our church, supposedly bible based. I couldn’t fact check because I never understood the Bible. What I did understand was sheer fear. I wasn’t good enough to get into heaven. Ergo, I struggled with guilt for being a bad Christian. I didn’t hate anyone. I was so disappointed with god because god only wanted Jesus believers to live in heaven with him. Now with knowing this history that Rachel has researched, the puzzle pieces fall into place. Father, pilot drank the nazi propaganda coolaid. Being Swedish he was the superior race. Ironically he marries a first generation Sicilian. We as kids weren’t allowed to visit our “ignorant “less than” siciliano grandparents except at Xmas or thanksgiving. Every frickin year there was a fight on the way to the family dinner and a fight on the way home until I left home at 18. I went to live near my brother who was not racist, in Hawaii far far away from IL. MY family was so toxic. My mother wasn’t any better, she hated Jewish people also. Thank you, Rachel❤🎉came back to say i bought the audible version of Prequel, narrated by Rachel. 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@thejoker-pd9df]

When are Christians going to learn that according to the tenants of their own precious book Jesus had to be killed in order to fulfill his purpose and die for their sins. It's ridiculous. "He died for our sins" "That god so loved the world...his only begotten son...". Good grief. Of course they killed Jesus. Someone was going to kill Jesus. That was the whole plan. So now their mad at the people who enacted the plan to the point where they vilify their descendants forever? " I hate being saved. Jesus should have lived. Lousy joose". Morons

[@dthomas9230]

Sweden is now 82% atheist. I'm an expat who raised two kids in Sweden and hatred is not a meme in Sweden. Hawaii was great when I lived there and Kamehaina aka local boys taught me a lot. I was always a Howlie but treated well IL is very religious, toxically so. My company tried to kill me by insisting on faith healing to treat my orthopedic disability and denying my Karolinska INstitute's proper rehab. American men are dying younger due to 90% with bone spurs being forced into higher power rehab, which kills. I'm now in Split, Croatia for a couple days and met a Ukranian gal as well as many more folks from cruise ships docking and the passengers flooding Riva. They all speak English, like Swedes do.

[@barrywassel3899]

Fia, lots of videos now here on youtube about idiotic christian religions, you will learn a lot, and not regret becoming an atheist, and hopefully learning that not all Swedes hate Jewish people. I came from the American quaker movement, and religion, and we were not taught to hate anyone. PS: I was born in the same year as you 😁

[@ruthcassidy6052]

First, big hug (if you want it) for growing up in a toxic family and escaping. My dad also fought in WWII. First I annoyed my folks by wanting to learn more about Japan, then I upset them by taking 4 years of German in high school. Mom was the outright racist (not so much about Jews as there were literally none of those around in our part of Pittsburgh, but definitely about Blacks) and Dad was the quiet racist who'd actually known some Blacks back in the day but other than that they weren't "our kind of people."

[@Fiawordweaver]

@@ruthcassidy6052 thank you for that hug. I took it across the sky filled with stars.

[@suezbell1]

Thank you Rachel Maddow and Michael Steel for this. Wish more people would hear your message -- it does need to be heard.

[@moodist1er]

🤡💩🐑

[@BarbaraCarrier-ld9sr]

AGREE

[@robertcarleo6846]

I have watched Rachel Maddow with joy in my heart from the time she was a frequent guest on MSNBC's, Keith Olbermann's show. She was always a direct, kind, smart and insightful guest at that time. She has taught me much over the years. Today, she is one of the best journalists and historians of our time. Unfortunately, the people I knew who considered themselves Republicans or Conservatives will not listen to her. To me, the reason is clear. She is a relentless truth seeker who has the courage to express clearly what she learns and knows. Her last book needs to be read by every American so we can extricate ourselves from this most recent disaster of Trumpian Republican politics. Years ago a different term would have been appropriate for what is happening in America.

[@danhirtle7825]

Rachel Maddow has cemented her spot in history by studying and expertly documenting this story for all future generations. The sad thing is how this part of our history was squashed and ultimately hidden from the country for 70+ years. I have to say that, while I am still shocked by the current political mess we are living through, I am comforted by the knowledge that it has happened before and the country persevered. Thank you Rachel

[@dfuher968]

The difference is, that back then ppl werent in a cult of personality. They actually cared about the fact, once they found out, hence why those traitors were all voted out. Today, any facts, that doesnt fit their cult, are dismissed as lies and fake news, and they truly do not care, they just want their guy to be dictator.

[@thomasbradley2225]

Uh huh.

[@MrBENTON78]

Nothing about the Concentration Camps of the Chinese, Italian and Germans during WWII. I hate how the right just wants to abolish the real history of the US. Or all the horrors of Slavery.

[@Ldnred]

Please let me simplify this. If America does not vote for President Joe Biden, Democracy will end. Reject all 3rd party candidates, or fascism will prevail. VOTE BLUE, OUR DEMOCRACY DEPENDS ON IT AND YOUR CHILDREN & GRANDCHILDREN ARE DEPENDING ON YOU! VOTE BLUE 💙💙💙💙🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@sheiladodds4186]

AMEN to that! BC Canada

[@surlypiratewench1969]

💙💪🏼💙🇺🇸❤️🤍💙

[@kidkong637]

Nothing matters more than this.

[@theresebortzfield188]

VERO vote blue

[@boblivingston4841]

Spot On !!!!!!!!

[@laurawhite739]

Love Rachael Maddow. ❤️ Thank you Michael for having her on. So smart. Both of you.❤❤

[@OldLady-um9kt]

One of the best videos I have seen all year. Thank you Rachel and Michael, love listening to smart people like you two wonderful people. Hugs

[@gailallen6350]

Any conversation with Rachel is riveting. And Michael Steele is awesome too. And I know she needs time to write these incredible books and make podcasts, but I really wish Rachel was on more than one night a week.

[@joeblow5087]

Me too.

[@DianaNavarro-ew9yz]

The Country needs much much more Michael Steel ,HIS OWN HOUR ON MSNBC!!!!

[@arlenewipfler5475]

Absolutely yes!

[@birdsndog5932]

Oh. Yes!

[@joannamcdee9061]

I am a Lib, but I have always listened to Rep. Michael Steele, disagreeing with some stances but trusting his integrity, his sincere, contemplative and moral core. I have never heard him degrade a debater from the other side, (except for Tantrump).

[@jodysheridan604]

Prequel is amazing, but why weren't we taught this when we were in school? What an incredible event in history. I agree with Michael, it's a frightening book to read and learn what we didn't know. Thank you Rachel.

[@patriciacampbell7883]

Brilliant! Can't wait to buy this book. Well done, Rachel!

[@stephanieunderland5999]

Eric Sevareid. Now that's a name i havent heard in years. A great journalist.

[@johnviktora6014]

You two make a great team!!! Don't stop!!!

[@lacm64]

People gravitate towards the simple answer. A small part of humans seek nuance,the majority want the easy choice. It’s very scary that so many are so malleable.

[@marthalucas1221]

🙏🏻🇺🇸❤️Thank you both for this important conversation🙌👍

[@rossr6616]

The Fascists will NEVER give up and we must remain vigilant FOREVER!

[@liviadix1433]

We all should know history. May be, and just may be, we may be able to avoid to repeat our worst mistakes.

[@lynnyhen]

Rachel Maddow is brilliant.

[@wandawelsh9209]

@lynnyhen She is especially in history. She's great about studying it and then sharing it with us. I dont necessarily like to ready history, but I love hearing her talk about it.

[@debrawhite6145]

An excellent and eye opening history lesson. This should be required reading.

[@NavaBromberger]

One of the best interviews I’ve ever heard ❤.

[@lindathalman3506]

So agree with itsmikeyv's comments earlier. I've learned history from Rachel Maddow that never ever came up in school in the States. I'm not a history major but read a lot more now that I'm retired and do travel a lot. It's so important to read some history! Given how crazy it is in the States right now, this history needs to be taught, re-learned for all. I now watch in total horror the American situation from abroad.... for 50 years now. It's frightening. Laughable. Mostly, frightening.Thank you Michael Steele for inviting Rachel Maddow to your program.

[@imperialmotoring3789]

Yes, the open border is the worst thing to ever happen to our nation!

[@245Carol]

@@imperialmotoring3789 - And you have Joe Biden to thank for that. FJB

[@wordsculpt]

@@245Carol Grow up.

[@245Carol]

@@wordsculpt - I am grown up. That's why I can see through her BS.

[@dolleyes5062]

​@@imperialmotoring3789Slavery and the Trail of Tears prove otherwise.

[@carolyork7623]

I wonder how many Congress and/or Senate insurrectionists will never be prosecuted? That enrages me.

[@virginiashuford1438]

❤

[@amandabosca1714]

Justice takes a lot of work and time. I'm hopeful that in coming years the "unindicted defendants" and finally the Congress and/ or Senate insurrectionists will have their day in court but at least we can vote them out of office.

[@lindawhite8272]

At least a third from the House and the Senate, but from the Federal Congress and State Congresses. Unfortunately, they will never be held accountable.

[@andremorrison7626]

This was great. Learned so many things about our history. Thank you Rachel and Michael! ✌🏽

[@7MoonSonoma]

The are the best!

[@theqdog100]

I'm glad to see Mike Steele go from uncle-tom to freedom fighter

[@bherrin67]

Great conversation! Thanks to you both! 🇺🇸☮️❤️🌈

[@kathrynw3413]

This was a great show, thank you both! Please do it again and soon.

[@MsDAV2]

So engaging and educational. Great interview. Disturbing revelations.

[@williamchalker9364]

I have ordered the book. Thank you Rachel and thank you Chairman (brother) Steele. The book and podcast are hopeful. Americans can and must still take their destiny in their hands. All of us around the world are encouraged by the power of America’s example. Keeping going!

[@LADYKAT...]

What a delightful interview! Two of my favorites!!!

[@glennsmith1040]

During the rise of Hitler 10's of millions believed and wanted the strongman. In the, they regretted their choices, fled for survival, changed theirs names and desperately tried to forget it happened, their role and put it behind them.

[@sunnybelisle4007]

I received my copy of Rachel's book on October 17th!!!! Here's hoping that books like Rachel's and the many other journalists who have produced books crammed with information that exposes the sinister plot to destroy our country are in the hands of voters who will vote to save our country. Thank you all for the work you do. 🥰

[@sstarkey1695]

Amazing. My great grandfather worked for Ford in his administration of the Ford interests. I am shocked and sickened by this. I am buying Prequel.

[@MrBENTON78]

She's not talking about President Ford. It's Henry Ford the car tycoon.

[@beverlyyoung4989]

Great interview. Great chemistry. Aligned and factual. Loved it🎉

[@pitbull6098]

Trumpers call her Rachel MadCow but I read two of her books and listened to all the Pods yo, Rachel knows how to tie past, present and future together

[@wordsculpt]

When people disparage someone, it means that they seen as a threat. The 7th grade name calling indicates intelligence levels.

[@dolleyes5062]

​@@wordsculptThat's insulting-to 7th graders.

[@dannypomeroy9255]

She's our fight in factual intentions of Crimes against Americans and or the World ........FOOL'S 4 TRUMP.........

[@nancylamb1117]

The name calling is just plain ignorant. Rachel is a Rhodes Scholar! If all they can do is come up with a play on her last name, they don't deserve to be considered in this discussion. Or in politics.

[@dannypomeroy9255]

@@nancylamb1117 I can't imagine what you must think every time Donald deal maker Trump opens his mouth defending himself break out anouther 30 million bucs into our loving Russian Republicans aiding disinformation campaign against you....Joe Biden is moving America forward....in Jobs jobs jobs along in Women's health care Freedoms....

[@tcam2352]

Thanks Rachel, until I heard you talk on your show I never knew the history of this past attempt of fascism. This interview was great!

[@priscillachapman9145]

Great story. I was born in 1943 so I have never read or heard of this story. It is being repeated now in real time.

[@DeeDee-tq4cg]

Thank you Micheal and Rachel!

[@frogdogink4415]

You both are brilliant in your own right. Together is even better! Love and Respect to you both! ❤️

[@kcuzz4091]

Just Rachel’s laugh alone is enough to make me feel fabulous! Thank you for having her on Michael!

[@debraallender7444]

Rachel has proven to be highly skilled at digging this stuff up and re-revealing it to us. She makes it make sense. And she now and then inserts a little humor so we dont get over wrought!!!

[@cliffraleighnc2997]

Thank you Michael for being a bulwark of the truth of the undercurrents of our current political mayhem. And thank you, Rachel. Your podcast, “Ultra” was an eye opener for the public. Somehow, we never learned about that in school.

[@jackiedavis5822]

Wonderful, informative and educational interview!! Thank-you to both of you!!!

[@barbarakerns3914]

I’m getting the book. Always like Rachel. She keeps it real and is intelligent and honest. Remember to vote blue🔵🔷🟦

[@evelyncook3156]

I love listening to you both. I have both the Kindle and audio book whicu I bought the day it became available here and I intend to gift it to my two younger sisters. Whenever we get together the latest thoughts from Rachel and your latest appearance, Michael, are at the top of our list of catch up topics. May you both continue to elucidate and educate for many more years

[@BarbaraClayArtisticsoulwithin]

❤WOW I loved this soooo much. I have never been more into history then I am right now. When I just realized that history repeats I had to know more. I am still reading Democracy Awakening by Heather Cox Richardson. When you had her on your show I jumped at getting the book and it is a fascinating read. I am soo getting Rachel's book because in an odd way knowing these things does make me feel a little better. This really make me want to vote with Optimism because they're is good people out there trying to make a difference for us. Thank you so much for posting this video. I really needed this right now❤

[@kathyjones274]

I hope you will join us in voting blue for Bieden and all democrats right down the line in all elections to keep our country moving forward during these trying times and get each and every Maga outta our government for good no more Trump never again never

[@ruthcassidy6052]

I haven't read Heather's book yet but I get her daily newsletter. Even on the days she takes off she gives us gorgeous photography rather than prose - a photo may be worth 1000 words, but some days it's worth everything.

[@carla2012app]

now I have to get Heather Cox Richardson's book, Democracy Awakening. Thanks for the reminder of this book.Rachel is fantastic, and is a learned historian, even if that was not her major. Thank you, Rachel!!

[@margaretcameron1275]

​@@ruthcassidy6052Do you mean Rachael?

[@margaretcameron1275]

​@@ruthcassidy6052sorry, my mistake. You were referring to Heather. Her book would be enlightening too.

[@betticaroltaylor9681]

Thank you for doing this important work! You and your guests are a breath of fresh air!

[@cindisasaki4345]

What a fantastic episode! Michael, you were so real and authentic. It was like you were in my shoes feeling this topic and we all got through it together! God bless you and Rachel. What a combo!

[@primalamusica3]

Rachel Maddow is the brightest star in the American Historian and Journalism universe! Thank you both for your excellent work!

[@patriciabanks8283]

Vince E. Ellison

[@rolitanoble]

Thank you so much Michael Steele for this! This was an amazing book and conversation. I so appreciate your work. Thank you!

[@esmerelda6003]

Love this conversation - two great minds discussing elements of history that we need to remember or we will repeat.

[@imperialmotoring3789]

So true. Socialism leads to fascism.

[@kellyharper367]

You said it well!!!

[@MorKat20]

Listened to it on Audible! Wow!!!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼. Great conversation! Love you both!!!

[@marysmith-xh5ux]

Thank you so much for sich informative and intelligent analysis of something I was totally unaware of. Truth speaking to power, please God, more people will listen and work to protect democracy.

[@eliwebber6292]

This tells us we should always study who we vote for , because their propaganda, will never tell you the bad parts of supporting them. all you see is the glitter etc. like they say buyer beware .

[@solarnaut]

58:07 Rachel to Michael : " You are just a treasured colleague. You are what we used to call a 'universal donor of good chemistry!' " Always GREAT listening to either of these gifted consciousness raising folks,but together they really sing ! Aside from Michael's attributions to his Mama, I was recently reminded of his seminary training that also shines in his spirit. B---)

[@twintwitch1]

The thing that Michael Steel says is always there is fear and hate and an inclination toward hate.

[@victoriawolf5600]

I love your energy Michael Steele❣️You always add sooo much to any discussion. You are real with an incisive wit and brilliant turn of phrase. Love seeing you on MSNBC shows. Thank you!

[@KathySparkle1]

Just got her new book. Her timing is impeccable.

[@user-fq4yz5ek3r]

God, this is great. Two of my favorite people. There is hope.

[@janisallen-if9jv]

Excellent video!!! Thank you Michael & Rachel ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@kcuzz4091]

Wonderful discussion Michael and Rachel! I just bought Prequel and can’t wait to read it.

[@bobbywilsonfunfaithfamilymusic]

Mr. Steele, thank you and to Rachel Maddow, kudos.

[@justthefactsfolks]

This discussion is so appreciated, thank you. It hits the exact point and broadly defines it. "I" know so little about abuses, blunders and schemes in each of our branches of government, and that is by design I've learned. Thanks for sharing the information. I'll pledge to learn more.

[@foreclosurehunterssolution9908]

Thank you, Michael Steele, for hosting Rachael, "I always wondered why they were chanting, "The Jews will not replace us." I noticed in my first job in 1971 as a black American I knew racism on the job, but; the old Southern whites I worked with were always poking fun and making jokes mocking the Jewish students and doctors where I worked at the University of Miami Medical School. I see now this runs deep, and now I know why. Thank you. May God help us all.

[@Silverhaired59]

The story about Henry Ford reminded me of my father. He was a 1947 graduate of the Henry Ford Trade School. Henry Ford set it up at one of his factories. He provided a secondary education totthe young men of Detroit, In addition to his own version of High School, he provided a technical education, teaching them in the skilled trades of Ford factory workers. What is not really talked about is the moral and psychological training these guys got. I came across my uncle’s copy of a moral hygiene textbook at my aunt’s house. At the time, I was not aware of the Nazi propaganda that Ford propagated. I was not watching for that as I skimmed a few pages. I did stop and read about the coping methods they told the boys to use when they were upset by something. We, today, would call it “stuffing” emotions. They were tools to “keep a stiff upper lip” and just carry on with what they had to do. I wish I had swiped that textbook when I had my hands on it. It might give us more insight into what exactly Ford was teaching these young men. How did those 8000 graduates of his private academy influence events through their lifetimes? Did others of them, besides my father, join the Michigan Militia in the 80s? Were conspiracy theories about Jewish bankers a part of the teachings at school? Did that contribute to beliefs men like my father later had against the United Nations and other groups working toward world-wide standards?

[@unclegarysglobalmediaforme9351]

I have become a news & information junkie, especially since the COVID-19 lockdown. I channel surf a LOT and listen to widely diverse viewpoints. This particular episode & conversation is one of the BEST I have ever experienced. BRAVO. It is definitely award worthy. There is no flash and pizazz BUT it is perfectly "less is so much more."

[@alumpyhorse]

highly recommend Beau of the fifth column. non-sensationalist, sanity saving journalism

[@dthomas9230]

@@alumpyhorse USA is 46th on the Press Freedom Index for a reason. 8 companies control 90% of US media. 6 companies have 77%. America is the most misinformed OECD member and 4% of the world population killed 20% of the Covid patients after CDC told the media owners and donors "80% of Covid deaths are 65 and over" and FICA was proposing a payroll tax hike. 666,000 FICA recipients refused vaccines because it was a hoax and died, FICA canceled the tax hike while the Mortuary Service index spiked to a 27,5% gain in Aug of '21. Churches won big time as funerals increased attendance. Especially when preachers were telling their over 65 parishioners "Trust Jesus Not the Fauci ouchee". Death is a cottage industry in America. Children are harvested at schools for GOP campaign donations which always spike after a mass shooting to quell calls for gun safety. The #1 cause of children's deaths is gunshots. "Well, that's the price of freedom," said one GOP rep. Killing your children for money is a Christian thing, I think. I'm an atheist and expat with two kids who never faced a gun shooting drill because Mitch needed to keep control of the GOP funders. Freedom to bribe elected officials and judges, freedom to kill children for donations (renewable resources?), freedom to feed the public lies disguised as news, freedom to triple the national debt due to tax cuts for the 1% while blaming FICA recipients for the same debt. Red states are dumber than owl shit and cut their own throats regularly, for Jesus.

[@patsypopejoyCO]

Keep fighting the good fight! You know my German father told me that. My German parents barely survived Nazi Germany and would be horrified how Trump is talking with Hitler speak.

[@cindywiseman4082]

Thanks to both of you! Rachel, I can’t read to read your new book. I’ve already learned several things from listening to several interviews you’ve given, and I have always been someone who loved history, so thanks for the digging in the work you have done to inform us and equip us. And Michael, keep up the good work that you are doing as well! I was a lifelong Republican until 2016, and don’t even recognize the party. I thought they believed so strongly in!!! Knowing that you and others feel the same way that I do really helps!

[@joane8651]

There has never been a time in my life until today when I wished I could talk to my parents who both left this world more than 10 years ago. Mom was German-born, father was always very interested in politics, taught me to never cross a picket line among other things. I know he was a letter-writer to papers and local representatives of government, among others. We hardly ever talked about what was going on in the world, sadly. Thank you Michael and Rachel.

[@patkarpf4386]

I have posted this on Facebook on the chance that it will open someone's eyes and mind.

[@joeblow5087]

Good for you.

[@francesbatycki404]

Michael’s image of the pulled thread is good. The thread can be pulled from the inside back into the sweater and make the sweater whole again. Isolation or cutting it off won’t work.

[@sharonneal8643]

Thanks for this interview with Rachel Maddow!! I plan on getting and reading her book. It sounds so interesting of the parallels of today. I enjoy watching you both on MSNBC and the other hosts on that station. You are my go to for the latest Trump news. I keep trying to get people I know to vote blue and pray to God that Trump gets convicted and sent to prison for the rest of his miserable life. I hope Jack Smith is getting that jail cell and that orange jump suit fitted for Trump.

[@chrispalmer9075]

Rachel MADDOW reminds me so much of Paul Harvey, the very first talk show/radio commentator I listened to in the early 70’s. I’m 72, so I was in my early 20’s and was was a big fan! Really enjoyed this show but in all honesty I like all of your podcasts. Thanks to the both of you for the personal benefit I get from listening to you. I’m a 24/7 caregiver for my 90’s parents, so this is my happy place when I get a ‘Break’.