The Psychology of America: With Mary Trump

Michael Steele speaks with Mary Trump about the psychology of America, what prompted our cultural rot and the psychology behind the crazy that we're experiencing in our country, both pre and post Donald Trump's presidency.
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[@Sirianstar10]

I am Italian/American and was raised, until I was 15 on Long Island by two very racist parents and extended family for that matter. We moved to FL in 1970 when l was 15. I'm 68 now. I heard all the racial crap growing up. When l was 15, I went to a George Wallace rally with my bigoted father, who DJT reminds me of. I was cheering with him. Ugh. By the time I turned 17, I said hell no! This is not who I am. I dated a Puerto Rican guy who was not permitted in the house. But the best was yet to come....long story short, I threw away all the shit that was pounded into my head and took my own path. I started voting at 18 and l have never voted for a R and l never will. I've always known who they were. You have to get yourself out of that mindset. I did. It can be done! I'm a lefty, baby boomer. Go figure???

[@jameswoodend6029]

The last 2 states that KEPT the for whites or negros only signs was Georgia and Florida

[@IB4UUB4ME]

Meidas Susan from MTN?

[@Sirianstar10]

@@IB4UUB4ME Yes

[@willchristie2650]

The "Right" is energized by continual hate, scapegoating and lies.

[@IB4UUB4ME]

@@Sirianstar10 👍

[@janetanderson7941]

Keep in mind that systemic racism was directed at my black descendants from the core. Not saying that no one else has suffered at the hands of racism, but as a black 71year old woman from Indianapolis, Indiana, home of the KKK in Elwood, we as black people were the absolute target. To this day, I have never and will not ever visit Elwood. Excellent podcast, one of my favorites. Thank you Michael and Mary!!!

[@daphnewilson7966]

Don't know if it's any comfort, but this white lady has a long list of places she won't go, I guess it's called "solidarity."

[@runoz2839]

Hi 👋 Ma'am...hope you well... Within you is vast wealth of history & experiences, especially the 1950's & 60's... God Bless, You 🙏 Ty, for your comment & sharing your knowledge... 👍🏽

[@lovewins85]

Harrison, Arkansas

[@janetblanc7658]

I'm so sorry you suffered such insults. I'm European, not American, so have never experienced from racism but I sometimes feel ashamed to be white skinned.

[@lovewins85]

@@janetblanc7658 it's not your fault. All we can ever do is be aware that inequality. That type of awareness doesn't aim to make people feel inadequate. Simply makes everyone involved cognizant of the divided society creates

[@lunaholiday8585]

Aw, I remember when Michael Steele drove me bonkers while he defended the GOP. He’s sure done an 180, and I am grateful. He was always to smart to defend the GOP.

[@pgrigg]

Thank you both! I was in high school in the early 1970's, and in our English class a Japanese-American classmate wrote a story about her mother being Interred at Tanforan Detention Center during World War II. I was angry with her and said They would have TOLD us about that in school if it were true!! At the age of 16 I began to Question Authority, as they used to say. I was devastated that I had been betrayed by my education. It is a heartbreak that people on the Right are trying to do this now. Thank you for this great discussion.

[@douglashogg4848]

From your description, I’m about the same age as you. In high school, history or social studies or what ever they call it these days, was propaganda. For a true history of the country, you need to do it yourself. Maybe it’s improved since I was in school but I doubt it.

[@pgrigg]

@@douglashogg4848 Bill Cosby had just made his documentary about Black cowboys in America, which we were shown, so some things were getting better. Also, at some point, I think in high school, we saw a GREAT documentary about what is propaganda, starting with advertising and working up into politics. It has helped me ever since, and was one of the most pertinent thing to come out of high school, I think!

[@npguru]

I had a conversation with a doctor from Uganda who told me that America was paying the African dictator Idi Amin Billions of dollars. I was angry with him and said that we would Never do that. Two years later 60 minutes told the story of how many millions of dollars a day the government was sending to the dictator. America's history is dark in so many ways that keeps its citizens ignorant and arrogant, a very dangerous combination.

[@miltonchapman1514]

I was 10 years old and lived next door to Tanforan.

[@karenjohannessen8987]

@@miltonchapman1514 How did that affect your growing up?

[@christianebrown9213]

I would add that what has happened and is still happening to the Native American population is something that needs to be included in the difficult conversations we need to have. Unfortunately, and weirdly, what happened to the people who were HERE...whose land this belonged to originally...is almost always left out. It's also a reckoning that needs to be addressed.

[@susanschutz260]

I totally agree

[@janetblanc7658]

Absolutely

[@angela77991]

So true, as an black American who's great grandmother was Cherokee Indian, my dad's grandmother, in Arkansas, You so right! A shame how Native Americans are not even thought of or even mentioned as though non existent. Which shows that this can happen again to any so called "minority" race. We Americans need to do better!!

[@janicegullett8779]

I am constantly bringing up this point in Many Conversations. Terrible things have happened and are still happening to Many peoples but the Indigenous Peoples, First Nations seem to always be forgotten. They were pushed aside, enslaved, murdered, restricted, hated and like Mexican people were here when everyone else came to the United States. It is time that honest history be taught in All school, not banned, hidden, ignored and lied about. We need to learn about all Racism and if you don't know about Industrial schools or Indian Boarding Schools and the government/church mandate to "kill the Indian in the child", then you are missing a huge amount of history and present day problems.

[@janetblanc7658]

@@janicegullett8779 👏 👍 ❤️

[@lindadorman2869]

What a great conversation between two of my favorite people! Growing up white in middle-class America in the 60's/70's, I experienced a lot of what they discussed. It took me decades to understand how I was unintentionally programmed during my upbringing and course correct my beliefs about race and class. Intelligent rational conversations such as this one is a masterclass in critical thinking and what it means to be a responsible citizen in modern America. Maybe it should be required for all adults.

[@cynthiamorgan7756]

It is about Time, PAST Time for this conversation! This should be out daily on every media outlet! Thank you Michael & Mary.

[@user-by1dc5jf1q]

LOL. The far left always likes that trite cliche, we need to have a conversation. There is every kind of political discourse and conversatin out there. You are watchiing too much CNN, MSNBC, Coffee Joe, and The View. My might try googling your sources under "Media Fact Check Bias" to determine their political leanings. This channel and Mary Trump are "cookie cutter" left.

[@ricalina4371]

Its just so refreshing to listen to intelligent conversation! Thank you! 🙏

[@dottydew3673]

What I love about Mary is her intelligence, and education combined with her being so down to earth. She could have chose to be a pompous snob but chose instead to help people. Choices. Admire her noble choices.

[@curbozerboomer1773]

What about her "different " personal life choices?

[@belladonnatook8851]

​@@curbozerboomer1773'What about?" "Whatabout?" Take the beam out of your own eye, friend.

[@myselfandismith1030]

You unfortunately....dropped...the 🏀......only because it's easier to accept others less of ....than your own

[@myselfandismith1030]

@@curbozerboomer1773 that came about ...only from privileges.....

[@smallladyusachan2631]

@@myselfandismith1030 They are talking about the fact that she’s a lesbian. They are a homophobic b!got.

[@jenniferhizzy6591]

People in tis country do not realize how much stronger we would be together there are many more of the working class than there are of the rich and elite.

[@imacmill]

It's not that people don't realize it, it's that the 'rich and elite' keep us busy fighting each other so we don't fight them.

[@gingernightmare9152]

As usual, they/the rich own everything and make all the rules. They will never give it up!

[@tomfindlay1489]

Finally! The conversation that needs to be had all over this country on every channel on every media. Thank you!

[@canigetabeer5188]

This has been an excellent discussion- thank you both. If anything, we need a social education movement to combat disinformation, propaganda, and division. While free speech is paramount, the failure is in allowing conspiracies and hate speech to be unregulated.

[@user-by1dc5jf1q]

You had better be careful. It is unconstitional for force someone to go to diversity training. This is why so many collleges and universities are writing unconstitutional and unconstitutionally vague speech codes. F.I.R.E. The Foundation of Individual Rights in Education, has gone in and exposed this, represented students for free, now the student can sue big time, for having their rights taken away, and get to go to college free, once they settle out of court with a non disclosure agreement. They thank you and the college and universities stupidity for trying to make them dumb, when you are. Biden hasn't taken care of paying off student loans, because it is unconstitutional he knew it, but used it to get voted in.

[@Geoplanetjane]

Germany knows better than that.

[@katehickman4908]

OMG - Forget "Face the Nation," or "Meet the Press." THIS is my Sunday morning show! Muchael Steele & Mary Trump should have a recorded public dialog every week!! Loved it! More please? 😊

[@suezbell1]

Or, watch all three. Always getting "news" and information from different sources is a good thing.

[@chelabuford7106]

Depends on the source for sure, but point taken.

[@suezbell1]

All of the above are worth a listen. Getting information from multiple sources is a good thing.

[@dodipalmer856]

Another piece is the fight for bail reform. People who can’t afford bail (non-white, primarily men) stay incarcerated; those who can afford bail (white, privileged, etc.) are released. Crime is then blamed on liberals who are letting “violent criminals” out of jail and destroying society. So offensive, so destructive, so misguided, and as wrong (and evil) as can be. Thank you for this conversation.

[@laurameans7904]

Great talk thanks to both of you!! We truly are all in this together!! We all have to Vote the Crazy People Out and Vote the Good Ones in and bring our Country forward together!! Blessings and Prayers to all.

[@chelabuford7106]

Same to you!😊

[@spicyirwin5835]

Fact chk then VOTE.

[@kendrausack1985]

Wonderful, honest and neeeded conversation, thanks Mary and Michael.😀🥰🥰😘💙🐉❤️💋

[@dreab3322]

Thank you so much for the topic! I’m a white 50+ cis woman. I grew up feeling shame for the color of my skin, every time I learned of another historical atrocity. I assumed people of color wouldn’t want to know me; very understandable in my growing mind. The full context of race in America was not taught in the public schools I attended. Then came George Floyd, and the groundswell of understanding broke over the country. For me, it was profoundly freeing. Now I know as a anti-fascistic, anti-racist, I can and do work alongside people I was physically separated from. Nothing changes we humans without some level of pain’orcdiscomfort… let’s hope we can put a permanent end to the Civil War.

[@daren7889]

Baby Boomer here! White , retired teacher! German- Swiss American ancestry! I was horrified when 45 ,or as I call him A-GOLF TWITLER was elected! I call his supporters REICH WING EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN MAGAT REPUBLICANS! When people wonder how Germany elected Adolf Hitler, I roll my eyes! FASCISTS happen everywhere! I would highly recommend reading Learning from the Germans : Racism and the Memory of EVIL by Susan Neiman. Susan was born Jewish in the segregrated South during the 1960's. She raised her 3 children in the 1980's in Berlin , Germany . She is a Professor of Philosophy at the Einstein Institute in Berlin, Germany. She makes many good points. There are no statues to Adolf Hitler or any other Nazi in Germany. Unlike the USA , where there were statues of Confederates who lost the Civil War and like 45 NEVER admitted that they LOST April 9,1865! She has had many conservations with black leaders in the USA. The USA must start the healing process! And this includes Native Americans! December 29,1890! Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee! 🤔🪶🦅🪶🦅🪶🦅🪶🦅🪔🪔🪔🪔❤️💛🖤🤍

[@daren7889]

🤔🇩🇪🇨🇭🇺🇲💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙Learning from the Germans Racism and the Memory of EVIL by Susan Neiman, a Jewish woman who is a Professor of Philosophy at the Einstein Institute in Berlin, Germany! I highly recommend reading this excellent book! 🤗🤗📗📘📚📘📗

[@Repdem]

@@daren7889 Wow. That's what I wanted to post about. We could learn a lot from Germany about dealing with this kind of trauma and injustice and evil.

[@jannichi6431]

Thankful to have grown up in an ethnically diverse large city. I took Wanted to be ethnic to fit in and felt a bit of guilt of benefit first twenty years of office career. Until Tea Party/church 'woke' me up this century. Segregation squashes creativity and free thought. Let's speak up with no shame🗣️🗳️🐾🧢💙💖🇺🇸

[@jannichi6431]

​@@daren7889 🙏📙📝

[@dcrom]

I say Michael is THE finest person to emerge from the modern GOP. The rest all seem unable to even think about anything but power and preserving their sense of white entitlement. Keep On Emerging!

[@smtpgirl]

maybe that he governed in Maryland. The only red district is MD 01 Andy Harris, an insurrectionist. Heather Mizeur ran against him and was three points behind him.

[@MsThebeMoon]

There are others.

[@elegantbark]

This is the most important podcast I have ever heard. Thank you Micheal and Mary.

[@ricardocerrillo3472]

A well stated and, moreover, accurate assessment of Mr. Steele. Indeed, keep emerging.

[@deeannabratton9991]

Michael Steele is the ONLY Republican that is a decent human being.

[@janetanderson7941]

This podcast should be mandatory for every curriculum. Be it in school, church, or theatre, for free!! Then a hearty meal should be provided and focus groups from that!!

[@canigetabeer5188]

I was fortunate in being raised by “woke” parents. Born in 56, was a voracious reader at a very young age devouring everything from The autobiography of Malcolm X to Dostoevsky and more; remember the assassinations of King and both John and Bobby Kennedy; was aware of the the Civil Rights atrocities and more. I even have a letter of response from the Johnson White House because I thanked the President for Voting & Civil Rights work done 😂. At 66, I am disgusted with the fact that all these fights are still going on and getting worse. So many rights fought for are now being stripped away rapidly.

[@user-by1dc5jf1q]

A cookie cutter WOKE BLOKE. What's diverse about that?

[@glendabarton1914]

I was a white kid who grew up knowing intimately black families and their issues as my best friends were often black. They had people in their families who were lynched, for instance. Also, my family knew Freedom Riders and friends and personal teachers of Martin Luther King Jr. I consider that very fortunate. When Emmett Till's destroyed face in a photograph showed up in Jet Magazine with his ruined, destroyed face so courageously shown to the world by hus mother, I had a meltdown, begged my Mom to let me go on the Freedom Rides. But I was only 14 years old, a girl, not much older than Till. My mother never forgot how mad I was until the end of her life (she lived to be 100 years old, one of the first white women to join CORE in the 1940' - she introduced me to George Houser, one of the founders, and voted twice for Obama). Pres. Obama sent her a birthday card she was so thrilled on her 100th birthday (born 1917).

[@mary_bobespinoza6205]

😢😥😢😥😢😥😢

[@mam564]

I love Mary Trump! She is the only Trump that I trust! This was a great show! I really enjoyed listening to both of you! Thank you! ❤

[@Raquel-lx9bt]

Too bad you trust the nay-sayers. You're on the wrong side but then, so is every opportunist like Mary Trump.

[@flolucio601]

Love watching her talk

[@terrymoore7043]

Thank you Mary Trump and Michael Steele❤

[@ilenesykes3686]

I, love listening to Mary.She is so truthful.

[@paradisepipeco]

Mary had an uncle Don Who fleeced most everyone And everywhere that Mary went He tried to spoil her fun He followed her to court one day To say she broke the rules, The only game he knew to play Had proved that he's the fool He led a cavalcade of clowns And fed them balderdash His herd of sheep, while fast asleep, He'd fleece them of their cash Sweet Mary chose to stand up tall, And spread the honest truth How bold and brave, to warn us all Of this malignant goof A foolish lout, he thrashed about, And whimpered, whined, and wailed With any luck the stupid fuck Will spend his life in jail.

[@Queenie-the-genie]

I’m white and I want to hear this. 🩵💛🩵 THANK YOU BOTH 🩵💛🩵

[@nicolebrown1927]

I'm glad you're making time to hear this much needed discussion. Now, if all of our white brothers and sisters would just take the time to truly listen and empathize with our American plight, then we can he'll together! We don't want our white brothers and sisters to be hurt by this traumatic history. The only white people that'll be hurt by learning this complex history are the one's that still have hate in their hearts for us and want it to continue and become worse. It's the prejudice beasts that want our country in this time machine that they set to go backwards as close as it can to slavery. People like Ron DuhSantis desperately want this history of carnage and trauma to to never end for love filled white people alongside poc.🥺😔

[@christianmhanley]

This is such an important conversation and you are both handling it with the sort of intellectual insight and emotional self awareness that few people are capable of. Thank you!

[@user-by1dc5jf1q]

All the far left knows what to say is. 1. We need to have a conversation. 2. This is an important conversation. 3. And we need an investigation. Thank you. Your true colors are bright an clear!

[@AnamLiath]

We are invisible. They cover their sins with reverence for "manifest destiny", that we were/are savages who can't properly enjoy or manage our own land. I study trade routes through the Americas before white people. They were complex both in scope and managing the social interaction. There is such beauty in trade execution. My great grandfather was stolen from Rosebud. He was the angriest man I've ever known, and the best and kindest horseman. His pain has affected even my grandchildren.

[@tedserrant3536]

Mary has to be among the best on this and thanks Micheal for your excellent ability to guide the framing.

[@martimontoya6243]

Excellent conversation that really needs to be talked about.. “what the hell is going on in America today”⁉️🤬

[@juditrotter5176]

The truth is bubbling up and white bigots are trying to stuff it back into the box it came in.

[@user-by1dc5jf1q]

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[@weebeedesigns]

I can't believe Mary didn't say the third problem is there are not enough therapists. Even with insurance there are waiting lists. And if you have Medicare or Medicaid the people who will accept those are even fewer.

[@StevieOneder]

I grew up in a racist family and State (Mississippi). When I left MS for CA, I arrived thinking I was not racist, I was wrong. I learned that the systemic way I look at or ignore racial issues was a part of who I was. Like Mary said, I “owned it”; and still working on it 30 years later-but I own it and every time I stand up to racism it gets better. The people who need to hear this pod cast will never hear it… that is a huge problem. It’s up to those of us who own it, to not let racism pass.

[@irisn.garcia5883]

Great conversation!!! Thank you Mary, Michael!!!

[@hazellove2144]

Thank you Mary & Michael. This a conversation that we desperately need to have over & over until we get it. Please do it again soon.

[@jannichi6431]

Stream MSNBC. Joy Reid, for one, does an enlightening program, daily.🌞

[@luckyotter623]

I love listening to her. Imagine, a Trump I love!

[@janislentz5649]

Michael, do be a guest on Mary Trump’s podcast and continue this discussion. Love to hear a fellow PG-er!

[@charlottelucero4900]

Thank you both for this important conversation. From my perspective as Hispanic woman who experienced childhood discrimination: we spoke Spanish, we were a large family, we were farm workers, our skin color was shades of brown, we were not allowed to live in certain neighborhoods. The experience was traumatic primarily because the people who treated us as though we were so different from the “acceptable visual people” was painful. Yet, within the confines of our family we were taught to appreciate with pride who we were and what we contributed to world in a diverse society. We were taught to be forgiven of those who treated us with disrespect - as my father would say - those people are ignorant to who we really are - we are the people who help build strong communities. On assimilation: this was taught in the schools - only speak English, wear the right clothes, shoes, and don’t eat beans and tortillas, oatmeal, etc!!! In other words, don’t be who we were - pretend to be like the acceptable people (blond, blue eyes, fair skin). Having brown skin, black hair, brown eyes was not the desirable way to look - so we were shamed and labeled as different!!! Again, thank you for this important conversation!!!

[@jannichi6431]

Asshamed of DeSintass and A butt in FL and TX; believing and spewing their discrimination and lies.👑💪wanna bes😮

[@IB4UUB4ME]

I swear, people are so pathetic and childish and ignorant to look and judge someone because of their pigmentation of their skin. It’s the most shallow thing that anyone could ever do, but what people don’t realize is as they judge, is HOW they WILL BE judged by the creator and will unfortunately lose everything they have!!

[@maryannleighton]

I am so sorry on behalf of white people of America....Huge hug. Vote Blue ❤

[@janetblanc7658]

No sabe la suerte que tiene con su piel color miel o caramel. Yo soy tan blanca que no puede aprovechar del sol.😊

[@esobed1]

Even with all of what you said... all of the suffering that you and your community have suffered... know this. The PRIMARY, GROUND ZERO target of Systemic Racism is the African American decendant of chattel slavery. Understand that the plight you suffered is collateral damage from the main target of White Supremacy. In actuality, there is a double healing that the Latin community has to go through. All of what you described earlier PLUS repentance for the anti-African attitude that is perpetuated by the entire Latin American world. Don't just simply be offended, the way that Mary Trump describes how some Whites become when the issue of Racism and White Privilege are mentioned. Be honest about the 'Pecking Order' games that all Races play when it comes to White Supremacy and Systemic Racism.

[@karenfitzpatrick6256]

Every conversation that has Mary Trump participating in it, gives me hope that there is still some sanity left in America. Greed and fear has undermined it dreadfully. Mary is educated, open minded, clear speaking, honest and strong. Showing us all a common sense approach to issues of today. She also shows us, unfortunately, that common sense isn't as common as it should be. I appreciate hearing her viewpoint along with her hosts who are aligned with sanity and a desire to see Ameeica not inly survive, but to become a better democracy. Michael, thank you for sharing this video.

[@marilyn8490]

What a good discussion on a very deep level...we need more of this. I think about 40% of our society (at least) does not want to face that our moral compass as a nation is totally out of whack. We have to look at a very basic level at what we think is right and wrong in how we treat our fellow human beings. And I want all kids to look at books that discuss history openly...none of this banning books nonsense. The more you censor ideas, the more people will actively seek out that very information.

[@carolglynn8260]

..."Any Country is only as strong as its weakest citizen." You HAVE to take care of those struggling or it weakens you as a country.

[@keridane9381]

💔🤍💙 Thank you both. This may be the best I've seen on KZbin! I've always liked Michael Steele but this conversation showed Steele & Ms. Trump in possibly their best light - or perhaps I had not truly appreciated who each of these folks are, especially Mary Trump. But you bring out something very special in each other. Thanks for a great conversation. 💔🤍💙

[@MusicMan1965]

Mary does give it a “personal” flair; and Michael drives this. He is a former RNC chairperson and yet places a decent country first. He knows that both parties need work but he puts country first.

[@jackclingenpeel5020]

Amen!

[@ottomechanic1370]

Very open, informative, and honest interaction. The reality is that we are all related. Unless we have more discussions on the topic, nothing will change. It begins with each one of us first internally. Thank you both for sharing your points of view. 👍🙏

[@cboy5oc]

Phenomenal discussion! I am a white middle class 72 year old New Englander. My parents raised us to respect everyone and to treat them respectfully. I believe that since we all have the same father (God) we really are brothers and sisters. Your open and informative talk made me realize that there is much more in play behind the scenes at this point. We do need to make it right...for everybody. How? I am not sure. I do see that we are going backwards, but we need to be open to being informed and fight against the inequality, especially those who are trying to perpetuate the old ways. We MUST talk about it. THIS talk is the type of educating we all need because it ties together the little snipets of knowledge that do not make sense unless the entire picture is given. The two of you should do a series of conversations helping us how to understand things. We do need to come together and heal. More in-depth discussions, please!

[@AshleySong]

As a country don't we want ALL of our ppl to be successful especially since other countries are doing a better job at taking care of their sick, the old, their children aren't being gunned down at school and are getting fully education w/o debt. We'll all fall behind other wealthy countries and won't be able to compete. It's prosperous for us as a country to help the vulnerable so we can all be prosperous together!

[@dfuher968]

Indeed. As a Scandinavian, I get really tired of Americans calling us socialists. We're not, nor have we ever been. We're a social democracy. We actually rank above to far above the US on being capitalist, being a good place to start a business, ppl having more money to spend etc etc etc. Not to mention, that we're always at the top of the freedom and happiness indexes. But being an accountant, I also try to explain to Americans, that its not just the human thing to do, its actually very beneficial economically. Coz free, happy ppl, who do not have to worry about getting sick, coz they will be taken care of, who have many worker and consumer rights and protection, so they dont have to worry all the time, who have the free time and money to be with their families, travels, whatever - they make much better workers! And they contribute to the economy with their work AND with their spending, they keep the economic wheels turning. Theres actually plenty of studies, that show, that countries with higher taxes, who use those taxes to pay for ppls healthcare, education, proper pensions etc, and who have a high level of regulations and protections, have a better and healthier economy too. But far too often I just get "but 'Murica!!" thrown back at me, coz apparently nothing counts, if its not the American way. U guys do some things really well. But theres also a whole lot, u could learn, if u were willing to admit, that ur country isnt the best at everything, and if ur willing to look at other countries and learn, both from our successes and our failures.

[@susanbyorick3740]

As an American I’m kinda offended, but you’re right about a lot too. We are lucky that more people are getting involved in this experiment of democracy is full of peril and we are blessed to have our younger generations are so involved and so passionate about our freedoms. They are way more “we want to live with love and freedom. I thought by the time I was 57 things would changed with how we treated each other. I have never understood why anyone would want live in hate. There’s a movement in our younger generations. I couldn’t be more hopeful that we will see something great.

[@jannichi6431]

Feel the Bern (ie Sanders). 🧢💙

[@therealnancysteele]

Wonderful conversation. We SOOOOO need this through out the country.

[@StopWhining491]

More honest conversations like this to give the rest of us the vocabulary we need to talk about important issues.

[@jannichi6431]

Thankfully many young people see class, not color.

[@jillsalkin7389]

White supremacists won't hear it. They operate totally on, "the less Blacks have, the more we have, and if we have nothing else, we're white."

[@journeyman378]

Black folks know this already, most of yall don't know.

[@candyolson2871]

@@journeyman378 I am white and I have known this for decades. I have said this numerous times since tRump became president, "I am ashamed at how the white extreme MAGA believers have destroyed our country." BTW, Clarence Thomas ain't no black man.

[@jenblack4689]

Thank you for this conversation between two of my favorites! This discussion needs to be shared over and over again. These are the messages that need to be repeated over and over again, not all of the lies and hypocrisy that seem to get all of the air time. Keep speaking the truth!!!

[@emmahardesty4330]

The one and only good thing we've gotten from the trump miasma is Mary Trump. Always gets to the point so clearly, and with a punch. Thanks, Michael.

[@jacquelinebreslin1658]

I am white but very blessed to have had a kindergarten teacher that I loved who was beautiful loving and so much fun and she was black in Philadelphia. She appreciated me and I loved helping her. That relationship was always a blessing for me in so many ways especially as the isolation in Catholic school that I had in 1-9. That was 1969. So many white people my age had to be awkward and not exposed to the good people like Mrs Guy so they believed stereotypes and had no tangible black people to relate to

[@eleanorek.leslie9818]

I am a 96 year old white women born in this Country and must say: you are both so ON with your rhetoric!! My life has indeed been aware of and have experienced that "thread". Finally, I have an explanation that makes it essential to educate all of us to understand what has been and IS transpiring. Thank you both. 💕💕

[@izharulhaqmardan]

Great i watch you from pakistan are you oky. I wiah to do m.phil in political science i had dkne master degree in political science very bad situation in pakiatan

[@trinafirey1175]

What is your explanation? Enlighten us, please.

[@jeanbrown9935]

Kudos for this great conversation, enlightening, and reinforcing my feelings for a long time. I am an 82 yr.old Polish 1:01:41 white woman, raised in a small town in N. Michigan, grew up without prejudice as a young child but have somewhat felt always having to defend myself all my life to almost all those around me on my stance on equality for all, everyone, regardless of race, religion ( which I have experience) or any ethnic background. I am ashamed of what our country is becoming and very worried about what my grandchildren may have to face You were spot on! 🇺🇸🙏😥.

[@eileenfile6157]

What a wonderful, enlightening conversation. Thank you! At this moment in history it's not about policies or politics, it's about moral compass and values.

[@ElizofAmerica]

As a Latina woman I am amaze at other Latinos not understanding this very thing

[@user-by1dc5jf1q]

They are smarter than you.

[@susiq1121]

It's the same thing that happened to the Italians and Eastern Europeans. The white elite need more recruits to keep up the hate and divide to keep their coins. Sadly, many Latinos take the bait for ego, power and authority. It's kinda easy in that community because racism and colorism is fully embedded.

[@sue3745]

Time to reframe the discussion to telling the truth and using it to make us a more just country.

[@sally8234]

I would love a conversation between you both about how main stream media has helped enforce the narrative of the concepts you've discussed today. Wonderful show. Thanks.

[@susanqtips]

Michael Steele is an American Treasure and the only hope for the future of the GOP. He remains a staunch supporter of their original values, but has a clear sense of where and how their train derailed. We need people with a no nonsense approach to the issues that must be resolved for the future of America. Thank you, Michael Steele for all you do.

[@dianewhalen9721]

So glad you are talking about this.I am Canadian the white patriarchy has a lot to be accountable with our indigenous people and the atrocities our country has done to them.Just the other day I read that King Charles111 has invited a PHD student to go into the the British archives to study slavery in relation to the history of White monarchy and how it contributed to it.I think the whole world has a-lot of work to do in relation to accountability of white supremacy,white privilege and patriarchy.Unfortunately around the world there are no enlightened leaders to lead us out of this place.It’s always the same old status quo.I think the whole planet needs to transform and needs to reconstruct our thinking on how we move forward.Unfortunately not in my lifetime!Great to listen to this conversation 👍

[@sarahfuchs4196]

Please don't forget to add our Native Americans and Orientals.

[@FeralCatSanctuary]

Absolutely agree with Mary. This is what her last book was about. The Black issue has never been resolved. We have never owned what we have done to Black's and the Native Americans as well. No one wants to listen to the truth especially when it isn't comfortable.

[@arenee118]

The Reckoning was awesome.

[@user-qg3bd2ev9o]

These are two of my favorite people whose judgement and wisdom I so value and appreciate. Michael, I used to follow your broadcasts, some years ago. Thank you, both for sharing with us.

[@marniefriedman9564]

Two of my favs…Michael and Mary. Thank you for bringing rational talk to our air waves!

[@LimitlessThinker]

Mary is such a sweet and knowledgeable lady. Michael you hit on so many points concerning racism & pertinent subjects. I wish I could sit and have coffee with you both. I have such unique experiences concerning these topics. It's difficult to find people who feel comfortable to discuss our deepest issues. Way to go and this was great!

[@seasheleyes]

That was the best podcast I’ve watched in ages. Thank you! Just to toot some of our horns…I have a group of white women that have been reading and discussing books that cover the topics that you were talking about in terms of race. We do agree with what you are saying.

[@Freddie0521]

This was a very excellent podcast. So informative and really eye opening. So nice to have a category that’s not Trump.

[@cdubya3071]

Sadly, the horrible parts of this topic are what Don The Con uses to psy-op his base.

[@evelinel.9827]

This discussion needs to be spread far and wide!

[@Ana_Ines3420]

Geeze, what an amazing, wonderful tribute to the life of your sister. I'm in tears. Today, May 13th is my birthday, and I just lost the last relative of my generation alive in my country. I really admire you Megyn, but I think I doscovered a new layer in you that makes me like you even more. I'm very sorry for your loss. Blessings.

[@lauriemendoza4671]

This was a great podcast. Love Mary Trump, she always hits me as a voice of reason in a very unreasonable time. The topics were timely, interesting and, at times, very humorous. Thank you! 😊

[@evelinel.9827]

People need to understand the unconscious/subconscious mind, Yes as a white person we might have the intention not to be racist and view everyone as equal but we need to know, like Mary said, if we grew up in a certain time, a certain place, with unenlightened people, unenlightened media we have some racial bias in our subconscious/unconscious so we need awareness and humility and work to unravel it. Reading and listening to conversations (like this) is very helpful/key to more awareness.

[@lesliecurran1704]

So true! It's interesting. My daughter said to me a couple of months ago, she said you know I try not to be racist but I always feel something different when I'm around a black person. We live in a very red state and a very homogeneous area where there are very few people of color. But it's important. I told her it's important to acknowledge how you feel and acknowledge that and then go on to do what you can to try and change that within yourself. I think that's something too many people don't to do. They don't look within and acknowledge how they grew up, they just somehow react emotionally without finding out why and doing what they can to change that dynamic going forward.

[@lindascaffidi8941]

Mary you are so right about America

[@rrickarr]

A true conversation worth having. Thank you so much for having the intellect and honesty to even think of it and then actually have it.

[@edwardrmayer9807]

Michael, I'm a 78-y.o. African American and yes, I was one of those who would be in defiance with your policy positions back in the day. (when you were RNC Chair) However in recent times (seeing you on msnbc and other formats) I've gained a tremendous amount of respect for you. I appreciate you and what a great show tonight with Mary Trump and you, enjoyed it, thank you, Ed.

[@MeerKatReport]

An Amazing conversation, thank you both! Michael, when you spoke early on how you started to wonder if you were the only person who feels like this, I'm right there with you. The widespread unwillingness to talk about the race-based principles which lurk in essentially every corner of American society and legal/regulatory code often lead us to struggle to explain WHY our systems produce the results they do. But it only takes a few well-presented examples to finally see the patterns. Books like 'The Color Of Law" and "Caste" show in crystal clarity (for those of us without the lived-experiences) WHY a city council would rather demolish a public swimming pool then desegregate it. Or WHY a major political party would rather defund Medicare and Social Security then see them become easy, affordable and widely used by black people. The climate crisis and the accompanying transformations that it is already forcing, provide the catalyst to reimagine all our systems and build more inclusive, equitable, and efficient versions to carry the future. It's humanity's greatest challenge to date, and America's greatest opportunity to date as well. You're not alone. And from a millennial, and former Army officer, you both have my deepest respect.

[@1863silvia]

As chair of the RNC in 2010, Steele was praising the GOP gerrymandering efforts and wanted to make the republicans a super majority...I'm waiting for his mea culpa.

[@lisareynolds9734]

Such a brilliantly done and important conversation!! Love you, Michael Steele!❤️

[@lindaburnham8732]

This is a clear, courageous conversation that needs to be repeated until our nation wakes up and values our democratic interconnectedness, and calls out the sickness of othering, the sickness of the "desire to be white" caste system, and violence associated with unexamined emotions with access to violent rhetoric, weapons of war and loss of connectedness to healthy community. Thank you Mary and Michael for speaking out on this core divisive topic/wound in our nation.

[@KateColors]

Thank you for having Mary on and talking about why we need to have these conversations. I so hope we all come together and right the ship. Who needs the crap we're going through now?

[@hapennysparrow]

Brilliant dialogue. All I can say is Yes and Amen. I am currently reading Jeff Sharlet's book" The Family." Early on the point is made that the Religious Whites that first immigrated to this continent held to the heresy that They were the New Israel, that He had finished His covenant with the Jews, and that this new land spread out before them was the New Promised Land. That was the basis for the justification of genocide of the indigenous populations, and the enslavement of kidnapped Africans, to build their structures. They considered themselves God's Chosen. That falsehood was the rack upon which the rest of our crimes hung on. That was the prevailing mindset of the Western Europeans that first settled in North America. The presumption and arrogance and ignorance was and is stunning. That it prevails four hundred plus years later is beyond shameful. It is willful ignorance. Until that myth is destroyed, the racial divide as well as Antisemitism will continue to devour us as a nation. We are, Mary, as you said, poised over a precipice. This is most serious. If this nation succumbs to Authoritarianism, there goes the rest of the world. That vision is horrifying. What ever differences between Republicans like Michael Steele and Democrats like Mary Trump needs to be put to the side for now. Of primary urgency is the preserve what little Democracy remains and build ftom there. We can sort out differences once the nation is well away from the brink of disaster. Thank you both for civil and intelligent interaction.

[@margaretadams-oj6fw]

Mary…. Keep speaking out. You are very articulate !!!

[@j_a_n_i_c.]

A wonderful conversation!!! Thank you Michael & Mary!

[@nancymarzano9798]

Two of my favorite people! Thank you for having Mary on. Love her podcasts and Nerds.

[@Hope4U61]

Thank u both for an absolute conversation that needs to be had. I'm so ready for all people to come together and open our hearts to the travesty that's been forced on our sisters and brothers. Much appreciation ❤❤

[@ireneharris3932]

Awesome talk , healthy thinking 😁great duo … thank you both , hope to see you more often 👏😉

[@rosixrincones6171]

This show is about the questions that matter. Smart and balanced altogether. I've been away from the news and opinion and yet this one was worth watching. Thanks to you both. Good level.

[@user-tu4rn8ui9u]

Great conversation. I have tried hard to educate myself more thoroughly about race issues in America, and sadly, I think Mary is completely correct. "The Sum of Us" by Heather McGhee and "How the Word Is Passed" by Clint Smith are terrific books about this subject for anyone interested in some reading. We CAN go forward, TOGETHER. All of us. We all deserve it. But we must, must look at everything that got us here. Aren't y'all tired? I am, so let's just deal with it so we can go forward. I know we can do it. Michael, kudos to you for these in-depth conversations with all different kinds of voices in a respectful ways that allows us to not only to hear, but to really listen and understand. Nice to know we have still have that. Not everything needs to be turned up to 11. Thank you both!

[@deeannabratton9991]

This was an interesting conversation - reminds me of the book that Cornell West and Tavis Smiley co-authored, The Rich and the Rest of Us, as well as the book by Upton Sinclair, The Jungle. My hope is that the new generation will not tolerate this type of behavior - and much needed change will be happening - like in the state of Tennesse. I am with them on the same train. Thank you both for putting on this show, it is the first step - as a country this is a diaogue we should be having in each and every state. We can and should do better. After all, my freedoms are only as good as what yours are. The lesson that we learned from Hitler - today you are in danger, tomorrow it could be my turn - which group or socio-economic category will be next.

[@janicegullett8779]

Unfortunately the lessons learned from WW2 and Hitler has not been learned by all and back in the 30's and 40's there were US people that actively believed in Hitler and followed Hitler and Now Fascism, white supremacy and Nazis are back and stronger than before. You will see many strong second amendment Maga cult followers are using the term Tyrannical Government because they believe this democrat government will strip them of their 2nd amendment right to bear all weapons and they believe they will hand to go to war about it.

[@T.R.6105]

This was THE history lesson of all lessons, because the fullness of this democracy cannot be realized until we turn THIS 90° angle...I am sharing this. Thank you both for enlightening this AMEN AND AMEN

[@denisebeaudet923]

Bless you both for your sharing your discernment and intellectual conversation on the most challenging topic in our democracy. We want more!!!

[@ladyfantastic765]

I'm pumped to see you doing a youtube podcast, Mr. Steele! You've always been a source of reason and wisdom, and i think there are many folks across the political spectrum who would agree with me. Mary is also an insightful and brave soul. So great to see you two join forces and talk out some of the tough stuff regarding America's "original sin." Well done!

[@rebeccacamacho-sobczak4282]

I am very grateful for this. Being a Mexican who aped the white majority in order to survive, this is refreshing.

[@bccoaster7005]

Excellent conversation. 👍 If everyone were more like Michael Steele and Mary Trump, our society would be a lot better for it.

[@myselfandismith1030]

Amen America ....needs 🚫...to sit on a therapist 🛋️.....ppl ..really need a .... serious....come to Jesus .... moment

[@sharcon3891]

And both prove that coming from adversity in their childhood need not turn them into MAGA monsters. In fact it seems to have made them better than average.

[@susanharris3942]

Hi Michael great podcast. You two got to the heart of the matter.I am 81 white woman. Was on a anti racist committee a while back, after three years I got out. To me they were avoiding having a real down to earth approach. The whole thing drove me nuts! I suspect I will be dead before we deal with truth, until we do,we will just be putting a bandaid on a deep wound. We can't have healing by pretending there isn't a problem. This was so refreshing, God be with you Michael.

[@markrieck6204]

A comment from Mary Trump was crucial in assisting me in attempting to understand Trump's motives and thinking. "He doesn't think like you and me." Explaining malignancy was a leg up too. Thank you for choosing to get involved madam.

[@kelly3560]

The most honorable guest you’ve ever had. Save our democracy.. vote blue.

[@susieangelo6410]

Happy Belated Birthday Mary! 🎂 Thank you, Michael for inviting Mary who is such a valuable and intelligent guest on your show. I'd enjoyed this from beginning to end and would like to say, this was my "free therapy session" from 2 qualified doctors who gave me hope and comfort. 💜💜

[@margaritacanincia1906]

This needs to be on national TV! All broadcasting needs to address this issue. PBS please do this!

[@jelaine7532]

Ms Mary was SPOT ON in this conversation! She confirmed what I believed to be the problem of racism in America, from her expertise and psychological perspective. Excellent discussion! I'd love to watch / listen to you two again. She is most definitely the sanest, logical, and factually informative Trump.

[@HopeWins777]

Love This! ❤ Mary's training is the reason I started following her years ago when she started her podcast! Finally, she gets the recognition she actually deserves. Awesome job, Michael, always.🎉

[@smtpgirl]

Michael, you weren't my favorite when you were Lt. Governor of Maryland, but I respect and like you so much when you fought back against your splintered and non-democratic party. I applaud you with much love. Mary Trump as your guest is just awesome. From a fan and a Marylander living in Upper Montgomery County Maryland.

[@daren7889]

Western MARYLANDER here ! I agree with you and I am so proud of the great state of Maryland! And Rep. Jamie Raskin, Montgomery county Maryland! 🥰🇩🇪🇨🇭🇺🇲💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙

[@bettyveronica9880]

Is Jamie Raskin your rep? He’s another amazing, wonderful person who actually cares! 💙 if he ever ran for President, he’d get my vote!

[@stanleysessor6993]

The commentary 👌 was amazingly accurate. The discussion was open and honest. Are great country America would be stronger 💪 and healthier if we own up to and finally learn these lessons.

[@sarafstop32]

Excellent podcast! This is an hour that went by very fast. In my readings on psychologists, I've been very partial to Jung. I believe this program hit the nail on the head in this great discussion of the US shadow! We need to have discussions like this to shine some light on our shadow. I'm glad that you made the point about not much distance between 76 (and 5 weeks away from 77) and 80. I have to add that if you were to compare physical exams and lifestyles, the 80 year old would beat the soon to be 77 year old. No one speaks of that. Thanks again for the great podcast. I just subscribed to the Michael Steele channel.

[@summerrain7466]

Really appreciated this conversation. Hope to see a new "America on the Couch" podcast coming out monthly from you two!

[@daricedavis6979]

I'm voting for that, too!

[@jannichi6431]

Overdue to grow up, America💙🇺🇸💖

[@cimbalok2972]

Michael Steele and Mary Trump are two of my favorite commentators. I hit the jackpot with this show!

[@vanessawyndham8791]

Q MBA

[@skylerdelmar4391]

This is one of the most necessary conversations to have right now! This country truly suffers from trying to solve the problem by scraping the rot of the top or the middle or wherever they think it's causing the smell. How about the root? I am all about this conversation and I will elevate this message every chance I get. Thank you.

[@Danuta628]

Great discussion!!! This conversation should be had listened to in every classroom- so many piece to the pie explained here- as the school curriculum continues to diminish more and more on the truth and reality of this country

[@ellyb4830]

In recovering from addiction, and wanting freedom from addiction, we often say, the only way out is through 😍

[@lindascanlan6317]

Love and respect you both enormously...you and she always have factual information given in a sober, rational manner...ty both. Linda 🐝

[@cinnamonpie8077]

Michael Steele,you are so pleasant to listen to,happy I found your channel.

[@papagorguidiop2391]

Deeply insightful how Mary Trump delves into the systemic societal archeological layers of America ! Gorguez

[@luckylady597]

What a great conversation! Thank you, Michael and Mary. 😊😅❤

[@shannonmeshbane]

Really appreciate your conversation about root racial issues in this country. It’s the essential component of our disfunction.