We've Owned An Ineos Grenadier For 6 Months, Here's How It's Gone So Far

[@vernonbennettiii3646]

Alex, please keep the Grenadier for at least 2 years, preferably 3. Your in-depth analysis of all the "quirks and features" (to quote another KZbinr), is second to none. I would really appreciate your take on long(er) term ownership. Thank you for another excellent video!

[@markderoller7645]

Love that you stood up through the sun roof to point out the drains

[@rik999]

One quick reminder. Medium duty and heavy duty vehicles still use a solid front axle and recirculating ball steering boxes.

[@Sylvan_dB]

And a lot of those don't weigh any more than this Ineos! (E.g. F250)

[@naturalLin]

older g wagon too

[@artagain8977]

That’s what he said in the video.

[@kubi0461]

I’m drooling at all of those buttons and knobs. I’d love to get those on any vehicle.

[@andyorr1597]

It’s kind of a cool feeling to stop on the trail and reach up to engage lockers, downhill mode, etc.

[@romanraskin7381]

Lol yeah I bet you drooling on the knobs 😂😂😂

[@brocbradley2313]

Best review I've watched. I thought about fast forward through the history at the beginning, but it was intriguing. The presentation was a flawless delivery and kept me wanting to listen to the end.

[@PeterFearon-g8q]

Hi from UK, great review. You clearly get it and understand what it is. Closest thing to it in my opinion is the W463 G wagon, after owning both I 100% pick this over my former G wagon . The steering & handling much better on the ones than the GW

[@andyorr1597]

I’ve had mine eight months - and I love it. But I’m in the mountains of Colorado so my needs might be different than most. But it plays in the dirt and sand as well as any of my 4x4’s and it dresses up nice for dinner when we go to town. We actually bought a second one before the prices go up.

[@juliansimard-gillis3314]

Any insight on its snow capabilities?

[@awdanthony]

I felt it in my heart when you said “…a little bit to the left, a little bit to the right…” Road tripping in my Ram is a bit tiresome sometimes.

[@robertwatson8376]

I loved the multi point turn around- it reminded me of Austin Powers

[@LanceEJones]

Came for this comment; was not disappointed.

[@pauld6967]

Alex's comment about the steering took me back to when I was 16 years old and shopping for my first car. I gave serious consideration to getting a classic that DID NOT have power steering. No boost whatsoever. I thought it would be okay but my father told me how it was for him when that was the normal way for cars. I wisely listened to him and bought a different car but listening to Alex,...I had a wave of nostalgia. I later did get to experience manual steering in the military with the classic Jeep (before the unit switched over to HMMWVs) and the Deuce-and-a-half truck.

[@carolhartley4448]

For me I like power steering, but I only buy cars/suv that the steering is tight, meaning I want to feel how I am steering verses that lose kinda feeling that some vehicles have where you can basically turn with one finger, I've always liked the ,as I call, the tighter steering, if anyone can relate to what I mean, my suv has power steering but it's not that loose feeling that I don't like, definitely want and like to feel my steering

[@Rioichi4]

My first car didnt have power steering! But it was a Geo Metro lol

[@pauld6967]

@@Rioichi4 🙂 I had not thought about the oddball cars. Thanks for reminding me that the Geo brand existed.

[@pauld6967]

@@carolhartley4448 My non-daily driver is over 30 years old and the steering is definitely slack. By that I mean that I can turn the steering wheel a bit in either direction before the tires begin to turn. One of these days I will invest the money to tighten it up to be as close to 1:1 as possible. I don't take it out on the highway these days because it doesn't inspire confidence. Around town at slower speed is okay but not at 55+.

[@ctraxler10]

3k miles on my grenadier and I actually love the steering. People will complain about almost anything, but the steering/return to center issue is completely overblown imo. Now, the turning radius is still abysmal. It’s a barge, but I still love it and wouldn’t change it.

[@fighter835]

You should definitely keep it longer to see how reliable and durable it is. At least until you hit 40k miles on it. I would love to see all the updates and how this truck ages.

[@Gripen047]

I'd say to keep it for 24 months. A lot of other channels that have "long-term" Grenadiers have only kept them for 3 months (TFL) or they are on loan for 6 months (Ronny Dahl). I'd like to see a true long-term so we as viewers (and potential customers) can get to better know what the overall durability, fuel economy, and cost of ownership is of the vehicle. Will the folks in the office still clamor for this vehicle after the novelty has worn off? As the vehicle ages, will other issues crop up like new rattles, electrical issues, mechanical issues?

[@abhi4ify]

I initially didn't bother to look at it or research about this vehicle but slowly it has grown on me after learning the backstory and what this vehicle intends to do .. Please if you don't need the resale money, try to keep it for 24 months

[@dcsteel4959]

simple and straight forward actual review and use for its purpose! thank you

[@NYCS19339]

Just drove a new one, no fan buzz. It's really a great vehicle all around. Maybe not Ideal for the big city driver, but for the Midwest, I think it is really a great alternative to a Tahoe or Suburban since they stopped making the work versions. Great for anyone in construction, etc. Told that it can pull 7,000 pounds in the mud.

[@ahmedalmulla9402]

Been riding my grenadier like a mule in the mountains and no problems so far😂

[@yuan81]

It does look fantastic!

[@r2d2hunter38]

I saw one today in tan and it looked really good. So now I’m here researching them cuz I’ve never heard of them

[@NYCS19339]

I love the light blue with the white top!

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

@@NYCS19339The light blue, British racing green & mushroom white are my favorites for this vehicle, though I will say that the dark blue is quite attractive as well.

[@jfdoherty3448]

Another excellent video, Alex!

[@matthewprather7386]

Steering: I had a 2018 JL Wrangler. Bad steering ended up causing me to sell it. It was loose. And it had friction. The looseness required a lot of correction magnitude. The friction made it taxing to drive because it took a lot of effort to cancel the looseness and masked the feel needed to tell when the lash had been taken up by hand. The dealer replaced the steering box, the damper, and added a brace, which helped a bit. But they never fixed the friction. Being a first year JL I suspect there was an alignment problem with the steering shaft or the u-joints. Really frustrating because I enjoyed nearly everything else about the Jeep.

[@DavesIneosGrenadier]

The steering in this is nothing like the Jeep steering.

[@Pratik2126]

after such a long time, a professional review on this vehicle. Cheers team keep up the good work.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Alex, Thanks for the practical reminder that I don't want a hole in the roof of my house or the roof of my car. 😉🌧🌦🌨

[@DavesIneosGrenadier]

The safari windows are fantastic. I had mine covered with high quality heat reflective window tinting. Blocks out 96% of the heat and 63% of the light and 99% of the UV. They add 4" to the interior roof height above/ in front of your head as well. I live in a very hot part of Australia and when getting into the vehicle I pop the safari windows up and the cabin is cool in a minute. Skylights in houses are also extremely popular around here with the same tint on them. It is what the tint was initially made for.

[@andyorr1597]

@@DavesIneosGrenadierten years from now, a good percent of safari window vehicles will be dealing with leaks. Twenty years from now, they all will. Nature of the beast. Rubber seals, direct sunlight and a vibrating surface are, so far, unbeatable opponents.

[@davidsullivan3698]

Keep it at least 24 months! Good content.

[@aprilsovich7202]

Great product explanation! Thank you!

[@alexwbakker]

You really gotta try the caster adjustment. I've done it to mine and it really solves a lot of the problems.

[@husshardan3511]

I really wanted to dislike the Grenadier. But now I want one so bad. I love my Wrangler Rubicon - especially since I installed a Bestop Sunrider top which allows me to flip the front open in seconds - but this Grenadier IMO is a bigger, European version of that. Want the solid axles. Want that boxy body! Want it in Magic Mushroom..

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

If you haven’t seen Ronny Dahl’s Ineos videos, check em out. He’s got one in mushroom & it’s all kitted out. He definitely puts it through its paces.

[@skyknight2095]

As a grape farmer in Northern California, I was thinking about getting one of these. As a matter of fact I even got a build spout for me. But after TFL and others started their reviews I decided to keep my 21 Ram EcoDiesel. The things I wasn’t excited about was the lack of centering of the steering wheel, heavy vague steering, large turning radius, no push button start and limited seat lumbar. I’m in and out of my truck all day and quite frankly the Ram is such a refined ride that I ultimately couldn’t overcome the cool factor of the Ineos. Then I asked my wife if she wanted to get rid of her Velar and after looking at the enormity of the Ineos, she decided that the LR RR Sport was the better vehicle for her. I still love the overall look of the Grenedier but I’d really like those shortcomings addressed hopefully on the next version.

[@psjasker]

My co-worker was considering two different car brands recently (Acura vs Mercedes). I sent him right to this channel. Best on KZbin! My goodness though; is Alex living in the Amazon jungle?

[@dirtandhappiness2023]

It’s fantastic first effort. They need to address the steering, the weight (it’s SO heavy!), and the engine (needs more power), and the tires (really needs a 35” tire option).

[@michaelbowers5675]

I was under the impression that the update to be able to turn off the speed warning beeping and have it stay off is being tested in the USA and already rolled out to some owners. No longer will you have to turn off the speed warning beep every time you turn the vehicle on. Will be a few months more until its rolled out to everyone and the testing is completed.

[@chublez]

Esp32 could easily push the button for you. Just saying.

[@jesmor3]

Confirmed

[@AAutoBuyersGuide]

They have confirmed they are working on it, just got an email today about it, however they won't give me any dates at all...

[@WestUCoog]

Nice update.

[@FieldWorxoverlandadventures]

Nice review thanks, since you had to go to LA to get service, you probably know but just wanted to let you know now there’s a new dealer that opened up in San Rafael Marin county which is nice, I am considering a Grenadier at the moment being a longtime jeep owner and now bronco raptor owner my decision will be coming down to test driving the Grenadier and I most likely would order the 2025 model exactly the way I want it but I think it’s really a neat vehicle I wish it did have a little bit better steering and more power would give it a little bit more fun factor other than that I did sit in one and I felt right at home.

[@MrHellsteeth]

Good honest review. I want!

[@aggitravel]

I’ve had mine 10 months no issues at all

[@npero4946]

I picked up magnetic mesh shades for the safari windows and a windshield shade from SnapShade in Australia.

[@creativereinvestor]

The Grenadier, manufactured by Ineos Automotive, is a vehicle inspired by classic Land Rovers, specifically the Land Rover Defender. While the design may seem similar, Ineos has taken steps to avoid infringing on Land Rover’s intellectual property rights, which are owned by Jaguar Land Rover (JLR). JLR even tried to protect the classic Defender design as a trademark, but in 2020, a British court denied this request, arguing that the design was not “sufficiently distinctive” to be protected. This paved the way for Ineos to continue with the Grenadier design without facing significant legal action. In addition, the Grenadier is sufficiently different in terms of detailing and engineering to help avoid allegations of direct copying, so so far, Land Rover has not sued Ineos over the Grenadier.

[@baltazarkosa29]

great decision to leave this car for your Company - it's really fun to spend weekend with!

[@redstaper2414]

Hate the steering for city driving. Great farm car.

[@technom3598]

There is a fix for it. You out on a lighter steering stabilizer and it fixes it

[@AndresK5Blazer]

I really like your property! Please do an update of improvements.

[@chad2886]

Good update but some opinions on how it pulls and handles the weight of a trailer behind it would've been great

[@rogue13131313]

Unwieldy on the highway?....shoot, try taking a spin in my 1971 International Scout 800b.... changing lanes on its own is a way of life

[@ALMX5DP]

lol I think you mean way of ending life. Unwieldy may not be the best term but I bet it’s not far off if using modern rack and pinion setups is a reference point.

[@UnbendingMetal]

It's an echo back to the 80 Series Land Cruiser, from 1993- 1997 with the suspension, drivetrain and locking differentials. Hopefully the durability and reliability is there also. Though the water leak is troubling after only 6 months. I really wish they were able to change the shift lever from the BMW model, not a great execution on a rugged off-road vehicle.

[@matthewprather7386]

Steering gear, not rack. Used to enable large suspension travel without alignment problems.

[@The_Opinion_of_Matt]

I was very disappointed that TFL skipped getting the towing package on their Grenadier. I tow, not a lot, but when I do tow it us usually a car to the shop. I really wanted to know how the Grenadier was for towing. I see yours has the tow hitch. I'll have to subscribe and see if you have any videos towing with it.

[@willito1211]

You guys should make it the office mascot!!

[@willito1211]

Keep it forever & sell other junk cars you guys probably have

[@labradachig1976]

I'll be waiting for the redesign with adaptive cruise control.

[@joshua43214]

I looked this over a while back, and passed. I am not a Land Rover guy, I'm a Jeep guy. It would be nice if they put the same energy into building an updated Grand Cherokee. They would certainly get a lot of interest from those of us who have been abandoned by Jeep and are considering Broncos. Oh, and I despise that instrument cluster arrangement. Pretty close to a deal breaker even if I was interested in the thing.

[@sentiencepsn2714]

13:45 Wow. Really surprised by the fuel economy. I’ve got a GX460, and have averaged around 16mpg in mixed city driving, 20 on highways.

[@chibbyylol]

well one is a pretty up to date in tech efficient turbo inline 6 and the other is an undertuned port injection only NA v8 that debuted and was cutting edge in...2006 lol

[@technom3598]

No way you get 20mpg average on the highway unless your highest speed is 60-65mph and have no wind or hills.

[@Silverfox1982]

Very trivial, but that Bimmer shifter is still unforgivable. Def a cool wagon tho

[@SaltShack]

I think there is a little bit of mass hysteria around the steering. I think I’ve been a victim of it as after two months of driving my Grenadier I got into my 2021 200 Land Cruiser and kind of expected it to drive itself but it didn’t take any less correction than my Grenadier and my Grenadier tracks even a little better. Now when correcting the correction is different but not more frequent than the Cruiser. That being said I did install the Eibach Lift Springs and new 255 85/17 Cooper Discoverer ST MAXX tires that I remember noticing a minor improvement from stock. The Land Cruiser is also lifted with OME BP 51 shocks and cooper tires.

[@StephenChiles]

1500 miles on mine - first drive was 400 miles home from delivery. Drove similar to my '09 Rubi. Not a g-wagon luxe mobile, but plenty stable.

[@markelliott6105]

I don’t know what is going on with steering in the US. I’ve done thousands and thousands of miles on freeways and have never experienced, wandering, vagueness or constant correction. It’s really puzzling. Does nobody check wheel alignment? Are the roads really uneven?

[@billgreenley4013]

I have almost 13,000 miles on mine in Iowa. Steering a non-issue. At the beginning I think I had a tendency to over correct, which of course resulted in a lot of input. Really love this vehicle.

[@mikefoster7085]

Some owners have experienced this, I've driven 5 Grenadiers and 2 have had the wandering but this goes with time.

[@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow]

Keep it for a while -- very cool vehicle.

[@marcusgilliam3269]

The steering reminds me of the 85 Chevrolet C10 I learned to drive in. There was nearly 2 inches of play in the steering. Not a problem nearly as distracting as other reviewers are claiming. Although, my mom couldn't drive it to save her life so I can understand the viewpoint. I just don't believe it's useful for this purpose built vehicle.

[@AAutoBuyersGuide]

Ours doesn't have "play" in it, it's quite direct, it just has zero feel, doesn't return to center, and requires constant correction.

[@marcusgilliam3269]

@@AAutoBuyersGuide mmmmm... yeah that does not describe the 85 C10.

[@ianduncan7189]

to correct you.....the Landrover you show at 1:19 is not a Defender. it is a Stage I, 109 safari. The Stage I was a Series III (leaf sprung) fitted with the Rover 3.5 ltr V8 petrol engine. The Stage I was in production from 1979 until 1983. It was the last incarnation of the leaf spring Series III Landrover. It was also fitted with permanent four wheel drive. The transmission coming from the Range Rover. The Defender is a completely different vehicle having coil springs, introduced in 1983 as the 110 (wheelbase length 110 inches). Then 90 with 90 inch wheelbase. These were eventually to be renamed as "Defender". Production of the "Defender" stopped in 2016. in my view. I have seen a number of "Grenadiers" although not yet driven one. And I am sure they are very good. The "Grenadier" is not a replacement for the Defender (1983 to 2016 variant). Grenadier and to some extent my current 2006 built Td5 90 Defender.....all have too much electronic gadgetry which makes their durability and reliability questionable over the life of the vehicle. Now if Ineos built a no frills zero electronic Grenadier (at a much lower price)......they would be onto a real winner. Manual gearbox, locking diffs, basic 6 cylinder diesel....they would sell many more....(think military spec G Wagon.....).....hard top, soft top.....optional extra....a radio. I (we in UK) expect a Landrover to last 30 years at least!......the last non electronic defender was the 300Tdi engine....which makes them so sought after for overland expeditions and basic no frills farm work. (still in use by the British Army in the Wolf variant) let us know in 20 years how the Grenadier is doing please. the basic utilitarian no frills Defenders 110 & 90s will still be running.....all be it....on a new chassis!

[@manu144x]

Are you a king or something, how much land do you have? :))

[@JackMcRoberts]

I got the buzz too, apparently there's "no fix" from the dealer.

[@Sertsch]

Did Tommy from TFL force you to tell the Grenadier Pub Story? :D

[@KevinSmith-qi5yn]

Should Ram Re-introduce their SUV version of the Power Wagon? Then we would have a vehicle of each size class to choose from. I find new 2025 2-door Wranglers to be surprisingly small. The Ineos dealer near me has like 100 Grenadiers in their backlot.

[@noname0858]

The instrument cluster is poorly positioned, dim, and reflective. An analog cluster in the traditional position, with a center screen for Carplay/Android auto, would be the more pragmatic approach.

[@michaelperry7559]

One more question on the a/c; do you all find it t be super loud coming from under the hood? Dealer tells me it is normal but seems incredibly loud.

[@lcg1968]

Same a/c buzz for me but only when it’s on auto

[@willatkins9686]

looks like a gym run!

[@dpark189]

this thing is expensive don't get me wrong, but honestly it's not as expensive as I was expecting. it's cheaper than some pickup trucks these days.

[@buster_1972]

Is there any USB sockets in the dashboard?

[@michaelperry7559]

Is the fact it has solid front axel that creates the death wobble issue?

[@AAutoBuyersGuide]

In a nutshell: yes. For specifics, check out solid axle design pros/cons, there's a ton of research on this.

[@icare7151]

Keep it for at least a year.

[@PoppoFitz]

I regret letting go of my 1963 Kaiser Jeep Wagoneer!

[@RichardMillet-RM]

Seems like an interesting toy for folks with a lot of disposable income 🤔

[@bernelnery2191]

I think you nailed this comment 😂

[@freidrichnietzsche6643]

Do the rear seats have heat/AC vents?

[@Yoyomanmanholla]

No AC quirks with your IG?

[@DonnaBloch]

The drain tube problem is such a BMW problem a

[@mdruben]

That BMW gear selector is throwing me off. It doesn't match the ruggedness of the vehicle.

[@nodak81]

I love the idea but just way too pricey.

[@ichinichisan]

I'm sure the Europeans are happy to have the speeding nanny (required or not), given the ubiquity of road cameras that mail out speeding tickets, but, yeah, most Americans aren't going to put up with that! 😂

[@peopleschamp7258]

Ppl say open all the vents in the rear and the fan sound goes away.

[@WhoDeanyUnchained]

I think he's making an earthship

[@erhardt1477]

The only thing I’m having a issue is … the price 😢

[@markmccall9027]

Closest comparison is a Jeep Wrangler. Lol. Not even close.

[@djplonghead5403]

Hummer 2.0

[@protogenxl]

Don't Pull the Pin!!!!!

[@matthewprather7386]

Old joke: How do you make a small fortune building cars.. Start with a large fortune..

[@codygideon7282]

How many times can someone say etcetera in 30 minutes?

[@kennethprocak5176]

Only US mention Jeep rubbish, the rest of the world have the Toyota 70 series.

[@naveenthemachine]

I don’t understand why i never see Alex’s press cars on the road. His office is only 10 mins away from where I live. His office is off Lundy Ave and Trade Zone Blvd. I know because I pass by that area every day.

[@chibbyylol]

He knows about you and has been hiding

[@naveenthemachine]

@@chibbyylol 🤣😂

[@kenkozawa9810]

Naveen Lanza.

[@protogenxl]

@@chibbyylol alex has a full counter surveillance team

[@naveenthemachine]

Geez what do you people think I am? A stalker? 🤣

[@arnick2]

HATE the center instrument cluster. They say its better for off-road, etc. but it is absolutely awful!!!!! Ask Mini and others car companies how long that specific feature survived or is "desired".

[@stannovacki2406]

swell, another vanity project for a gazillionaire.

[@mj8495]

Just look at those fancy wheels 😂

[@technom3598]

Your welcome?

[@gaivoron]

Wait, it's DOA!

[@minniesaab7255]

👍👍👍👍

[@icare7151]

Needs a programable color HD HUD.

[@willswanson2145]

No it doesn’t.

[@icare7151]

@@willswanson2145 In my opinion after enjoying a HUD in my Lexus, it is a great safety feature keeping one’s eyes forward on the road vs down and ever worse down and to the right to get even basic data of speed, navigation, etc.

[@Localtraveler2376]

You can’t use the table of contents! It isn’t there. I’ve heard the history a billion times.

[@AAutoBuyersGuide]

We keep trying to re-add it and it's not working for some reason, we're asking YT Support for help, but they are slooooooow

[@HarlemGreatest]

18.5 miles per gallon is horrible 😂

[@amanasd26]

not for a vehicle in this class

[@pgilb70]

Surprised it was just a roof leak not the bmw engine leak . Time will tell.

[@XXPS60]

The thing is so butt ugly do you have to wear a bag over your head to drive it? I'd sure hate to be seen in it.............

[@ALMX5DP]

You’re that self conscious when driving a vehicle?

[@blegi1245]

@@ALMX5DP penile compensation is the primary function of a car to many people.

[@kennethprocak5176]

Outside of US every country use D shackles to hook up trailer chains, not hooks. 🪝