We've Owned Our Ram 2500 Cummins for 6 Months: Here’s The One Thing Ram Needs To Change Immediately!

[@tramsey5682]

Tommy insisting all farmers want a regular cab long box doesn't reflect reality. 5th generation farmer here, farm 3000 acres in south central Nebraska, my truck is a 2022 ram 2500 laramie crew with short box/ram box. Truck is a beast, pulls great, gets decent mileage, fits all my tools, turns tight enough to get in and out of fields, and I can load up the kids and go to church on Sunday. It's my office space, work horse, and family hauler all in one. Life is less stressful with this truck in my garage.

[@lyndonhamby7432]

Yes sir. Cummins 👍💪🏻

[@hickoryridgefarms]

Thanks for still farming. As hard as it is you are doing what a lot of us want to do.

[@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849]

He’s just enjoying rebelling against his dad haha

[@Bluesjet1234]

Glad you got your farm by dead relatives

[@Bluesjet1234]

Tommy likes big Ds

[@07GTStallion]

My 2019 Ram 2500 Crew Cab 4x4 Cummins Tradesman has been amazing. Bought it new in Sep. 2019 (Just before all this BS) paid $53k OTD! Sticker $56,450) It's got 25k miles on it now and has been flawless! I've towed several trailers with it, from 5k lbs to 15k lbs and it will put a smile on your face. Incredible value! Would recommend! Lol I'll be keeping this truck for at least the next 10-15 years.

[@frankmoreno1162]

I agree with you on the payload issue and that's why I bought a 3500. The 2500 would have been at the top end of the max. The other reason is that the 3500 comes with the Isen transmission which is much stronger and produces 1000 foot pounds of torque. I'm very happy with it.

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

My Titan XD also has the same Aisin transmission, though the input shaft and torque converter are different. They do shift harder but whem towing it really makes a difference. Soon as you jit 2md gear the torque converter locks up amd stays locked. Only issue I habe is Nissans terrible shift mapping and the laggy response to the throttle inputs. But it is a very stout transmission.

[@kevanray]

Only HO 3500 trucks come with the Aisin and 1000 lb-ft of torque. My dually 3500 Ram has the regular 68RFE in it and we pulled a 45ft fifth wheel with zero issues. They are plenty strong on a stock truck.

[@seagullsbtn]

The Cummins costs several hundred pounds in payload over the hemi in the 2500. If you must have a Cummins, get the 3500.

[@robertkiell]

agreed and i wish i brought 1 ton truck but settled with 3/4 ton regretted but i like it better than pos ford

[@FishFind3000]

@@robertkiell depending on your gvwr your yearly registration tags will go up and sometimes a lot. And also might require inspections.

[@jasonpitts8395]

My 2021 RAM 2500 is awesome. I got lucky and got mine right before the madness started. Mine is the mega cab. Love it

[@lyndonhamby7432]

Yes sir. Cummins 👍💪🏻

[@ubeuonly]

Mega cab is something that's not even offered in Ford and Chevy not to mention coil spring suspension and optional air suspension. Ram is way out front

[@mattdelany6799]

Wait until your turbo goes out. My 2018 failed last week. $8900 to fix it. Out of warranty.

[@gpocat4518]

I also have a 2022 Ram Diesel. On my trip to CO from south central AZ we got 23MPG!!! We were not towing. Very impressive for a full sized truck. Though, I wish it got better MPG at 75MPH, it suffers but I found that it really loves 65MPH and gets it's best MPG at that speed, even towing my RV,

[@omardevonlittle3817]

20' Ram 1500 gasser jus did 22.4 MPG1800 miles down and back up the east coast. plus city driving in central/southern FL full payload. family of 5 + gear. Woulda got 23+ if it was all highway and thats at 80 MPH. BLOWN AWAY! im keeping this truck for life.

[@mhess427]

23 is really good up to Colorado especially considering that trip is basically all up hill

[@jnk26]

I can do that with my 2020 6.7 Powerstroke with 3.31s. At 70mph it's still getting 10.3l/100km(22.83mpg) I have had it under 9.6l/100km(over 24.5mpg) many times. The advantage is the 10 speed wide ratios. I may have went with a Ram(if the cab was bigger) and it had a better set of ratios. I hate the high revs with the I6. I owned a Highway truck that cruised 1350rpm(1850lbft) at 65mpg grossing 140k lbs(B-train fuel tanker). I can't stand the B6.7, L9, or X12. They are the 3.5EB of the diesel world. Cummins is losing it with the downsizing. All of their current offerings are lazy compared to the competition. They are the only engine builder left so they don't really have to try anymore.

[@lyndonhamby7432]

Yes sir. Cummins 👍💪🏻

[@IntothewestOkotoks]

I get between 12.5-13.5 l/100kms (17.5-18.5 mpg) on the highway with my 2021 2500 with the 6.4. 2800 lbs payload. Big Horn with most options including ramboxes. Unless I’m pulling more than 10k lbs, I’m not missing a diesel, it does absolutely fine. I’m not one to spend money on appearance packages, but my bright white truck with that $3500 night edition does look really good, especially considering it’s “only” a Big Horn.

[@TheNewenglandboys]

I think some thought from another view may be helpful here. When you need a diesel and it's earning it's keep, ok. However for one thing, a realistic approach to calculating fuel mileage would be to compare miles to price per gallon. When diesel is $1.30 per gallon more than gas, how much are you really saving? You are paying for those few extra miles. Secondly that $9,500.00 extra for that diesel could buy a lot of gas. Thirdly, most people will be financing that truck which means you will be paying interest on that extra $9,500.00. So that $9,500.00 is no longer "just" $9,500.00! Fourthly, that diesel motor will cost far more to maintain. Not just in extra quarts of oil but in frequent fuel filters changes and other maintenance. Now consider the total cost of two identical trucks, one gas, one diesel being financed over say 7 years. Add the interest, the per gallon cost for fuel, and the maintenance vs how long the average person keeps their truck. The diesel may have a longer lifespan if it is maintained, but the bodies of both trucks will still rust and corrode at the same rate. Again, if you actually need a diesel and it's earning you money, then the diesel is for you. But if you get a diesel just to haul your camper once a year, a 5.7 hemi may fill the ticket and cost a lot less. As a side note, I got a zero interest rate on my 2020 Ram with the 5.7 and It's done everything I've needed it to do. Not knocking the diesel, when it's needed it's needed. But when it's not, that's a lot of money to consider. Remember, if your going to look at mileage, look at the per gallon price to.

[@doomsdaydiesel]

If you're that worried about money, buy a good used truck. Quit feeding these money-hungry auto manufacturers.

[@smchambs]

2003 2500 cummins, running 11.2 L per 100km. Hard to beat that for almost a 20 year old truck, and absolutely no emissions bullshit.

[@schuylerocheltree267]

Had our 2500 Cummins Mega Cab for a few months now and love it. We’re also in Denver and going up and down the mountain in this is a dream. So much torque it doesn’t know the mountain is there, decent mileage vs other rigs that are floored going up the mountain, and the exhaust brake I have to think will prolong brake life and prevent brake fade on the long descents. Funny how elevation was a problem best solved by a towing rig.

[@ryananderson6321]

The true exhaust brake and the cummins inline 6 motor are hard to beat!

[@lyndonhamby7432]

That’s right sir are they anything else 😂😂👍💪🏻

[@williamdkennedy1065]

So, when you get out of warranty, have your truck “piped” Ditch the cat converters, DEF and put a chip on it. Add a muffler. You will increase your milage and performance while having a cleaner burning rig. My 2015 Mega SLT gets 20+ mpg / 14-16mpg towing. It did not pass a smog check because of the visual inspection. Less actual emissions though. Just about to pick up a ‘22 Mega Big Horn in Kellogg Idaho.

[@ericsvalland4417]

I have a 2020 Ram 2500 Tradesman with the 6.4 Hemi. Love it. Only thing I didn't like from the factory was the tires. They are great on pavement, dry and wet roads, but not that great in snow. I live in Northern NY and we get snow. Lots of it. We're always in the to 5 listing of snowiest places in the US. At 11k miles, I upgraded to Falken Wildpeak AT3's, and love them. Shortly after the tire swap we took a vacation (in late winter) to Northern California. Picked up a small TT trailer in SLC that we rented for a couple of weeks. After a week in NorCal, we drove down Hwy 395 to the Mojave and dry camped for a week with friends, before heading back up to SLC to drop off the trailer, and continue east via I-80 and 90. 33K miles later, and the Falkens are still doing great.

[@patrickdunbar5124]

We bought a 2020 RAM 2500 Night Version in RED, we average 22.9 miles per gallon and when pulling our 30 ft. travel trailer loaded at 7200 lbs we average 15.2 miles per gallon. This is what we average from Los Angles to Louisville Kentucky and back. I have owned Chevy all my life as my Dad worked for GMAC in upper management, but with him gone we broke the mold and we are very happy with our sexy RAM Heavy-Duty Cummins Diesel Truck.

[@Mattman2500]

Picked my 2022 Ram Bighorn up in December 2021. I went with the 6.4 Hemi. I'm going to pass a lot of dudes off here. Imo 99% of the guys who buy diesel trucks. Just get them because it's a diesel. Fuel prices suck , payload suck, Def additives suck, freezing fuel sucks . The Hemi doesn't have to regen. I have 2,900lbs of payload around 17,500lbs towing. I pull a 15k gooseneck dump all the time . So far the 6.4 is awesome. I ha e 35" tires on 4:10 gears . Empty I get 14 to 14.5 mpg towing 9 to 12 mpg .

[@danielt.781]

This vid is for diesel only 😉

[@ncurc9766]

I tow with a tundra, the idea i like about a diesel is it wont be screaming while towing like a typical gas engine, sometimes running 3500 rpm for 7 hours straight can be fatiguing

[@Mattman2500]

@ncurc9766 My trailer is 4,200lbs empty. I tow over 10k regularly. Trust me these HD gas trucks or more than capable. Why ever one is stuck on that myth. That " If you are going to tow get a diesel ". If that is how you feel then maybe you should do more research.

[@ncurc9766]

@@Mattman2500 keep saving your pennies bud youll be able to afford a diesel someday

[@Mattman2500]

@ncurc9766 So you think I couldn't afford one lol. I used that 10k I saved of diesel and bought a dump trailer. Now instead of losing $$ on fuel and all the other problems. I'm making $$$$ . You must be one of those guys . That was posted cold start videos of their diesel lol.

[@specforged5651]

I have the same truck in white/night edition Laramie. I’ve had it exactly a year today. Given it has 9500 miles on it, (i have a Raptor so it sits in the garage unless pulling) but it’s been amazing and I seriously love it. It’s my 9th HD Diesel truck in the last 10 years. I’ve had them all. Love the GM because of the Allison , by far the best trans ever in a pickup, well the 6 speed real Allison anyways. The Powerstroke, they have great power and the trans is great. It seems to handle the real heavy weight better as far as chassis. I was a little worried about the 68RFE, but so far so good, I guess that is what warranties are for. I only keep them about a year anyways. My Logan Coach snowmobile trailer weighs about 14-15k all loaded up on a long trip. We go all over the west and even up to BC. In addition my ski boat weighs about 9k loaded for a trip to Lake Powell and that is nothing. Gas mileage is about the same towing those two trailers at about 12-14 and over 20 unloaded. The 68RFE has been fine, but leaves something to be desired. However, the Cummins grunt is just amazing. It will sit there at 15-1700rpm and grunt along all day where the other two V8s like to rev. The exhaust brake is also by far the best. Now I’m just waiting for a new trans announcement and I’ll order another one. If not, I’ll just order a one ton with an Aisin because they’re impossible to find on the lot. I would have purchased that in the first place if I could have found one with the correct package.

[@Jay-hp6pu]

@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ 🤡

[@specforged5651]

@@icenbryse5190 Agreed, and I really hope to see that new trans soon. They know it’s their downfall and are losing sales because of it, so it would have to come pretty soon I think. Oh ya that 8 speed ZF beefed up would be awesome. They already have the 8HP95 they use in Hellcat, Several Rolls Royce and BMW’s (V12s) as well as the Aston Martin DBS. The ratings on that specific trans is 1000nm (750ish ftlbs) so it wouldn’t take much. Let’s see a 8HP100 to handle the Cummins and I’ll order one tomorrow. ZF makes extremely good transmissions so I wouldn’t hesitate on that. 10 speeds may be ok for the V8s, but with the torque curve of the Cummins, 8 speeds is plenty. I’ve pulled some pretty heavy loads with a Super Duty and just don’t see the benefits of the 10 speeds with the Diesel, it still skips half of them anyways even with the way those V8s love to rev. We’ll keep our fingers crossed, hopefully we see it soon.

[@crysp1998]

I have a 2021 Ram 2500. I love it. I had an F150 before and went on one out of state road trip with a travel trailer. When we got home we traded it in the next week. It's much safer, the exhaust break is amazing. I do wish the payload was a bit higher. But at the same time the coil springs make it a more comfortable daily driver.

[@zhx7597]

3500 is the answer

[@lyndonhamby7432]

Towing monster. Are they anything else 😂👍💪🏻

[@GNR325]

To be fair, the 68RFE does have a good reputation. As others have said, it is only when power is added that they run into issues.

[@lyndonhamby7432]

You are correct sir

[@stephenbaker5431]

Great video, I just bought a RAM Warlock with the Hemi. It is my 5th RAM since 1989. I will never get another brand of truck

[@z33tanner]

I can't even afford to keep my old 02' Silverado 8.1 big block running right as a dealership tech by occupation... i couldn't imagine how many issues these generation trucks with have with all the added features and tech. New trucks aren't even on my radar the prices have got so high.

[@brandonorban]

That's because your spending all your money on fuel

[@narule2695]

You sound poor

[@ericreid8111]

Very strong "get off my lawn" vibe

[@z33tanner]

@@ericreid8111 I'm 24 but you're also right get off my lawn

[@0HOON0]

What problems are common on the big blocks?

[@cliffsense3741]

68RFE will do you just fine because you're keeping it stock and towing light loads, or at least within the manufacturer's specifications. It's the guys that tune for crazy horsepower and/or think they can tow like an 18 wheeler that gave these transmissions a bad reputation. Service the transmission at least every 60K and she'll treat you right! How do I know? I sold my 2011 with 330K and it never once let me down. It was a 3500 single rear wheel with crew cab and 8 ft. bed, think loooong! It had a mild tune which put it right about the same power rating as this one. And I did tow some big loads through the mountains on the east coast. My biggest mistake was selling it....I miss that truck!

[@kevanray]

68RFE is honestly easier to deal with as a daily. It's nice and smooth but still plenty stout for a stock truck. If you're towing professionally, or very heavy, make the jump to the Aisin. I've had two 68RFE trucks now and never had an issue. One was a dually pulling a 45ft fifth wheel and the other is a 2500 daily. Both were fully stock trucks. Edit: I think the internet has built this stigma up way too much and scared people into thinking these transmissions will grenade on a stock truck.

[@theantiqueactionfigure]

Mine had to be rebuilt at 49,xxx miles. Towing nothing but a half ton towable camper, mostly interstate. Well under payload. These transmissions are hit and miss and mine was a miss from the factory for sure. The rebuilt transmission with factory updates shifts better than ever.

[@michaelmatthews4356]

Your phone was connecting just fine. As soon as it shows “CarPlay” on the icons on the bottom of the screen, just tap that and it’ll take you into CarPlay. Easy.

[@cactuscanuck6802]

Hey TFL, good video. I'll let you know right now, when you're in snow those OEM tires are not fun at all. If you need to do much snow driving with those, you'll be looking for the nearest tire shop quick!

[@wannabeangler]

In all honesty, that is the truck that most of us would get. Yes there are a few that may buy high end trucks, but my guess is the majority would go with this configuration. Well done and well presented.

[@PureBlood777]

Speak for yourself I would never buy that crap

[@wannabeangler]

@@PureBlood777 I am speaking for myself. You just had to troll. Well done.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

This truck is high end garbage. Ram interiors are trashed in 3 years

[@johnnicpon5783]

@@jacobstrutner8232 I have a 2020 Ram 2500 Limited MegaCab. The interior is the best on the market hands down!!!. In my third year of ownership and the interior still look new. So much for your statement.

[@wannabeangler]

@@johnnicpon5783 They are trolls looking for comments. There will always be haters and soyboys.

[@fike301]

Picked up a used model yesterday with 14k miles….. very nice truck

[@sly9263]

I don't want (or need) to deal with the hassle of modern diesel but man do I love using those exhaust brakes.

[@edkruzel]

I would love to see a price break down for every piece of a truck right down to the last nut and bolt. It cost X amount to create this vehicle, and Y amount in markup. That would make for an interesting video.

[@jm-hb9tl]

The main reason for the lower payload is only because of back springs instead of leaf springs for the ride confort. You don't get leaf srings until you upgrade to the 3500. You can increase the payload capacity by simply upgrading the springs or adding air bags to support more weight.

[@DigbyMaccus]

Not true. Payload is more about safely hauling the weight than breaking components

[@jm-hb9tl]

@@DigbyMaccus I know what the payload weight rating is for. Just telling you why Ram went in the direction they did with the rear springs and why they're rated less than their competitors. A 2500 is equipped with coil springs in the back which naturally give the truck a better ride quality but with a less payload rating than it's competitors that are still running on leaf springs in their 3/4 tons which can take a little heavier loads but does make it for a rougher ride quality. Now if you want the bigger payloads and heavier towing in a Ram then you have to level up to the 3500 1 ton which are equipped with leaf springs.

[@theoriginalrjt21]

@@jm-hb9tl Railcars have coil springs. ... ... There's more to it than just the spring type.

[@jm-hb9tl]

@@theoriginalrjt21So now we're comparing trucks to railcars. Ok🤣😂🤣

[@justinbradley3924]

@@jm-hb9tl well the dude is right. The payload on any 3/4 ton diesel truck with a gvwr of 10k is pretty dismal, regardless of if they have coils or leaves.

[@machfive916]

Great video guys! The Cummins inline 6 is a true beast.

[@brandonsmith3447]

"dirt simple", my new phrase. TY Andre! :

[@duffy1298]

Ram really earned a fan when they updated my fuel pump. I love my 2500

[@johnnicpon5783]

Another enjoyable TFL video! The Cummins is an awesome engine. However, if I was going to buy one I would chose the 3500 as the 2500 payload with the Cummins is abysmal. The 2500 is best with the 6.4 Hemi and 8 speed trans. Second, given the low dealer inventory and the costs of these beasts, ordering seems to be the way to go. This way you get exactly what you want. Hey, for this price point one should never just settle. Lastly, those Firestone Transforce tires are IMHO horrendous. They are AT in name only!!! Put on a set of Cooper Discoverer AT3 XLT's and you will see quite a difference.

[@Sinsofcarolina]

I got stuck in wet grass with those terrible transforce tires. They’ve been ok on the hwy for 20k miles but my Wildpeaks will be here Friday. Toodles

[@CharlesHam1906]

Hemi 2500 longhorn owner with Cooper xlts agrees!!!

[@stanr5645]

The Firestones where well I have 25000 on mine half worn!

[@hullihenfamily829]

GM decided to throw the 10,000lb GVWR for 2500 trucks out the window which is really only for tax purpose on commercial vehicles in some states. Thats how they got the higher payload rating. The real world payload on this Ram is way higher, that's true for Ford also. You will notice most of the 2500 trucks have 6500lb axes that is the same as standard 3500 axles. some 3500's have 6750 or 7000lb axles increasing its payload more. The coil springs on the ram will collapse more than the Ram 3500 leaf springs so the 3500 can handle more payload. but my experience the coil suspension collapse less then the 3500 ford leaf spring suspension. Real world the Ram 2500 GVW is more like 11,250 pounds so you can add 1250 pounds more to the sticker payload. I know all you payload nazi's are going to scream but a a tax sticker isnt real world engineering. I have put 3000lbs of payload in my Ram 2500 CTD Laramie more times i can count. It drives great and performs will like that and the suspension isnt anywhere near collapsed. only about 2.5" sag. Fast Lane Truck, put 3000lbs in the bed out at the Ranch and drive around and you will see the Ram wont care one bit. I know you cant report on that because that would go against the sticker but my guess you already know this about 2500 trucks.

[@lyndonhamby7432]

I just bought a one ton and haul or tow anything. Love it 👍💪🏻

[@ajmedeiros77]

That’s fine if you wan to tow/haul illegally and take the chance of getting fined. But I agree with you just like the power wagon it can handle more than what the sticker says.

[@hullihenfamily829]

Only if your using your vehicle commercially can you get fined. It’s a commercial and restriction not a private restriction.

[@Captain-Awesome]

The SRW one ton trucks are only 1,000 more than the 3/4 ton trucks when new. That should be the same for the pre owned market as well. I do 100% agree they can handle more than shown, especially the Ford F450’s. They have been rated as low as they are just consumer use.

[@keithtrumble7029]

I have a 2020 Big Horn and replaced the headlight bulbs with led, big difference. Just make sure they are usable on the Ram or you will trigger an error code.

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

Problem with retrofitting an LED to a halogen housing is the light pattern from the LED is different than a fillament bulb and thus your light pattern isn't as good. You end up either blindimg oncoming traffic or your hot spots are in a different place and you have dark spots with less "throw" so while they light up close really well but often don't project the light as far down the road.

[@garyo4456]

I don’t understand if you have issues of payload and whatnot that you don’t buy to avoid those issues. You’ve heard “You get what you pay for!” Don’t knock the shortcoming you bought!

[@landscapingspecialist]

I learned how to ride on one of those. So nostalgic to see one. I should bid on it

[@OzarksWildman]

One of the biggest things someone would be concerned with about that truck is getting the right fifth wheel slider hitch and how not to crush the cab.

[@OzarksWildman]

Oh man! Yeah, the pin weight can be 2500 pounds on a medium size fifth wheel.

[@R_00N]

@@Jbs6187 Unless you're going to get a regular cab 4x2 it honestly isn't worth getting a 3/4 diesel. A 3/4 gas would make more sense but then you can't realistically hall the huge payload it has because of the gas engine. Better off going straight to the 1ton if you're hauling heavy loads or a 5th wheel. 3/4 ton for medium loads and travel trailers work well though.

[@R_00N]

@@Jbs6187 Good combination, my rule of thumb around 6-7k max for a 1/2 ton. 7-10k for a 3/4 and anything over that get a 1ton. Sure a 1/2ton can haul 10k but it won't be a good experience.

[@J.Young808]

Morimoto makes an LED replacement. Sylvaina replacement top tier ultra bright bulbs. I put them in my BMW and they really brighten up.

[@anthonyc1883]

“Three weeks of wind” from Mr. Truck sounds about right.

[@WaukeePaintballer]

I have a 2022 Ram 1500, and I can only get consistent use of android auto when I connect my phone directly with a usb cable. And only one of the numerous usb ports is data enabled, the rest are charging only. The Bluetooth connectivity leaves a lot to be desired.

[@ubeuonly]

State of the arts. And far superior to the Ford sync system. You may want to see if there's an update or try another family member's phone as long as it's not Apple. Apple products not only suck but they don't play nice with anyone else because they think they're an island and they don't have to be compatible whereas Android and Google will fall all over themselves to be compatible with everything. Lesson learned

[@Realtyguy]

Any issues with the DEF system? We had a 2021 in Colorado and had nothing but issues with the altitude. The system would go into “limp” mode all the time and had to be replaced twice. Eventually traded it in for a gasser.

[@DavidHaile_profile]

30k miles on 2022 often towing 10k lbs at 4-7000 ft. DEF gauge has always been zero. No regen yet! Wyoming and Montana thru one winter. Easy starts tested to -20f.

[@Woody17317]

The DEF system is the root cause for so many issues on these trucks…

[@Realtyguy]

@@DavidHaile_profile maybe it’s an over 7,000 feet kinda thing. We are at 8,000 and are often at 10k. Issues, issues, issues. Ram replaced the DEF system and then it did it again.

[@MegaRetr]

Wow Ram 2500 is really serious truck

[@Prestiged_peck]

Y'all still need to test the 6.2l F350 with the 10 speed!!! I feel like it would really be a lot more competitive with the diesel and the 7.3 with the same trans they have.

[@Goulet82291]

6.2 dosent get the 10 speed. Only the 7.3 and 6.7

[@Prestiged_peck]

@@Goulet82291 according to ford's website you CAN get the 6.2 with the 10 speed, but ONLY on the F350. The F250 cannot be ordered with both the 6.2 and the 10speed. And the f450 cannot even be ordered with the 6.2, but the f350 CAN be ordered with the 6.2 AND the 10 speed.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

@@Goulet82291 wrong. The f350 gets the 6.2/10 speed combo. Go look for yourself before you comment.

[@TFLtruck]

Yep, we would love to test one of these Ford Super Duty configurations. Hopefully - one day.

[@CoyoteFTW]

6.2 been out for a while now mine is 2018 F250 has 280k miles works Mon-Fri toes everyday love it

[@binkybop9252]

Lol we have a gas 2500 at the shop and it can do a three ton haul of limestone like it’s nothing. when it struggled was around 7 tons when it would have to go up an incline. Need to throw some real test at it guys

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

The one thing they need to change is those terrible mirrors! When they're folded down theres a blind spot and you get crosseyed everytime you check them to change lanes. Flip them up and you can't see the back of the vehicle without losing soght of whats beside you. Ford has the best mirrors in my experience aside from the fact they always get stuck. Same with my Titan XD, but those mirrors are made by the same company that makes Fords mirrors, except they dont get stuck like the ones on every Ford I've had as a company vehicle. The passenger footwell is so narrow because of thw transmission humo that it feels like I'm riding shotgun in an old Ford econoline van. The seats aren't very good either, and the A/C is terrible and foesnt blow hard ehough. I do like the interior amd how quiet it is though, and it does seem to ride much better than the other 3/4 tons. And they get the best fuel economy of any other 3/4 ton. In fact the Ram 6.7 does better than the 5.0 cummins in my Titan XD, but the XD is slightly heavier amd has 3.92 gears so its turning more rpms on the highway so thats a big factor.

[@lyndonhamby7432]

Love my Cummins. Hooked for life. No comparison for me

[@johnmcalisterjr3913]

I like to see the payload on the power wagon go up for towing and bed payload .like the tremor

[@DanBCooper]

The Tremor also ride like a tank. It’s give and take my dude.

[@tracyfry6464]

I would like to see a comparison between the truck you have and the Cummins H,O

[@ghostes]

I’m a service manager at a CJDR dealership and the main thing we see the most problems with is DEF contamination. My suggestion is to never buy DEF on tap anywhere. Only add it from a sealed container that has a good expiration date. Bad DEF will crystallize and can clog the injector. Also trucks with DEF systems shouldn’t idle for long periods of time and you don’t want to baby them, run ‘em hard!

[@ubeuonly]

Now talk to a service manager that works on Ford diesels all day everyday. It's a different story

[@dustinryan9671]

Have the DEF removed problem solved.

[@riccochet704]

My opinion. The 2500 diesel is best served for towing a heavy bumper pull. While the gas 2500 is better served towing a moderate 5th wheel. The elephant in the room is payload. That diesel eats away 1000 lbs of payload in the 2500, which leaves you with like 2000-2300 lbs. Whereas the 6.4 you have 2900-3200. Ram REALLY needs to offer a 11,200 lb GVWR option on the 2500 to compete with Ford and GM. Not everyone gives a crap about the soft, cushy ride that coil spring offer. Some want to use their truck for truck things, ride be damned. You hear that Ram?!? Give us a diesel 2500 with 3000-3500 lbs of payload!

[@mbukukanyau]

Andre needs to do that MPG loop with this Dodge Ram Cummins vs. GMC 3.0 liter Diesel 1500, The Cummins will lose, and you will find the issue is the batteries in the Hybrid not the 1500 capability, or F150 2.7 Ecoboost, or GMC 5.3 liter, or Dodge 5.7 Hemi.

[@riccochet704]

@@mbukukanyau I don't care about MPG in a heavy duty truck. I care about capability and reliability.

[@mbukukanyau]

@@riccochet704 Ah, My mistake, I was replying in the context of the Video MPG content

[@jeep2003]

It can carry alot more weight. Thats just when it starts hitting the bumpstops

[@hydro_rebel7741]

Looking at upgrading from a 1500 to a 2500, hows this been with the emissions stuff?

[@slowtomove]

2006 Dodge Ram 5.9 Cummins Long Horn diesel bought brand new. 135,000 miles 58re tyranny. No emissions crap so I don't have to delete anything. Still doesn't use any engine oil between changes. Regularly visit relatives 400 miles door to door and still have half a tank of diesel remaining when I get there. Beautiful long bed truck imo.

[@jamesorr2832]

You need to investigate how much these new Diesels run in the Regeneration Mode, its crazy, and when they do your MPG goes down about 2 & 3 MPG and will use a gallon of DEF fluid at about every 100 miles at 5 bucks a gallon!! Been there Done That.

[@Dankcatvacs]

damn 409 ci is big actually huge .have you guys compared old vs new cummins? Anybody remember getty up 409?

[@scottharris9318]

The low cargo capacity of diesel 3/4 tons is a bummer. Not enough for a light weight hard sided truck camper or the hitch and pin weight of a light fifth wheel. We have a 2018 Bighorn crew cab with the 6.7 liter Cummins and 2,395 lbs of cargo capacity. Average mpg pulling a 5,800 lbs travel trailer is 12.2.

[@GreenMountain565]

I agree although I think Ram with their next gen HD trucks will increase the GVWR’s like Chevy did. Ram and I think Ford as well cap their 3/4 trucks to 10k GVWR. Chevy bumped these numbers by 650-800 pounds on their 3/4’s GVWR’s, thus you actually get usable payload in their 3/4 ton diesel’s.

[@brentworls8509]

The nearly exact same thing with greater payload? the 3500. They already address that, with leaf springs. Very similar pricing.

[@dmaes3169]

You should add the tailgate damper so when you open the tailgate it drops slow. Part cost me $40

[@dustinryan9671]

I just use arm dampers they are free.

[@eichler721]

Diesel is kind of towing and farm work and has been since it came to the truck segment and no ICE or EV will be replacing it anytime soon.

[@dirtyrotter4057]

2024 rebel 2500 tows 14920.. but it all depends on where you look. I've seen some searches say 16870 and others 19680. What's up with that??

[@brentmcmahon8188]

To me keep engine brake on all the time to keep from getting the turbo gets coked up and the turbo brake quits working and that’s my way to keep turbo clean and the blades can chang from to large tubo by the actuator not be able to move from suet. I hope that helps some one and I have a 6 speed manual and with variable tubo sounds really good when down shifting as a retired car hauler for GM and down shifting saves brakes but we did not have the new turbos back then but we did have the best engine brake ever made and is still today is the Jake Brake and you can get one for your cummins in your Dodge trucks and with a straight pipe will sound just like a big truck and come in a 3 stage version but not cheap like 3000 bucks .

[@jshapiro34]

Since you have driven it for a set time go put banks parts on it and re drive for 7-10k and check all your stats Apparently everyone is adding the banks mass air The cold air The diff cover The exhaust And getting 5-7 mpg more all day long and more torq more hp and relieving stress points or maintenance points

[@ericadams920]

No they are not. Actual 3d party testing shows zero gain from Banks products.

[@nathanwoten6236]

Ya definatley i did a bit more than that on my 09 and got it tuned and i have a intercooler charge pipes intake injectors and a compound kit. Bu if i keep my foot out of it i see low 20s or high teens with a light trailer and sometimes around 12 or 13 if i drive right with 20k+ but usually stays right at 11 untill i get in to the hills once in a while the it drops about 2 ish mpg all around and its some real step back roads. But probably 60% of the time on on basicly flat ground where i live in ca in the central valley

[@razorback02]

How much fuel can I buy for the price difference between the diesel and the gas?

[@Slackware1995]

Why are you in "auto" engine brake mode for the test? The "full" mode is what you should be using while towing. The only reason is to require breaking to make the Chevy and Ford appear more competative than they are. It is likely if you were in "full" engine brake, tow/haul on and adaptive cruise control you wouldn't have required any manual brakes. I have a 15,000 pound gvw 5th wheel. Dry weight is 11,700 pounds. The model is 355rk and full length is 37.92 feet. About 2 months ago I took it from Western Washington to Eastern Washington with it loaded for camping including 1/2 tank fresh water (about 30-35 gallons). I drove across the Cascades via Washington highway 20. The downhill portion I set the adaptive cruise to 48 MPH (the speed limit varied from 50 to 55 MPH), tow/haul on, "full" engine brake on. The pass is 5575 feet and it drops to about 1750 feet in about 30 miles. I never needed to use the manual brake and never exceeded 50 MPH. I returned on I-90 westbound. For the downslop portion from the pass to Seattle I set the adaptive cruise for 60 MPH, it never exceeded 63 MPH and I never used the manual brake. I have gone over many hills with my rig and only 1 time I used the manual brake. This was when I first got the rig and some one pulled onto the freeway in front of me, they were going about 35 MPH. I didn't trust the systems to "just work". Now I know that I didn't need to manually brake. I do still move my foot over the brake pedal, just in case.

[@bret9741]

Hey… I grew up on a large ranch. We used both short and long bed trucks. Typically the short bed was a 1/2 ton for daily driver and pulling up to a 4 horse trailer. Truthfully we never pulled 4 horses unless the 1 ton was also being used for the same work with another trailer. Understand we never cared about legalities of trailer or truck combined weight, neither did the sherif or law enforcement. I don’t know a single rancher or farmer who had a wreck due to being over loaded, I’m sure there is someone somewhere that has. Regardless, I’m now a retired airline pilot, Bill Gates now owns the ranch. I own a new construction company. I’m on a job site right now and there isn’t one 8’ bed truck. Here is what I find crazy about the home construction industry. The owners of the construction company almost always drive a 3/4 or 1 ton long bed truck. Usually no more than 3 years old. Here is why, it’s a status symbol but more importantly, the tax depreciation is much higher on trucks with beds longer than 6’ and when the builder needs to reduce taxable income, buying a new truck, work van or piece of equipment is one of the best paths.

[@philip1065]

Haha our farm always had full loads lol, only base model farm trucks were converted 4500/5500 service decks

[@kencooper2059]

There is an UConnect update if you haven't already done it. It will solve some of the issues.

[@ubeuonly]

Get rid of the Apple products in all of your woes will go away

[@kencooper2059]

@@ubeuonly I have Android devices. UConnect works with Apple and Android.

[@greggmarsh5992]

i am curious to know how soon the ball joints will go out on your new truck when towing and hauling the heavy objects you do. I have heard RAM runs through ball joints quickly. If you do experience that, what would you replace them with?

[@alexbergevin1447]

Mine on 37s did 70k mille

[@javadose317]

Well if you modify it at all they key is to get different uppers that support your lift or leveling kit

[@curtissharris8914]

I put XRF on my excursion with 37 and I can tell they are way better than the previous brand ...began with an m

[@carltuckerson7718]

You only got 150 more pounds of payload than the limited longhorn I just bought three weeks ago: I was surprised by that

[@Forestdawg1791]

Major downside of the 2500 diesels is the decreased payload. Really a 3500 is the way to go.

[@carltuckerson7718]

@@Forestdawg1791 100% feel you. In a weird spot though - have to daily drive it and we’re about once a month on the RV trips. Harder to find as well. We’re just going to end up with one of the “Half Ton” fifth wheels with lighter pin weight. You’re right though. Great for a lot bumper-pulls but limited on fifth wheels.

[@kmisercola7180]

Is there a towing chart that shows conventional vs 5th wheel/gooseneck like ford does on there site

[@lepop9111]

Thank you from Québec for your review

[@yankeesusa1]

What's sad is many people add many lbs like the 5th wheel hitch and never take it into account and dangerously are over weight when towing.

[@WillPittenger]

No spray in bedliner at this price?

[@russelllangille5969]

is the fifth wheel hitch a slider? if not, watch your turns. you won't be able to make sharp turns without the cab of your truck meeting the overhang of the camper. also do you have to completely remove the tonneau cover when towing, or can it be anchored in the partially open position? a lot of full timers would like to have a cover but would not have any place to store it if they had to completely remove the cover every time they had to move. stay healthy, Russ

[@pr4lviper]

Do u have a problem corrosion in the 68RFE Transmission Dipstick Tube?

[@caedom21]

So y’all replaced Mr.Truck with Mr.Ranch. 🙃 Love these long term reviews. Keep it going.

[@TFLtruck]

Well, no. Mr.Truck appears in today's video about 5th-wheel camper towing.

[@LT3Fluffy]

Mr truck doesn't actually add anything to the videos when it comes to real work so yeah they replaced him 🤣

[@onlineautomotivebuilderrev5184]

With out marker lights it looks like a 1500, bigger clearly but at first look I have to take a double

[@2H80vids]

Is it worth it? Here's one quick calculation I did: If the truck lasts just 150,000 miles and saves you $5 every 66 miles (same as the video), it should save you just short of $11,400. Andre said the diesel was a $9,000 upgrade, so it looks like a good decision.

[@keananfischer8113]

By the time you add in the higher maintenance cost and def it probably breaks even. So you still may as well get the bigger truck.

[@ubeuonly]

Absolutely. The price of diesel in most states you would have to drive the truck 10 to 12 years just to realize the fuel savings and that's not including the maintenance and the increased price of diesel fuel as much as a dollar more than gas. If you're not towing on a consistent basis there's absolutely no reason to buy a diesel

[@rickkinnison9573]

I know I still love my 2006 F-250 w/6.0 Liter V-8 Diesel.

[@dubenforcer]

6.0 yikes

[@JLCmike4014]

I’ll stick with my 1999 F-350 single rear wheel with the 7.3L. The truck is dead nuts reliable.

[@ubeuonly]

Thank you Captain caveman

[@JLCmike4014]

@@ubeuonly, enjoy all your fancy do-dads and electronics that break shortly after the warranty expires. My 23 year old and counting diesel truck will keep running like a swiss watch long after your emissions-plagued diesel has died.

[@ubeuonly]

@@JLCmike4014 don't own a diesel at this point they're simple man, but I can tell you that my 19 ram with 80,000 miles on it has been virtually trouble-free. One warranty concern and no recalls, no letters from FCA. No safety recalls perfect tire wear and averaging 17 and a half miles per gallon combined with a hemi. Looks good sounds right and get nothing but compliments. Bought it new in 19 as a first year truck late in the year and got $9,000 off sticker. It's virtually bulletproof and looks and rides like a Mercedes

[@rickybobby7285]

I miss my ‘18 3500. Only issue I had in 30k miles was the 8.4” uconnect screen froze and was replaced under warranty. The Aisin transmission was well worth the money imo. My current ‘14 2500 is just as good, minus the payload and trans.

[@lyndonhamby7432]

Yep. Should have kept it. Love my 3500. Towing monster 💪🏻👍

[@aarsenalfan]

If you're pairing phone you can use only one physical connection in a front and back, you guys had Rebel in 2018 didn't you notice that? 😅

[@johnmora7449]

2020 6.7 56,400 miles, fully loaded with loaded trailer tried going 55 for 20 miles got 22 mpg at the end of the trip. Was curious what I would get. Then again the engine is not broken in till 100K. Be interesting to see what happens at that point

[@JC-kq1gj]

Got a source for the "engine being broken in at 100k"? Should be an interesting read.

[@johnmora7449]

@@JC-kq1gj If your asking that question on a board like this then this tells me all we need to know. Good Luck :)

[@yesode4201]

Yeah going down the mountain or towing a pedal bike.

[@Tedkelvin]

True...I got 20mpg @60mph towing 12k for over 350miles..average speed was like 35mph.

[@yesode4201]

@@JC-kq1gj Yeah the 100k comes from one of the legal drug states! Probably Rocky mountain high Colorado!

[@curtjutzi354]

I ordered my 2500 Diesel tradesmen. Took 6 mo.. Nothing on the lot fit my vineyard needs nore my price point.

[@TheAverageJoeBro]

Just curious what the payload would be without a transfer case. I understand the need for a 4x4 on a ranch though.

[@nickeckemoff7631]

The diesel also requires def fluid and has more expensive maintenance. That wasn't calculated when seeing a $5 fuel savings. The 6.4 V8 is cheap to maintain, but after 10 years, the cummin's emission system and just oil changes will probably negate any fuel savings costs. No one is going to recover the 10k additional cost of the diesel...it would take 5+ years if you drove it every single day (360 days) to save $5 in fuel per day. More realistically, it would take 10+ years for normal people to break even. That said I don't think people buy them to save money...it's for the performance and 'luxury of easier towing.' Everyone has problems with that 6 speed transmission. Sure the engine will last 10+ years 300k miles, but the emission system and transmission will have all sorts of problems before then. I would personally got with the HEMI and instead put the 10k into other things. That's disappointing to read not even 2.5k payload??? My 2013 tundra says 2k and it's a 1/2 ton. I think it's because you got 4 doors etc and it's trying to keep it under 10k GVWR due to regulations because anything higher you must have a CDL driver's license...I bet that truck can haul 4k just fine. A 2 door 8 foot bed 6.4 hemi truck can door sticker says you can have 3700 in the bed with no CDL...1 pallet of concrete and probably heaviest thing anyone will carry. The hemi truck will tow 17500 vs 20k on the cummins...not a big difference. The hemi trucks are under 26k GCWR, but the cummin's are rated over, meaning you'll need a CDL if your trailer sticker is over 16k. Common thing is a 10k GVWR truck pulling a 14k GVWR trailer (that weighs about 3k+ giving you about 10k of actual stuff to tow). My 2 cents is normal gas hemi wins here and can handle that fine...you want the diesel if you're literally looking to tow 20k and have a CDL. Should of listened to your son and got a hemi trademan if you want a real farm truck 50k and you can even have 4 doors.

[@shawnl535]

I just got a 2022 tradesmen Cummins. Does the bug deflector work well ? Does Is make any noise? Thank you.

[@ryanstenger608]

The 2500 Cummins payload is a problem and can land you in hot water fast. I have almost the same truck except I opted for the 6.4 HEMI. The payload jumps to 3154 lbs with the 4.11 gearing. That's an extra 920 usable lbs! I just couldn't justify a loss in almost half a ton capacity for better fuel consumption. How are you supposed to pull a 5th wheel or gooseneck legally? Had this been a 3500, I would defiantly agree that the Cummins shines. IMO, I see this as a dealbreaker for the 2500 Cummins and the 2500 Hemi is underrated king here.

[@fredrickriffel5845]

Pay load and towing capacity determined what you can pull. Better to have too much truck than not enough. Safety first!

[@Lucasthecraneop]

You guys are in Colorado, you should check out ATS Diesel for modifications 😃

[@craigmcpherson1827]

If you think they cost a bit up there, then try pricing them down here in OZ

[@kevanray]

The only thing I do not like on this TFL truck is the horrendous halogen headlights. My old 2020 Ram Dually 3500 had them and they were utter trash. There's a company called RetroShop that sells factory replacement Ram LED headlights and the custom wiring hardness to bolt them on. I swapped my truck's out only a few months into owning it and never looked back. They were such a massive upgrade in output and appearance. It's wild that a $60k+ truck would even come with Halogen anything in the year 2022.

[@carl8790]

Seems like Roman just wanted a nice truck for the ranch lol

[@nathanwoten6236]

It would be awsome to see you guys do a series on performance upgrades since yall own this truck. Nothing to crazy something an average person would do. Like a tuner, exhaust, intake intake manifold, charge pipess, intercooler, injectors, turbo, head studs & trans work. I would also bet if yall talked to Gale Banks he would help yall out. And be is arguably the best in the business especially with smog compliant tuning and upgrades.

[@Incharge7734]

You fund it and they will do it!

[@pmp6972]

I love this truck. The ride is fantastic, interior beats any rival and I find it quiet compared to its competitors. I do have a pet peeve: the headrest!! Has a tester driven this truck for more then 1000 miles? Are you tall? I'm 6'3 and no matter how I sit, the damn headrest pushes my head forward. There's no way around it. It's bloody uncomfortable and causes neck strain for someone of my height. Sure it can be adjusted up and down but for me down makes it worst and up well, is just as bad. Anyone else have this problem and is there a solution?

[@9663mu]

I guess I don’t get the different outputs. Also when is Dodge going to give theHD models the roomy interior of the half ton ? And I also think they need to at least offer a 6”6 bed. An HD with a 6”4 bed it shares with the half tons is little lazy IMO. They need to match the Ford snd GM 6”9 HD bed.

[@Itsa_Mea]

The Aisin trans is built to handle the power unlike the 68RFE. That's why a High Output only comes with an Aisin trans.

[@9663mu]

@@Itsa_Mea and end of day it’s all about money so I could understand the decision. Overall they could use another 2 gears to compete vs the other HDs. Ram has coke along way and I’m big hating just staying couple things

[@johnnicpon5783]

If you want a bigger interior in the RAM HD, just get a MegaCab. They are awesome. I know because I have one.

[@Itsa_Mea]

@@johnnicpon5783 they suck because of the little bed. Not a working man's truck. My tool/fuel box would hit the wheel wells nevermind the other issues with the 5th wheel. The only extra room the mega gives you is rear passenger room. The front area is the same. I don't sit back there so that doesn't matter. HD crewcab has plenty of room. I know because I got one.

[@Incharge7734]

@@Itsa_Mea I used to have a 6.5 bed. I called it a wheel barrow. I love my 8 foot bed until I get into a tight parking lot.

[@YaBoyBLove]

Tommy is definitely a sitter slicker. I have a ram 2500 power wagon which has the same bed. I would much rather have the shorter bed for my day to day as a tractor mechanic. The long bed thing is totally wrong.

[@WW-wf8tu]

I think what I thought 6 months ago, it was and is too expensive for "ranch work" At least for working ranchers. As a tow rig, sure ok. As a family hauler, ok. As a daily driver, hell no.(MPG) As a sport truck, no. IF lined with LineX or some sort of spray in lining, it can be good for cargo, as long as you don't load stuff that is going to scratch the crap out of the side fenders. But that being said, someone eventually will scratch it bit by bit and the pain of hurting the nice truck will go away. But IF I wanted a "ranch truck" I would buy a fairly used one for WAY less money. OR buy a NEW commercial grade truck with out all the fancy options, crew cab, etc. and not care that it was going to get scratched to hell. To each their own.

[@1010chris]

Hopefully these trucks stop being trendy soon. The market is bananas right now.

[@ericadams920]

That's less about being trendy and more about the lack of new vehicles

[@dennispall1516]

Very much enjoy your channel and you guys helped me again decide on a Ram 2500 with the Cummins. I too have essentially the same truck, however I have an intermittent and disconcerting low thrum emanating from the engine compartment. This occurs most often when the engine is cold but has happened even when the motor is fully warmed up. The noise (which BTW I did not have on my 2012 Cummins) does not seem to affect the power/performance, but is rather irritating. Do you have have the same issue and if so, or if not, what do you suspect it could be? Dodge/Ram dealer does not have an answer.

[@langar5249]

Its the regeneration process for the DEF. It's heating up the exhaust to burn off extra burnt gasses. Have the same truck and that sound drove me crazy, figured it out today. Cheers!

[@OutlawFarmersRC]

Well your iPhone came up right away in the center icon on the screen. You was looking for it on the bigger part of the screen. It doesn’t show there. All you had to do is hit the center icon.

[@Incharge7734]

I own a 2021 Ram long bed Tradesman with a 50 gallon fuel tank. I bought it right before prices shot up. I paid $52,300 brand new. Tow package, chrome package and carpet package. The payload rating is my only disappointment. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles that the higher trim models do, but I can't see paying $90,000+ for a top end trim level. For that much money I would expect a bidet to be standard equipment in the back seat. The 50 gallon tank is great for range. However, when you need to fuel you need multiple credit cards. With the price of fuel today I can easily exceed $200 per fill up if the tank is Fair empty. I get around 11 mpg towing and around 19 mpg empty. If you want raw horsepower this is not the truck for you. The Cummins is made for work and towing, not drag racing.

[@henryescalante8194]

Great video!! Just picked up my first 2500 big horn almost exact same truck as yours. Do you use the exhaust brake on your day to day drives without towing or should it only be used during towing large pay loads? Also noticed that the big fan turns on quite often after you come to a complete stop at a light and begin to take off again, is that normal? I appreciate your help, this is my first heavy duty diesel truck and want to be sure these things are normal and the dos and don’t. Thank you!

[@bigchungus1225]

Increasing payload will be impossible, you either pick ride quality or capacity. Most people pick ride quality, people can buy airbag OR get the 3500.