We were all wrong about the Godox AD B2 and Flashpoint evolv twin head AD200 and Evolv 200

[@tscott6843]

Well done sir. It seems Godox had not yet built a high level of confidence in the market when this light came out nearly 5 years ago. Almost no one gave them the benefit of the doubt on the way this flash option would work. Your explanation of how it actually works is spot on and I suspect Godox place in the flash photography market is much more solid now.

[@Kamiklaasie]

I love almost everything about the Godox AD B2. Why didn’t they make a spring loaded handle??? It is impossible to turn it past a big softbox. I switched the spring loaded handle of an old Bowens T bracket I did not use anymore. And while I was at it I removed the two toothed washers on the inside so I can adjust the angle smoothly. Now the AD B2 is perfect!

[@EdKrisiak]

Nice review. It drives me crazy when people touch the bulb with their fingers *LOL*

[@robhallphoto]

That matters for an unprotected bulb, but these are protected by glass so you don't have to worry about the oils on your hand.

[@EdKrisiak]

Great to know!!!!Thanks :)

[@brentnora8128]

Isn't the bulb encased in a glass tube?

[@nmelcam1]

Saw this video a bit late LOL, but the main reason they decided to not use the center pins may be the fact that if you already need 2 AD200 to be able to power a 360 bulb, but you already have the 2 AD200's 200w/s bulbs that came with them and deliver 400 w/s, why on earth will you buy an extra 360 w/s bulb. And after the video you made comparing the different f stops of different Godox flashes and monoblocks that demonstrated that the dual AD200 was a little more powerful than the AD400 by itself, then Godox did the correct move :-) If you properly demonstrated that 2 AD200's in an AD B2 were slightly more powerful than a single AD400 which if the AD360 bulb is actually the same 400w/s bulb, so the results would have been similar as putting the AD360 bulb on the AD B2, I personally do not mind that they disabled the option for the 360 bulb, it would just not make sense to buy an extra bulb from the 2 that you already own in order to get less power. :-)

[@kimberlypekulaartphotograp2174]

Any recommendations for a carrying bag for the AD B2 and two ad200pros? I would like to have all in the same bag, but nothing too bulky. I was kind of disappointed the ad b2 didn't come with a bag or case.

[@gianniawiequaunegv2016]

What is the color temp for the modeling light? I can't seem to find that anywhere. Thank you.

[@BenjaminMooreinJapan]

Thanks for answering the modeling light question! I may need to pick one of these up.

[@GregWallis]

As usual, honest, helpful, simply explained.

[@azmanshah25]

Hi Robert, can I use the EC-200 cables to connect these AD-200s to the AD-B2? Just thinking to put less weight to my small boom stand.

[@robhallphoto]

Yup!

[@makatron]

It actually makes sense, imagine the lawsuits from idiots blowing bulbs. Still a handy way to double the power when needed.

[@robhallphoto]

i think it's a better design this way really. You don't "lose" anything (can still get double the power). You GAIN the center advantage with the bulb you are already using for the power source. No need to concern yourself with a different light bulb. I'm all for this change whatever the reason was.

[@Darrin_Hackney]

What's the best way to line up and insert the bulbs with ad-b2? It's not color coded and I can't find information on how to make sure they are aligned correctly.

[@robhallphoto]

The one small pin goes in the holding (non electrical) pin.

[@bethaniesteph472]

thank you for this update , helped out a lot! 60 bucks is a great price for this!

[@danielmartinphotography]

I just ordered one today! great video, thanks!

[@tjerkheringa937]

This makes sense. Exploding flash bulbs are no joke. I once had a Broncolor bulb exploding on location in a large store which actually caused a small fire.

[@tommynikon2283]

A bulb is nothing compared to a power pack capacitor exploding; THAT will get your attention. Been there TWICE. (It sounds like a shotgun blast at close distance.)

[@Innovate-pq9ci]

great video. when you say that the LEDs are active when the flash is fired, is that really the case? Or does it deactive the LEDs as you take your shot? If not it would mess up with the photo and lighting of the flash wouldn't it? Thanks

[@robhallphoto]

The LEDs are nowhere near powerful enough (even at max brightness) to influence an image that uses 1/128 flash.

[@marckydasaint8730]

Good video Robert. I have an AD-B2 and two AD200's, an AD200 Pro and two extension heads. None of the AD200's or the AD200 Pro work with the AD-B2 via the extension heads. I think I heard you say in one of your videos that there is a firmware update for the AD200 that allows them to work with the AD-B2 via the extension heads, but I can't find that firmware update anywhere.

[@jonathanmaldonado6984]

Hi Robert just want to ask I already have a godox ad 200 pro and Im thinking to buy another one just to have a led light to use in both and make my subject bright by using the led light from 2 ad 200.... or rather Im thinking buying instead a godox ad 400 for the much better lighting than rather buying 1 more ad 200.... thank you for your time and more power to you.

[@kimeunsoo1807]

Hi Robert. Thanks for the excellent video. How do I protect the bulbs if I try to carry the AD-B2 adapter with the 2 bulbs inserted into them? Is there a bulb protector that I can use similar to the one that can go on AD360 or AD200? Thanks.

[@robhallphoto]

Yeah just use the ad200 bulb protector.

[@ajphelps16]

Would you recommend this over the AD400. They are basically the same except this is more versatile?

[@GilbertTV]

Rob..a question... can you help, can I use a Godox ad200 & a ad200 pro together with the Godox AD-B2 ? so that a mix of 1 x ad200 & 1 x ad200 pro I ask as I have this combination & wish to purchase the Godox AD-B2 to give me 400 watts of power & want to know if it will work ..? thanks

[@robhallphoto]

Yeah it works fine just keep in mind the AD200 pro recycles slightly faster than the AD200.

[@GilbertTV]

@@robhallphoto thanks so much Rob.. I bought one & used it last night.. works a treat..

[@barkyvonschnauzer2188]

Thanks Robert great explanation. Just got a great deal on one from Adorama for Christmas. Basically, it's like having an AD600 split in half lol

[@eoghanhennessy15]

Hi Robert, I was wondering if you could mix an AD200 and AD200Pro on this twin head? I know they will fit but do not want to risk an electrical problem. Could not find any info for this online so would really help me out if you know. Thank you

[@robhallphoto]

Yup. They'll just recycle at different speeds for equivalent power.

[@eoghanhennessy15]

Robert Hall Photography thank you for replying, love the channel

[@deganni2688]

When using two AD200 Pros with this adapter, can the setting of TTL still be used? Or manual mode only?

[@straitjacketstudios]

Great vid. Answered the exact question I had which was can you use this with just a single bulb.

[@yanncabello5432]

Thanks for this video. So, one center bulb (200w) with one AD200, and only one modeling lamp. But what power for one modeling lamp ? Is the power efficient with an octo (40 inches), two layers (in 'n out) and grid ?

[@danlovaj]

Robert, I have my AD200 in a Glow Parapop 38 inch light modifier with both diffusion panels on. I seem to trip the overheat sensor as after 20-30 shots at 1/1 or 1/2 power it is no longer popping a flash. My recycle chirp still sounds, but no bulb popping off. What am I doing wrong? I've tried on a second AD200 and same results. I thought I could fire 50-60 shots consecutively (per the manual), but with the enclosed light modifier, I seem to be tripping the overheat sensor. Would the duo head eVOLV200 solve this issue? I really want to like this system, but I have had one issue after another. Thanks for the great work you do.

[@robhallphoto]

+Dan Vang hey dan. First things first, is this in below max sync speed or in HSS? In HSS the number of flashes is less. I'm assuming you are using the omnidirectional bulb in the glow. Do me a favor, next time it happens try switching it to the fresnel head and see if you get flashes. I have a friend who reports similar and if that's the case, I would deem the barebulb defective and request a replacement.

[@danlovaj]

Yes, its the bare bulb and yes at HSS. Then that helps explain it. I have thought of using the fresnel head to compare. I've had this happen across 3 bulbs. Hard to believe its the bulb then but I have 2 more I ordered to try. I just wish other KZbinrs who use this at HSS report that you can't rapid fire this unit. Still have to learn to work within its limitations then.

[@SeamlessMedia]

Would love to see a review of the 60W LED light you mentioned, the SLB60W correct? Interested in brightness and fan noise etc. Thank you!

[@Gorillazilla88]

Thank you for the info and clarification, Robert!

[@robhallphoto]

+Jose C. Photography you're welcome!

[@R0dan]

FINALLY...my question answered!

[@riazahmed4283]

Hey Robert, how does TTL perform when using 2 AD200s in the AD B2? I already have one AD200 and considering another along with AD B2 to replace my AD360 V1

[@rajmarathe1]

Great review and explanations. The first video that I have seen which completely explained this. Thanks again, Rob!

[@ChoicesHabitsAttitudeLuck]

Looking for something like this but for 2 V860ii or for 2 AD200 with the fresnel head. DOn't like the MagMod version as the magnets get weak overtime

[@dirgharajshrestha]

Godox S-FA with S1 bracket for 2-4 V860ii

[@joegreenephoto]

My 2 cents.... I use these every day, all day. Today I have two strobes mounted with one bulb in center position. Strobe in #1 slot powers one led and fires center bulb, while Strobe in #2 slot powers ( just ) the second led. So I have both leds lit even when shooting with one bulb. It is strange though, that the second strobe will beep after the first one fires. No matter what settings I set on the AD200pro, the leds will ALWAYS shut off after about 30 minutes. To get them back on without reaching out to the Strobe, I just fire the X2T and they come right back on. If the led will not come back on, the battery is depleted.

[@jonnobach3358]

Hi Rob. How much does this twin head with (2) eVolv 200's installed weigh compared to (1) xPLOR600?

[@gajekpiotr]

Only Bowens mount? I need it with Elinchrom mount. Will it be produced in the future?

[@dpfreedman]

Thanks much for posting this update, Robert. My AD-B2 is still on the slow boat from China. This is somewhat of a disappointing turn of events. I envisioned using the AD-B2 + beauty dish with a single, center-mounted 360 bulb. Hopefully, two AD-200 bulbs (rather than one center mounted bulb) behind the BD's deflector will work. We'll see.

[@peterleenc]

Robert you were wrong that the output of the bulb is depending on the bulb design wattage (means they can only maximum output to the design wattage no matter how much power supply to the bulb.) the bulb can only draw the maximum current that the bulb designed for no matter how much current source we have. The bulb will blown only if higher voltage then the designed voltage of the bulb.

[@robhallphoto]

Hmm, thanks Peter, I'm no electrician! Like I said that was just speculation. Whatever it was, Adorama previously had it in their warnings on the product page NOT to put a 200 bulb in the previously designed 360 slot. Do you know why they would put that disclaimer if it isn't dangerous?

[@ingunnjohansen6612]

I have this system, but I have problem that the light bulb get destroyed very easily (maybe after just 2 times, and it is always just one that get burned out). Why? Can it be that the light bulb is just designed to handle ad200? And I also wonder if I can use light bulb in the middle and use Bulb 360W? Ingunn

[@AutoAt]

did you manage to control the modelling light via the x1-transmitter? did you test, how much energy the LEDs use, when permanent on?

[@robhallphoto]

+Auto.At yeah it'll turn on and off with the double tap. Didn't test the latter.

[@AutoAt]

double tab? i only see the on/off-switch on the side, which does not turn it on. img.tri.at/upload/bbc/20170428220103/20170428220103-bb0010conf.jpg

[@robhallphoto]

the second on/off switch on the side is to activate the AF-assist beam on top. Double tapping the channel button on the X1-t allows you to turn on and off the LED on compatible flashes.

[@afonsosantos8364]

I wish both electrical contact strips of the AD-B2 electrical interface where rotated 180, facing the pins outwards, so that the AD200s could be slided/sloted in from the outside inwards. I like to mount (thin) PeakDesign capture system standard plates on the wide side of my AD200s (to be able to quickly snap them on/off from a quick release clamp on a mini-ballhead or my belt or backpack shoulder PeakDesign capture plate when I use the EC200 extension) and with those PeakDesign plates fitted (they need a tool to remove ...) I cannot put the AD200s in the AD-B2.

[@saibhargavamanda1062]

Hi Robert Thanks for clarification. I had an other doubt regarding AD600.. can I use flashpoint kits interchangeably with godox kits ? I mean can we use Godox batteries n transmitters for flashpoint heads or viceversa

[@robhallphoto]

+SAI BHARGAVA Manda yes everything from the Godox X series is interchangeable with Flashpoint R2 equipment, they are identical.

[@PatienceIsKey.1]

Hey Robert as far as power output would 2 evolves have better power than fp roverlight 600? our favorite store “Adorama” has the roverlight on sale. I just bought a second evolve with the twin head, I’m just a little disappointed the twin head didn’t come with instructions or even some type of bag to put the twin head in. Overall when both elvolves are in the twin, I believe it’s just as heavy as the Rl 600. Anyway this video was very helpful how to set up the evolves in the twin. Hopefully “Adorama” throws you bag full of useful items or a gift card with a couple hundred bucks!

[@robhallphoto]

I've never had a Rovelight to compare. But I do know it is .5 stop less than the AD600.

[@PatienceIsKey.1]

Robert Hall Photography Thank you!

[@atomicdad3920]

Does anyone have any issue with the second slot not mounting the evolv 200s properly? I ordered mine and both of the flashes mount to slot 1 fine, but neither of them can’t mount to the second slot. I even ordered a replacement and I’m having the same issues. I read some others had the same issues but maybe we are doing something wrong?

[@ThePandaPhotographer]

Already spread the video to my community and others.

[@robhallphoto]

much appreciated!

[@alejandrorumolino]

It is not easier not to think about this and for example use the mag mod for the 2 flash? well the only answer is that you can't with a light bulb, your advice is great, thanks-), greetings from paris

[@bryanhumphrey4072]

Awesome vid! Thanks for sharing that information with us.

[@robhallphoto]

+Bryan Humphrey no problem!

[@martingemmell3089]

When you get your hands on the new Godox AD400 Pro could you please do a comparison against the AD B2 with 2 AD200's.

[@robhallphoto]

Absolutely, should have it soon!

[@aluca11]

Just ordered mine recently, glad to know before i got mine

[@slikmonk]

Since i'm new to Flashpoint and Godox, can I use the R2-F trigger for the Flashpoint eVolve twin head version w/ the Godox V860II-F speedlight? by the way im using Fujifilm X-T3 camera.

[@robhallphoto]

Yes

[@griftereric83]

Will there be a switch in the future that will allow the use of 400W bulb and to use intelligent power management to allow 1 AD200 for 2 LED or auto select Slot 1 or slot 2 for center 200W bulb ( if the battery charge for slot 1 is low, it switches to slot 2)? It is a wish list for future design. AD-2B mkii maybe.

[@robhallphoto]

+Enrico Suria no clue! Unfortunately I'm not that "in" to know their future designs that far in advance, but since this just released I doubt we'll see anything that soon.

[@griftereric83]

Robert Hall Photography thanks for the information!

[@Junglebrute]

Hey Robert I'm sorry but maybe you can help answer me this or anyone else who sees this. I just received my Flashpoint Evolv 200 and the R2 t trigger for Fuifilm cameras. I updated the evolve to the current firmware to receive the fuji trigger but I can't get HSS to work. Now I do have an XT-1 the firmware is current. Ive tried everything I can think to get it to work in HSS but I can't get it to work. Any thoughts? TTL and 2nd curtain sync seems to be working ok ill have to test it more to be sure but I could really use some insight. Thanks in advance!

[@deepstagesrt4]

Make sure camera is not in rear curtain sync before trying hss. I ran into this before. I couldn't get my sony to hss, when it had before. Turns out i was in 2nd curtain. Changed it and it worked perfectly.

[@brucekraft744]

Good to know the correct applications. Thanks!

[@ingunnjohansen6612]

Hello :) I love your films and you are great. I have this system, but I have problem that the light bulb get destroyed very easily (maybe after just 2 timers, and it is always just one that get burned out). Why? I use 2 light bulbs. And I also wonder if I can use light bulb in the middle and use Bulb 360W? Ingunn

[@robhallphoto]

no the light in the center cannot use 360W bulb...That's the whole point of this video. Not sure why your bulbs are burned out. Did this happen more than once?

[@ingunnjohansen6612]

Robert Hall Photography Yes it has happened several times. Have you not experienced that? Suddenly one bulb stop working and I experience that I have just one light

[@robhallphoto]

I have not had a single bulb "burn out" on me. The common thing I hear is that people kill their bulbs by tightening down the modifier clamp on the bulb directly (with no modifier attached)

[@sebastiankidzinski2811]

Hi Robert.Can you combine ad200 and ad200pro together with ad-b2 bracket?

[@robhallphoto]

Yup, recycle times will not match at equivalent power levels though, so best to put sound on the ad200 since it's slower, if you need an audible cue.

[@sebastiankidzinski2811]

@@robhallphoto Thanks.Probably i'll buy another ad200.Great channel btw

[@carlosread5887]

Thanks for the right information this time! Now that you have explained this carefully, It makes all the sense in the world. Thanks agin!

[@twistaton]

Question.....would this work ok with one ad200 and one ad200 pro.....I think they should but I just want to be sure

[@robhallphoto]

Yes

[@twistaton]

@@robhallphoto thanks much

[@EmoEmu]

Very nice to know. Thanks for clearing things up.

[@jaredmciverimagery]

has anyone figured out a 6" or 7" reflector solution for this ad-b2? the common one for the AD600 fits fine but doesn't have the umbrella slot in the right spot. it looks like the studio light series reflectors work in terms of fitment and hole placement but nobody has them available separately, at least in a situation where i can find out for sure that the slot/hole is in the right spot.

[@JagaatBhari]

Is AD-B2 compatible with AD 200 pro?

[@moSahl]

Thanks for the update. Appreciate it.

[@ljs2274]

i have the exploer600 , and after a few shots today it has failed me , doesnt power back on , when turning on it only first the model light nothing else works ... do you have any idea why ?? or maybe an email i can send this too so i can get it fixed or return it??

[@jessestarr2940]

I would contact Adorama since you bought it from them.

[@robhallphoto]

Sorry, with so many sellers i'm not sure where you'll have to go through. I'd contact whoever you purchased it from.

[@ljs2274]

After letting it sit for 15 min it now works. So the lesson is not to try to take rapid pics wait for the light to refresh before taking more. Lesson learned and thanks for the replies.

[@filipsalapa]

Do you think there would a possibility to DIY modify the LEDs to make them diffuse the light? To be more in unison with the bulb?

[@VangelisMatosMedina]

Do you have any video about the radio x1 vs the xt32?

[@VideoGameStupidLC]

If I used a Godox X1 transmitter could I control the modeling light from there instead of going up to the strobe?

[@robhallphoto]

double tap CH/OK button to activate Modeling lamp.

[@VideoGameStupidLC]

Ok thanks!

[@PhotoKenji]

Thanks for the review, would you tell me if AD200 x 2 w/ AD-B2 & using a silver umbrella as a reflector, is it capable of doing the job of an AD600 with a silver umbrella to over-power the sun in the afternoon? If I use the former one, is it going to have both AD200 in full power while AD600 just use maybe half power on that? I'm struggling which one I should get for my portrait/fashion shootings with HSS. Thanks in advance. =]

[@robhallphoto]

+Kenji Liu honestly I can't really say that because the distance, circumstances you work in, backgrounds all may not apply to my experience. But, the AD-b2 at 1/1 is slightly more powerful than an AD600 at 1/2, so hopefully you can apply that to your experience for an answer.

[@PhotoKenji]

Robert Hall Photography Thank you!!

[@PhotoKenji]

Thanks for the details, I think I'll get 2 AD200 as I can decide to use only one for main and one for the back on cloudy days.

[@kemar3358]

Do it come with the battery or you have to buy the battery separate

[@robhallphoto]

You need two ad200's, which means you'd have the two ad200 batteries.

[@saskelee]

Please show the light that you use to light this video

[@robhallphoto]

Doing that next week!

[@notmyname8527]

I hope Godox.comes with a cheaper version of the AD200 with only power pack and bare flash. i have the AD 200 and dont need any more full sets.

[@JaredRibic]

My AD B2 just arrived yesterday! QUESTION - At 3:30 what did you mean about it giving you a ⅓ stop extra power when still using a single AD200?

[@robhallphoto]

A single ad200 + single barebulb in AD-B2 is 1/3 stop extra power over a single ad200/barebulb in a bowens S mount adapter due to the reflective plate of the AD-B2.

[@JaredRibic]

Thanks!

[@GuilhermeFerrRibMelo]

Nice job dude

[@arbee1958]

a four + minute ad you can't skip !!!? you are kidding KZbin

[@robhallphoto]

+Rob Bennett seriously??? I've never seen that myself. Sorry man. What was it for?

[@arbee1958]

it was odd, there was a HUGE 4 minute ad for trucks ... I reloaded the page and it went straight to your video (great vid BTW)

[@tosvus]

Thank you KZbin Red, I guess!

[@ramirphoto]

can you still use ttl when you have this set up?

[@robhallphoto]

yes, all functions operate the same. Just stick em in the same group and it's like 1 light!

[@ramirphoto]

Robert Hall Photography awesome! Would you recommend this set up more over the ad 600?

[@robhallphoto]

+Ramir Sioson if you aren't using the AD600 at 1/1 all the time, I would recommend the AD-B2 setup over the AD600. The AD-B2 has the benefit of being 2 lights when you don't need the power and is a tad bit lighter compared to the AD600, while only giving up .5 stops of max power.

[@IAmSamuelCharpentier]

The LEDs should be shooting the light evenly throughout any angle you can see them, so yes they might be slightly less powerfull around the center of the reflector because they don't bounce near the mount, but they will compensate with the fact that they face stright in the middle. I don't thing that should affect much of anything, especially with the size of the distance it has with the center. Same goes for the bulb, between the center and the upper slot, you will barely see any difference in modifiers top to bottom eveness. You are very picky I feel.

[@luis3447]

Will the LED's light without the flash bulbs?

[@robhallphoto]

+Luis Silos yes

[@luis3447]

Thank you! That's good to know! Does it say the output of both LED's together?

[@zrowedaartistviews2278]

The video I needed

[@frankyvee1]

Very informative! thnx

[@guillaumemilette3869]

thanks for the info

[@p1j2]

Hi Robert, after watching your video, this video popped up on my feed: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3rVl5yujrOApNk You commented that neither you nor 4 others were able to replicate his results. The data that he presents shows a 0.3-0.4 stop gain with a AD360 bulb, which is at the edge of being a useful modification over the stock configuration. I am curious if you and the other people who you talked to followed his methodology exactly (drilling the smaller sockets to make them bigger, and enlarging the small pins to ensure a good connection in the bigger sockets), or if you followed a different procedure. I can't find any documentation of his procedure in the video descriptions (maybe they have been removed since the video was originally published). I currently have a AD400 Pro and two AD200s. A stock AD-B2 doesn't really have much usefulness for me, as I can just use my AD400 Pro when I need 400Ws. However, being able to do another 0.4 stops over a stock AD-B2 brings me very close to the output of a AD600, which saves me from having to own a 600Ws light in the very rare situations when I need more than 400Ws. I would really appreciate it if you can provide more information about your experience so that I can make an informed decision on this. Thank you!

[@giselevargas3122]

Entendi tudo porque não fala certo mesmo assim quero dois como faço pra comprar

[@movieman2009]

I thought you were not supposed to handle flash tubes with your bare hands ?

[@robhallphoto]

+Simon Bear You are correct because oils on your hand + heat could cause damage. But the flash tube itself is the inner part. The outer part is just glass to protect it, not the bulb itself. On both the AD200/AD360II the tube is not exposed to contact.

[@movieman2009]

Ah ok, thanks

[@finallyanime]

Whyyyyyy are you putting your oily hands on the bulbs directly Wow

[@robhallphoto]

beeeeccaaaussseee that rule is for flash tubes not the glass outer casing that completely protects ittttttt

[@vladimirlopez7840]

Essentially the unit is useless. You might as well just put two ad200’s in there firing in tandem.

[@robhallphoto]

Put two ad200's in what, exactly?

[@vladimirlopez7840]

Robert Hall Photography I was wrong before I bought my 2 AD200 pro’s I thought you could get two in the s type bracket but I was completely wrong. So my comment was out of ignorance. I now own two ad200 pros and I will be ordering this accessory for when I need the extra power outdoors.

[@sda0073]

thats no how electricity works Bro..

[@CristiTomaPhotography]

Make zero sense. Even pattern... we are looking at 2cm offset. That will not generate uneven light.

[@robhallphoto]

LED panels create uneven patterns and stair-stepping with light sources 1mm apart.

[@CristiTomaPhotography]

Yes, that is true for SMD leds that have a narrow V-shaped pattern. Not so true for round head LEDs with decent wide pattern. Besides , the flash bulb is completely round and even the tube has a turn. Think about using a speedlight head into a softbox. Speedlights have a tube. Can you see that on images when using a softbox? I don't think it really matters that much.