We were WRONG about Destiny's campaign (A Retrospective)

[@calvinfishermedia]

Thanks for watching everyone! What do you think about the Destiny franchise?

[@OrionInSpace]

This game came out at the perfect time for me as a kid because I had just entered high school and that was the time of my life where I was playing video games the most. One of the biggest reasons I love Destiny campaign or not is because of its ability to explore the unknown. Given it is from the developers of the older Halo games (as you brought up at the end) it makes sense. Halo and its story rely a lot on exploring the unknown universe. While it is much more explored in Halo than it is in Destiny I still appreciate that this franchise takes its mythology to those areas. Good video as always man!

[@calvinfishermedia]

Thanks for checking it out man! Appreciate it! Destiny came out at a perfect time for me as well.

[@OrionInSpace]

@@calvinfishermedia of course man I look forward to working with you on another Destiny video if I can get the chance!

[@calvinfishermedia]

@@OrionInSpace yeah man that would be great!!

[@GuyAfro3000]

I really miss the atmosphere of destiny 1, with its quiet and mysterious setting. The open world spaces really made you feel like an alien exploring the remains of a humanity that’s been annihilated for centuries. Coming across other guardians in the open world felt like you stumbled across another fellow explorer and it was a unique feeling when you joined their party and began completing missions together. The plethora of unanswered questions kept me intrigued in the world, I would spend hours watching videos and reading the lore cards, truly felt like I was a guarding searching for answers among the chaos of destroyed solar system.

[@calvinfishermedia]

I think you explained the appeal of Destiny 1 beautifully! Thank you for sharing.

[@TheLesserFairchild]

God i miss this game. I understand, rose tinted glasses, but it was such a different game from anything I'd ever played before. I still boot it up from time to time just to experience the vibe this game gave off. Destiny 2 has never been able to capture the feel of this game and that makes me a little sad

[@calvinfishermedia]

Definitely agree with you there! Destiny 2 made a ton of improvements. But at the same time, there is just an intangible feeling that Destiny 1 has which destiny 2 doesn’t quite replicate. Thanks for watching!

[@lookatmyzombies9377]

Part of it is the art style. Destiny 1 looks more "mythic" while Destiny 2 opted for a more realistic art style

[@ninjaishproductions2.053]

I think this campaign functioned well as a set of introductions to the universe and it's factions. It feels like a long, drawn-out exposition for the stories that came after. I think it works well now that we have all of those subsequent stories, but at launch I understand people being disappointed with the expository nature of the main story

[@calvinfishermedia]

I think this is a great way to put it. I think nowadays the campaign is a good introduction because of how it delivers a lot of the base lore and factions in a digestible manner. The future stories provide the emotional punches that really brings the whole experience together. Thank you for watching and sharing!

[@shreksnow1918]

From what I’ve heard Destiny has a lot of INSANE lore that’s on par with the stuff you’d see in Elder Scrolls. Unfortunately, they’ve done an atrociously bad job of conveying it through the various expansions. Also, in addition to the various things you’ve mentioned in the video the first game was released in several dlc chunks that were clearly chopped up versions of the campaign (you could’ve mentioned that. It’s been a while since I watched the video, and I’m just now commenting). It’s such a shame the thing was so botched. We could’ve had something truly phenomenal. So are you any closer to finishing the Killzone trilogy, and starting on Resistance? Or are you mostly focused on other stuff? Something I found interesting about Resistance is how Fall of Man’s story is told like a documentary. It’s a cool concept, but sadly Nathan Hale is woefully underdeveloped. If there ever were to be a remake I’d want them to give him a voice like they did for Issac in the Dead Space remake. If he actually talked to the other characters during the game he would’ve been more developed. I also heard the ending of 2 was horrifically rushed, and Insomniac killed him off since they didn’t do a lot with his character. I’m sure he has more development in the book, but I haven’t read it so I can’t speak on it. It’s also interesting how they changed the weapon/health systems in each entry, and vehicles sadly only appeared in Fall of Man.

[@calvinfishermedia]

Destiny 1 definitely could have been handled better! I am getting a couple more videos out but hope to return to KZ soon!

[@shreksnow1918]

That’s good news. What are some of the games you’re planning on covering before you resume Killzone? Also, will you do Resistance after covering Killzone, or do other videos before that?

[@calvinfishermedia]

@@shreksnow1918 I’m planning on covering Black Ops and Stalker as of now, maybe a follow up to my FF14 video too!

[@shreksnow1918]

@calvinfishermedia Those will be interesting. It’s too bad that Black Ops 4’s story mode was cancelled. It definitely sounded interesting. So are you more interested in covering those games than Killzone/Resistance? It definitely is really disappointing that you’re not getting to them sooner, but at the same time I understand wanting to cover other stuff first.

[@calvinfishermedia]

@@shreksnow1918 one of the main reasons I’m planning on covering the other games first is because they are a bit more time contingent. Both Stalker and Black Ops have sequels coming out this year, so I hope to have their series done before the new games come out. If I have time, I may try to squeeze in the KZ2 video though!

[@fadedraider1705]

Heyyyy, i doubt you remember me, but i was a commenter on the dead space reviews, ive lost the channel so i looked for a while, i finally found it again

[@calvinfishermedia]

I do, man! I remember chatting with you in some of the live premieres. Welcome back!

[@TheZamaron]

On thing I really liek that enhances D1's story is when you read the Grimoire you find entries that expand on events, even the named enemies have some lore, like how the Cabal hiarchy is Primus Ta'aun at the top of the D1 Cabal Scout Legions, under him are the 2 Valus brothers who lead the SKyburners, Valus Ta'arc who leads the Cabal forces on Mars directly from his Land Tank, Primus SHa'aul who leads the Blind Legion in siezing and seuring Vex structures who you kill in the mission where you charge the Gate Lord's eye, then there's a few Vals who protec the way to Valus Ta'arc, and 2 Bracuses you kill in 2 story missions.

[@calvinfishermedia]

This is a great point! It’s a shame more of this lore wasn’t delivered in the game directly, but you definitely see the intentionality behind the lore despite it while playing. Thanks for watching and sharing!

[@TheZamaron]

@@calvinfishermedia Yah, once you know the lore a bit even just from the Grimoire, D1's main story does make enough sense, it's not perfect, but it does enough, afterall this may be 1 Campaighn, but it is not the story's end, nor truely it's beginning.

[@mmocracy]

Year 1 player here. I’m eating ice cream and watching this. Waiting for The Final Shape to launch tomorrow. Happy to be back to see the end of the “ten year plan”.

[@calvinfishermedia]

Nice!! Fingers crossed Final Shape is worth the wait!

[@jamarilittlejohn6345]

Haven’t even started watching, but I know everyone remembers “killed by the architects” the most most annoying player hated way to die. How cool is it that the architects are the final boss of the series 10 years later.

[@calvinfishermedia]

Huh thats really interesting, I didn’t remember “killed by the architects” being a thing. Thanks for sharing!

[@DuggyDarko]

Destinys biggest issue is it was carved up and sold to us piece by piece. They (Bungie) routinely try to nickle and dime their fanbase at every turn. Regularly serving up rehashed/reused assets for a premium and only produce something decent when they're forced to. The premise of Destiny is fantastic. The execution has always been bad. But here we all are again hoping and praying that afrer 10 years The Final Shape will be different this time.

[@calvinfishermedia]

Yeah, Bungie really has a way of taking their fanbase for granted, even compared to other gaming companies. Frustrating for sure. Thanks for watching!

[@redrodtherebel6630]

It’s been well known for a while now that Bungie’s executive management (not the people actually MAKING the game) have literally no idea what players want and only really care about sales and deadlines, which puts their developers in a tough spot trying to make the game they want to make while still meeting those goals. It’s not that they only do good when they’re forced to, it’s that they can only do good when the execs lay off the reigns and let the devs do what they do best. And that typically only ever happens when a release goes bad and results in major backlash from the playerbase.

[@demte84]

D1 music is top notch, D2 music is avg for a video game. I hope D3 brings back awe and wonder, D2 never had that

[@calvinfishermedia]

For sure, the awe and mystery in Destiny 1 is something I miss. Music is awesome too! Thanks for sharing

[@Fulcrum96]

I'm so sad the art design took such a dramatic shift in D2. Back in D1, sometimes I'd just leave my Guardian sitting on the moon, almost as a screensaver while doing other stuff. I've never had the same inclination to do that in D2, even after the moon came back.

[@calvinfishermedia]

Definitely with you. The art design in Destiny is my favorite out of any game. Destiny 2’s art design is still great, but it doesn’t quite capture that same wonder as D1. Hard to put into words, but it’s something. Thanks for watching!

[@shreksnow1918]

(No relation to the video. Just posting this here because there’s already several comments about the second paragraph on your Killzone 1 video) I saw that you finished the CoD trilogy content. Haven’t gotten around to watching them yet. It will be interesting (too bad Black Ops 4’s campaign got scrapped. It was a genuinely interesting setting where you’d pick one of two factions and your actions would impact how the story/missions unfold). I’m assuming you’re going to make another supercut that combines your Black Ops 1-3 videos like you’ve done for other games in a series. Sorry to sound like a broken record about Killzone and Resistance. I’m sure it’s probably getting annoying by now. Now that the Destiny and CoD stuff is done do you think you’ll do Killzone/Resistance, or are you still running into issues with recording and having more projects before you do either series? For those maybe you could have a section of the videos where you cover the intel you find throughout the games. Before playing through the games you could look up their locations and make a note to get them (Such a shame that instead of bringing back either series Sony spent upwards of 200 MILLION DOLLARS on Concord only to shut off the game within two weeks and refund everyone🤣. Let’s hope the game flopping and Astrobot’s success makes them change their priorities).

[@calvinfishermedia]

Hey! Yes, I am planning on working on a KZ2 video, hopefully relatively soon. I have a few more time-sensitive videos I am working on first. I plan on finishing the Black Ops series, then I’ll release a compilation. Then I am probably going to do a BO6 video. Also I am planning on covering the Forever War, another game I am excited about. After those hopefully I’ll get to Killzone!

[@Ethan-oq2ds]

Ya know even up until the eleventh hour of Destiny’s lifespan it still received the same love/hate relationship as D2 does now and here we are nearly 7 years since D2s release and everyone says D1 was great and never said a mean thing about it. When Final Shape is done and a few years have passed I guarantee everyone will say D2 was an amazing experience and Bungie really did themselves well on it. Just like Call of Duty was in the mid 2010s. Everyone shat on Advanced Warfare, BO3 and others then for everything and now you see “This was the last great CoD” Miss me with that shit

[@calvinfishermedia]

I definitely see your point, but I don’t fully agree. For instance, people still generally hate Ghosts. I also wouldn’t say that Destiny 1 is perfect or didn’t have its problems. I do point out the issues with the story and the way it handles lore in this video. Thanks for checking the video out and sharing your opinion!

[@requiemagent3014]

Ok I don't like dragging people down or disregarding your opinion. But Destiny 1 original campaign is bad. Maybe because they scrapped the entire original campaign and started from scratch just months before release. Bungie has a habit of doing this. You cannot blame publishers for this all the time. They did this for Halo 1, Halo 2, Desitny 1 and Destiny 2. They scrap major parts of their work and present a half baked experience. Difference is with Halo 1 and 2 it worked out. Miraculously. With Destiny not so much. The Taken King was really good but man what happened with Destiny 2. Same problem. I highly encourage you to look into this studios history and the leaks surrounding the original Destiny story. What a mess.

[@calvinfishermedia]

Thanks for sharing your opinion! I enjoy hearing other perspectives even if they differ from their own. I agree, I think it’s evident that Destiny’s woes are largely Bungie’s fault. I wasn’t a fan of how people knee jerk blamed activision (not that I am an activision fan mind you). But I think despite the problems, there is still enough of a creative spark in Destiny that I really value. Did you play the final shape? I think it’s Destiny’s best content, perhaps ever!

[@requiemagent3014]

​@@calvinfishermedia I heard many positive things about The final Shape. Problem is I stopped playing destiny 2 a while ago. Mainly because my friends lost interest and doing raids with LFC groups is a nightmare. I might check it out when I see it discounted. My biggest fear is not being able to catch up. I feel I missed to much at this point. There is content vaulted now that I didn't even touched. Not sure if the final shape is worth full price just for the campaign. I haven't decided yet.

[@calvinfishermedia]

@@requiemagent3014 definitely fair! FOMO and content vaulting are my least favorite parts of Destiny

[@requiemagent3014]

@@calvinfishermedia I also have no idea where to start. I saw a video about the experience for new players in destiny, that was before the final shape, and the UI is so confusing now. I think destiny 2 is not a good example of how to introduce new or returning players. So many mechanics just didn't exist when I last played. Just watching KZbin videos about it feels overwhelming.

[@calvinfishermedia]

@@requiemagent3014 for sure! I actually made a whole video about how content vaulting ruins the new player experience terrible. It’s something I really hope they improve, or honestly move onto a Destiny 3 for a fresh start for new players.

[@davidahgren9037]

As someone who sunk more than 3k hours into this game, the answer is NO The campaign was garbage. If you say otherwise, it's the nostalgia talking. The lore however, was awesome. BUT a majority was part of the Grimoire cards. That does not count whatsoever.

[@calvinfishermedia]

Hey, thanks for checking out the video! Which parts of my video do you disagree with? I am a long time player but didn’t play the campaign fully through until this video. Either way, appreciate you sharing.

[@davidahgren9037]

Noooone, I liked the vid ❤

[@MarcoTulio-mi1ov]

I played it the year it was released too, but I don't remember anything about the story hahaha I don't think I even finished the campaign, I jumped straight into multiplayer and then I never played it again hahaha but I had fun, I didn't know the story was that interesting

[@calvinfishermedia]

I hopped into multiplayer pretty quickly that first year too haha! Thanks for checking out the video.

[@geordiejones5618]

Nothing can convince me this franchise isn't the biggest gaming disappointment of my lifetime. The original campaign was unfinished and reused its maps in the most shameless way, and now the only way to enjoy the franchise is to treat it like an MMO and spend 3 games worth on expansions.

[@calvinfishermedia]

That is fair! Bungie historically has done a bad job of making their customers feel valued. Destiny’s greatest enemy is Destiny itself. Thanks for watching!

[@geordiejones5618]

@@calvinfishermedia it's such a shame bc the five Bungie Halos still hold up. Even as an adult the lore is excellent. Forge was amazing for those who loved map making. The only game company from my childhood that's still quality is Rockstar.

[@YuriG1]

Base Destiny had 26 enemies from different factions Hive: Thrall Explosive Thrall Acolyte Knight Wizard Ogre Shrieker Cabal: Phalanx Centurion Legionaire Colossus Psions War Tanks Fallen: Dreg Vandal Captain Shank Explosive Shank Spider Tank Servitors Vex: Goblin Hobgoblin Minotaur Hidra Cyclops Harpies (I'm considering this based on model changes and functionality together, so no supplicants and all vex can have their heads taken off so no enraged versions of the vex aswell) (Edit courtesy of Joshturner9778 for reminding me of the 26th One, Servitors)

[@calvinfishermedia]

Thanks for doing the tally! Glad to see that my ballpark of twenty wasn’t too far off haha

[@YuriG1]

@@calvinfishermedia the video was great, Got me Really engaged and nostálgic, I was only 10 when I First started playing Destiny in 2014, this brought me back down memory lane

[@calvinfishermedia]

@@YuriG1 I’m glad you enjoyed the video! Destiny is definitely a special game to me too.

[@joshturner9778]

@@YuriG1make it 26 you forgot servitors

[@YuriG1]

@@joshturner9778 TRUEEEEEE

[@jejeakle]

Anyone else main hunter before it became popular?

[@calvinfishermedia]

Hunters for life!

[@HankDevos]

No… we were not wrong. The campaign is still quite bad.

[@calvinfishermedia]

Fair enough, definitely understand if you disagree. Thanks for checking out the video!

[@HankDevos]

@@calvinfishermedia good vid regardless!

[@ballaxx3150]

Nah listen i love destiny 1 especially the vibes I remember from the Og days but the vanilla campaign suckssss I always skip to taken king whenever I replay.

[@calvinfishermedia]

Fair enough! Thanks for checking out the video and sharing your opinion!

[@alexanderrego1998]

Destiny 2 fixed destiny 1s campaign

[@calvinfishermedia]

I can definitely see that! Thanks for sharing!

[@tyleraguilar2474]

Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. Even if this is your biggest miss lol. This was one of the worse campaigns I’ve ever played and I wasn’t aware of the terrible launch as I played the game almost 2 years later when it came out for free on psn.

[@calvinfishermedia]

Thanks for watching and sharing your opinion! There are a lot of pretty bad campaigns out there. Haze, Colonial Marines, those feel like they’re on another level lol

[@flagondragon1854]

Looking at destiny 1 at a lens by itself yeah its not a very good campaign but with the stuff we have now it's actually pretty good

[@Wormy_fren]

I mean.... Shadow keep and onward generally were better campaigns imo purely for what they did. (Introducing antagonists and villains while also giving us subclasses from time to time) Like I think the only campaigns worse than D1 vanilla is like... Dark below and maybe curse of Osiris? I can't say because I never got to play that expansion but from what I heard it suffered from D1 syndrome pretty badly.​@@flagondragon1854

[@sethrussell7771]

It’s so much better than Destiny 2 lol

[@nd8490]

​@@flagondragon1854 Red War, Forsaken, Beyond Light, Witch Queen. All better campaigns than Destiny 1. Hell, we got more villain motive and characterization from Ghaul than we did Orxy.

[@MrShadow66687]

lol nostalgia, i still remeber playing this and how bad it was, specially the end. game got better with dlc but base game was crap.

[@calvinfishermedia]

Definitely valid to dislike it! I wouldn’t say it is nostalgia though, as I mentioned in the video I didn’t actually finish the campaign until this playthrough. Thanks for checking out the video!

[@dionlandon479]

Your first problem...was listening to other people's opinions...the only opinion I listen to is my own. I've been playing Destiny since Day one. I love the franchise!

[@calvinfishermedia]

Definitely a fair point lol! It’s such a great franchise to come back to, I take breaks but it always pulls me back in

[@GoldenCrusader-ji5oq]

Poo take

[@calvinfishermedia]

To each their own! Thanks for checking out the video anyway!