We Weren't Ready! Pastor/Therapist Reacts To Ren - Hi Ren

[@tonyfix8739]

How do you not see the hope in this work of art? Hope is the centerpiece of this song.

[@FastNCurious88]

This is my comment to them: This reaction proves that true understanding and authenticity can only exist in those who have suffered the most. Your perspective and your words are so immensely hollow when standing up against the depth that is this masterpiece. How disappointing and sad. Clearly you have just never been through even a small segment of true pain like those of us who connect to, and are inspired by this.

[@srenasymons3941]

Awareness opens the mind. Even NF speaks about it in his music... About the difference between a closed mind and an open mind and tells people I'd they don't believe in the message of the reality of the world we live in, they should open it because raising awareness is what these people are telling in their music is what sets people on to a path to enlightenment, understanding, empathy and zealousness which are vital ingredients in allowing God to be our guide because God and Jesus in the Bible literally represents all of those things and explains how they're virtues to us to guiding us to the path of rising above the darkness and chaos. You can't always rise above this kind of struggle we all face in this life without first being awake to it to really grasp what these messages mean. Alternatively you could just be living a lie by following faith blindly and that's not God's one truth as stated in the Bible.

[@AndriiMuliar]

They are in modern version of Christianity invented in 20 century, evangelical Christian. No morality is in it except God's Will.

[@analisasmith7927]

I respectfully but totally disagree. This is SUCH a positive, hopeful song!!! He sings about, and in his actual life shows, how you can balance darkness and light and so learn how to dance through life, accepting that sometimes it is very difficult. Having read many comments to this video, I can see he has helped a LOT of people and saved many lives. Everyone has a dark and light side - it’s part of being human. I recommend you watch his 5 min thank you speech for getting million subscribers called Defining Success.

[@DougBrown-h1n]

I agree. I think Christian expectations for spiritual purity and the consequent guilt born of failure can cause a great deal of mental turmoil. Ren addresses that - "for we are human beings".

[@Cahoon1967]

Typical pastor. These are the guys who claim god said they need a private jet. Over 40,000 different protestant denominations. They represent nothing more than selfishness and division. They can’t even agree amongst themselves! They Broke away from the original church set up by Jesus Christ himself and removed scripture from the bible. These Protestant pastors are not to be trusted! 7/10 they are complete liars and hypocrites!

[@bookerwills8649]

They are Christians, do you think thwy have critical thinking? Hahaha

[@jonmoore873]

The trouble is that ren perfectly breaks down peoples need for the comfort that it is something bigger than us rather that a shared yet personal struggle with the good vs the bad in our own heads. Folk that have found a more comfortable answer to this are not likely to challenge that view any further because of the security it gives them. The irony is that they arrive at pretty much the same time place but for different reasons.

[@edwardlawson9200]

Johnmoore, I disagree. I strongly believe that you are selling Ren and those who have found his work short. Rather than finding and sticking with that comfortable answer, I believe that it opens the majority to search for that which will support and fulfil them long term. Having watched a number of his videos and listened to his album, I think that he's managing to "promote" people to religion rather than disconcerting people away or settling for comfortable. I also believe that the struggle Ren portrayed is far more powerful than any sermon I have sat through on overcoming that inner voice trying to drag us from the light.

[@PoliticallyPink]

I don't understand how you can think this song is worth featuring; important issues, perspective, etc., YET you recommend that your audience not explore his other works? Are you even familiar with his catalogue? Ren connects people to their humanity and to each other. I know you are incorrect when you say Ren is lacking hope. He's overflowing with hope, and shares it generously. Thanks for the reaction!

[@Bearlissimo]

Honestly, check out Eden, Penitence, Heretic, Ready for You, Depression, Insomnia, Dominoes & then tell me that Ren isn't trying to engender not being afraid of tough subjects with love, understanding & patience!

[@rickb.4168]

Because they are believers. They’d let their kids read the horrors contained within the Bible like incest, slavery, murder, sacrifice, genocide to name just a few, but a few swear words!

[@0UTmyMIND-DEVINE]

Calm down.

[@lisayoung4987]

Ren Gifted Me Understanding. I'm not Alone with My Autoimmune disorders. Ren Helps With My Pain and I know He Understands My Plight.

[@rickb.4168]

@@0UTmyMIND-DEVINE The reply of the guilty.

[@shellymiller1248]

It is not sad that 22 million people connect with this! He is amazing and full of hope. I am 50 years old. My son has suffered in illness for 24 years and NOONE has helped us but Ren has literallly changed my life by giving me/us hope! I don’t care about his language. Just words and if you have suffered like he has (look up his story) and my son have the last thing I give one flip about is language. His language helps show his emotion and that is what is important. That is what makes him different. That is why he connects to so many- because he is raw, he is talented, he is real and he is hope personified.

[@justcodi23]

I think his point there is a bit misunderstood. It's not sad that 22 million people connected with the song. It's sad that 22 million people have suffered so much in life that this speaks to them so deeply. It's sad that so many people have felt hopeless at some point in their lives, that they struggle so hard. The connection itself isn't bad, its the reason for the connection that is heartbreaking and he feels empathy for all who have felt like Ren has. That's just my interpretation of what he said anyway.

[@geolectric_universe]

@@justcodi23 It's not just your interpretation, it IS exactly what he was conveying. Well done for having the discernment to hear the entire message instead of simply hearing "it's sad" and jumping straight to negativity.

[@leslieskoor2351]

You are so right on. The "bad" words put reality into this amazing art.

[@MrShadow-qz9xj]

@@justcodi23 someone that actually listened not just to the words, but the actual saddness in his tone.

[@dougross8790]

@@justcodi23 I purposely watched this video thinking there would be negative shit at the end. I agree with your take on his comments, that it was sad that 22 million agreed with him. For everyone else reading this, you have all read REN comments for his videos and know full well how different they are from other KZbin music comments.

[@deanweir8458]

I was in a dark place......this song pulled me back and gave me the strength to move on. I love RENs music he is a fantastic artist.

[@sanneberends8502]

I agree, when he stands up in de video I get goosebumps everytime. He sings about hope and in that moment ik can feel hope.

[@Puregamer1988]

He's a genius, He says it so easy, it connects and changes how we see things around us, And how we can deal with ourselves without Psychologist, and medication, and the battle with his inner demons. Was in the darkness myself, Intrusive thoughts, Telling me something that "I am not" worthless etc!! I'd don't care any more the Intrusive thoughts "inner demons" can fu*k off when they come, it's what I tell myself and have been the last 3 years, then I met Rens challenge and OMG. My favourite all time Rap singer now, Apart from eminem, and dre and all then guys!! Everyone has such a different flow but I think REN just blows the Real raps Out of the water with a subliminal messages that are helpful and hopeful

[@josho8888]

me too brotha there is times i cant listen to it because it brings me back to the rougher times. but every now and then i come back to appreciate how it helped pull me out of the nonsense in my head

[@Puregamer1988]

@josho8888 Yes, man, only look forward, don't let it, Bring back the memories but, in some cases,, It's good to return to some memories though.. Reason why is because ,, It remembers YOU how much of a warrior you are,, and myself, and 1000,s if not 10s Of thousands going through some sort mental thoughts.. Im gald im still alive, and I'm happy I pulled through, and I just literally came across Ren less than 2 months ago, as I was at the stage of becoming better, mentally.. And REN just blew the lid of the rest of my worries and fears, I already know what the government, doctors are trying to do. I've been well knowledged about this for a VERY long time.. He is just honestly Onna different wave length to any other rapper I have EVER heard off. The wordplay and the factual stuff his plays in along with it is just mind-bending 💀

[@Arhimith]

You wouldnt know hope if it punched you in the face. This is a very positive song filled with light and wisdom but you choose not to see it.

[@catsandcrafts171]

The only hope Christians need is their faith in the afterlife. Personally, I prefer my hope grounded in things I'll actually see and do within my life here on earth, I don't need the 'hope' of an afterlife to make me strive for good and renounce the bad.

[@jonneateh5815]

​@@catsandcrafts171I personally don't think of it as faith in the afterlife but being great full for what I have. But also agree with you second point you should try to do good because it's the right thing to do not as some kind of bribe to God.

[@dertyp3463]

I think they're both trying but I do sense a lot ego in that pastor which may cloud his judgement.

[@brianjohnson1985]

Eyes wide shut.

[@FastNCurious88]

🎉🎉🎉 This is my comment to them: This reaction proves that true understanding and authenticity can only exist in those who have suffered the most. Your perspective and your words are so immensely hollow when standing up against the depth that is this masterpiece. How disappointing and sad. Clearly you have just never been through even a small segment of true pain like those of us who connect to, and are inspired by this.

[@Pixie7584]

Coming from a Catholic, I think this is one of the big issues with Christians. They don't see or understand anything other than the word of the Bible. If you listen and truly think about the lyrics, it is absolutely beautiful. This is a huge issue in the world today and Ren puts it out there so people of all backgrounds and ages can relate and find HOPE. He is an inspiration, a real life, breathing inspiration; not words in a book that was passed down through hundreds of years that people have to decipher. It's not a bad thing to open your mind.

[@angiefifer9232]

I love this song. And I am a Christian.

[@jonneateh5815]

I'm a Christian and love rens music. And I agree with you a lot of preachers/pastors only see it their way and a lot of the time try to dumb it down so much that the word of God loses all meaning and push people away from the church and religion. If the showed the good bad and ugly of what's taught in the book they are more likely to believe and understand.

[@DanMaul-ip1is]

Same here as a Christian I’ve listened to this song at least a dozen times. And his other work. He is an artist. Any religion needs to find the lost souls and fully understand those lost souls as much as they do their Holy book. How else can you help them find salvation.

[@JesusSaves5500]

Everyone here is refusing to listen. Everyone is so mad because they love this song so much, I get it, but the dude is not wrong. It IS incredibly sad that so many people connect with this song because that means that SO many people have suffered in similar ways. Its incredibly sad and I dont see how it isnt. The choice to censor the language was made so that younger viewers arent exposed to it. They stated very clearly that people watch this channel with their children and some parents actually care about what influences their kids. Its a crazy concept, I know. And telling those parents not to seek out the rest of Rens catalogue with their kids is also understandable. Ive listened to every song Ren has on youtube and I wouldnt let my kids listen to the Tale of Jenny and Screech or Sick Boi. Thats not what kids need to be exposed to. Ultimately its their choice and honestly, it was the right choice to make. Aside from all of that, the review was positive and thoughtful. The pastor (sorry I dont know his name) is very right in stating that Ren hasnt had his "Hope moment" yet, hes still struggling, hes still having this battle, hes still sick. Again, where is the pastor wrong? I get it, this song has a rabid fan base that expect nothing less than a glowing review calling this song a work of art and praising Ren. And if someone dares to not be 100% blown away the Ren simps storm the comments and throw a fit. Completely ignoring the fact that there wasnt one dishonest, malicious or really even negative thing said about this song. But because the pastor didnt fall to the floor and proclaim Ren as the second coming of Christ yall are losing your damn minds. Its sad to see.

[@zebblensheick8694]

Also a Catholic here. Completely agree.

[@WelshAmethystGirl087]

Do not put down ren and his talent his pain is his strength he is a major role model for all of us in a dark space or having difficulties. Can't you just enjoy it for the art it is

[@jeanfieler9885]

I believe everyone should see this video. Kids, adults, in-between, believers, non-believers, and in-between. A few curse words shouldn’t deter anyone from this young man’s light.

[@katedayton3746]

Life is gritty. It is sinful to teach people to fear words as a mechanism to prevent healing discussion. Pain is messy. Suffering is improper. Clutching pearls and fussing about gritty language is actual obscenity. Let children learn how to be human.

[@ShawnsLoop]

I'll agree with you except for kids. And this depends on the age of the kids of course. Older teens, sure, I'd be comfortable watching it WITH them. But I have a younger son around 10, and this is simply too heavy of a topic for him. It's not about hiding the tough aspects of the world from our kids, I don't subscribe to that. But kids of a certain age still hold onto some of that child-like innocence and just hope and happiness. And while it's important to introduce them to struggle and challenge and realistic aspects of failure and learning, we shouldn't be in too big of a hurry to wipe that innocence off them either. Just my respectful opinion.

[@angiefifer9232]

Yes but edited

[@deniseemond9263]

@@ShawnsLoopthis talented young man is suffering illness brought on by a tick bite. He is still standing strong. If you listen to all of his work you will see that he is a very good and morale young man. No little children are not able to understand what Ren is saying. But as a great grandmother who is a Christian I do see and understand what he is saying. I too have struggled for my lifetime with autoimmune disease. So maybe I understand it better because I have walked in his shoes. Please don’t judge before you have looked more closely at all of his work. I think you will find that he is trying to bring light and hope to people. He is raw and he is honest. As a Christian I want to reach out to him and tell him to please hold on. Have we even wondered if maybe the Lord is using Ren to bring hope and strength to people who suffer what he suffers? Because I have learned to suffer just like Ren. If one couldn’t learn to suffer one might choose to end their suffering. But Ren advocates standing strong in the fire of the pain. I think this young artist is truthful and sincere. I think he is doing a ministry of hope for those of us who do suffer daily. I will stand in the fire of pain with him because I have learned to relax and suffer myself. It is what my Lord asks of me. It isn’t easy but it can teach both the person who suffers and those who must watch deep faith.

[@joshuawilliams4314]

@@ShawnsLoopI see your point but for all u know your kids already depressed and something like this can help as they don’t feel alone and if u ain’t got depression u won’t understand or be able too help stuff like this can make u understand that your not the only person going through this

[@fluxfist6920]

You DON'T want people to check out his other works? Ren restored my faith not only in people and humanity, but my belief in God as well. God forbid if people find help in some other way than lining a pastor's pockets.

[@paulavance5096]

Preach!!

[@odoylerules4503]

thats why my relationship with god doesn't have a middle man

[@JulienVanHoorne]

Don't want to steal their words but Amen to your comment.

[@Spugedelia77]

@@odoylerules4503 Those MFs just want your money and your obedient. They have no real answers.

[@TornSoul062473]

that one had to sting.

[@petehutcheon5186]

Sad??? Sad that 22 million people have watched this? Sad? Ridiculous. It’s an inspirational piece that gives hope. That’s the whole point. Hope and understanding and support. Sad? More should watch! Right over your heads. Oh well.

[@nomers701]

But it didn’t go over their heads…you pulled out one comment and out of context. I watched a Pastor be attentive and compassionate through this whole video and not give the “church people” kind of reaction. I saw and heard humility which isn’t found in church settings a lot. There was empathy toward those of us (like myself) have battled and are still fighting the war of the mind.

[@judyschoonmaker7758]

I believe you missed the point he was making. Sad...as in how many people who NEED to hear this.

[@DistrictWitch]

@@judyschoonmaker7758 that's not sad though really is it? Life is life - struggle and suffering is part of the point of it. I think what's annoying people with this reaction is that it's all tinted with that particular kind of American puritan/evangelical style of thinking - as if any 'uncomfortable' or 'undesirable' state is defacto 'bad', or should be 'got ridden of'. Whereas most secular/agnostic/non-religious folk would likely say that's a deeply 'sad' misinterpretation of what it means to be human; it simply would not be 'what it is' without suffering, without the 'other side of the coin'. Yin and Yang and all that. It's a common annoyance people have with religiously-minded people and I do get it myself, because it comes across as dismissive, especially when it comes to art that deals with serious topics and so on.

[@judyschoonmaker7758]

@DistrictWitch I didn't feel that from this reaction myself. I think those who hate religious people are looking for anything to make them look bad. 🤔 And, you are correct that we are all suffering in one way or another. Most people suffering with mental health are looking for relief. So it's not something most people enjoy suffering through. My son has suffered for several years now, he does accept it, but it's pretty much destroyed his life.

[@bookerwills8649]

They are religious zealots... weird they are also hypocrites... as they make money off of ren... evil people taking advantage of people

[@patrickrojas8514]

I have been a member of my church for 18 years. I battled with some of the struggles ren touched on. I wish this video was around when I was younger. It would have helped and given me hope to know I was not alone. He is helping many people that are struggling. Check out the song seven sins that just came out. Take the time to understand his journey and why he does what he does 🙏

[@AbyssmalSoup307]

How can they see this as lack of hope? He has fought something horrible, and is passing hope to others as he danced back to the light. Just because they have the eternal light in their peripherals, doesn’t mean many others don’t find hope and light in this.

[@RaeBrown-ck3du]

They are assholes

[@nannyogtha]

Teens should 100% see this video. Stress, hormones, pressure (internal and external) - they will absolutely connect to this and it will help them hope. Feel less alone.

[@aimee_susan]

I’m not sure how you can say this gorgeous piece of art lacks hope if you actually listened to the lyrics: And you know me my will is eternal And you know me you've met me before Face to with a beast I will rise from the east and I'll settle on the ocean floor And I go by many names also Some people know me as hope Some people know me as the voice that you hear when you loosen the noose on the rope And you know how I know how I know that I'll prosper? 'Cause I stand here beside you today I have stood in the flames that cremated my brain And I didn't once flinch or shake So cower at the man I've become When I sing from the top of my lungs That I won't retire, I'll stand in your fire, inspire the weak to be strong

[@jonneateh5815]

I agree this song is about hope and his journey. It's about hope embracing the little to make it out the dark.

[@teddennison344]

The word Hope is in the song. It literally does NOT lack hope. Just factually incorrect.

[@thesanfranciscoseahorse473]

I suspect they meant that Ren is still in the middle of his struggle. Unlike NF who wrote an album on coming out the other side, healed, Ren is still in the middle of the battle. There is hope. But Rem doesn't have a "hope" album. That's the title of NFs album I believe?

[@Godseeker-2020]

They are far more concerned Ren cussed a bit and not much care given to Ren contemplating killing himself after a life of pain, mistreatment, and disappointment.

[@teddennison344]

@@Godseeker-2020 If you're easily offended by language, that's fine, but don't hide behind The Bible. "Taking God's name in vain" was originally about lying in sworn public statements (eg: "I swear to God."), not raunchy words.

[@alis098]

What you don't realize in your reaction about these million viewers is, that this is also masterpiece of music, lyric and acting art. And this is also one of reasons why you are so overwhelmed.

[@christallh24]

Thanks for the disclaimer! I know now not to waste my time watching this reaction. Also, yours is a channel I've put on DON'T RECOMMEND THIS CHANNEL!

[@nomers701]

My therapist introduced me to Hi Ren a few months ago. He was misdiagnosed with Lyme Disease and suffered for I think 10 years before the doctors figured it out. He went through so much pain and torture with medical and mental battles. He also lost his best friend to suicide and was only moments too late getting to him before he ended his life. I am 41 now but my life was shattered at 25 by an auto immune disease that at the time put me in so much pain and a wheelchair was my future. When I turned 30 I had a new mysterious illness that was worse than the first. My church family (esp pastor) watched me leave the 99 and left me on my own. I felt alone and abandoned and if not for my mental breakdown in 2020 (before lockdown) I would have possibly succeeded with my many plans since the 7th grade to take my life. For me this was the first time not only with this song but by others Ren has written and composed…here was someone bringing to light to the torture of understanding pain with no end. Here was someone who has the bravery to tell his story to help people like me who struggle with the mental and physical pain in I face and battle. No church people helped me with that. Thank you for stepping out and speaking on this reaction video especially on a Christian based community podcast that might people who do not like it. The battle is real and we are warned several times we do not fight against flesh and blood but the powers of darkness and evil.

[@Codex7777]

I don'y know why people think he's ok now, health wise. He's better than he was during his misdiagnosis but he's still seriously ill. We only see him on his 'good' day. He's still in constant pain, tires easily, has severe autoimmunity, is still allergic to virtually all food, meaning virtually the same meal, every single mealtime. He remains, at present, unable to tour. He still has depression, adhd and ptsd and has frequent days where his body, brain, or both just aren't functioning. He still has mast cell disease, which is potentially much more serious than Lyme disease as, unlike Lyme, it's progress can only be slowed, not halted. He has brain damage, extensive nerve damage, damage to his bones, joints and internal organs. He's on heavy and extensive medication, with a host of side-effects. As I said, he remains in constant pain. There's some hope that the experimental treatments he's been undergoing in Canada, for the past year, will bring some improvement but there are no guarantees and much of the damage is likely permanent. As is the autoimmunity, unfortunately. As is the mast cell disease. Ren puts on a brave face and things are considerably better than the 10 years of absolute torture that preceded more recent times but he's still suffering. We just have to hope that new medical discoveries or treatments emerge in the years to come. However, one of the problems with a lot of these chronic illnesses, is that there hasn't been much serious research done. So far, at least... Fingers crossed. :)

[@nomers701]

@@Codex7777 I agree 100% with your point of view. For someone suffering from mental illnesses and physical painful trauma and suffering I feel these comments are more of a response to the fact Ren didn’t give up and with his long journey he bravely keeps going. As someone who was called a liar about my illnesses and seeking attention I was pointing out that Ren was a different voice to me. Someone was articulating the struggle of pain and not giving the superficial things people say.

[@wolfhawk1999]

"I'm the voice that you hear when you loosen the noose on the rope" is the line that always gets me. I feel that pain and I think it's important to hear hope articulated in such a poignant way. I've been there, and something told me not to. Hope, God, all of that. This song is pure hope in a life with darkness. I hope you are well and thriving. Keep up the good fight.

[@OuchingTigerLimpingDragon]

Your story sounds so similar to mine, Naomi. I finally got a good number of diagnoses after fighting for them for _years,_ (thankfully not the whole 10 years that is the average time it takes to get a chronic illness diagnosis) but there's still health stuff that's not understood yet. One of the things that's given me the worst trouble is finding help for the Intractable Pain diagnosis. It's just assumed that you're wanting to get high, when really you'd just like to live a mundane life! I know that Ren's music will continue to help people who have experienced these kinds of struggles long after he and I are both gone, and I think that's beautiful.

[@alextomlinson]

I am on year 8. At deaths door with no answers and no concern from anyone. It is hell. Ren makes me feel understood by someone

[@waneemo9067]

So Ren has an ability to draw deep emotion out of the listener because he can express those feelings in a simple way with his lyrics that few have before. He reflects the human condition all of us experience but dont share. I dont care what your faith is or even if you have any, this is spiritual because he shows how we as humans find our own inner strength to endure life. We inately hope, through our darkest moments we still find hope. That is our humanity. Ren has touched so many and created a community with no judgment, understanding, and vulnerability. He has shared his deepest pain that we connect with. He is an amazing once in a generation talent and lyricist and has no boundaries.

[@-Rambi-]

Ah. A church. That explains. This is a humanist song, it is built from the foundation of morals, sympathy an empathy that never stopped evolving (not a pun). Mental health issues is something that won't get cured in the darkness, it must be in the spotlight for everyone in society to get educated on so that those suffering from it won't feel shunned. But I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, after all, therapist and all.

[@EriBerry1981]

My kids (12 & 9) both love Ren. The 9 year old said "this guy gets it" when listening to Ren's songs. Check out his other works, bc he is a fantastic artist and human.

[@ashley_7]

This song, this artist has given so many people hope, given so many people the feeling that they aren't alone...he brings the freaks together and helps us find each other. That kind of talent is priceless.

[@FastNCurious88]

This is my comment to them: This reaction proves that true understanding and authenticity can only exist in those who have suffered the most. Your perspective and your words are so immensely hollow when standing up against the depth that is this masterpiece. How disappointing and sad. Clearly you have just never been through even a small segment of true pain like those of us who connect to, and are inspired by this.

[@cherylwilson8743]

The reason so many connect with Ren is because he is real, he is the voice for many of us.

[@claretlake]

He literally sings "some people know me as hope"

[@RichardQuadling]

And if the tears aren't flowing at that point, then I hope there are enough people supporting you to reach the point where you can start to tap those walls, gently mind, and find that the door was never locked, it just opened outwards.

[@halosaft]

​@@RichardQuadling Just because you aren't crying doesn't mean you can't appreciate this piece of art

[@bookerwills8649]

They don't care. Christianity isn't about hope these days it's about grifting. If they didn't like it why did they show it and make money of it... hmmm

[@michaelarnott5659]

And the voice u hear when u loosen tho noose on the rope

[@joshuavolschenk-vn1jf]

I am a Christian, and I think that anything claiming to be Christian, but not promoting Hope and showing the Hope we have through Jesus Christ, is not truly grounded in Christ. Christianity should always be about Hope! God Bless man.

[@ryansmith8138]

This is hardly a reaction video if you have already watched it! Ren's Music is really connecting, honest, real, and about humanity as a whole, he talks about mental health, the difficulties we all face and most importantly, he delivers a message we all need to hear.

[@judyschoonmaker7758]

Thank you for your reaction. Ren is so very special, helping so many people who struggle with pain and illness. You were correct when pointing out that Hi Ren has 23 million views which in a way is sad because of how many connect to the song....meaning there are so many millions of people suffering in this sad world. On the other hand it's fantastic an artist like Ren makes music to help just those people. I absolutely ADORE Ren, a beautiful human being in all ways. Thanks again for the great reaction.

[@cultivatinggrace]

Ren is a good example of how agnostic people, like he is, can borrow from very familiar Christian imagery to move to a better please without being Christian. We all have to move through the dark and the light, and absolutely not have to take on Christianity to find a way through it all.

[@analisasmith7927]

Well said 👏

[@Hoop_23]

Agnosticism is the only logical "belief" system, the world would be a much better place filled with only agnostics.

[@TheProtestantPope]

Ren is not agnostic although he may appear to portray himself as such being the wise lad that he is knowing committing publicly to one belief system is counter productive to his message and art. He wears a cross on his right ear and his use of Christian imagery and concepts hint at his world view which what Christianity actually is rather than being a religion. Catholicism is a religion but outside that church Christianity may be cults, splinter groups, movements or businesses. Most great artists know the presence of a cosmic loving and intelligent force that influences their creative process and performances. And they are no fools thinking that they are great in their own right. That being said their experience of the cosmic Divine means they are highly turned off by organised religion or rigid structures of dogmatic theology. These great artists are the prophets of our modern times because they are free thinkers and the Divine refuses to be placed in a man made box because it is infinite and free. I mean this when I say it: "Ren is part of the Jesus movement" but irreligious.

[@Hoop_23]

@@TheProtestantPope he has himself stated he is agnostic.

[@ghoul_gang8991]

@@TheProtestantPopehe said he is agnostic in his Eden video at the end

[@typofan]

Ren gives more hope than the pastor does

[@RaeBrown-ck3du]

Dude with red hair u don't even deserve to hear anything else from ren. Truth... Obviously u can't handle

[@RaeBrown-ck3du]

Ya.. mmhu.. I seen ur red head bobbing to the beat

[@RaeBrown-ck3du]

WEIRDLY ACCLECTIC.. HAVE U LOOKED IN THE MIRROR

[@markiefufu]

I was raised in the southern baptist church and then my parents turned evangelical in the early 80s. I never connected with what the church was telling me. It was all surface and no depth. Ren speaks of the human condition without hiding it under the guise of religion. Religion never taught me to think deeper.

[@johnschmitt7957]

If anything ever spoke to me in all the years I sat in a church pew as much as this work of art I might still be there. Watching this video reminds me why I will never be back.

[@FastNCurious88]

This is my comment to them: This reaction proves that true understanding and authenticity can only exist in those who have suffered the most. Your perspective and your words are so immensely hollow when standing up against the depth that is this masterpiece. How disappointing and sad. Clearly you have just never been through even a small segment of true pain like those of us who connect to, and are inspired by this.

[@louise11854]

hello dears! "folk rap" !!! that's perfect, i loved it!! i was so excited to see this reaction video of hi ren by a church. i'm a 72 yo christian woman, and ren (after the Lord, of course) brings great encouragement to my life daily. ren states that he is an agnostic and his song lyrics reflect that. the fact that many of his songs contain biblical references shows me his struggle. i pray for his full healing, mind body spirit. ren's vast fan base is largely composed of sick/crazy folks like me. and ren is one of us. ren's character and his transparency (as displayed in his short thank you video to his fans on his 1mil subs. ) in his lyrics and life has endured ren to millions, and i just love the 'lad' and his music. while hearing this art, many others will be encouraged to realize that they are not alone. it's like validation for a solitary life of chronic physical/mental illness. ren speaks to our community and acknowledges our lonely lives, because he's lived it worse that most people can comprehend. i just wanted to say a special thank you for spreading this. but don't stop here, his catalog is large - top tier. ren never puts out anything less than his best, and challenges himself to improve with every project. always great!!! kathleen bts renegade

[@dawnblaynee7983]

Love this

[@melissawinstead8848]

❤❤❤

[@louise11854]

@@dawnblaynee7983 ♥ ♥ ♥

[@GodisgoodATT16]

I agree, his referencing to The Bible tells me that he is still leaving the door open and considering how good of a person he seems to be, I feel certain that if he keeps it up, he will receive the blessings. God has in store for him.

[@louise11854]

@@GodisgoodATT16 😁

[@Feier_Salamander]

Thank you for reminding me of how far away religious people are from real humans.

[@LoremLorem]

I think Ren knows God better than they. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@sherylmccollum895]

Yes this..

[@Fetzi124]

​@@LoremLorem Amen Brother

[@RagnarLoudpak]

Dude, look at your pfp. Are you people dense on purpose, or do you really lack all cognitive ability?

[@thesanfranciscoseahorse473]

Then you'll find out Ren is religious.... Lol

[@patrickquinlan3056]

Yeah, you both missed the point. That is the really sad part.

[@45Lonewolf45]

No censorship please, especially Ren , takes emotion out of the song

[@MrLove11590]

I guess you'll just have to listen to it somewhere else.

[@jamespowers8826]

Watch his song "Seven Sins." Don't care if you react to it, listen to it. As for profanity, younger adults (I'm old) use profanity casually. It does not hold the connotation it had for us. If you let people's language shock or bother you, you've cut off all possibility of communication with them. Ren is, musically, talented in a way that only happens a few times in a generation. He's going a long way if success doesn't corrupt him. He seems to have his head screwed on right, so I don't think even the music industry can change his course.

[@jonneateh5815]

For the younger people it is just words. Even coming from a religious point it's not blasphemy as he's not taking the Lord's name in vein.

[@trevjones5208]

ren is doing more to help people than all you pastors and therapists in the world.

[@rcmysm9123]

stupid

[@kabutze3312]

true!!!

[@iancoomber1604]

Indeed - 22 Million more 🙂

[@ashleymaden]

They’re on the same team, that’s the beauty of it 🙏🏼🙌🏼👏🏼

[@andybricks576]

I agree brother . Q. To the Pastor/Therapist: "How is it sad that millions of people are identifying with Ren's work?" Personally, I find Ren's music & raw, honest & AWESOME! I am so grateful that he exists, he has a Platform & he's using it, what more could you ask for? And with social media the World doesn't seem so big anymore, there are people suffering with health ailments &/or similar experiences in life too so when you can find someone like Ren who helps you feel less alone it can only help those who feel so isolated, misunderstood, different etc. I've never met Ren & I don't have to because he is constantly in contact with his fans, he keeps people up to date with his Health & where he's at because he knows we generally care about him & vice versa! Nothing sad about that at all! Ren has raised more awareness, cash, etc than I've ever known any Church member to do, I'm still waiting for my Pastor to have time to visit me despite my asking for a chat 11 months ago! A phone call wouldn't hurt but I'm told the church will send someone out to my house at some stage, wow! I lost my ability to walk on Xmas Day & have no outside help so "Ren" has become a lifeline to me, his music helps me feel settled in a world gone cold & selfish.

[@RichardQuadling]

"Hi Ren" connects to MANY because of the recognition we find within ourselves, something locked down through generations or an event from last week. We all have our own stories of reality. Just like people, religions come and go. Sometimes what comes next is good. Sometimes not. Just like people. The world is no more or less broken than it has ever been. Humans do that. Well. Sometimes those with the money and the power. Sometimes those on the outside of society join together and overthrow. Nothing new under the sun. So what does this have to do with Ren. Hi Ren is effectively telling us that he knows, through his own hardships, that we are not alone. How many people in the world feel alone? Whilst you are a church, other organisations exist that offer an equivalent way of helping. But are these funded enough? We pay taxes. But we all know those taxes are used to pay for war and not for peace. And so, a man called Ren, who loves music and showing off (read his backstory and see what he used to do as a kid), not in a bad way, just in the way of someone who sees the skills he has and wants to share that. The man called Ren decided to make a song about his struggle. Watching about his making of this video is, in my mind, more powerful than the video itself. He had about 30 minutes to get the whole thing done. 4 takes and then off to hospital for months of medicine after being misdiagnosed for a VERY long time. The damage that the misdiagnose may be permanent. His struggle is real. And he has opened it up for you all to see. And we see it. We recognise it. We acknowledge it. And we acknowledge his honesty. The way that was done is affecting people in a way that has more of a connection to humanity than then need for the imaginary. As human beings, we need to look after ourselves. First and foremost. But we can also reach out, helping hands, paying it forward, hoping that we are good enough to understand the pain of others. And at worse, being nothing more than a comfortable space to allow someone who was lost to find their way. We must never dismiss someone else's pain because we don't understand it. And sadly, too many organisations do that. "Okay, take another pill boy Drown yourself in the sound of white noise Follow this ten-step program, rejoice All your problems will be gone! **** dumb boy" Nothing can replace the memory of the pain. Nothing can turn us away from the path we must take to work through it. And THAT is what "Hi Ren" is saying. We are all different. We are all equal. We are all colours. Under the sun.

[@heidimcneel2371]

This is my first time hearing this song! WOW!!! Hit on so many emotions

[@williamparrish9954]

Ren back story went years misdiagnosed with depression bi polar chronic fatigue syndrome he had a recording deal in 2010 with Sony why working on his album he got really sick and couldn't finish it so they parted ways he moved back to Wales he got so sick he became bedridden for up 23 hours day they had him on meds that caused him to have psychosis it would take years before he got right diagnosis of Lyme disease he went so long misdiagnosed that he has Brain damage Organ damage Joint damage he got PTSD too but not from meds he had 2 stem cell transplant done he also has ADHD he in Canada right now getting treatment done he has to have IV 5 days a week they put this thing on his head that help open path ways in his brain he can only eat 2 kinds of beef and few Vegetables because the autoimmune causes his body to have allergic reaction to just about everything he eats Ren play guitar drum piano bass he produces his own music mixes his own beats beatboxes sings and can rap he has band call the pig push he had number 1 album in Uk October Ren can do any Genera of music

[@Ads78gunner14]

Watch it somewhere else their reaction is typically religious unless you like that sort of thing.

[@RagnarLoudpak]

@@Ads78gunner14would you say that they’re pushing their views onto their audience by telling people what to think and watch?

[@shawnhenry4100]

An age warning is okay. Censoring The Art , no. Please consider posting explicit version of your reactions rather than, bend the knee. The X factor for me is. God Sent this message thru Ren. Should we Shroud his testimony? it frightens me of the Potential to censor a positive message, for example a burning bush, terrorized my dreams. That was until I understood the context... Thanks for your views.

[@Hoop_23]

Age warning is BS too. The bible is far more graphic and dangerous for kids than this video.

[@davemannn]

That's not how most Christians work...they decide what is God flowing through people...and what is "filth"...and only they.

[@jsamuelsen]

​@@Hoop_23 Exactly!

[@GodisgoodATT16]

@hoop how many eight-year-olds do you know that have read the Bible from front to back? Listen, I am also disgusted by the money, hungry faults profits that claim to be preachers, but these guys did nothing wrong. They are the owners of this reaction therefore they can censor whatever they like, and if you don't like it, don't comment and head somewhere else and I mean that with all due respect, and from a place of love.

[@Hoop_23]

@GodisgoodATT16 You are correct, it is their channel but it is also my right to comment my thoughts that relate to the video.

[@DogDocKat]

Ren is a genius and one of the most caring and compassionate people I have ever encountered. He brings so much hope in this song and most of his catalog. He literally saved my life, along with so many others. I completely disagree with you telling people not to check out his music. Please watch his one million subscribers video to get an idea of who Ren is. You totally missed the point of this. Disappointing.

[@darcieturner5423]

I hope people do check out his catalog bc the songs are beautiful and emotional, he defys genres bc he does them all. His music has brought me closer to God and many others xo

[@atornblad]

Oh my goodness, how is it possible for two educated people like yourselves to completely misunderstand, or maybe even misconstrue, this work? Your reaction paints you as out of touch with reality. This is a message of hope and strength.

[@FastNCurious88]

This is my comment to them: This reaction proves that true understanding and authenticity can only exist in those who have suffered the most. Your perspective and your words are so immensely hollow when standing up against the depth that is this masterpiece. How disappointing and sad. Clearly you have just never been through even a small segment of true pain like those of us who connect to, and are inspired by this.

[@noggyplays2822]

I'm only a minute in and I've already heard enough of you two. Sad you can't see the message of hope that ren is singing about.

[@lockerzstuff93]

This song literally helped me overcome my addiction.. I’m a year and some change clean. Listening to this set me on the path to recovery and gave me “hope.”

[@FastNCurious88]

Good on you! I have 8 1/2 years, never look back! 🎉 I am SO PROUD OF YOU! ❤ This is my comment to them: This reaction proves that true understanding and authenticity can only exist in those who have suffered the most. Your perspective and your words are so immensely hollow when standing up against the depth that is this masterpiece. How disappointing and sad. Clearly you have just never been through even a small segment of true pain like those of us who connect to, and are inspired by this.

[@storkbreath]

A message of Hope. Pastor it was the tree of the knowledge of good AND evil. One tree one fruit even. And the eyes of them both were opened. Ren other than saying that Christ dwells within him and beside him, he also alludes to the story of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego that were thrown into a fiery furnace by Nebuchadnezzar and are unharmed as a man who appeared as the son of god in the flames protected them from the fire.

[@PrimusxPilus]

I appreciate you're reviewing Ren. Sad you seemed to miss the point.

[@PainReigns125]

Hold on, I Really love the way you guys are starting this. Its like your reacting to "masochist" by the same artist. For your platform i dont recommend that one, especially if you feel this was about this song. As youve seen 10 days later an unprecedented and overwhelming possitive and "attack" style emotional responses, one can gather that this song is truly amazing. CNN had to "apologizeish" or redact statments made about THIS song. I love the ren doubters All i have to say is DO NOT tell people not to look into his cataloge. Thats over the line. "At the peril of BETTERING your mental health and relationships, and if you DONT want to get rid of your suicidal thoughts, and if you WILL NEVER seek help for you phyical health" is the only disclaimer youve added to this video and thats disrespectful because thats EXACTLY what hes done for me and MANY others. Thank you for the reaction. Im glad this song is still garnering attention a year later. God Bless

[@adamjondo]

Its not Good vs Evil at the beginning. It's 'A battle with the unconscious' (IE: The Jungian 'Shadow Self'). Ren even quotes Jung ''The more intense the Light, the Darker the Shadow it casts'. BOTH Voices are necessary for our psychological growth (even though the Shadow's Truth's sound painful (EG : Part of Ren DOES want wealth, fame and conquest). The spiritual 'Battle' is to synthesis those 2 Voices into a higher, better integrated Self. Ren does this at the half way point when he says 'I'll lock you inside'. This 'Hegelian Synthesis' of 2 Voices forges his transcendance & rebirth as he stands. Thus crushing the spiritual 'coal' of his divided self into the 'diamond' of his higher Self. And then we hear a new Voice ('The Devil') furiously ranting at that synthesis. It sounds powerful and scary. But in reality its just the empty egotistical bluster of his old skin being shed. A bit like Golem falling into Mount Doom still reaching for the ring under the grinning delusion that he's about to become omnipotent. But in reality his fate is Dust. And what emerges (stands) from that Dust (cremation) is another new Voice. Ren's Higher (Diamond) Self. This non-Dualistic take paints a very different picture of Good vs Evil where... Evil (Dust) is really an illusion we become attached to and can shed. It's not an equal & opposite force to the Good (Diamond) 'Selves' we strugge to become. And BOTH Voices/Selves are essential ingredients in that eternal synthesis & Dance. Bottom line - The battle between Good & Evil is NOT the battle between those 2 Selves. It is the eternal battle (dance) to synthesis those 2 Selves into a Higher (Transcendant) Self and thereby self improve and evolve towards the ultimate archetypal Good (God). IMO all 'Monistic' (non-'Dualistic') religeous traditions echo this understanding. PS: Re 'You can't get to Heaven just by being Good' (another video on this channel). IMO : 'Yes' you absolutely CAN get to Heaven 'just by being Good'. The Pastor does his congregation no favours by teaching them otherwise. Nor by teaching they are intrinsicly unsightly in the eyes of the God who created them. This is a profoundly misguided and Dualistic interpreation of the Christian narrative. It's not what Christ intended and I appeal to him to reflect on this and his own 'Shadow'. Spiritual Redemption is NOT an intellectual pub quiz between competing religeons where a 'Loving, Just, and Merciful God' sends you to 'Hell' if you happen to back the wrong horse with your limited human mind and in good faith. It's the personal, day to day battle Ren so eloquently acts out in this masterpiece. Hope all this provides useful food for thought and prayer.

[@YourMomRPG]

Exactly. “Multiple personalities”. Thanks for explaining that to them so adeptly.

[@lopezbill6132]

Yessss the awakened are here!!!!!!!

[@tomhoremans2506]

There are students and, yes, there are victims… What saddens me most is that it’s often the very biased, most closed minded people are the ones who seem to suddenly go blind and deaf when true wisdom appears right in front of them. What makes it even more hopeless and annoying imo, is that those ignorant know-it-alls also seem to be ones who have the most fanatical beliefs and most dogmatic views (which they cannot help but spread 24/7 with those typically overly loud and inexplicably self-assured voices as if we really need another pandemic). Did I mention that I can get somewhat annoyed by such lunacy? Anyway.. I meant to reply to this insightful comment, so back to that (apologies for bad English, not a native speaker). Having studied mysticism from different belief systems for many years, one of the most amazing things I discovered was that they had very profound similarities in their core systems, a unifying principle that overcomes dualities being one such example that appears to connect just about any mystical system out there, be it Cabalistic/Hebrew, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Taoistic, etc. Interestingly enough I also discovered that it was especially where the ideas of the mystics came in conflict with the dogmas found their own respective religious systems, that the most similarities could be found across totally diverse types of mysticism. The most profound wisdom is universal and has its eyes wide open, senses purified, and cannot , will never be restricted to the confines of dogma. Another striking similarity that connects mystical systems in a way that transcends all religion, is that the at its core mysticism also transcends language. Whatever happens after the death of the Ego and becoming one with the All, can’t be put into words (the Dao that can be talked about is not the real Dao). That ineffable realm of das Ding an sing, of Platonic Ideas, Lacan’s Order of Real, etc, can’t be described. But I believe that it can be felt. It is present all around us imo and we can feel it sometimes iin certain precious, vulnerable, authentic places. Ren’s Work for me is such a place. It can be for all who have eyes to see and ears to listen. Peace ✌️ Tom

[@heartwork8318]

Indeed! Thank you!

[@GodisgoodATT16]

You lost me at "evil is an illusion"... man... It hurts me so much to see so many people that are so narcissistic, that they believe that as humans in a universe so vast, that it's impossible for there to be a "higher power" that actually put us here in the first place. Also, I would be willing to bet that the people that are non believers, who are quick to point out that Christianity is wrong, have never read The Bible, particularly the New Testament, which is all about a man/God that numerous prophesies in The Old Testament ( dates written have been proven) were about. I have no hate for anyone that doesn't believe in God or Jesus and I don't expect to change anyone's mind over the internet. It just makes me sad that there is division between us over something that is all about love, mercy, forgiveness, HOPE, and righteousness.

[@belle-m3w]

the fact that both a pastor and a therapist is encouraging people to not listen to his music and saying he has no hope is crazy. It makes sense to me now how music/god has helped me improve my life/mental health more than any therapist or pastor ever has.

[@laurenhams58]

While I respect your opinions, there are a few points I have to disagree with. First of all, Ren's message is intentionally explicit. He is expressing not only worlds of pain, but also intense anger. A kind of anger that can be expressed with vulgar language. Secondly, telling viewers to not watch the original content or anything else by the artist is extremely immoral in my opinion. Ren is an incredible artist and deserves to be heard without being censored. Lastly, as someone who has a similar background to Ren, I can assure you that hope is certainly not lacking in this video. In fact, I think that discovering Ren has genuinely saved my life. Just because he is expressing intense, justified anger, does not take away from the hope he spreads to people in varying walks of life.

[@frankfoulk1029]

Well said sir

[@jacoby-flower]

Yeah, weird They will react for their own content but then tell people to not check out the actual artist.

[@Henry4ever]

You have no right to censure any 9f Ren's masterpieces or suggest anything else ! Ren is a prodigy ...a genius ...a one of his kind.

[@RenegadeRockChik]

This comment is not to censure you, as I agree with your premise of Ren's talents. They have every right to do as they please with their channel. HOWEVER, they are doing Ren, themselves and their audience a grave disservice by doing so.

[@vinnypaolini9116]

This comment smacks of idol worship. An artist makes a few songs and you praise him as if he’s divine?! They have every right to censor filthy language on their own page, if you don’t like it then move along.

[@southtexaslife3555]

Ren is the idol of home. I'm a 20 yr veteran of war and want nothing but peace. His speech at the end is part of what gets me through life. I've been suicidal, I am suicidal, although I'm seeking help. Someone who learns to dance in his/her own feet......if the light is bright, there is a deep darkness on the other side. Rest easy, be still, let God take your feet and let him help you complete that eternal dance. It is eternal, just because you have been to the hospital, just because you have been to counseling......that doesn't mean REN doesn't still exist. REN will always exist in those of us that are tormented by him.

[@FastNCurious88]

This is my comment to them: This reaction proves that true understanding and authenticity can only exist in those who have suffered the most. Your perspective and your words are so immensely hollow when standing up against the depth that is this masterpiece. How disappointing and sad. Clearly you have just never been through even a small segment of true pain like those of us who connect to, and are inspired by this.

[@yonahgrossman7319]

I'm the hardest of hard core atheists, and the world I live in isn't busted, broken or disgusting. My world is a beautiful gift. I feel sorry for you, but you have my best wishes.

[@jonathongeorge3093]

Cool story... "mY wOrLd AnD eVeRyBoDy In It Is PeRfEcT aNd BeAuTiFuL!! i FeEl SoRrY fOr YoU." 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@Hoop_23]

Athiests are the same as any other religious believer. You think YOU know how the universe works but the truth is none of us do. I don't think any religion is correct and evolution is far more likely than any religion however I think there is equal possibility that we are in a simulation of some sort. We don't know and will never know until maybe after we die.

[@yonahgrossman7319]

WWJM. (What would Jesus Message?)@@jonathongeorge3093

[@KoRnyRocks]

@@jonathongeorge3093awww did someone hurt your beliefs? Where is your god exactly? Oh nowhere

[@bookerwills8649]

@@KoRnyRocks oh he's out there... killing everyone... wait, that's not right is it? These people are just grifters, hence why they showed thos it was to make money off of rens music while trying to push through their crappy beliefs

[@anjeroxjp]

Lacking hope, are you trolling? The guy is a personification of willpower and hope! Please dont put a link in your video telling people to contact you for help if they are struggling when your response shows that you obviously haven't got a clue what people in similar situations feel or need. Ren has helped thousands of people with his music. I highly suggest people discover more about Ren as a person and his music , The last thing struggling people need is narrow-minded people like you.

[@FastNCurious88]

This is my comment to them: This reaction proves that true understanding and authenticity can only exist in those who have suffered the most. Your perspective and your words are so immensely hollow when standing up against the depth that is this masterpiece. How disappointing and sad. Clearly you have just never been through even a small segment of true pain like those of us who connect to, and are inspired by this.

[@BrodeyDoverosx]

Split personality? You missed that concept completely. He’s having an inner dialogue with his shadow, it’s jungian and Nietzsche.

[@BrodeyDoverosx]

I went 10 years without diagnosis and had to teach myself medicine ; anatomy, pain science, physio therapy, mri reading, etc etc. This is the first person that actually understands what I went through. Additionally, you are out of your depth on the musical side, this is a gnarly musical experience and you better buckle up and get ready to pause as you process what is happening musically (let alone lyrically and psychologically).

[@suzieque9934]

Rens gift as a raw talented artist is helping people from all walks of life.... he's a true gift

[@petethescalemodeller6130]

THIS SONG SAVED MY LIFE .. kids should hear this end of story..

[@deportedsouls3165]

If you've watched the video he recorded back when he still was so sick he almost couldn't eat, and actually thinking he may die from the illness, still being incorrectly diagnosed, you would understand that he been through what many never experience in a lifetime. And HOPE is personified by him when he stands upp in this video, that part is filled with emotions. So no it's not sad that so many people are being touched by this song, it's wonderful!

[@timbeatty8411]

I think kids should be made to watch this video. I'm a Christian and most of my brothers never cease to amaze me with what they think is righteous.

[@DougBrown-h1n]

No, you've got it wrong. I can personal attest to the hope I've found in this song. As someone who's struggled for decades with depression, born partly of guilt, this song has helped me to become less judgmental of my mistakes. The hope Ren offers is in his acknowledgement that we are imperfect, and consequently CANNOT live up to the standards set by your god. He's saying accept that we are fallible human beings who have darkness and light within us - to stop beating ourselves up about our failures and imperfections - relieve ourselves of the constant burden of guilt implicit in religious concepts of "sin", or that we are "born in sin". His message was in the line, "I learned to relax, soften, and that dance got easier". Think on it. Best wishes to you both.

[@Ssuave128]

Can you still dislike a video? I mean they missed the whole point. REN is a generational talent who’s decided his whole “crusade” is to make people feel like they’re not alone and spread love and positivity.

[@skater61991]

Listen to heretic, where he really struggles through some of his internal battles. Also, “suicide” and “For Joe” deal with him loosing his best friend.

[@jonniiinferno9098]

i am 64 - a Christian - and the last part of Ren's song when he stands up from the wheel chair - never fails to move me to tears - He is speaking the truth we all learn from the Bible - we are all made by His Hand and are a part of His plan... you cannot come to the Lord till you have been broken and have come to an end of yourself and are willing to put aside your vanities - put your trust in the lord and your problems on the altar and give your life to Christ Ren's battle with his "subconscious" is more a battle against the carnal mind - our carnal nature satan the liar tells us we are not good enough and never will be and satan condemns us when we fall - but God - says that we are loved, that we are overcomers - and that he will never leave nor forsake us when we fall - we get up - brush the dirt off our knees - and continue our walk with the Lord God's knows we are not perfect, that is why we have Jesus, who paid the price for our sin Jesus has always be part of plan A - there is no Plan B We are washed in the Blood of the Lamb - forgiven - our sin forgotten - and everyday we wake up - we continue the battle against our carnal nature - but we have learned and we now know that God's mercies are new everyday. and as the Spirit of Christ grows within us - that battle becomes easier - Ren - is not "without Hope" - listen again to his lyrics at the end when he stands up - "i go by many names also some people know me as Hope - (that would be the Spirit of Christ within him) But just as sure as the tide starts turning Just as sure as the night has dawn Just as sure as rainfall soon runs dry When you stand in an eye of the storm I was made to be tested and twisted I was made to be broken and beat I was made by His hand, it's all part of His plan - ( God's Hand - God's Plan ) That I stand on my own two feet And you know me, my will is eternal - (God's will) And you know me, you've met me before Face to Face with a beast, I will rise from the east And I'll settle on the ocean floor And I go by many names also Some people know me as "Hope" - (Spirit of Christ in us) Some people know me as the voice that you hear - (the still quiet voice) When you loosen the noose on the rope And you know how I know how I know that I'll prosper? 'Cause I stand here beside you today I have stood in the flames that cremated my brain And I didn't once flinch or shake

[@rhondaraines3155]

This is prob one of the best reviews on anything I’ve read in a long time. REN absolutely not only shows the spiritual warfare going on in the world today, but at the end he defeats the enemy inside him with the truth and the knowledge of God and Christ. And that was a profound ending if I do say so myself !!

[@jonniiinferno9098]

@@rhondaraines3155 - Thanks Rhonda

[@FastNCurious88]

Exactly! This is my comment to them: This reaction proves that true understanding and authenticity can only exist in those who have suffered the most. Your perspective and your words are so immensely hollow when standing up against the depth that is this masterpiece. How disappointing and sad. Clearly you have just never been through even a small segment of true pain like those of us who connect to, and are inspired by this.

[@daveshirley6739]

People who practice blind faith frequently don't see reality.

[@KipDrordy666]

WOW, can’t even finish your reaction , so blinded by faith to see a man who has struggled tremendously through out his life but brings the very serious issue of mental health in todays world which has helped millions of people, I didn’t think I could be more disgusted with religion but thanks to you two for taking that disgust to a higher level… WOW

[@FastNCurious88]

I have a personal relationship with God and I agree. This is my comment to them: This reaction proves that true understanding and authenticity can only exist in those who have suffered the most. Your perspective and your words are so immensely hollow when standing up against the depth that is this masterpiece. How disappointing and sad. Clearly you have just never been through even a small segment of true pain like those of us who connect to, and are inspired by this.

[@blackcountrybloke6788]

Quote "we don't recommend you chase down the rabbit trail of his songs" your words. Quick to use his video to get views then tell people not to listen to his songs not a great start, wouldn't hurt to tell people to check Ren out and subscribe to his channel as your probably getting money off these reactions but no, all taking not spreading the love.

[@bookerwills8649]

It's called grifting

[@bkcin86]

It’s a wild and bizarre take

[@darcieturner5423]

His song Patience, he was very young when it was created. One of the most inspiring songs ive ever heard, its simply beautiful and with over a hundred songs in my ren playlist it is still my favorite xo

[@HeckinMoonMoon]

I'm genuinely upset I can't take my view back after clicking on this video. You guys are so INCREDIBLY dense. How did you miss the entire point? HOW are you ok with putting this on your channel and then misleading your viewers by saying they shouldn't watch his content?

[@danmuseo2802]

Telling people not to listen to his other works is almost as ridiculous as you saying REN isn’t positive. Did you even listen to the lyrics?

[@droidattack2888]

I am a believer and a huge ren fan. Even his songs that have questionable to christian lyrics are just a reflection of what a dark time he went through health wise for most his life which made him understandably angry and made him doubt everything.

[@ryanshort5669]

My 2 year old autistic son loves this video. This video gives me chills everytime I watch it. This video is hope.

[@skater61991]

I suggested this a while ago, but I’m glad you’re getting into his catalog! He has quite a bit that is too explicit. But he also has a ton that is powerful and really worth the conversation

[@fredjuhlin]

Why did you cut out the last part? That is the most powerful message ever. And you decided to cut it out. Why? Could it be that it does not serve your purpose?

[@foxinasweater2300]

I never trust a Hi Ren reactor that cuts off his ending dialog. If you agree or not you're using his art to your benefit(reactor channels) the least you can do is let him say his message in his words.

[@RaeBrown-ck3du]

Yes. It doesn't serve their purpose. Period. There's more people at the end they cut off

[@RaeBrown-ck3du]

Wrong????? Are u nuts. Finish listening

[@RaeBrown-ck3du]

I'm curious to know if the grey haired guy was able to really hear the end...

[@FastNCurious88]

💯💯💯💯

[@Bucketheadgoat]

I would highly suggest you look into more of his work: Genesis, Seven Sins, Wicked Ways, Power. The message this man brings to so many is amazing. This hits home for everyone on some level. Subbed for more Ren reactions

[@bookerwills8649]

No they don't deserve to see any of rens stuff

[@shellymiller1248]

@@bookerwills8649I almost upvoted your answer but I think Ren would disagree(I however am def not subbing). I think all people should hear Ren.

[@PlymouthLad76]

You've totally misunderstood this piece of music.

[@Tulu_Cthulhu]

As hard-core Christians would.

[@MrLove11590]

You just don't agree with his point of view. Let people believe what they want.

[@INneRDa3mOn]

Fully agree, friend. M.F.McCorriston U.K. 🍀🙏🍀

[@mryannickgilbert]

@@MrLove11590 sometimes a point of view is just wrong. dont tolerate intolerance under the guise of morality.

[@MrLove11590]

@@mryannickgilbert As you ironically sound intolerant.

[@music2seeconcertphotograph457]

As I am suffering myself from double depression, depersonalization, anxiety disorder and a chronical pain disorder (e.g. 20+ days with headaches / month) for decades by now I feel so connected to Ren and this masterful piece of art he created and gave us. Also my "creative I" can understand his struggles so well. I wish I could hear the hope side stronger or at all. But Ren gives hope to hear hope some day. He is inspiring for so many people across the globe, across cultures and across religions.

[@christianking1426]

Ren is realistic. “Pastor” you’re being a narcissist. Can see it in your eyes…we all go through this struggle. Ren is a better mentor my man. Humility goes a long way.

[@FastNCurious88]

This is my comment to them: This reaction proves that true understanding and authenticity can only exist in those who have suffered the most. Your perspective and your words are so immensely hollow when standing up against the depth that is this masterpiece. How disappointing and sad. Clearly you have just never been through even a small segment of true pain like those of us who connect to, and are inspired by this.

[@DistrictWitch]

This is direct proof of why religion and art simply don't co-exist in any real way. Showing two 'religious people' a deeply religious song that is also high-art in the most meaningful sense, and yet while being religious, the piece also isn't given to any specific belief system (despite using certain terminology that may hint at such), and they can't even parse it properly, can't even begin to understand the depth of it. It's a very clear and obvious indictment of the mental imprisonment idealistic/theology-driven thought inflicts on people, especially creatively.

[@rcmysm9123]

Without religion 99.9% of art wouldn't exist.

[@GodisgoodATT16]

I'm a little confused because they both agreed with Ren at the end and said he was courageous for his work... am I one of the only ones that watched the entire video?

[@DistrictWitch]

@@GodisgoodATT16 I did watch the entire video, my point was simply that as Christians, they saw it *entirely* from a Christian perspective, neglecting to understand that he is making a point about human beings using religious thematics etc. And yet a lot of people, like these guys, seem to think it's just proof that he is 'on the right path' to finding 'JAYSUS!' etc etc. I'd argue they didn't especially 'agree' with Ren as they saw it as a Christian message, when it wasn't intended to be a Christian message but simply a broad spiritual message. Do you see what I mean?

[@MrLove11590]

​@DistrictWitch and you're seeing their Christian perspective entirely from your own personal perspective.

[@DistrictWitch]

@@MrLove11590 yeah I mean fair play one can't exactly escape their own personal perspective, but they can at the least try to not have it ruined by religion

[@ZaneVermaak-o1y]

Ren is a hero he gave millions of people hope I'm a Christian and I believe in God ren beliefs too if it wasn't for his music I wouldn't be here today his music helps people ots beautiful and it touches your heart when you actually listen to it this world is fuck up but there are people like ren that proves there is still hope....THANK YOU REN!@@

[@McLandogarner]

I AM a christian. And i do love Ren and mostly all of his music. He is so positive, so full of hope, so full of fun and so full of pure love for life in its whole. I bet Jesus would have bought his LP.

[@hansmolders1066]

Wow, the things you try to protect us from, we do every day! And thanks, but no thanks, we do quite alright

[@billjohnston6959]

There is no god, there is no devil, the good and evil are all inside you. And religion is just there to exploit those who don't believe that. Be good

[@Evansforrest]

The difference between Ren and the commentators her is: Ren is real.

[@TheRealShedLife]

I grew up in a Christian Pentecostal church in California, literally lived there, in the back of the church, I remember every now and then my dad, the pastor, would feature various performers, and some of them were like Ren, and some of them played rock and roll, and sometimes people played jazz. My dad was like, "Let them play, let them share something with us." My dad the pastor (a musician himself) knew that music is healing. So I was 10 or 12 or 7 or 14 and I would hear these people performing, and it was so better (sorry Dad) than my dad's sermons, which were great, all about Jesus and being nice and stuff. But the music would always get us, and dad let that flow. We all are connected.

[@robinlgood]

Ren does say that God left the music to speak to us... I really see that in my life. Music has saved my life many times, Christian or not. This bar: "And when I am gone, I will rise, in the music that I left behind Ferocious persistent, immortal like you, we're a coin with two different sides"

[@Hadleyurfavvvv]

"I go by many names also, some people know me as HOPE. Some people know me as the voice you hear when you loosen the noose on the rope" To me, as a Pastor, that is Jesus Christ! Some may not answer the question the same way Peter did..."who do YOU say I am?" But many will hear that voice because regardless of our relationship with Jesus, he still loves us enough to cry out because he has been there; He has felt the agony of being tortured with doubt, anxiety, fear.

[@direnova6284]

Like God in Eden, promoting ignorance. The definition of Faith, accept the word without any evidence or personal experience, just believe the man in the dress.

[@silversurfer8278]

This was very interesting reaction, and a more open-minded and measured response than I have seen from some persons of firm belief. I congratulate you both for that. Please, however, do not assume that absence of belief in a God or Jesus (or other faith) immediately means that a person without such beliefs is without hope. For many, that is completely untrue. Instead of your final motto, "Keep your nose in the Book" - by which you mean your English translation of the Bible - I would prefer to say "Keep your nose in the books" - investigate all sources of learning. Deep truth and insight does not reside within any single book. That aside, I suspect that there are many times when our views align. Keep safe - and please listen to more Ren. He is an inspirational artist.

[@slcncr]

Well said, Thank You.

[@Schiwy123]

Why would you censor someone elses art? If you want to react to it - do it as a whole and let people know in advance so they can deside on their own wether they want to hear it or not.

[@BrittyBrie1124]

As a Christian and a psychiatric nurse practitioner...Ren is extremely relatable despite the diagnosis. Without therapy and medications i would be stuck in a very dark place. Ren and his pain and how he processes that pain out loud is extremely therapeutic. I would encourage you to learn his back story and how he has risen above.

[@RaisingKittens]

It's his journey. It's his story. We learn and relate to portions of peoples journey. His story is valuable, real, raw and worthy of hearing.

[@FrankSmith]

Censoring music takes out the impact the song can have. This song is extremely important, it has nothing to do with telling people to consider doing harm to themselves or anything along those lines. Just because a topic is covered in a song doesn't mean that is the intent of the song. This song and a lot of Ren's music is absolutely amazing. They tug at your heart strings and make you realize things that are typically lost in this noisy world we live in. This song is expressing in extremes what most people are dealing with despite Christians or any other religious group condeming people who struggle with mental health issues - just let god (whatever that is depending on the religion) into your life and it all gets better; sure wish this was the case. I enjoy your videos, and I have watched for a long time - I plan to continue to do so. But, you saying anyone who watches this should not look further into an artist while condeming him just because you refuse to be open minded and look from other perspectives than your own is down right unfortunate. This is the biggest problem I have with any EXTREME religion honestly. People can't seem to separate their EXTREME religious views from art or anything really. I do understand the business behind it and since this is posted on a church podcast channel you don't want to have that type of content on your page which I get but why cover it at all? Your input is not needed on something if you won't show the entire thing due to whatever moral obligiations you may have set for yourself or that "god" set for you. This was disheartening to say the least. I genuinely enjoy your input on topics and this is from someone who doesn't align with any particular faith. I do not agree with censoring anyone for any reason, so I suggest if you can't cover content without censoring it then just move on to the next idea guys. Content is supposed to provide some form of entertainment, or some form of educational content. All I learned from this is that you're not as open and understanding as I once thought.

[@rcmysm9123]

Ren is very confused about God and religion but hey he's a good guitar player and singer/rapper. Let's not confuse things.

[@SergioOlivieri89]

I couldn't have said it better

[@SergioOlivieri89]

​@@rcmysm9123Ren is not confused about God and religion

[@rcmysm9123]

@@SergioOlivieri89 You obviously don't listen to him.

[@SergioOlivieri89]

@@rcmysm9123 no, you're right, i'm only obsessed with him

[@mrmans484]

my God these two are the ones who are hopeless. the exact kind of people Jesus was talking about when he said, depart from me, i never knew you.

[@FastNCurious88]

Exactly This is my comment to them: This reaction proves that true understanding and authenticity can only exist in those who have suffered the most. Your perspective and your words are so immensely hollow when standing up against the depth that is this masterpiece. How disappointing and sad. Clearly you have just never been through even a small segment of true pain like those of us who connect to, and are inspired by this.

[@DougBrown-h1n]

I was going to suggest that these guys listen to it again with an open mind, for 9 minutes to put their religious preconceptions to one side, and objectively listen to and consider! what Ren's saying. But they seem not to bother to read (or at least respond to) our comments......

[@s10head74]

I am so thankful that God put this song on my radar almost a year ago now... I am a Christian.... have been since my youth, but I have experienced multiple seasons of backsliding since my teenage years (am 49 now). Around this time in 2023, this song was blowing up on the "reaction channel circuit". I saw this video, and I was immediately moved in multiple ways. Something about the way that he portrays this internal struggle would bring me to tears almost every time I watched it (and I watched ALOT of reactions)..... While I love Ren's artistry on this and many of his songs, I no longer listen to his music BECAUSE of the lack of hope that I ultimately discovered there. But while watching these numerous reactions, the comparison that many reactors made to this song was "Intro III" by NF. I had heard (and dismissed) NF many years ago although I can't remember why.... I guess I wasn't ready yet for that level of introspection. But God used this Ren song to point me to NF, and ultimately, I'm currently on a path where I'm getting healthier mentally, physically, and spiritually. I'm attending a church on a regular basis, I'm reading my Bible, I'm meeting with a Biblical counselor semi-regularly, and I'm still rockin' out to NF on the regular (sometimes I'm in a Mansion mood, and sometimes, I'm in more of a Hope mood, but at all times, I try to keep my focus on the One Who can point me out of those "Mansion" days. That's what landed me here too.... I often check out channels reacting to NF, and I love your guys' Christian perspective and message on these songs. I'm glad that you include song's like this one from Ren as well, because I was once one of the people binging all of the reactors to Ren's music, and if God could use a blunt instrument like this song to point me back to Him, then I'm sure He can do the same for others as well. IF you are interested in a Ren tune that is quite beautiful (not a rap BTW), and one that you wouldn't have to censor at all, I would recommend (purely from an artistic perspective) the live version of Ren w/ Chinchilla singing "Chalk Outlines".... it's about a person struggling with the mental issues revolving around taking anti-depressants.

[@lynnhollie]

Wild take on the overview. I don’t understand how you don’t see this as a hopeful song. The message IS hope.

[@thomasbrower693]

I deleted my previous, it was a little harsh and I don't want to come across like that. Mental illness healing starts somewhere, and Ren has helped a lot of people find their journey out of illness. Saying this as a Christian, that's the Bible extremely literal as it should be, I think it's not right to tell people to not go down the rabbit hole. To suggest doing it outside the audience of children, I understand. I would encourage you to journey down that rabbit hole that you may be afraid of. Some songs with no language in it would be chalk out lines, how to be me, crutch, these are just a few of some very deep emotional songs. I truly hope you choose to look for their into Ren and who he is as a person. He is agnostic , however, I hope you do not allow that to be the deciding factor to not look deeper into his story and music.

[@GodisgoodATT16]

I'm with this and I commend you for not being harsh, since they were kind in their reaction. It's that same old question "what is faith without doubt" and how do you get there without exploring each perspective until you know for sure

[@RitaSippo]

It makes me goosebumps.. something like this walked with me for some time.. official name is addiction... I call it devil.. bless to God and God bless all who are living in the dark searching the light 🙏❤ Everything is possible 🤗

[@docdurdin]

While I believe you both have good intentions, Ren just gave you one of the best sermons and psychological evaluations you will ever hear. It is based on his actual life experience as he was literally put through hell and back from the bite of a tick ( Lyme disease) that went misdiagnosed. It is a miracle that he is alive and sharing his talent and spirit with a sick world, desperately in need of hope. He did not believe that he would live long enough to share that talent and hope with the world until a few years ago. As you would say, God works in mysterious ways, I know God gave Ren the courage to fight for life and guided him to the healing he needed to survive. Seek and you will find, ask and the door will be opened.

[@williewaylond2080]

In the Torah, God says "There is two nations at war in your womb" speaking on the birth of Jacob and esav, many rabbis have left commentary, in a Midrashic reading of Gods word, this speaks of our Evil inclination and our Holy intuition. Inside all.of us. We see Jacob went thru many trials, but Gods blessing was with him. And it also says...God Has Hated esav, and loved Jacob.. Ren seems to be speaking on this point in Human life.

[@MoreKellBellPlease]

Love this. I would love to see your reaction to Ren's Eden. ❤

[@katrogers28]

I would suggest getting a little more familiar with Ren’s catalog and having some more context before jumping into Eden. But I would be very interested to hear their perspective!

[@GoodGirlGone]

@@katrogers28agreed

[@lisasage3164]

Judge much???????!!!!!!!! Ren is a voice of the oppressed. A voice of the sick. A voice of reason in a chaotic world- and a voice speaking truth. Everyone should watch this video.