“We Will FIX the Furry Fandom”

[@blueberrypitbull87]

We need to hold furries accountable who take part in false accusations. Even the anime fandom has a problem with these types.

[@1992TheDiamondWolf]

And Democrats who put Americans last and protect the LBGTQ+ Groomers Community. Joe Biden need to go Trump 2024 🇺🇸

[@antifurry-oc8ud]

This is honestly the most normal furry I've ever met in KZbin community because most of the thumbnails that every furry KZbinr use is just straight up disgusting but your thumbnails are normal

[@ivycomb]

I’ve been in the fandom for around 15 years. The fandom is already better now than it ever has been, but as things improve, the vocal minority groups get louder. I really admire all of the videos you put out and the care you have for seeing the fandom get better. Although things are good overall, the bad still needs to be acknowledged, exposed, and appropriately met with pushback or people will become apathetic to what’s right or wrong. There’s a lot of clique culture in the fandom’s creator circles that is holding back progress at times and I’m hoping the second half of this decade becomes a “furry content renaissance” of sorts!

[@SamWeltzin]

Been around for a tiny bit longer than that, and I feel basically the same way. These exposure videos are valuable as warning signs for individual people to steer clear of, and the clique nature is roughly as bad here as it is anywhere else, which isn't good. But overall, we've been making great progress and are a much more mature, positive force than we used to be. A lot of the furry hate used to be warranted 'cuz we were more socially inept, but the fandom's been forged in the fires of hate and come out much more capable and positive as a result.

[@dryfox11]

I spot a bee .w.

[@mellow4356]

Are we gonna ignore the fact that your most recent video has a character from a fetish game in the thumbnail?

[@stagdragon3978]

Yeah this fandom is in no way dying. I would like to say it's straight up erupting. Have you seen furry convention attendance lately??

[@Myder_Dragon]

I love this community but there is alot that needs to be changed. Keep up the work Seal

[@goldenwolf8081]

Yes this fandom I forever will love will all my heart and have for more than 5 years but a lot of things need to be fixed and no I’m not taking about banning every 12 year old furry hater on the internet cause that’s almost impossible

[@your_good_friend_doc]

"changed" hehe

[@Wroar2020s]

@@your_good_friend_doc No.. Not that one

[@your_good_friend_doc]

@@Wroar2020s yeah no

[@502patate]

the furry fandom is a completely decentralized entity. There's no way to make it change other than by slow cultural shifts over time

[@RakaTwo13]

Approximating a quote here: "Furries become so concerned with maintaining a good public image, they find themselves apologizing for or displaying shame at the wider community where it isn't necessary" This feels like a lifetime ago, but I vaguely remember some very old videos from early furry conventions where I think it was Uncle Kage talking about how furries were interacting with the media from a very defensive standpoint. Too eager to show its not all about fetishes and scandals, that they didn't house predators and animal abusers, and all that did was put it in the interviewers mind that those things are or were a rampant problem. Not to say these things don't exist in the fandom and that it doesn't have its problems. Just that constantly jumping to decry these problems can exacerbate that perception as much as the people who made the problem. I'm not sure if that's any comfort to know nothing has really changed from the humble roots in scifi conventions, or that the feeling of negative perception still exists now almost the same as it did back then. For me, I'm just glad that the moral center hasn't been lost. That animal abusers is, was, and another 20 years from now, will not be made normal or the behavior accepted. That we can continue to maintain and even grow the non sexual/fetish side of things. Given the trends of other online communities, avoiding that loss of the innocent content should be a good sign. Maybe I'm too old to give a shit anymore, but I've been a lot less skittish about showing ties to furry content. I'd rather show my own positive interactions with it than trip over myself trying to show the good of the group at large, or attack the negative parts. No one is the leader of anything. All you can do is make yourself the best example.

[@SamWeltzin]

Yeah, same. Ultimately the furry fandom is named that because we're fans of each other. Anthro characters in media are a gateway into the fandom, but ultimately the core is that we make our own identities, and we gush over those identities. I've yet to see a more positive and uplifting community of people.

[@TealTheCuteness]

​@@SamWeltzinThat's pretty much what I want to do, share my ideas and expressing myself. Even if it takes time to do so

[@SamWeltzin]

@@TealTheCuteness Exactly, yeah!

[@wufflespuffs3744]

I remember THIS specifically, especially towards murrsuits being fringe at the time. Over a decade ago everyone was so quick to be like "FURRY ISNT SEXUALLL AHHH" as there first go to line and all it did was instantly set the conversation of furries and NSFW. Its the same way with zoos and pdfs, if that's your go to line to tell anyone, that will be the topic that it becomes, rather than the cool parts of being a furry. I also feel that the idea of "fix" the fandom is encouraging people to attack and harass completely innocent furries simply because they aren't being as aggressive to fighting the "image" as they are, and that's honestly a bit disheartening to see. Focus the positives, set that as the conversation piece, and be the example just as you say. It works so much better and its way easier to do.

[@Jimperz]

You may not quite be a "furry veteran", whatever that actually is, but you speak with a level of insight and humility that many such veterans should envy.

[@fintherebel5000]

People tend to use the amount of years you have been apart of the fandom as a reason to invalidate any opinions you share on subjects especially serious subjects like issues the fandom has currently and has always had especially on furry twitter (don't actually go there it is a cesspit of drama/egotistical maniacs that think they are above everyone else)

[@zacsch5364]

a veterran knows an no one else needs to know one day you might be.. it's just knowing the silly stuff that some have gotten up to like how fa used to have communities voting for dragons being pred or others claiming this year dragons should be prey goofy stuff XD

[@endless_havoc123]

I really have to appreciate and respect this guy simply because he doesn't let his status in the fandom and he acknowledges his limits with his content

[@LagoVirt]

"we aren't going to change the world with gameplay commentaries." _watch me_ jk tho, i've been feeling trapped in that camp of being seen as some "fandom gatekeeping savior," and it helps to see someone else vocalize that

[@DergyQT]

Is that the bnuy

[@NegativeLegend]

I think all the videos "exposing" the bad eggs have gotten so big that it not only holds the community accountable to get rid of these bad eggs, but is also showing other people outside the community the worst side of the community. Which has been giving it a bad taste in most people's mouth, and there's a lot of people that are desperate to regain some semblance of normalcy to outsiders. When normalcy was never going to happen and there's not really anything to do other than be a proper community.

[@robloxcafe3922]

I don't like the furry fandom that much but I respect furries like you I even got furry friends you guys don't deserve to be going through all the hate just because of some bad people on the fandom who makes all of you look bad.

[@aidanjway8938]

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[@-NotSomeone-]

I would hug you rn :']

[@solarkurenai]

And that’s chill man, honestly, people who even draw furries sometimes don’t considered themselves as furries and I don’t see why, good on you man for respecting tho honestly

[@Irobert1115HD]

@@solarkurenai apparently there are folks with fursuits that dont consider themselves furrys. and no they do not work for disney.

[@XDLR]

@@Irobert1115HD So basically cosplayers

[@JacobTheCroc]

Over 10 years in the fandom for me and seeing people say some are the saviours and whatnot isn't somethin' new. Truth to be told, everyone's been looking out for a leader over the years and no one can truly have this title in this fandom ever since the original creator has been long gone. Extensive history aside, I can say that you've been doing a decent job takin' about stuff without having any strong opinions and allowing others to think of a situation, to very much think for themselves instead of blindly following someone's orders.

[@Shadow__Pilot]

As a furry, I’ve seen this happen countless times to several people. People giving them the obligation to try to be a savior of an entire fandom, it’s simply not possible. We appreciate you and you’re right this is your channel and you should be able to enjoy posting what you create a post with they want.

[@wufflespuffs3744]

As someone who has been in the fandom since before 2012 - you make such good points I've tried to express for so long. So many younger furs portray like the fandom is falling apart yet it's growing all the time. I feel so much more comfortable now as a furry than I did ten years ago. Media makes furries look bad, but not as bad as they used to. The more you try to make callouts or argue for the "image" of the fandom, sort of just creates it's own Streisand effect on it. Yes bad apples exist, and of course they should be called out, but hating other people for not being as active in fighting bad apples as them is so disheartening. And I'm starting to see it more and more and it just creates a strange negativity. The people who want to generalize furries will always do that, that's not our job to change it, it will on it's own as long as you focus yourself and the positives. The fandom is doing just fine, there are sooo many growing cons, sooo much artistic expression and talent from every aspects of media exploding from this group. We should focus those just as much. Just be you, be kind and happy, and everything just gets better from there.

[@codaman127]

Thank you for being a rational human being of a furry. Like any niche, the furry community has extremes and problems that get more exposure and noise than those who just happen to be having fun in the community. Yes, bringing light to these problems helps distinguish them as outliers, and that can do a lot to help "save" the ill perspective furries get from normies and the damage done by these people. However, as someone who's been here a while, ya'll who are hoping youtube channels like this are going to come around and make the fandom more socially acceptable need to just get a grip. Truth be told, being a furry has been an amazing measuring stick for the people I have in my own life, and sharing that as a passive niche with the people I already have a great amount of trust in just shows more for many of those people that someone they appreciate and respect may just enjoy being a furry, and that's really all it is. Expecting KZbinrs to give everyone therapy to make you feel less alienated is unfair and irrational, because if you feel ashamed of being a furry, you need to work on that shame of being comfortable with yourself in a professional matter much like many people who are considered extremes in the community are also often in need of professional help. You're not helping anything, nor is it helping to foot the responsibility on KZbinrs who are just documenting interesting events, for better or worse. I don't want to belittle people saying this either, I mean it, consider help for yourself, and set the best example for yourself. Furries are already well off in the world, and the stigmatizing from normal people are not going to change as long as someone doesn't want to understand.

[@Crisjola]

I’ve never understood the shame surrounding being a fur. Granted I don’t have a suit, have never attended a con (mostly due to pricing), but I draw my ‘sona, and participate in the art aspect of the fandom as an artist. (The irony is another fandom I’m in which happens to have an anthro character OC I can’t draw in that style so I’ve been wanting to commission art for that because I’m frustrated by lack of skill-though I’m working on my skill in that particular style while putting my own mark on it (slightly more realistic and less Toon). Because I’m a (semi) realistic fur, what I do have is a secondary fursona that is a white tiger because I found a realistic white tiger mask several years ago at Spirit Halloween with a movable jaw when I speak and etc. but I didn’t have the money to get realistic handpaws, or digitigrade foot paws, opting instead to get plastic bear claws, paint them and then use an old pair of chucks to make them look like the claws and implied hind paws were bursting out, despite the lack of the ankle being raised to give a true digitigrade look. As much as I hate to say it I leave the call outs/making the fandom/community aware of Zoos and other bad actors, to other furs. Why? Because I have another community I’m apart of that has a rather huge problem with Zoos, despite us shunning them the moment the news comes out. I agree, we can’t be running from pillar to post but we can make our own stances clear. And also (sadly) accept that the non-furs are going to have some preconceived notion regardless-and that is mostly due to that CSI episode, (which is so infamous you just have to google “That episode” and you automatically get the title, wiki, and etc for “Fur and Loathing” which is a… semi-terrible pun on “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas”). Making people aware that the horrible side of the fandom is much smaller than the rest of it, is the best we can do.

[@charles21137]

I you can’t handle the shame that comes with joining any community, then maybe you shouldn’t affiliate yourself with such a community.

[@Crisjola]

@@charles21137 I dunno. I can see how if someone, say, 16, really liked Anthros and the entire idea of being a Fur, but… had been mocked and told they weren’t just a deviant but also a Zoo. Not to mention, I know a lot of furs that have mentioned that it was _much_ safer to like the big Bara wolf, than unpack the _actual_ shame that comes from being gay (etc). I could see someone not wanting anything with getting through the shame/trauma until they can be sure in heterosexuality..

[@charles21137]

@@Crisjola the fact that someone hast to unpack shame/trauma to be in a community. I just wouldn’t deal with that drama, idk, doesn’t seem logical to go through shame, just to be part of a community that has a little to many degenerates in it. If you join a community that is about obsessing over anthro characters, and a concerning amount of those people are zoos,pedos,(not including fetishes, but those cane be a little messed up as well) then people have every right to assume your like that. A lot of children are stolen everyday, because parents don’t know such a large amount of the human population in general are child predators(relatively large, you know what I mean). If people decide they think the furry community is to risqué, then I respect that choice. But people are gonna haft to decide which is better.

[@Crisjola]

@@charles21137 it’s less about unpacking shame/trauma (from my understanding, I personally don’t have this issue in the Fur community due to being not a man/male) and more about finding a safe, and (at the time) socially acceptable way to express interest in the same s^x. I’m not talking about the modern Furry community, I’m talking about the Wild West of the internet, and the fact that if you were going through puberty in the 90s and 2000s and suddenly realized you were gay, it was _a lot_ safer to have a “cool anthro character” as a poster or something than getting posters of attractive men or women (depending on which way you were gay). As far as A) know, and B) have seen, ever since _I_ found the anthro/fur community back in the day, they were highly against Zoos, and did their best to get them out of the community. That “BD” is still around is generally accepted as infuriating to most furs. And as rational people, they were _also_ against pedos, and kicked them out if they got exposed. (And I’m not talking someone 17 turning 18 who is dating someone 16 turning 17.) Painting an entire community with the same brush is disingenuous at best and flat out lying at worst. Or if not lying, let’s level the playing field here: if enough Furs are absolutely horrible human beings, who deserved to be shamed with no nuance, collectively, every anime fan should be faced with the same thing. Even if they’re Gundam fans. And speaking of anime. I have not seen non-zoos look the other way when a _small_ population of the fandom goes “oh! But she’s really a 1,000 years old even though she looks 8!” Or “it’s fine that they’re biologically brother and sister because it’s the 6-10 year old girl going after her older brother.” Unless you’re counting anthro and sapient (meaning to have human intelligence within a story-or “story” in this case) yiff as being a Zoo… I don’t know what to tell you. I do know that Murr suits are super rare because a _regular_ suit is so expensive that using it irl for _that_ … aside from being gross, you’re basically burning money. And to add to the “humans are terrible” thing: trust me. I know. I’m one of those stats from childhood. And any sane person won’t start “respecting” the p3dos by calling them “MAPs” and, like the LGBT community back in the day, they also shunned and blocked anything coming out of “N. AMB.LA” (dots so YT doesn’t flag it). They’ve gotten their way now anyway because people are stupid and don’t do their research to the point that _John Hopkins University_ defends p3dos and thinks the word is “disrespectful.” There are a lot worse things out there than having be not straight be hidden as a child by a “fascination” with Anthropromorphic characters. Also: while I personally don’t like the Toon style and lean toward realistic, there is a massive difference between Toon fursonas or more realistic fursonas and what a part of the community calls “ferals.” Beside, is the DnD bard suddenly a Zoo because they/she/he (usually) wants to boink the dragon? I’d not think so. Partially because dragons are fictional, but if it was “just” a wild animal (there is some horrific How to Train Your Dragon art out there, _do not_ look it up) then I would say yes, that Bard is a Zoo.

[@shibafox]

Wait, 17? I would have guessed that you were in your 20s by your skills and the maturity displayed in this video! The zoophile thing is so true though, you can kick zoos out of the fandom but that's not going to stop them hurting animals. I think harm reduction is more important than 'image'. Exposing someone in the fandom is one thing, but if they've committed crimes your focus should be on contacting the fucking authorities!! Fewer zoophiles inheritantly means fewer zoos in the furry fandom- this goes for pedos too

[@radrodent]

For real I was so taken aback! I thought he was in his early 20’s!

[@SamWeltzin]

Thank you for this. A lot of people like to focus on the negatives of the furry fandom as vindication of the mainstream's portrayal of us, when in fact the mainstream is doing that on purpose, cherry-picking the worst of the community to push a narrative. Furry pushes the limits of our relatively conservative culture by being positive and not having shame in the things that are ultimately harmless, and there's a lot of people who've been conditioned not to like that simply by existing. We have passions, which is seen as "cringe" because of the South Park-esque view that being detached and sarcastic is "cool" and "mature." We're sex-positive (so long as it doesn't hurt anyone, and yes that includes those who can't properly consent), which is wildly out of line with mainstream culture's expectations despite being way healthier than this insane prudishness we all grew up with. We're one of the largest groups that is LGBT+ dominated, and you all know how well that goes over. So there's a lot that the mainstream hates about us that simply is not actually bad. If "cleaning" our image means falling in line with puritanical mentality, I'm glad we're dirty. The fact of the matter is that of all the groups of people I've been a part of in my life (gamers, teachers, postal employees, manual laborers, etc.), the furry fandom is the only place where I feel like the atmosphere is positive and uplifting. Everywhere else, it's expected that you throw away who you are in order to conform to the general vibe, whereas the furry fandom is a celebration of each other, and I wish the rest of the world conformed more to our standards than the other way around.

[@charles21137]

The only good thing the furry community has done is point out that they have a good chunk of people that aren’t so good.

[@SamWeltzin]

@@charles21137 Yeah, that's utter nonsense, but you aren't interested in knowing why so prolly no point in explaining.

[@charles21137]

@@SamWeltzin I’m genuinely curious, what have Furries provided for society? Please don’t tell me you don’t actually have a point to explain, and you were just making that up. Because that would be pretty sad.

[@SamWeltzin]

​@@charles21137 Furries raise tons of money for charities, and their cons bring a lot of money to local businesses. Talk to any business owner in Pittsburgh near the con center about what they think of furries, and you're gonna get a positive response. Often better than other groups who have cons there. A furry made a cooling unit the U.S. military now uses in hot conditions. A furry helped make the Covid vaccine. Furries are practically the driving force behind the working of the Internet, given how many of them are in IT. Those are things furries have done for the rest of the world. The community itself is a haven for rejects of society: LGBT+ people, those with autism, just the socially awkward people in general. We support each other and are fans of each others' creations. It's a real positive space a lot of the time. I'd link you some stuff, but KZbin doesn't like that, so you're gonna have to go on the leads I've given and look them up yourself. That said, I shouldn't really have to justify our existence by the great things they've contributed. As long as we're not causing actual problems, our existence is perfectly acceptable like any other group on the planet. Just helps that we do actually have a good number of positives as well. I sincerely hope you don't just dismiss this. I'd like to believe you were asking the question honestly, but I've been burned so many times I've developed a calloused reaction to questions like this.

[@47STREET474747]

@@charles21137furries walk all kinds of life, they are everywhere, IT, medical experts, military, commercial pilots, politics,… Hell a furry is responsible for creating one of the first vaccines for Covid-19. Furries in general also tend to contribute to charities a lot.

[@bellahexdanna3220]

I've been in the furry fandom since I was 12-13 and I'm now 24, there are a ton of excellent and beautiful things about the fandom but with that there are inevitably bad things about the fandoms I won't get into. I want the fandom to be the beautiful art related fandom it started out as, the freedom of expression is a big thing I love but it's hard to accept some people.

[@moonstonewind]

Greymuzzle here been in since 97. Have been involved with a few known eww issues and I want to say you are a great balanced person. You speak honesty and quite frankly I adore your content . The Fandom hell ANY Fandom has its bad apples. I'm glad you bring issues up, and give ppl context. I wish more could realize that a lot of the bad is covered not just for "justice" but also for the complex reasons of human psychology and more. Please keep up your work! It's enjoyable. And bonus lol on a fellow true crime fan to😅

[@silverflash2889]

Broo i love ur OC its adorable style is very Cute! Color pallete is very chill

[@cellybun]

youre only 17? damn. i just stumbled into your channel today and im super impressed with how well made your content is and the approach to presenting these cases. oh, and i wanna appal you to not break your head too much over savior comments. just keep being genuine and dont think too much about what others expect you to do or say. i rly dont think you need to go there to do your best. cheers

[@CaptArgo24]

Like everything in life, there is good and evil... Shine the light on and support what makes the fandom good. But also mention the bad so people can learn from it, but don't make it overpower and undermine the good the fandom does...

[@davidleon7918]

Ying and yang

[@charles21137]

@@davidleon7918what good has the fandom done? I’m genuinely curious.

[@dryfox11]

@@charles21137Welp, to both our help AND detriment, we’re one of the most open armed communities out there. I doubt there are many furry forums/sites/servers where you won’t be treated with respect and as yk, a human. That is, as long as you give respect in the first place (and aren’t raiding a server or spamming chat with slurs) you can really come talk to us about anything. Mental health help, needing friends, finding people who play the same games as you, there will always be a fluff willing to hear you out!

[@charles21137]

@@dryfox11 of course y’all are a open community? People who are openly into porn don’t judge others who join in on the action? You aren’t really gonna judge someone, or see them as weird if you yourself have a obsession over anthropomorphic characters. I honestly see y’all’s openness as a negative trait. It’s why there are so many in the community who openly indulge in weird ass fetishes.

[@c0rps3k1ttie]

Facts, i agree. I do appreciate your videos sharing about these people, helping me understand why do people can have a negative view on the fandom. And who to avoid in the fandom.

[@davidleon7918]

Its because of z**phile/ped*phile peoples that infiltrate into the fandom.

[@sparta311]

I wouldn't say your a "saviour", your more so a new reporter. you just happen to covers things like kiro the wolf and other Zoophiles. you do a good thing in that. and we as a community should strive for keeping people like that out of the fandom. we don't need someone "having there way" with a kid or a dog, a cat, or fish and saying "oh its ok cus I'm a furry"

[@KodaIRL]

Well said, it is a sad truth that the negative will always gain more attention than the positive. Whether it be because of rage bait, people liking to get the details on drama or just because its more interesting and alarming, it pulls people in and outshines the positive sometime. The best we can do is to just try and outshine it with the positive, to try and make the best with the hand we are dealt and to let the light shine bright to illuminate the darker corners of our fandom. And you are doing a great thing, it is often said that sunlight is a great disinfectant, so shedding light on a situation can often speed up resolution and remove uncertainty. We do need to make sure that we also shed light on the positives and not just focus on the negatives though. Thank you for this video.

[@C_Corpze]

The way I saw it first was actually sort of an story / documentation channel. Because plenty of people you talk about are people that already were exposed long ago but I generally just like seeing different takes and views on it. I liked your channel a lot because you can talk about problematic people and other topics without dehumanizing anyone or disrespecting other people for their different opinions and you keep my attention pretty well which can be a bit of a challenge at times, I have autism and am easily distracted.

[@CrashMcCloudX29]

I've been in this fandom for nearly 20 years and your comment on "God complexes" speaks volumes as to how many people in this fandom believe the world circles around them

[@Lylizabeth]

HOLY YOUR ONLY AT LIKE 5OK? Honestly and in all seriousness. This contents is actually good and your one of the best commentary KZbinrs out there

[@sorenlandfall9629]

The biggest issue I find is that people try to lump the fandom into one group rather than a series of sub groups. Fixing the fandom as a whole is, well, impossible since that would require these sub cultures to all agree on a similar ideology or sets of rules, negating the very idea of these sub cultures. This is not a defense for zoos and pedos. But we do need to start by not looking at the fandom as a singular group but as a series of groups with a similar trait of having an interest in anthropomorphic animals.

[@TrulyOutrageousDoll1986]

I can never wrap my mind around the idea of trying to keep furries in a "good light" other than for clout on the "young people's" social media (I'm 28, mind you). Nobody's ever going to fix any fandom, no matter what it is. If you (the individuals in question) want to clean it up so you don't have to be embarrassed to say you're a part of it, then that's a you problem, period. Some people are in it for different reasons. Some are a part of it because they genuinely like the aesthetic of the anthro nature, some are a part of it because they want to meet others that're into a similar hobby, and some are in it because they find characters sexy. The NSFW part of the fandom has been there since its inception and there's NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT! For those trying to say that there should be "after dark" hours aren't understanding the point. The point is to be yourself, and if being yourself is wearing a gimp suit, or a jockstrap, or the like, then go all out. The majority of people attending these are full grown adults anyway. //Rant over

[@cerm_cerm-2]

this is a really good message for people out there that dont exactly get a good first impression of the fandom, and good explanation of what your intentions of posting on the channel are, just sharing respect for the video thats all.

[@ThomastheDutchie]

I do like that you make videos to cover these people, you're not "exposing" them, but you're letting the info get around more

[@zeratir7873]

I love seeing people talking about fixing a fandom, and not make any realistic suggestions of how. You might avoid bad people in a fandom, if its a tiny fandom... So many fandoms that seem like they should be wholesome, have absolutely horrible sides to them. How do you fix it? Gatekeeping? How do you effectivly gatekeep a fandom? What if a lot of people in the fandom disagree on what should and should not be allowed? Are you going to split the fandom in some way? Is that possible? Can you push the restart button, furry 2.0? Like I'm also a gamer, and holy canoly, trying to fix that fandom would be like fighting a dark souls boss with your bare hands in your underwear, irl. Might as well play a game and pretend it isn't happening... You might be able to create a forum or group of said fandom and then gatekeep that. Thats not really a fix though.

[@Arrowkeys]

Honestly, what I've gathered from this video is that people don't know how to balance a topic and always go to the extreme ends. You generally making content and informing about people because you think it's interesting is good but sadly people go to the extreme and say "YOU'RE A SAVIOR". Furry haters look at one example and instead of looking more into stuff go to the extreme and make it "EVERYONE IS LIKE THAT" generalizing us. People really need to learn that the world isn't just 1 and 0 and that a reputation can't always be 100% as people are complex and different. Great vid btw :3

[@Ralathar44]

I'm almost 40 and I've been a furry for about 20 years. I've gone to meets, been to conventions, worked on conventions, and know about the behind the scenes of a couple conventions and once prominent furry podcasts. Gotta say, props to you, you're basically spot on. Furry was once a niche hobby so we banded together and, back in the "CSI Episode" days furries as a whole just kind of became more self aware of their public image and started putting a better paw forwards. Back then it was less "other furries or bad" and more "I need to be a better example myself and lead others through example". The shift that's happened is we've now got alot of common social undercurrents of "other people are bad, im am fine, we need to fix them or exclude them". Basically we went form personal responsibility and accountability + the feeling of having personal agency (the feeling you can make a change just by you being good) to the current status quo of outsourcing responsibility and accountability + folks feeling like they don't have personal agency because their reach is too small. (which conveniently removes all ideas of personal responsibility and makes it someone else's problem). I don't think this is furry fandom specific though, this is an overall change that has come about in the modern era and has been magnified massively by social media. (I dont think social media is a problem, but I dont think people have learned how to use it responsibly yet. Social media is just a hammer or scissors or etc, its a tool. Its the users that misuse the tool). So GJ on the video and do what your heart tells you to do. I feel like you're on the right track. Also, to be clear, social media is a massive megaphone. These people calling to "fix the fandom" as well as the bad elements are both super super tiny parts of the fandom. Social media just lets them appear bigger and more prominent than they are because they are louder and spend way more time trying to get your attention than the 95% of the fandom that's just having a good time being good to everyone or caught up in their own petty, but largely harmless, personal drama.

[@Kenziegames439]

for me when i watch your videos i come out with some negative thoughts of the fandom but the positive thoughts always overpower the negative ones and i will forever love the furry fandom :) love your vids

[@Captain_Echo]

i love your content so much, mainly because it's about interesting topics that i never really hear because of the fact that i generally stay away from community stuff. thank you for being yourself and expressing the way you think.

[@DumbFishes]

Before I thought you hated your own community because you only talk about the negitive parts, it's good to see this video from you

[@Entrominal]

Factually furries think different. In a group that thinks different or a group on the fringe of society it kind of goes hand and hand that the percentages of problematic people in said group is bound to be higher.

[@apprenticerocker9885]

I'm not sure it remains much to fix, when the main furry group of my nation published a guy in puppy mask in its own main Instagram page I understood that the fandom is beyond repair and was like that since the 90s. Some still tries to step up and fix one or another part but in reality there isn't much left to fix.

[@rowenhusky]

I joined the fandom in the early 2000's when there were maybe 3,000 furries in the entire world. Back then, the fandom was AWESOME! We had trouble makers sure and people did bad things sometimes (literally a handful of people at most), but we didn't blast everyone on the internet and let it detract from our experience of having fun in the fandom. Then... furry twitter and youtube came. It has ruined so much of the fandom. I always try to tell folks, the fandom doesn't need saving. If folks stop bringing up the worst parts of humanity, they will slide back into the dark recesses. Back in the early 2000's, we determined who we wanted to hang out with by word of mouth or actually meeting said person. Then we made our own personal decisions based on real life interactions. We didn't need this massive drama amplification that was twitter then, and we sure as hell don't need it now. The issue we have now is a small percentage of keyboard warriors who now have a soapbox. These people cause far more damage to the fandom than the folks they call out.

[@fintherebel5000]

I originally joined the fandom back in 2009 but i took quite a long break and eventually rejoined the fandom during the pandemic since there wasn't much else i could do but yeah the fandom is becoming more and more drama filled and toxic especially at convention spaces

[@docopoper]

I haven't been in the fandom quite that long, but you're so right. Almost every furry I've met in person has been lovely. And I have a lovely group of furry friends online in a private group chat. Those people are the actual fandom that matters.

[@Nitrolord]

At the same time, it's definitely important to call out bad people with large platforms so that folks don't see that platform and trust them because of it, and also to potentially strip them of that platform. It would be weird for channels like Clappy to make videos about random people that no one's ever heard of, but in situations involving public figures like Kero the Wolf and Hypnotist Sappho, we kind of have to speak out about them. Otherwise, they'll continue to use their influence to lure in more victims. What this fandom really needs is a mainstream understanding that it has its bad apples, just like every other fandom/community. But, because being a furry is seen as weird/cringe by some, those people are much less likely to accept that.

[@fintherebel5000]

@@Nitrolord I mean people called out mini ladd and got him barred from youtube but he basically got away with what he did and just went to another platform and streams and uploads there i forgot what the site was called but its like a mix between youtube and twitch

[@TheRogueSeer]

@@fintherebel5000 Doesn't the very fact that you can't remember where he is now mean he has significantly less influence lol

[@BrutalSalamander1]

People tend to single furries out and let the bad people that the algorithm throws in their face be their entire point of reference. It's easy to look like one of "the good ones" when among the bazillion "terrible people"-report videos that people consume and get fed from youtube, they suddenly end up getting an actually furry acting as a reporter. After all, the algorithm isn't gonna recommend positive wholesome furry content creators to them to show them any other perspective. They're likely gonna see more videos dunking on the fandom and its members in some way or another. So when you come up in their recommended, chances are you end up being their only counter example that shows them something else within the sea of "this furry bad" videos they get recommended. I also find it annoying how people tend to preach "fixing" the fandom when the problems tends to be internet problems which people don't seem to care all that much about unless they can give it a furry context or any other context to disassociate from it. Problem: Internet is not safe for minors and minors are not sufficiently protected or overseen by their parents. People on the internet: "Oh well, it's always been that way. That's on them. Can't do much about it. Sucks but that's how it is." Problem: Furry spaces are not safe for minors and minors are not sufficiently protected or overseen by their parents. People on the internet: "F**king furries at it again! Fix your sh**, you degenerates! Do something about it!"

[@spinestealer8129]

Hey dude I know this is off topic, but I love your fursona. The yellow, blue and white contrast very nicely :D

[@Flitzzzzy]

cant we just call it animal cosplaying that sounds way more nicer

[@maelstromeyre9062]

Your videos are so in depth about things happening in the fandom, or things that have happened in the past, and I really appreciate all of the work you put into them. Occasionally I'll see mention of some of the names you've discussed, and may be aware those individuals are "problematic" but not the extent. Thank you for everything you do. . .you're doing GREAT!

[@Huf2009]

Ah I see the strange ones are called zoo files… Ty sir I am armed with more info now

[@Randomrobot-fs4du]

you still warn others of the dangers, that helps just about as much as you can

[@Karasaywah]

I'm not a furry (I'm a monster fucker) but a few people very close to me are. I saught out videos to help educate myself because you're right, most publicity regarding furries is just awful stuff and people just talk alot of crap. I've also been a part of the anime community for the last 23 years and I can say we have just as many weirdos and degenerates and get just as much crap for it. But I find the way you approach the topics you're talking about to be interesting and informative.

[@mango_c00kie67]

idk if its just me but seeing ppl older than me be so new to the fandom feels weird bc ive been here for 7 years (i joined when i was rly young) even tho im not rly an important figure or smth

[@ArchaeanDragon]

There is nothing to "save" about any fandom. There will always be factions within any community, with varying levels of "purist" beliefs. They are welcome to congregate together in their own spaces, but when they "go out" into the greater group, a certain amount of tolerance will have to be employed to "get along" with the other factions. If that bothers some folks, the best advice is to stay in your safe spaces. About the only exception I can think of to this is factions whose presentation is intended to be overtly offensive to others, like Nazi furries. If you're going to hold and display antisocial beliefs, you probably should stay in your own safe spaces as well. The zoophilia issue is a lot more difficult to deal with, mainly because precious few members of the community are trained to address it. The best the average member of the community can be expected to do with respect to zoophiles is to just avoid them. No one is going to help them (or help them get real help) by attacking them. Encourage them to get real professional help, and move on without further interaction. That said, there seems to be, in recent times, a lot of mislabeling of feral furries (in general) as zoophiles, which is as unfortunate as it is wrong. I've said it before elsewhere, but with few exceptions, form doesn't matter. Consent matters.

[@mcknight-e5c]

anti furries all collectively share 2 braincells and both are fighting for 3rd place

[@who12315]

I don’t like fries mostly because of the drama that is in that group, but you also seem like a chill dude

[@PrimarchRegalious]

Intellectually Titanic Video.

[@Raverave29292]

We cant make things good without being separated, we need to unite!

[@aslightlyangryman1617]

As a former furry, good luck, though i doubt that will be enough so... GOOD SKILL!

[@deatheternal720]

....wat

[@joseordaz655]

Well i never thought about "Saviors" but i have always took pride in furries who do good to society because of how often people criticize us

[@katyivy9498]

Furries are people. People will be good and some will be bad...

[@rossjohnstone4689]

I do admit, I have occasionally said things like "furry savior" in the past, and I meant it with all due respect. I still find your videos interesting and entertaining, and I always look forward to them :3

[@felinusfeline5559]

The doomerist trend of "the fandom is dying" is honestly at this point so tiring. Because in my experience when you show them evidence why not they get angry and dismiss it. They want to believe the fandom is doomed. Why? Maybe because hoping for the best is scary and they don't want to be dissapointed. Maybe because they've been feed so much negativity by social media that they think everything is doomed. IDK

[@docopoper]

If you're thinking that your channel is giving your audience too much of a focus on negative instances in the furry fandom, then why not make a video about some of the good things the fandom does. I think you definitely have people in your audience that aren't actually aware of a lot of the good that goes on. Like, some of your videos get enough views that they definitely have a lot of non-furries viewing them. Or if that type of video is not your jam then continue on as you are. It's cool that you're making videos you enjoy. Also as a furry who's been in the fandom for over 10 years, my recommendation to people who think the fandom is full of toxic people is to focus on a smaller subset of the fandom and just make some friends. Nobody can stop somebody identifying as a furry, and there is no overarching body governing furry. The furry fandom is hugely diverse for both better and worse. But that means that looking at the toxic people and generalising your view on furry as a whole is a bit misguided. Just focus on the nice furries and help contribute to the love and acceptance and charity work. Nobody can tell those toxic people they aren't furries, so just leave them be off in their own corner with their toxic little friend group. Don't let them in to your own friend group, but beyond that don't worry so much about furry as a whole.

[@timstulz9754]

2019= hated furry's 2023= became one

[@concordemakesvideos1070]

dude uploaded this at 8am on a saturday. madlad kiwi seal

[@dustinkingsbury5554]

I love the blue hoodie edit!

[@TheLettuceApprentuce]

Not related but I love the big googly eyes of your fursona

[@UrosWolferr]

Fandom... I am still in. I joined in 2008, seriously stepped in at 2020, but now with really mixed emotions. In 2008 was fandom way cleaner and actually nice place. On one side I love art, love to be with good people, I met nice friends from all over the world and trying on my own art. Fandom still have some hope to stay alive. Abilty to express over art, creating your own fursonas (only imagination is limit) are nice. But on another side that accepting and all welcoming politics will bury it. Fandom needs cleanining. We all know who makes us all bad, we all know why. Hiding that or even protecting that made us all waste of society for most of the world.

[@anglespoggle]

Love the last 10 seconds of silence just to absorb everything he just said lol

[@DogBat]

I’ve been in the fandom about one or two years, and I just went to my first convention

[@nekowomancer]

You are such an example for other furries, and youtubers like you can change the fandom, show the true face of the furry fandom

[@LuxTheFolf]

Thank you for not just hating on pedos and zoos and saying they actually need help! Your the only furry that understands that!

[@Vexxitys]

Im also a furry for 3/4 years, yet still a young furry lmao, but i have bipolar anxiety, anger issues and sometimes they lead me to being angered to some people, i was told to stop being mad when i clearly speaked a full sentence when people had problems with me, and i actually do have furry friends and anti furry friends, anti furry friends are very hard to control them if you have some of them plus you have to change the subject for them to make them ignore about hating on furries. Furries on the other hand, Some has problems on being SFW/NSFW, i experienced pedophiles along the way but the fandom in my opinion is a 78.4% ok and on the other percent is, probably the others that are the other furries that are worsts in the fandom same for kids that would’ve hate you and tell you “because furries are, pedo, zoophile, cringe, bad, unfunny” that is what my anti furry friend told me, but hopefully you or the other furries would fix the fandom, i’d be happy for it to be changed for the better.

[@jacobplayz582]

I 100% respect and agree with the opinions made

[@mangofoxy]

Collab maybe? :3 always liked your content.

[@Paddoof]

For a seventeen-year-old, you are very reflective. I surely wasn't like that when I was that age.

[@Drexus.The.Mantled]

"Not indicative of the wider community" correct. To assume such would be a hasty generalization. Which, unfortunately is extremely common and creates a lot of abuse towards furries. The amount of times I get called a dog fucker or a pedophile (not sure why they think all furries are pedos, doesn't even correlate), and see this hasty generalization is awful to see and hurts. Even for someone who is apathetic as me (live and let live mates!), it hurts, and can be discouraging to other furs.

[@TheAgamemnon911]

You're so close to the conclusion... if only you realised that the content you choose to create has to lead by good example, not call more attention to the bad than is absolutely necessary. Positive reinforcement! Stating you don't want to be a savior will fall on deaf ears when documenting bad stuff is all you do, even if you try to do it with a professional distance. People will do the judging part anyway. Milking the drama for any reason is a huge part of the problem!

[@docopoper]

True to be honest. The overall narrative of this channel is "there's some very bad stuff going on, but there is still a lot of good in the fandom". Which, like, true. But there have been so many videos like that on this channel that many people in the audience have taken that to be the actual state of the furry fandom and the only lens to look at the fandom through. An equally valid lens is simply "Look at all the good furries do". A lens like that doesn't require a saviour and the audience will therefore stop thinking one needs to exist. But they are primed to look at the fandom through the lens that implies the fandom needs saving from all the bad that's going on. You're right about the importance of positive reinforcement. It's semi-related, but I think positive reinforcement is actually one of the nicest parts of the fandom overall. The really lovely spaces this fandom produces exist because we have a culture where people express who they are on the inside through a fursona and then other people tell the person with a fursona how much they like that self expression and how cute/cool their fursona is. It's people focusing on the good that makes furry a mentally healthy place to be.

[@anthrolitestudios]

There are still things to be done. You can’t really prevent a lot of what goes on. But how to deal with it afterwards is an issue the furry fandom has.

[@TheobaldLeonhart]

Make the Furry Fandom Great Again ... I'm sorry

[@rossjohnstone4689]

The thing is, that's not that far off from what people are saying

[@Local_user]

Don’t be sorry, just acknowledge and don’t belittle the problem! :)

[@Evilpeter1]

You can’t

[@SweetiieHeartZ]

mffga! :3

[@Jose04537]

Technically speaking, it has never been greater (bigger) than right now.

[@bigboiblumpkin9187]

I appreciate how mature and restrained this video is It’s entertainment and that’s ok :-))

[@cosmicfeather1999]

Im not a furry, but i have friends who are and i support them and I know that there are certain ones out there who are putting a bad rep on the Furry Fandom and that there are good ones(like you) and others.. as i said, im not a furry so i dont know many but I feel bad this Fandom is getting attacked like that. Just because a small amount of people in the fandom are.. what they are... does not mean it should be said for as the rest of the fandom... anyways, i support Furry's but again, i am not one, so please excuse me if my comment sounds off, it only sounds like that because i dont how to talk to this fandom, but i also wanted yall to know that i support yall.

[@zacsch5364]

i have known about the furry community since 2008. it's generally the same it was since 2016. there isn't much bad.. maybe i just haven't got trolls pretending to be furries or people just miss understanding how furries talk. besides there are alot other communities that have bad actors that know one talks about XD

[@voiceactstart3111]

I love your character, a very precious bean. Headpats/10

[@zaxitron2714]

You’re doing a great job so far keep going mate

[@Celice13]

good work clappedseal really love it keep it up!

[@doctor-av3621]

i went to my first furry convention last august, i've only been here since around 2021

[@СлышКупи-ы3е]

4:10 excuse me WHAT Do Not try to be Equal to Them

[@TylerMerritt12345]

Keep up the great work!!

[@e7yu]

Your presentation was well balanced and fact-driven. I found it intellectually stimulating and as a fan of the fandom enjoyable. 😸

[@josephsouther9874]

7:09 hey, that’s NCIS! My mom is rewatching that show again

[@jackalenterprisesofohio]

My mom is watching the Young and the Restless.

[@ShinawaDoesStuff]

We need more ppl in this world like Seal. And not ppl like Anti furries thinking what they do solves world peace by harassing and stereotyping.

[@MemeRaiders-ex6sy]

Thank you for having the eyes indirectly facing towards the person watching (its kinda creepy for animations to stare at you)

[@credible-getaway348]

I love this community but I'm sad that most of the people are creeps 😕

[@tamiasthechipmunk]

Just be a furry and have fun with it because action speaks louder than words alone.

[@peterparker6584]

I'm going to hell for this. Community 3 years. When I got into the community the internet didn't exist yet. The furry community was a spec on the global landscape. There was more people that were fans of Batman and if you don't know what I mean before the 1989 Batman movie came out Comic-Con was 100 people in a convention room at a hotel in the US. What's the comparison I'm trying to draw? I'm 45 I'll be 46 in a few weeks I was around age 12 when I get into the community so get out your calculator and do the math how long I've been around. When I got on the internet people were trying to wipe the furry community out and scrub them off the internet. We were a very small spec on the internet and today you'd be surprised how much of the internet is run by members of the ffurry community very literally. Where where are the guys keeping the lights on. We're the guys in the IT department those guys in the basement that haven't seen sunlight in years. What people need to remember is the community is like an onion there are an infinite number of different types of furry from the people that run around in the mascot suits to the people like myself who got into it from a deep connection with anthropomorphic artwork. I can remember when there was barely any anthropomorphic independent comics and the comics are what got me involved. Most of the stuff that I'm familiar with started in the 1970s near as I can find out that's where our community stemmed from was a few people that were fans of a particular type of comic / art form which developed into a community. I have no idea when the mascot suits started I know they're called for suits so don't bother correcting me. I personally don't get the whole dressing up in a suit thing which is why a lot of furrs don't even necessarily consider me being afurry but once again it's like an onion there's layers. There are so many Kinks out there and different furrs each have their own just like any other group of humans. To say that one particular fetish the other people view as bad is only associated with furrs would be ludicrous every time I turn around I learn about some other kink that I personally don't particularly like but a certain member of the community does.i as the old saying goes try to navigate and not be the one to go throwing stones. Different people like different stuff. I still remember guys like me being practically shunned by the community on different levels because we're into the artwork and we're not the ones that run around in suits. I've never been to a convention in my life. Only conventions we have around here are generally sci-fi conventions and comic conventions where the anthropomorphic Community is kind of those 12 guys in the corner kind of situation. I've been to a handful of conventions where you'll see three or four people in fursuits and you'll see 500 or more people wearing different superhero cross play. I still love having people ask me if I'm dressed like somebody from a comic book or from Star Wars and I have to explain to them this is the way I normally dress when I'm not wearing my work clothes it's not affiliated with a movie or a comic book it's just how I dress. People automatically assume how your address that a convention means your part of some subgroup whether you're a fan of this or a fan of that LOL I couldn't imagine going to a convention wearing a suit of the furry variety just completely outside my interest.but I've been here all these years nonetheless because it's the artwork that I like and I still remember Disney, Warner Brothers members of American Congress and the list goes on trying to have us swept under the rug and disappear from the internet from some point in the early 90s up until the mid2000s a lot of those individuals backed off at some point when they realized just how much of their profit base comes from the anthropomorphic Community.. Yes I can remember the community being called the anthropomorphic community and I don't know where the words furry started popping up. For the record I'm not the oracle I've just been exposed to a lot of stuff that there's almost nobody left my age! I'm beginning to feel like guys from my generation earn endangered species. You know how many content creators I've seen die since I was 30 that were the age 30 too 50 and I've watched them disappear one by one. You don't know how many younger people joke about guys like me being treadstone or fossils dinosaurs and so on because the majority of the community are between 18 and 25 and guys over 30 are considered dinosaurs especially if we've been in the community since we were kids lol. It doesn't matter what the Kink is if somebody's into it you're going to find a handful of them somewhere is in the furry community just like any other level of human society. There are people in the community that are racist there are people in the community who are into plush toys. There's people that are into balloons and pool toys and the list just goes on into Infinity Jesus there's people in the community who get warm and tingly about cars as another example and there's probably a few people in the community that get warm and tingly over a certain type of furniture or particular fabric of clothing the options are brutally endless. Different Strokes for a different folks and it doesn't matter if it's the furry community or the gay community you can't go generalizing one particular culture group as automatically having people that are a particular fetish. And that's what people need to realize.

[@EisakoTheAvali]

Like you I have only been in the fandom for a few years I would say like every fandom they have their own goods and beds of the communities that are associated with them, but the bad apples are not indicative of the entire lot despite me only being here for a while, I have met the nicest smartest people that I’d ever had the pleasure of meeting

[@izzick2517]

Hello, i have seen five seconds of this video and can tell you are one of the good ones

[@bruh9622]

Smart boy. I like you. Good job. Do good things like I know you will.

[@WolfDarkrose]

a vet in the furry accomunity would honest be soft level a grey muzzle. usualy depends on the area but some say 10 years others 15... as im 16 years deep im calling myself that now XD

[@AstroPkReal]

Amazing video, I’ve come to realize that we don’t need to prove ourselves as furries. I just wish more people would realize that

[@masterofmages729]

With how few furry channels (ive at least) seen i can see why people would come to yours to air their grievances and expect you to do something about it but ultimately that's not their choice to make, its your channel and content and its not like you have a obligation to change these people's minds, but regardless im enjoying the content a ton!

[@jnelson4765]

Coming from the Burning Man world, we have long experience with dipshits and generically awful people being taken as the average Burner by the default world. They exist, some get better, some get a law enforcement experience, but we refuse to let our community be defined by its worst elements. The furry fandom is one of the most wholesomely debauched places I have ever found - very adult themes interspersed with pure play and silliness, and maliciousness is extremely rare. I truly appreciate your documentation of these rare asshats - making sure that they can't slip back into anonymity is a community service, for real, and that you actually enjoy it puts you in rare company. The more people see how users and predators operate, the better armed they are to recognize and deal with them in their own life. Making predators' lives more difficult is goals...

[@PrimarchRegalious]

If I'm God I'm going to go back 4,000 out of the ~500,000 years ago that we've technically been here, right now, Now, and hiding another race of humans among everybody to screw with everybodies stereotypes. That would be immaculate. Aliens, just for the 🖕🏼. Great video. 🎉