The Controversy of Lucky Coyote & Don't Hug Cacti

[@l0vebvq368]

I’m not a furry. Closest I’ve gotten was when my boyfriend made me watch beastars. Yet I click on every single furry drama video I will ever come across. Nothing will ever fill the silence quite like commentary videos on furry incidents.

[@l0vebvq368]

Oh goddamnit it’s another zoo

[@KerReeeee]

I'm right there with you. I'm not a furry, but I just love hearing about all the drama in the community, for some weird reason.

[@lumikera]

SAMEE it started with the kero one or whatever 😂😂

[@Cappuccino_Rabbit]

Furry drama are leagues above other fandom dramas in entertainment and rabbit holes (pun not intended) Have you seen that one about a divorce between a totally not healthy couple (including two more degenerates in the story)? Wild stuff.

[@link12click]

@@Cappuccino_RabbitI just watched a video by Lagovirt (hopefully i’m getting the right person. the bunny guy) about that foxglove guy and peacewolf if you are talking about that.. was crazy

[@steelg2644]

We can't just have a normal popular furrsuit maker, can we?

[@KerReeeee]

I hate to tell yah, but "normal" people don't try to make their living off of degeneracy such as we see here... they just get regular, adult jobs.

[@moistmist4766]

@@KerReeeeepretty much lol

[@ANThony-zd5dz]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@KerReeeeeThe job is not the problem, as their are “normal” fursuit makers out there that do make a living. It’s just that with the furry community’s lake of rules, it draws in the not so great people such as Lucky Coyote.

[@emporertheplusle8329]

Have you heard of lemonbrat? They're really popular and other then a few quality things they're a really good suit maker I recommend

[@dannyrpgninetwooak6434]

I've always wanted to be a fursuit maker and popular; maybe I can be both whilst being a normal human being?

[@not-creative1383]

WHY'D SHE FUCKING CRUSH IT WITH HER HANDSS

[@lunammoon8503]

about the koolaid thing. So yes, that's a thing that people do. I've heard about it with hair. You could technically do it with a dog or cat, as long as you were SUPER careful they didn't drink any. A sip or two won't kill a cat, it might be more dangerous for dogs due to artificial flavors tho.

[@thespiandragon6902]

And I can’t vouch for anywhere else but using animal safe fur dyes isn’t unheard of here in the US. It’s not very common but every now and then you’ll see a dog with a colored heart or something in their fur. People are usually conscientious about using animal safe dye where I live in the US though.

[@must-love-cats]

Imagine talking about your virginity stories with friends and you hear one of them say they lost their virginity to the family dog. Disgusting. 🤢🤮

[@RoxasOnSummerVacation]

ALASTOR?!

[@KasperTheSkolf]

Words can't ever describe just how much it pisses me off that sick individuals like Lucky or Kero weasel their way into this fandom. A fandom that's supposed to be a safe space for furries to meet and have a good time while having similar interests with our fursonas. But they manage to weasel into it and not only bring unwanted drama, but also taint the reputation of this fandom for outsiders.

[@M3l_0N666]

So Naive arnt we. Nor can i say youll learn, because in many cases, many refuse to see the filth that creeps into the crevices of the thing they most hold dear.

[@KasperTheSkolf]

@@M3l_0N666 The hell are you talking about?

[@M3l_0N666]

@@KasperTheSkolf The true nature of things little one. Be mindful of the company you keep.

[@thyavenger9517]

@@M3l_0N666 …Still doesn’t answer their question. So like… Gonna fix that, or what?

[@M3l_0N666]

@@thyavenger9517 Pls, furries are a super woke bunch who fetishize their own sadness and dysfunction. Any distractions for them beyond their never ending persuit of seeking acceptance amidst other geeks in the popularity contest that is mostly the entire shtick of the fandom, would be futile.

[@SniffleChinchilla]

6:37 I'm a rabbit owner of a lionhead-lop mix male rabbit nerd here. 🐰 I feel deeply sadden hearing rabbit abuse and other animal abuse. Blonde Dutch rabbits are such beautiful breed of rabbit. Domesticated rabbits don't belong outside, it is a misconception because they cannot control their body temperature like wild rabbits and may overheat,... not to mention, wild animals (birds too) and predators can scare pet rabbits to death. They won't live long if people let them live outside because they could eat plants that are poison to them. Releasing pet rabbits purposely is considered animal abuse and they won't survive. Domesticated rabbit are great indoor pets but it's not for everyone. The rabbit breeding could have been prevented by getting them fixed, by neutered and spayed from rabbit hospital or special animal vet. Even if they are same-sex, it helps prevent cancer, prevent territorial fights/droppings and they will live longer with comfortable life. Breeding rabbits ain't any good for rabbits due to lots of ending up in shelters and animal sanctuary. Also there already life threatening virus called RHDV2 that could instantly kill both wild & domesticated rabbits once infected if they weren't all vaccined. Not to mention, keep rabbits in cage isn't really thing because they require exercise, attention and chewing toys around. The rabbit/bunny community have been outspoken about all of this. Rabbits are expensive pets, high maintenance, responsibility and require research before getting them. Either way, I'm glad it's no longer in hands of that furry creep. This literally proves not everyone should have pets, but every pets deserve a loving home.

[@RoxasOnSummerVacation]

"that furry creep"? You make it seem like all furries are like this when, in reality, barely even 1/10 of the fandom is like this.

[@SniffleChinchilla]

@@RoxasOnSummerVacation Never said ALL furries are like this. Did you even read my comment? I was calling Lucky Coyote & Don't Hug Cacti, they are furry creeps here. Either way, I should have not called them 'furry' I guess because furry fandom don't welcome zoophiles / animal abusers anyway, and it shouldn't be normalized in that community. Maybe I should call them mascot freaks/creeps, they are still creeps based on their action. Hope you aren't defending them. At some point, I am a furry but left. But seriously, I was talking about pets specifically rabbits only and how animal abuse isn't okay. Overbreeding animals isn't okay for any type of reasons either when these same animals (rabbits, dogs, and cats) in shelter still waiting for permanent forever loving home. But these type of people in video does this for their sick jokes or form sexual/romantic relationship with animals is way worse.

[@vaporwavecat]

I love these videos, your research shows and you obviously put lots of editting and work into every last one

[@_Em0jiPraza_]

Man, I’m a furry and I’m sad to see how bad some furries had become.

[@mattwolf7698]

There was always an ugly side to the community, social media just makes it easier to share now.

[@crkotina9757]

I had no idea about any of this damn- I just admired their suit work and it always confused me when the people in the fandom said not to support them but no one ever elaborated as to why. Honestly now that I look at it, I see why they wouldn't wanna talk about it

[@morgank520]

First of all, I want to say your content is amazing and it makes my day when I see you’ve uploaded a new video. Second of all, I will never defend DHC, this person’s actions are honestly horrible. I’m honestly just saddened every time I hear about this whole situation because DHC suits were some of the first I was introduced to and for the longest time I was planning on commissioning them for my first suit, then I heard about all of this and needless to say it won’t be happening. Then I remember that there are plenty of amazing fursuit makers out there who don’t do this kind of crap and I’m perfectly happy again. I hope she’s able to someday see just how wrong her actions are and try to make up for everything, though I’m also aware that’s likely just wishful thinking. Until then I’ll be looking to support reputable people in the fandom as much as possible.

[@AveryHyena]

The whole "the tattoo is where the dog's paws are supposed to go" seems like a stretch. If that's true, then shouldn't the paw print be the other way up? Doesn't make sense.

[@foxxyguy2681]

The things he has done with his birds are disgusting I own two Cockatiels and I love them to death I would never rehome my birds no matter what I also used to own rabbits and I know that if you wanna have two and only two rabbits you have to spade the male and if he did that this would have never happened I hope all of the animals are out of this guys abusive and neglectful hands.

[@maerhodes8552]

I on god can’t look away. It’s like morbid curiosity and disgust that makes me look and I can’t not. Like how do these people exist? How do they mentally work? What do we do with them? Is there a way to rehabilitate or is it like pedophiles and we just give up on them (which I’m fine with)? Edit: To be clear, I’m talking Zoos, I’ve lightly come to understand and “accept” furries (not my thing, don’t want it near me, but if it’s not actually harmful, have at it).

[@booprsnoot]

glad that you accept furries. of course, it's not for everyone, but we're doing our own thing. 👍👍 and yeah, this is an odd topic but I can't stop watching these lol

[@b1bsquid]

i think the worst part of all of this is the animal neglect. horrendous

[@just.a.M3M3R]

You reckon if he closes he's beans togetheron his hands they make a squeaking noise?

[@auvryelleauran7866]

Hay, I would just like to say that not all furries are like this. Please don't think we all do this revolting stuff.

[@caidwab]

Was watching a Zrcalo vid earlier thinking abt Lucky then this shows up on my reccommended

[@laurenroberts3821]

Just discovered furry drama, not a furry and I've been up all night watching these videos 🎉

[@IMAPOTATOZ]

I used to own a DHC suit and unfortunately after learning about this, i had to sell mine for half of what i bought it for, because of this incident. Its such a shame, because to this day, imo, they make the best looking heads.

[@AperfectUsername23]

21:32 Unless you bake two cakes

[@quantumpalmtree]

why is it always German Shepards??????? 😭

[@wxvywxvywxvy]

I swear its the default 💀💀💀

[@RoxasOnSummerVacation]

Right?! It reminds me of Sappho every time I hear it.

[@f0x-w4t]

As a furry I’m grossed out

[@maxlyly7757]

Wow frfr some weird people on this earth 😅

[@thecrimsonfuckeralucard9500]

What if the intent if it being inconsistent is that is was just a dirty pawprint and washes off making it even worse?

[@AveryHyena]

But how does that make sense - If that's true, the paw print wouldn't be the right way up for what you're implying.

[@thecrimsonfuckeralucard9500]

@@AveryHyena self report

[@AveryHyena]

@@thecrimsonfuckeralucard9500 How? You can literally try it with your wrists right now. It's impossible without breaking them to turn your wrists 180 degrees.

[@huntsman9316]

@@thecrimsonfuckeralucard9500no, they’re just explaining how your comment makes zero sense

[@namelessnavnls8060]

It's gross to me how she thinks that grooming is _only_ a romantic thing. Minors can be groomed by their friends too. Manipulation is what I would consider as a form of grooming that can vary in severity but is still deplorable. Grooming is not just a SA or romantically abusive thing. It's manipulation against a minor in any situation which it may occur. It is the act of "preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity". So even the excuse of "we were platonic!!" is flawed and floppily flimsy.

[@xobunnyfangsxo]

Adults can be groomed too! Though mostly seen with minors, it happens with adults too.

[@starchaser777]

ladies and gentlemen, and this is how i found out i had been groomed.

[@vultusalbus4216]

I don’t mind weird furries and the 3/4 of LGBTQs in the fandom, as long as they don’t touch me in a humiliating manner. Some fursuiters are known for their obsession with murrsuiting and fur piles in conventions

[@partyinthecloudkingdom]

this is exactly the same reason colleen ballinger thinks she did nothing wrong. both of them only see grooming as sexual

[@flarestorm9417]

Yeah. While grooming is usually for sexual purposes, it can be extended to other roles not explicitly sexual in nature. e.g., a kid can be groomed to be an activist for some cause by their parents. Also, you don't have to consciously be malicious to be harmful (criminal negligence is a crime for a reason). And on another note, even if someone wasn't explicitly groomed, you can stay claim abuse and manipulation either way. Being better than the next guy only counts for so much when it comes to sexual abuse.

[@hharpu]

the furry fandom just shows that even the most adorable suits can have the most disgusting makers

[@iampete3710]

True... Never trust anything you see... Even if it may look innocent and cute... It may hide dark stuff behind it

[@albinocatfish9132]

@@iampete3710most stuff in this topic does

[@Just_A_Guy_Here.]

Just like the quote "Don't judge a book by it's cover." You may not know what's in store within if you look at the basic surface.

[@Gayhorses]

The furry fandom shows that being accepting has its limits, and that you probably need put on a registry if you are one

[@NordicTobz]

Furries is the definition of "a wolf in sheep's clothing".

[@Ello_iz_me]

I was a bit skeptical about the paw tattoos symbolizing *THAT* because a lot of artists had a cutie mark as in reference to MLP, but when it was on both hips and more towards the no no spot,that's when the excuse stops.

[@TheJaguarthChannel]

This is the very first time I have even heard about such an accusation with paws, and I was going to have markings just like that on my OC. Now i am probably not going to put a paw on my OC because I know people will bully me for it

[@Ello_iz_me]

@@TheJaguarthChannel How bout on the thigh? Like MLP? these are on the hips, which is where a dog would mount,but the thighs are fine.Plus if you make them cartoony,it's less suggestive.

[@TheJaguarthChannel]

@@Ello_iz_me maybe a more cartoony style, but I really don't want it to look like it's related to MLP, it's just not my thing. Maybe on the back, but I'm really weary of having paw shape at all now. All it would take is a single misunderstanding and I could have a mob of people demanding I be banned from conventions or even lose friends. I have seen how drama snowballs in the fandom.

[@shibafox]

​@@TheJaguarthChannelreally, all it would take is just putting it on the body somewhere that isn't suggestive like a shoulder, back, face, etc.

[@Ello_iz_me]

​@@TheJaguarthChannel yeah your right.A lot of people won't listen to reason.I mean look at the animation meme community.If you put it on the head or paw it might work tho. I mean how tf is a paw marking gonna look like mounting if it's on a paw? Anyway if you don't want it add it,it's your decision.Im not gonna gatekeep your character.Im just hoping you can be happy with your character without people making drama about you.^_^

[@JuliaParrotlet]

7:21 as a bird owner this picture breaks my heart. That macaw clearly loves her owner, parrots don't get that close to someone they don't trust. She's being photographed for an ad, Lucky just wants to get rid of her, and she doesn't even know it :'(

[@d4z_l20svaQ12]

Do you want someone to keep a bird that who doesn't want to take care of it? What's worse..

[@SamRK-1000]

@@d4z_l20svaQ12the main issue with her having the bird-and by extension, all of her animals-is that she couldn’t be an adult and rise to the challenge of taking care of her animals properly. Yes, we all agree that it is MUCH better that the bird was rehomed and is hopefully with a loving owner, but it still sucks because Macaws, as the large birds they are, are extremely intelligent and are emotionally aware. When they get rehomed, lost, abused, adopted etc. it changes the norm of their life and it can be hard for them to adjust to their new environment and owner. It is LEAGUES better that the parrot was rehomed but the main criticism is against Lucky for being irresponsible and buying this bird without first thinking if she could properly care for this bird for LITERAL DECADES (Macaws have been recorded living 10-ish years in captivity). I myself have lived with animals in my parents home for as long as I remember, and I know that when I move out, I will never own animals because by living with poorly trained dogs my whole life has caused me to be tired of pets, and if I owned a pet, I know I wouldn’t like it. Lucky just couldn’t comprehend that she is bad at caring for animals properly, and put them all through the trauma of her abuse, neglect, and rehoming.

[@FinkDaMushyCat]

You can still groom friends.... LIKE WHAT DOES SHE NOT UNDERSTAND?

[@skystoyhunts7225]

She's delusional

[@someguy1894]

as a furry i hate being in here sometimes due to how many things get away so easily on rare ocassions, and how so many crime happens in here

[@aidonger42069]

it must suck to be associated with degenerates, thats if you aren't one yourself of course.

[@jfishyreal]

"as a furry" is where you lost me

[@vultusalbus4216]

You can leave the fandom anytime you want. The furry fandom is not MI6 so go ahead

[@someguy1894]

@@vultusalbus4216 what does bro mean💀💀💀

[@enfieldlammergeier]

@@vultusalbus4216 Leave the fandom and leave all of your hobbies behind? Even if you don’t label yourself as a furry, if you continue drawing artwork with anthropomorphic animals or create fursuits, it’s going to draw more furries to your inner circle and will make people label you as a furry. Leaving a fandom is not that easy

[@prongle-dongle-dee-do]

i am not a furry, but i can appreciate the art and creativity that goes into the fandom. i feel bad for the normal furries who just want to get on with their lives and have to be accosted with absolute cretins bringing the community down.

[@Hel15]

Yeah it's quite sad that zoos are usually Furries (even if not accepted by the community) and they drag the reputation down a lot because you usually hear about the bad sides of the community. Like the art is great, most memes are quite funny and people like to interact with each other. It is a nice place if you spend time on the good side of the community that is way bigger then all the bad news make it seem.

[@ZeRallyCatto]

@@Hel15 Yep, the thing is, even though those people are exiled, they still have a furry pfp so non-furs continue to think they are accepted furries. Thats why I hate seeing people say "yall need to do something about your community" because its not that simple. Even when people are exiled, we cant delete someones entire internet presence... its not that hard of a concept to understand but time and time again people oversimplify everything.

[@laktozmatroz]

I've been a furry for like 7 or 8 years now, I love being in the fandom, but the people - not so much. I love making the art and making fursuits and such, but.. I hate hearing all this bullshit drama. Yes, many furries are fucking strange. But many aren't. Due to all this bullshit people do, it makes me feel ashamed to be in the community which brings me so much happiness. The fandom has opened many possibilities for me and still brings me a LOT of joy. But this stuff seems to get worse, so, I'm not sure where to go. The fandom is not the fucking place for dogf*ckers and gr00mers. Jesus..

[@ohnothepossum]

I'm completely on your side with this. Have been in the fandom for ten years and agree with basically everything you say but i don't specifically think it's getting worse. The fandom has been full of weird people since it's beginnings, i just think people now care more about bringing the actually depraved ones into the light and acting against them to remove them from the fandom. Which is great. It just also means hearing more about these incidents which in the past might have stayed more in the shadows of their own circles. But we have to talk about them to have the possibility to act.

[@laktozmatroz]

​@@ohnothepossum you're right! I really hope we can somehow fight against this issue tho :( Not everyone cares as much about boycotting a specific creator when shit goes down

[@Astronomicat117]

These are my exact feelings as well. It’s awful. It’s unfortunate the disgusting few are so vocal…

[@RitardandoTheMailman]

fr

[@Vizedar]

Just like Mha

[@hazelgrunts]

I wish that people who experience attraction to minors/animals would get help instead of carrying out their desires. I know that there is huge social stigma around admitting to your paraphilias but it’s your personal responsibility as a human to seek help if it protects people/animals from harm. There are free therapy services out there for you to use

[@ZentaBon]

I completely agree. I argue even if someone has acted on it, they should still seek help. They may not be able to undo what they've done, but it's never too late to try and rehabilitate. It's better to stop doing harm than to keep doing evil acts. There is always a better way.

[@Sprigatito1234]

I totally agree! It’s hard to find people who think like this, but here’s what I think. I think zoos and pedos don’t choose what they’re attracted to, but should still try to get help because animals and kids can’t consent. It’s not like they chose that, but it’s still a very bad thing to do

[@nathangamble125]

Fiction is not harmful.

[@nathangamble125]

@@Sprigatito1234 "I think zoos and pedos don’t choose what they’re attracted to" Yeah, no shit. Does anyone choose what they're attracted to? "should still try to get help" If it doesn't cause us any problem, why? "because animals and kids can’t consent" This is meaningless. People keep saying it without thinking, but please, stop and think. What does "consent" actually mean, and why do you think it matters? Can a dog "consent" to a belly rub? Even if it rolls on its back and tilts its head at you? Even if it doesn't understand that there's a small risk of it getting a skin infection? Can a child "consent" to being given an ice cream? Even if they say they want one? Even if they don't understand that ice cream isn't good for their health? Can a child or dog "consent" to medical treatment? Even if the treatment might not be necessary and there is a risk of harmful side effects? Even if the likely outcomes would be beneficial? What "animals and kids can't consent" *actually* means is just "the law says it's illegal", which isn't an argument for *why* it should be illegal. Consent is irrelevant. It's a complete red herring. I do not believe that you actually care about consent. Parents and guardians of children make decisions on their children's behalf without caring about whether the child consents. Pet owners and farmers make decisions on behalf of their animals without caring whether the animal consents. What matters is whether the action causes significant actual harm. In almost all cases, child molestation causes actual harm, which is why it's illegal. With bestiality it's less clear whether it is always/usually harmful, but it still definitely causes harm in some cases.

[@hazelgrunts]

@@nathangamble125 it can enable people to engage in their paraphilias instead of getting therapy, which isn’t helpful

[@partyinthecloudkingdom]

dyeing pets isn't common, but it isn't unheard of in the united states. however, dyeing pets with kool aid is certainly unusual and bad for them. most people use pet-safe dyes or food dyes like food coloring, turmeric, and beets

[@iBolt07]

Back in 2015 a DHC suiter in a dance crew I was participating in for FWA said to me "nobody wants to hang out with you because of your fursuit", calling my homemade ugly, and tried to pitch it as a selling tactic for me going and purchasing a DHC suit. ever since then, DHC has always rubbed me the wrong way just from a business standpoint. but for the longest time, nobody knew why I had such a scorn for the company. Also the whole "partials were excluded from fursuit photos because Lucky + Captain Otter didn't want to be pictured with them" rumors from HCFC, though these were likely exaggerated, they did not help ease my mind on the topic. apart from this one bad moment from an admittedly toxic individual who thankfully is no longer in the fandom, I remained one of the only people to really hate the brand before it was cool to hate the brand. while my story is nowhere near as tragic as the story of many of her victims, this was the culture that she endorsed. I feel like in a way I saw the writing on the wall. Just all around sus vibes.

[@luheartswarm4573]

homemade suits are a labour of love fuck those elitist asshats

[@sandwich3044]

Oh same, a long time back she went on my DA account and got upset over something I made claiming I was trying to steal her profits (it wasn't even something for sale just a plush styled character bag I made for myself) and I always thought, you don't seem like a very pleasant person lol. Tried to change my opinion but I was always weary. I remember also, people saying how she would refuse to work with people of certain sizes, BC the fursuit doesn't 'look as good' as thinner people. So it was kinda funny to me when it blew up later, and more people saw her for who she is.

[@spamviking]

A local suit maker, who seems to have left the fandom by their lack of online activity for the last 10 years, was notorious here for making sure only their suits and suits that met their criteria were included in group photos for the local meetup. No partials allowed. They once even did this at a major convention, policed the suiting events to keep out any suits they didn't like. Probably responsible for a few new people who just made their own fursuits leaving the meets, and even the fandom. Gatekeeping ruins these kind of events.

[@Dimension2010]

“Cool to hate the brand” Need more cool statements like this so in the end only cool people hang in this cool fandom.

[@xXtrial_and_errorXx]

What an unexpected surprise. I feel so bad for all the suits because they are beautiful works of art that now are virtually useless. Even if you bought the suit 3rd party or know nothing about the creator, you'll be lumped in with them

[@_pachycephalosaurus_]

*what an expected surprise Sadly you can’t trust anyone online nowadays

[@CRUORGORE]

the suits are made very poorly. poor stitching and seams coming apart, as well as loose and sagging parts which haven’t been properly made to measurements

[@lolilikedragons3528]

That doesn't recover the amount of money that was spent on them stop. Theirs no way to have known all this before 2021

[@xXtrial_and_errorXx]

@@lolilikedragons3528 huh?

[@slowbro1337]

​@CRUORGORE They may be a pos person, but my suit that I got from them in 2010 has held up for about 50+ cons and random adventures, never had a busted seam or any issues. They may suck as a person but their suits do hold hold up well, at least alot of the earlier works anyways

[@thewulf777]

Holy shit... uhh, I wish someone would told me what paw markings on the hips like that could represent, I've heard nothing about what you explained here in the years that I've had one of my fursonas... literally having a meltdown over this, how many people have gotten the wrong idea from my design choice?! I placed them suggestively on purpose, but not THAT purpose D: Edit: just found out thats not actually a major identifier abd that only a handful in that group (comparative handful) have tried to coin it so im probably good and i guess if anyone asks i'll explain it to them. Stress me the f out man

[@eins2001]

"Suggestively on purpose, but not THAT purpose" Mmhmm...

[@loboinu]

@@eins2001What is the point of this comment? What point are you trying to make? 💀

[@johnnycagan994]

@@eins2001ur kinda weird for that 💀

[@sandwich3044]

It's probably okay, I doubt most people would think that way unless you give them more of a reason to assume it is BC of that. So you are likely safe.

[@infinitehexington]

@@johnnycagan994 you're unnecessarily rude, you must be 12

[@SmoulderDrache]

tf is it with zoophiles and g-sheps? every time I learn about one of these creeps they always go for g-sheps

[@sillycookie]

Because German shepards are bred to be incredibly obedient and aware of their owners feelings if they do something right or wrong. Unfortunately disgusting predators get their hands on these poor dogs because of that :(

[@Peachsaus]

I forgot the video I heard it from but it's also because supposedly they're a more "masculine" looking breed of dog, disgusting.

[@enderwalkgang]

I know right? It's almost never anything but a dog either. I've heard Zoos abusing cats like a few times but never anything smaller. It's almost always a dog and almost always a g sheep

[@amazingaquaticsandexotics3030]

@@enderwalkgang probably cuz a p1ssed off or uncomfortable cat will happily tear off all that you hold sacred

[@enderwalkgang]

@@amazingaquaticsandexotics3030 dogs might bite though, a dog if pushed far enough will bite back. But yeah cats are usually I guess more open about their discomfort

[@criidawg]

Ah, we got two things that seem to happen way to often online... People who interact very weirdly with animals and children-

[@Fel_artificial]

And most of them being furries

[@Jump-Shack]

Is it really that hard to stay away from kids and animals?

[@criidawg]

@@Jump-Shack Apparently...

[@TheAverageProtogen]

@@Fel_artificial sad truth to the fandom, but taht doesnt mean a lot of furries are. like, (estimate) 3%ish are zoos/pedos or whatever. people just like focusing on the weird people becasue thats how the world works :/ (sorry for bad grammar and spelling its 11pm lmao)

[@theratsinyourwalls]

⁠​⁠@@Fel_artificial compare any other insanely popular fandom to the furry fandom, there usually are more creeps

[@JoyfulNerd400]

I’m sorry but the fact she sent used toy photos to minors is 100% not a mistake and automatically made me not want to support DHC

[@TsovoaLevone]

I got harassed in an elevator because people think this is what the furry fandom is all about. It pisses me off so much that horrible people like this make us look bad. I am attracted to a few anthro characters, this is absolutely fine since they are humanoid and obviously could consent, BUT I am not attracted to non humanoids (actual animals) at all that is fucking disgusting, horrible, and could cause disease if acted on. I am seriously fucking confused why it’s mostly us who are accused of paedophilia when anime fans have been arrested for such things and nobody really harasses the anime fans.

[@MaxxSmiledog.jpg1998]

I’m really sorry that you’ve been attacked. Personally,I think it’s anime fans that should be harassed and accused for grooming minors and P3d0phillia.

[@WhiteWolfos]

Its easy to pick out a few people with roughly 3 million furries online vs over 100 million fans (2.88 billion watchers). In the US alone roughly 70% of young adults and teens watch anime compared to 1% furries. It stands to reason that, it's much harder to make out a few call outs to protect the fandoms within the anime communities when there are many more criminals in them. This is the same in gaming communities. However when broken down to smaller factions they become easier to curate such as call outs on toxic popular KZbin's, streamers etc. The smaller size of the furry fandom gives it higher curabilty and despite it being easier to be picked on by others(especially by young kids in the past), it is a very strong community and certainly welcoming. Raising millions in charity events help them stand out as well as the striking costumes and artwork. The anonymity of it (animal face vs human) helps people with social stressors escape and relax with more creative expression (attractive to such as professional workers including artists, those with autism, social awkwardness, adhd, and so forth) so it may be therapeutic in nature. Not many own or wear costumes either as this sector is financially harder to get into than anime or gaming with many costing thousands.

[@LagoVirt]

6:14 i can confirm this is how all well kept rabbits behave

[@DannyAnnielle]

The fact that lucky said that she straight up had have sex with the german shepherd and him basically saying "Yeah im not sure. Dont think she's a zoophile tho" 💀

[@Thiefnuker]

Might be that she's lying about it tbh.

[@MELcoholic]

the info is from a person just saying she did that with no proof whatsoever. with accusations like that you need more than fetish art and someone with no connection to her just saying that

[@coldfissionclancy235]

It’s always German Shepherd Dogs that zoos tend to have feelings towards. As someone whose uncle owns a GSD and has a half German Shepherd coydog as one of my sonas, I understand that they’re gorgeous, stunning dogs. But I would never have such a lust for this specific dog breed that I’d lose my virginity to one, let alone have any sexual feelings towards. Leave GSDs alone.

[@enderwalkgang]

It's also almost NEVER an animal smaller than a dog or cat, too.

[@coldfissionclancy235]

@@enderwalkgang I mean Shane Dawson, Khord Kitty, and Crusader Cat have definitely had an interest in cats but honestly the fact that they don’t target small dogs is a blessing. I can’t imagine someone doing this kinda crap to a corgi or a Shih-Tzu.

[@abnegative6969]

your videos are always so informative and to the point, love sitting down with lunch and one of your vids. very good content IMHO, surprised you aren't much more popular. keep up the good work!

[@rossjohnstone4689]

I remember when this first came out, and I was heartbroken because their suits looked so good. But I can not support people like this as they really some of the scum of the earth imo.

[@HulluMel2]

I'm fairly certain that Lucky is a zoo cuz her name has come up before in zoo expose threads independently of the callout doc. She's also drawn gift art for confirmed zoos 😔

[@TwinkleTwinkleTruly]

So, she pretty much knowingly indirectly killed several rabbits. That’s sickening! How could anyone support such people?!

[@RykerDavis123]

Ive been in this fandom for 10 years. Im surprised just how much drama i missed.

[@wendydomino]

It's a shame that a person with so much talent has to be so cruel.

[@haxresearch701]

why do furries give furries a bad name like vegans?

[@AshFoxtail]

I have a paw tattoo 🐾, it was my first tattoo, i got it to indicate my joining/association to the furry fandom 😭 mine is on my right arm but now that i am aware of the correlation, its a bit worrying someone may thing i am one of these horrible people

[@kylekickass]

It's really only used by a handful of people and even then the placement isn't suggestive

[@meepabeepa]

I have never been a part of the furry community, but I just can't stop myself from learning about the controversy and drama that happens in it.

[@gonelmao]

This is why I don’t consider myself a furry even though I draw anthro animals. I do not want to be associated with such a title.

[@GardenData61371]

Your problem

[@booprsnoot]

that's ok, you don't need to. it's just a label.

[@xyrkzes]

In my eyes, a furry is a person who has their own anthropomorphic animal persona they often self identify as (usually with a colorful and somewhat cartoony art style, although it’s not required). Simply drawing furries shouldn’t make you one yourself imo. It should be something *you* choose, not a title somebody else puts on you. On a side note, the one thing I hate about furries is how there are so many other types of other anthro animal characters that are now being labeled as furries, such as the Khaijit in elder scrolls, or the Dragonborn in Baldur’s Gate. And I know some people do it intentionally to piss off people like me.

[@EGGPLAYUH420j9]

The amount of times I audibly said wtf is probably a new record for me because there is so much fucked up shit this person did

[@kitk3499]

THANK FUCKING GOD IVE BEEN NEEDING SOMETHING TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WTF WENT ON WITH CACTI FOR A G E S

[@concordemakesvideos1070]

You're a Kiwi! Have a sub! from one NZer to another. Nice (I'm already subscribed but the point stands, nice to meet you)

[@_Featch_]

Sad. I really liked their suits back in 2012 when I was 14 and wished to get one from them in the future. Just love their adorable toony style. Now when buying a fursuit from them after that incident you would forever be branded for supporting DHC.

[@sketchyart8411]

Umm ya no we don’t dye our dogs with kolaid. I have dyed my dog but with dog saft dye or food coloring but it’s extremely uncommon and was something we did cause young kids wanted rainbow dog.

[@Fitzroy_Fox]

I have a DHC suit that is actually pictured in this video a few times. I bought it in 2011. If I knew what I found out when this came to light in 2021, I would've gone to another suit maker. I feel betrayed to a degree that I had no idea the person making my suit was doing all this. I'm at the point where I will likely never put the suit back on and want to get the character a new suit.

[@booprsnoot]

aw man... do you think maybe you could alter it? or are you too bothered to mess with it at all? you could change the foam base, unless you would rather just not use it at all.

[@misterbag2030]

2:23 WHAT THE FUCK I PUT A FUCKING PAW PRINT ON MY FURSONAS THIGH AND HAD NO CLUE

[@WolfMaxBoss]

Bro i have a paw tatoo with the gay flag in my and my songs butt, I Hades no clue too. Is that a real thing? Do I have to remove it!? I'm almost crying...

[@WolfMaxBoss]

I just put it in there cuz I thought It was cute.

[@misterbag2030]

@@WolfMaxBoss rip, i don't think it's crazy serious but i don't want to be associated with those people.

[@WolfMaxBoss]

@misterbag2030 me too, but the tatoo was a gift from my bf, so I'll probably keep it. I hope I won't be associated with them.

[@pokefreak2112]

There is zero evidence that paw tattoos are a zoo dogwhistle. Either they completely made that up to make her look bad or were just misinformed. The real dogwhistles are: - ζ symbol in name or bio (strong) - following accounts whose entire gimmick is being a zoophile (strong) - actively interacting with known zoophiles (mid) - bad dragon toys (weak)

[@TheFloraBonBon]

I thought Paw markings was just a simple cute design, i was thinking of getting pawprint tattoos from my pets that passed on over the past years on my arm of my two cats, a dog and a guinea pig. I never knew that pawprint tattoos meant that. if i do get pawprints tattoos i would have the words of 'In loving memory' then have their names above or under the pawprints. But i'm not sure if i should get the tattoos anymore.

[@triskadancer]

It specifically is pawprints on the inner hips. Any other location is obviously fine.

[@futonrevolution7671]

I'd put arm tattoos (maybe even something over your heart) that are obviously of real pets on the same level, as drawing or stamping their pawprints as signatures on a Christmas card: a permanent way of including them in the family, and not a dogwhistle (pun intended) that even the most degenerate of degenerates would think is an invitation. The only thing that would be concerning is if you end up having your arms, entire back, collarbone, and neck covered in pawprints.

[@MD-ex7cg]

I watched one video of princess Luna singing fly me to the moon, and now my recommended is full of pony and furry stuff.

[@DewWithFloof]

I once tought about having a DHC fursuit after some time... after watching this video, stupid idea. Never wanting that again. In my opinion, what Lucky has (probably) done is gross and unacceptable.

[@RUBYthedragon]

I was one of the people in the document and I appreciate your video. I would be happy to answer questions you have. As I have been since the document coming out.

[@SjorsMaster]

with that said, the fandom straight up harasses people that own a suit from them, and I think that's pretty disgusting in itself

[@Deimosthegreat]

Might be a bit of a hot take here but I never really liked DHC suits in the first place. There's having a recognizable style that people flock to you for, but then there's having every one of your suits look so cookie cutter similar that I can't even tell one species apart from another. Not to mention how overused that bedroom eyes expression is.

[@captain_cassidy]

As somone in The furry fandom who is also a minor, this disgusts me.

[@DergonTails]

Was there when the document released. it's quite the shock, especially since i liked their cat fursuits a lot. still, i agree with all points you've said. when looking for a maker, please do your research, people! there are tons of makers out there, and you don't have to go for the most popular maker to have a good suit. and if you're up for the challenge, you can maybe make your own! (that's what i did, aha, but i don't do commissions, i just make stuff for myself because it keeps me busy when not drawing)

[@FeralFaceBitingClownBoi]

My sister had a pomeranian that looked like a fox down to the fur patterns and everything. The only difference was that he was more brownish and darker in color that an actual fox. Never seen one like it since.

[@stacyyyowo]

Lucky is the J.K. Rowling of furries

[@AQueerLoner]

lmaooo

[@Jynxxx5]

I have never seen the paw marking claim before and can’t find anything about it online. How are we so sure that’s what it means?

[@M3l_0N666]

Dunno, maybe hang around the degenerates and youll find out. Convicts don't advertise their ink, and expect only certain types of individuals to identify them.

[@AveryHyena]

Same reason why people were so sure the ok hand sign was a "white supremacist dogwhistle"

[@booprsnoot]

it makes sense with the other evidenced, idk

[@dimetime35c]

God I never get board of furry drama! Most fandoms drama is boring! Its someone called someone a bad name, someone copied someone else's work, or something boring like that. Furry drama: zoo, pedo, grooming and more. Its either someone graped a bunch of dogs or kids.

[@BlackReshiram]

listen you cant just drop that benji reference and not expect me to zero in on that one ref for the rest of the video s,jfhksdf jokes aside another banger video, thank you seal!

[@Star_Stormz]

Wow I was actually just wondering about the dhc drama when you uploaded this, crazy coincidence hah. Cant wait to watch, your videos are really well done and informing.

[@MrJWeeWee]

Your voice reminds me of my late father, he was malled by a tiger in 09 on another note do you play with yourself to tiger tea. Mr J WeeWee signing out

[@GabeWild-wq2ne]

Hello son, I’m not actually dead, I just wanted to say that I’m proud of you for everything you’ve done Mr J.weewee’s dad

[@radiantrey2175]

I just want to make one correction. Qutens didn't make/work with the people that made the document- they only shared the document in support of the victims.

[@burgereaterboy]

i’m not even a furry i just needed a video to watch while eating but damn this was wild edit: that’s a weird choice of video for eating now that i think about it…but i like true crime and this is true crimish(? idk

[@TwinkleTwinkleTruly]

I may not be a furry, but I recognise a LagoVirt reference when I hear one 😂

[@germandoge2315]

Why in gods name must it always be german shepherds

[@RoxasOnSummerVacation]

I know, right?! Just makes me think of Sappho.

[@PercydeRoloFangirl]

True I love dogs and especially German Shepherds and seeing people have sexual attraction to them is sick.

[@sysierius]

And they still make suits till this very day

[@tonybaker3880]

The Furry fandom. who needs to pay for netflix when there is free entertainment around the corner. Love your content, keep going. Hope you reach 100k by the end of the year

[@thegoodspirit5288]

This is crazy!? Also, very unfortunate to find out. I met them once in 2010 & I somehow didn't catch wind of this behavior at all!?!?

[@booprsnoot]

oh man.... that sucks, sorry about that 😟

[@plaguenotprophet7840]

My fahter hunted people who hurt kids amd animals... And after studying how hed find his targets, im beginning to see how that paw mark could make you a target. It isnt rght to harm others but we cant account for everything. I wouldn't get that mark, it could help someone track you... Tho some may wonder if this sort of predator on predator predation if you will is just nature, a mix of natural selection and eugenics. Beware, yee of dark side. I once had issues because i got hurt real bad but i got better. Some still can but beyond a certain point.... If you cant put that unhinged maniac in a facility then please dont be suprised when people lure and atrack these people... After all, we did try to warn them. Maps, zoos... Its a sickness an institution can fix only. You cant let them go free until they arent talking to kids anymore

[@jesus_0309]

I really hate that there's no definitive conclusion to this but in my opinion lucky is in the wrong and so is scuff for supporting her and yes there are so many other amazing fursuit makers out there that deserve your money, amazing vid btw

[@crow2250]

good god fucking finally i see someone talk about what they actually did all i see is people going 'this person is wearing a dhc suit at this con.. block pls' and NEVVEEERRRR responds when you ask what they did

[@aboveaverageazzuen2684]

Let's not forget that she offered to repair that one fursuiter who's fursuit was a confiderate flag any and all damage from anyone who tried to damage it. While I don't agree with attacking someone who obviously put a lot of work into what is **technally** art. I still don't agree with them openly saying "we'll pay for any damages to this person who is obviously a troll and making this as ragebait" Not to also mention that they've been accused of shoddy work

[@ZentaBon]

That's Heads and Tails studios not DHC.

[@danielferrovias]

That's why i only appreciate anthro animals. But i ain't a furry...

[@zaki_fl]

fun little side note about that shep suit by dhc, some people accused shepgoesblep of owning that (which they didnt, as can be seen in vid)

[@Maxis_Mi]

Thank you so much for this video! I just recently got back into the furry fandom after being away for a few years and heard about the DHC situation in an iceberg video and it just left me confused because I remember them as hugely respected makers. I appreciate your fair judgement of the situation Keep up the great work!

[@Soundwave857]

The amount of ppl who still support DHC is insane. Such ignorant individuals, i hope they get help. Its always so sad when i see good friends hang out with post doc DHC fursuit owner.

[@tankladd]

Professional american here, I can confirm you are legally required to bathe your animals in koolaid when you get them.

[@azazellon]

Otherwise the Kool Aid man will steamroll through your kitchen wall

[@haileyshannon7548]

They have a worse track record with animals than Elmyra!

[@booprsnoot]

I find this stuff really interesting to learn about. helps me become aware of who I should avoid and support. 👍

[@PugWorldLandshorts]

No one dies there dog with kool-aid. Unless you’re insane.

[@evereq8970]

9:35 sadly she was wrong? it may often be a serious issue requiring therapy

[@Mister-Toaster]

What’s wrong with this world?

[@Camyre]

I zone out for a second and then I hear something about urinating in a tent

[@Archimedes-v2o]

As a rabbit owner.. I really want her to suffer.