WEAK to Her POWER!!! | Epic The Musical - Puppeteer & Wouldn't You Like | Reaction/Analysis

[@gigi2820]

It's great to see that final rotation shot I did having an effect on people lmao. Awesome video! :D

[@officialmortius]

YOOOOO! That shot was absolutely sick, just like everything else I’ve seen from you. Your Horse+Infant and Just a Man are what started me on this journey, thank you for all you do for this community!!!!

[@Jakobaker]

It’s beautiful

[@CyrahLia_459]

The whole thing is absolutely wonderful ❤️‍🔥

[@fnfailer2476]

We love you gigi

[@R_A_Rspring]

the way you portrayed eurilikus rap part was exactly how i imagined it with the arms behind the back and walking up and down. it was so nice to actually see it in stead of just imagination. Thank you gigi

[@kittycatzuka]

Another fun little fact about Circe is that she and Hermes are canonically ex lovers. So Hermes really just gave his great-grandson magic weed to fight his former flame.

[@cojec]

"Oh, you're gonna fight my ex? Sounds dope, have some drugs."

[@amandabartels458]

...😅😂 love Mortimus's (?) Reaction to the captions and his reaction to the music. Thinking of CIRCE makes me think of: 🎉🐽😮

[@amandabartels458]

@cojec " if all goes correctly you'll sail past Elysium's meadows and straight on to NEVERMOORE, where a murder of harpies live... Best of luck kid . 🧒

[@amandabartels458]

" OAR 💭 ~ ~ 🤔 Was that Nevermoore ?

[@vaquishers]

could've sworn aeolus was odysseus's great grandfather. I know that he's up there in the family tree

[@DoctorHoovy]

I too can’t help but laugh at the “a woman” part

[@keyjerant7917]

and the "what?"

[@ATrixsterr]

“She had us in just two words 🤷”

[@Ashlyn_151]

"Come inside"

[@loftydabird54]

"Damn"

[@vincentpollmann3191]

Well and they were still suprised they were turned into pigs.... how poetic, isn't it? (Imagine the last part in best Ursula voice impression....)

[@emerson4140]

Something I recently found out that’s absolutely gold- The high notes going “woah” isn’t Hermes, it’s _Odysseus._ Super funny to me, bc now all I can picture is Odysseus just tripping balls after he eats the moly

[@okamitenshi9175]

That’s amazing! 🤣

[@pat2rick26]

He gave him weed, you cant change my mind

[@StarField369]

jorge’s vocal range never fails to shock me, what do you mean he’s hitting those notes???

[@philipliao4006]

Quick note on Hermes's help, I'm fairly certain Hermes is one of the few that offers help for little to no reason. He's helped many heroes through gifting magical items primarily, his help rarely seems to come with a cost either.

[@Ansixilus]

I think there's something to be said for Hermes not being a city god the way everyone else is. Travelers know how important being kind, often without likely repayment, is. People who have stability are all too often less understanding of both the necessity of charity, and the necessity of paying it forward.

[@thebrandunsafeone7184]

minor side note to this note, Hermes ALSO helps people because he's the Trickster (the capital is important) of the pantheon and he thinks its fun.

[@sleepy_pommie]

@@thebrandunsafeone7184 Hermes is just a gremlin and one of the kindest god. i love the duality (just don't be a turtle)

[@thebrandunsafeone7184]

@@sleepy_pommie exactly!!!! He's kind, and he's also a lil gremlin man!! He just like me frfr!

[@SM-ky6pb]

​@@thebrandunsafeone7184 He's a menace to the gods but fairly kind to the mortals lol

[@Lariatt]

Some fun facts here! In gigi's animatic, the reason you see Hermes' feet land on a branch is because during Odysseus' lines when it happens, you can hear very rapid harp playing. That is Hermes' instrumental signature, which is what you hear at the beginning of Wouldn't you like. Meaning, at the beginning of WYL, THAT is the "speech" Hermes overheard. He enjoyed the points Odysseus made and decided to throw him a bone. It also helps that Hermes is, I believe, Odysseus' Grandfather? He definitely does flirt with Odysseus a little in WYL. Finally, that run at the end is, in fact, not Hermes. I thought so too when I first heard the album, but it's actually Odysseus (thus Jorge!). It's the plants powers giving him a powerup, thus he joins Hermes in his singing to signify his power being different than before.

[@Lariatt]

And yes, he should definitely be asking follow up questions, but Hermes is just like that LOL. He (at least this interpretation) thought it'd be funny to help out the little guy, and doesn't really expect much in return? He's essentially asking Odysseus to prove what he said about going any lengths to save his crew and return home with them.

[@EG-hy9mv]

Great grandfather, Ody's maternal grandfather was Hermes' son Autolycus, infamous robber

[@TNJenni42]

@@EG-hy9mvfollowing in dad’s footsteps

[@VictoriaStarratt]

His instrument is actually the lyre, probably because he invented it

[@robertolanzone]

Uuuu that's Jorge? Wow, that's cool. I really like the idea of Odysseus doing vocal runs in Hermes's song, in a sort of "celebration", joining in the sentiment of the chorus

[@kristenthacker5762]

in ody's defense during wouldn't you like, Hermes is kinda known for just popping up and handing hero's mcguffins, so it's less weird for him to do so then a random god like aioles. PLUS Hermes is ody's great grandpa, so hermes has helped ody out before (hence why he was so quick to recognize him)

[@MarcyStevonshy]

I like to imagine Hermes as that “it’s no safe to go alone! Take this!” guy and then breaking the sound barrier as he speeds off as quickly as he came LOL

[@_aWiseMan]

Plus Hermes is just one of those god who does things without consequences. Purely because the events he pops into are interesting in of themselves. He doesn't need to challenge you. Or give a struggle or catch. If he shows up your probably already facing one. He's just there to watch and help you every now and again. (Tho in some versions he actually warns cerce too, for the lols)

[@MegamindsMaleWife]

​@@MarcyStevonshyThe difference is instead of a sort he's giving you drugs

[@Luna_andSola]

Circe's: "Odysseus what are you doing?" Odysseus: "Weed."

[@AranbomBisexual]

Hermes: well yes and no….word it differently

[@GenCHarv]

Holy moly*

[@ayymenalsabahi5440]

One of my favorite details in Gigi's "puppeteer" animation is that when she says "I've got you" she's speaking to the men but the nest line : "don't worry Circe's got you now" is directed at the nymph. Circe says later on that she turns men into pigs to protect her nyphs and i find that detail so great! Edit: also I would LOVE a genderbent cover of pupeteer!!! PLEASE!

[@ayymenalsabahi5440]

Also another detail i like: the gods' eyes glow all the time to show their divinity/ powers. Circe's only glow when she uses them.

[@kaidensmith2770]

I also love that it's a double meaning depending on who she's talking to, when she says "don't worry circe's got to you now" to the men, she's literally telling them you falling into my trap I now have you, but when she says it to the nymph, she's saying don't worry I'm going to take care of these intruders for you

[@akaittou]

I will never get over how flirty this Hermes is, and I love it. Odysseus is thankful for the help but he so clearly also wants some distance from being borderline hit on by his great-grandpa 😂

[@Msshyn11]

Hermes feels like some kind of flirty guy, to throw off other people off their guards

[@mamertotudtudjr.2208]

​@@Msshyn11 "throw other people off their guard" Which is redundant since some prominent stories describe Hermes as the physically strongest olympian

[@Msshyn11]

@@mamertotudtudjr.2208 ohh! i see alr!

[@tanyanikolaevagizdova6571]

​@@mamertotudtudjr.2208 Hermes is the eternal trickster. He wins glory through trickery in his Homeric Hymn, but continues to use trickery for the rest of his eternity. That's his thing.

[@James-nr2hi]

​@@mamertotudtudjr.2208There is not a single story that describes Hermes as the strongest Olympian. If you've ever heard different you were severely lied to. He is a trickster. Not a warrior. He relies on and is know for his wits and his schemes. Not his strength. The Strongest Olympian is Zues, by a f*cking mile. In fact there are stories that say he is stronger than all the other Olympians combined.

[@kenzieabner-gl5po]

fun fact hermes and odysseus are related so- also when your asking odysseus to ask hermes what he wants, i don’t think hermes even cares he’s a trickster at heart

[@bethanyjackson2719]

I've heard it said somewhere that Hermes is just here for the soap opera

[@ClawedAsh]

I once said that "Hermes is the kind of guy to give a power up to the weaker side just to make the fight more fun to watch" and I genuinely think that's what is happening here

[@Logicalleaping]

@@bethanyjackson2719 Hermes, being the gods personal messenger/delivery boy, was giving the Moly by Athena to give to Odysseus. This is conveyed in the song by Athena being the female background vocals.

[@bethanyjackson2719]

@@Logicalleaping Oh wow! That was information I had not yet received! I was rather under the impression that Athena was still mad at him.

[@Logicalleaping]

@@bethanyjackson2719MAYBE SPOILERS IF YOU DON'T WANT BITS OF 'HOMER'S ODYSSEY' SPOILED Its one of those weird God things they do "I left you so I could see you become a worthy warrior while I helped in the shadows" something along those lines. Athena helps Telemachus on his journey to find his father and comes back to Odysseus's side when he returns to Ithaca. Athena does a lot of background work to help Odysseus especially in calming Poseidons rage.

[@lesterwiggins229]

Hermes is like the Loki of the Greek gods; always up for a good laugh and a bit of mischief. He doesn’t really care how the situation is going to turn out as long as he is entertained.

[@Borderose]

Funny enough. He's actually seen as more equivalent/being the same as Odin.

[@Genderfluid_dumbass]

​@@Borderose really? Considering Odin was god of wisdom and king of the gods I always thought he would be closer to Athena/Zeus

[@Borderose]

@@Genderfluid_dumbass Nope. The Romans and the Greeks identified Odin with Mercury/Hermes. Odin is a trickster god too. He's also the source of the runes and a lot of the magic people at the time used like Hermes, and like Hermes he is known for going incognito among mortals. Zeus is Thor. They're both also related to the Hindu god Indra. Hence, all their commonalities like love for humanity, association with goats, and for Zeus and Indra at least both being manslut kings of the gods. Thor's the best behaved of the thunder god offshoots. (Also, on the subject of Zeus: funny enough finding out his connection to Thor and Indra is what allowed me to find out what the Thunderbolt actually is: It's not a javelin or a weapon made of magic. It's a hand-mace. A vajra. Basically a weaponized barbel. It looks simple and the range is short, but the weapon gives you the absolute power of a sledgehammer that has the speed of a swung fist. It won't dull. It can break and capture swords, break spears, and if you throw it at someone--oh, that guy is finished. If you tap it against your shield? You produce thunder. You swing it like a goat's hooves against a stone floor or at another weapon like two bucks locking horns.

[@Genderfluid_dumbass]

@@Borderose ah that makes sense, I've only read like one book about Norse mythology, it fascinates me but I know much more about greek/Roman so I wasn't aware Odin was a trickster god

[@Borderose]

@@Genderfluid_dumbass There's also the wand-bearer aspect. Odin and Hermes both have that.

[@rakimion]

I fucking LOVE Hermes legitimately just straight up flirting with Odysseus through this entire song xD

[@LovelyLara123]

He’s Ody’s great grandpa as well lol

[@xfoxicity]

The opening of pupeteer perfectly lines up with "Polites gear up, you and ill go ahead, let us try to find a way noone ends up dead" right after loosing 550 people to Poseidon.

[@rivendells_shona]

“Look at all this food… look at all these sheep. I can’t believe that all this is here for us to keep.” The harp is pitched just like Polites’ voice as they enter the cave.

[@paolar836]

Yes! To me, the choice to have those notes from Full Speed Ahead playing immediately after the outcome of Ruthlessness is almost like a peek into Odysseus's thoughts. Like him thinking about how he was supposed to be the one making the right choices to make sure that no one in his crew ends up dead, and how he failed twice now. Those notes playing, even though softly, still feel mocking and cruel to me. The thought to add this at the beginning of Puppeteer is brilliant! ...heartbreaking but brilliant still!!

[@elenjulia8271]

OMFG UR RIGHT

[@disableddragonborn]

Gigi showing Hermes's feet at that part is GENIUS, because if you listen closely, the strings you're hearing are from a lyre. Hermes invented the lyre, so it's his motif in Epic. He was eavesdropping.

[@pixlv6384]

True, power does not come for free in this world. Thankfully the price for Hermes' help is nepotism since Odysseus is his great grandson

[@LittleTehri]

The notes in "Puppeteer" that you're recognising from "Full Speed Ahead" are specifically where Odysseus is telling Polites to gear up and that they'll scout ahead of the others! It adds an extra little note of grief to the whole thing, really, realising that it's that moment... and you'll find that those notes are repeated on and off since they first appear, and they always add emotional moments. And oh, I almost forgot about Eurylochus's question of whether or not Odysseus will choose to leave if he finds Circe can't be defeated! The outright question of "will YOU admit defeat and just take the loss, or will you persist until you, and inevitably the rest of your men, perish here?" is a heavy question pertaining to Odysseus's tendency to not frigging giving up when it would offer him and everyone else a way out and a way to avoid more suffering. The statement of "It's a game of wits, but you don't have to play" echoes that perfectly too! Odysseus just can't leave it alone, and Eurylochus knows by now that it'll affect everyone else present too. I remember Jorge said he had initially wanted some sort of reminder of Hermes from Hadestown in the performance of "Wouldn't You Like", but eventually he decided on making something new, something unique to Epic, and the choice was absolutely perfect. Mischievous, flirtatious, and yet oddly distant and flippant - there's nothing I don't love about the performance for Hermes in that song! Cheshire Cat vibes are very accurate for Hermes in general - I mean, he is very much a trickster god, someone known to play pranks and who likes to mess around. And knowing that he's Odysseus's grandfather (or great-grandfather, not sure which) just... Yeah, it adds to understanding some of Odysseus's character, in my opinion. The wit and all that. And yes, Hermes is most definitely speaking from experience! If I remember correctly, he and Circe were lovers at one point, which is why he knows how to beat her!

[@kikikitten1473]

I love your analysis of this ❤

[@CupcakeNinja-kq6yf]

That's what I thought, glad to find someone else who heard it

[@tahirihmaddela]

And why Circe knew immediately that it was Hermes who gave Odysseus the moly

[@Zach2003]

As a german language nerd, one funfact i know is that Circe actually influenced the German language. "bezirzen" means to kind if bewitch someone with beauty and that stuff and it actually derives from Circe's name

[@vincentpollmann3191]

Infact many words came from greek Mythology like : Damoklesschwert. Or in englisch "clue" which came from an old word for a Ball of threat, that was gifted to theseus. At least according to overly sarcastic production, which are known for a good research...

[@vincentpollmann3191]

Oder achillesferse, argusaugen, gigant, mentor...

[@corbanbausch9049]

It’s easy to forget sometimes that these stories are older than nearly every culture, nation or language that currently exists. They are so ingrained in western culture that they have left a mark in nearly every aspect of it for the past 2000 years.

[@vincentpollmann3191]

@@corbanbausch9049 especially if you consider this: democracy...

[@sunnysunsins]

I can't even tell you how many times i rewatched Gigi's animatic for puppeteer... Just the ways Circe moves and dances at every moment, mesmerizing

[@Canadian_snowman]

You would get turned to a pig without hesitation

[@fiasomething]

maybe controversial opinion, but i think the strength of this musical is how it can tell a story without any visuals, through the music and lyrics alone. animatics are great, i love animatics, but it's weird how a lot of reaction people are focusing on them so much. each animatic is only one artist's interpretation of the events, and i personally think it's good to form my own image in my head before i see what other people create. but in the end it's up to you, of course

[@Unknown_Eldritch]

You're not wrong in your opinion, but at the same time the music and lyrics alone... well, it wouldn't be a particularly dynamic youtube video and might have trouble holding peoples attention for too long. There's a reason why even people who make reactions to 'normal' music tend to go with music videos instead of just lyrics, it gives an extra layer of entertainment and stimulation for viewers.

[@fiasomething]

@@Unknown_Eldritch yeah ok that's also a factor. i forgot about that because i usually just listen to youtube videos while doing something else

[@antonioe.9571]

It's not entirely wrong tho. Iirc Jorge did explain what he wanted on the animations before they were made. Some of them at least. So there's a couple of artists that do make animations according to Jorge's pov of how the events are happening. Does it make them canon? Idk 🤔

[@DanaBanana94]

Your comment feels very purist-ish. Like, "your way of enjoying things is wrong/ inferior" or whatever.

[@cojec]

@@DanaBanana94 It didn't feel purist to me, they made it clear that this was all their opinion. Personally, I prefer animatics because they can reframe the narrative in ways I didn't think of, or clarify some things that didn't make sense to me (I didn't understand what was happening in Warrior of the Mind until I watched an animatic of it). But fiaghost feels differently, and that's okay! They're just sharing how they feel about animatics, it didn't seem like they were trying to convince anyone to change their own opinion.

[@nudgificator]

I would happily watch you react to The Underworld Saga musically first then animatics when they're available. I feel like it would be cruel to make you wait for the animatics!

[@demikus]

agreed I'm completely fine with Mort listening to the new saga when it comes out, then revisiting the saga once some animatics have surfaced.

[@saddlebag]

Maybe he could do lyric videos or something, just to make sure he catches everything that’s said.

[@GleamDrawz]

@@saddlebaghe could react to the watch party video maybe?

[@citlallehernandez]

If the watch party was readily available, but it's gone. He would have to find someone who screen recorded it

[@GleamDrawz]

@@citlallehernandez ah dang. Yeah thats sad lmao

[@corinneeaglebridge]

5:36 I’d like to add; listening to it, I think that might be the instrumentation under “we should try to find a way no-one ends up dead” which is even MORE devastating

[@dylank6225]

Exactly what it is

[@eaglefan2569]

Yup, that's the specific rundown in Full Speed Ahead that goes, "Polites gear up, you and I'll go ahead. We should try to find a way no one ends up dead." Hilariously prior to this is, "I say we strike first, we don't have time to waste so let's raid the place and-" from Eurylochus. Kind of an ironic tradeoff in circumstances between the last time that particular motif was used and now- Odysseus sends Eurylochus ahead instead of going himself because more people did end up dead, while Eurylochus himself is far more cautious in his own approach to the island than before.

[@chicknbaconranchmelt]

SPOILERS FOR UNRELEASED SONG: It's also the same melody for some of the lines in Telemachus' song "Legendary" when he says "I'm stuck with your stories and no clue who you are, with no idea of if you're dead or just too far"!

[@summernovah]

​@@chicknbaconranchmelt Ooh youre so right. I had just chalked it up to the "my second in command" line from Full speed

[@music_and_other_random_thi1330]

Yep 😭

[@last2nkow]

Odyssius really does exemplify the difference between being intelligence and wisdom. just very very good at working out puzzles and strategies and direct problems in front of him, but just zero awareness of consequences and or forethought. also, i adore Hermes being just a disco little guy

[@Bloodyshadow1]

I mean odysseus was abandoned/abandoned by wisdom, he's not really thinking things through. That being said, Hermes is his great-grandfather and has a soft spot for his descendant so it isn't super surprising that he took over guiding Odysseus since Athena left him. He's also a well known trickster god so it probably wouldn't have helped to ask him why he's helping in the first place

[@DaxonDarling]

Answering your question of how they would do the vocal layering in a stage performance… probably the same way Hamilton did the rewind effects in their production. I’m not sure of the exact process but it was a recorded version layered in with everyone actually singing

[@fizz2867]

Im thinking maybe they wont have the vocalists on stage for the gods because they arent real people signing but then for the people they would have to have the actual people on stage singing

[@DaxonDarling]

@@fizz2867 a cool idea would be to have the Gods castes as real people on stage, but have them stay up in balconies.. a kind of “we are higher than you in every way” symbolism.. the gods play too big a role to not have actors actually on stage I think.. but I wouldn’t be disappointed by them just being disembodied voices

[@mirandabee2323]

@@fizz2867 Maybe the gods' backing vocalists could be conjured onstage, or maybe they would be backstage/in the wings as in many stagings of The Lightning Thief (e.g., everyone who isn't Percy during "Good Kid") and Be More Chill (e.g., everyone who isn't Michael during "Michael in the Bathroom").

[@Sirup21]

The theme at the beginning is the part where Odesseus said “we can try to find a way no one ends up dead” in full speed ahead

[@crystalkatsuka]

I knew i wasn't going crazy when he said another part!

[@TurkeyVulture]

Fun fact: when Hermes perched on the branch in Puppeteer the insturments changed to the instruments that represent Hermes to show that he was listening

[@Letsgo11227]

Actually in 27:42 when we hear the background voice sing is actually Odysseus filling up with power

[@chaotycznieodkrywam255]

I thought so too!

[@jennifermk4059]

Yup! The lyric video on Jorge's channel confirms the background ohs are Ody as the moly kicks in.

[@boomgirlbucko]

I literally had no idea that was Odysseus until I watched the old live stream with the lyrics on screen

[@LovelyLara123]

@@boomgirlbuckoSame!

[@LovelyLara123]

So it’s basically magic drugs

[@Rosegold_Atlas]

Odysseus is known to not ask questions about gifts from gods in this but I like to think that this time he gets a pass because Hermes is known to help out Greek heroes a lot in mythology so maybe Odysseus thought he was safe.

[@raf015_2]

Also, Hermes is Odysseus Great-Grandfather from his mother side so they're cool.

[@KovalBogk]

Welcome to the first chapter of "Fun facts about EPIC": did you know that there actually is a spinoff series called Hermes(and jay) and he made a lot of cameos throughout next videos? The Hermes VA is Troy Doherty by the way

[@archviceroy]

Anyone who hasn’t seen the actual real-life Hermes who inserted himself into this show (sorry, not falling for the “Troy Doherty” lies), NEEDS to watch those videos!

[@AirQuotes2962]

I think you should check out the music for the Underworld saga, then animatics later when they eventually come out. Also, the predominant theory I've heard surrounding what Euryloches's confession is is the idea that he's confessing to having opened the wind bag in the lead into Ruthlessness.

[@GleamDrawz]

:0 chekovs gun we may get it later ‼

[@Missed_V]

I definitely think hes the one that opened it or at least turned a blind eye to the people that did

[@lizwildcatmunro2460]

My FAVOURITE part of Wouldn’t You Like is Hermes’ end of “Don’t thank me yet you very well may die” and his laugh is so contagious

[@officialmortius]

I don’t know who’s going to see this because I’m not going to unpin Gigi but uh… I didn’t wait to watch the Underworld Saga 😅 www.patreon.com/posts/103190346

[@i-will-bite]

GOOD! Amazing choice:)

[@GleamDrawz]

LMAO that's completely understandable

[@SarenDracul]

im like 90% sure Troy (the guy who plays Hermes) is literally just Hermes himself in the modern day

[@vincentpollmann3191]

The beginning of puppeteer is indeed from full speed ahead, but its the instrumental from the vers not the bridge. Thing about: "watch where the birds fly! They will lead us to land There we'll hunt for food, my second in command"

[@Cataly_ely]

I think the melody fits better for "Polites gear up. You and I'll go ahead. We should try and find a way no one ends up dead." Plus it would be a hell of a lot more devastating, like after Odysseus just lost almost all of his fleet, he's thinking back to that moment with his best friend, where he was trying his best to make sure nobody dies. And here he is now, 43 left under his command.

[@vincentpollmann3191]

@@Cataly_ely well yeah if you consider the lyrics , but didn't meant this vers figurativley for the feelings it was trying to envoke. just an example for melody recognition purposes. Mostlikly thought about this part cause it is my favorite vers in that song. But after all I think the melody is pretty the same, just slower at the gearbeitet up part and I think an Oktave lower maybe? So tune wise it is more the normal part but Tempo wise it is more like you suggest.

[@lowstamina_arts]

Fun fact: Odysseus is Hermes’s Great-grandson! Also I feel Hermes is menacing a bit in “Wouldn’t you like” because he’s known as the Greek trickster god! Gosh the underworld saga is so great! I think maybe react to the songs then react to animatics once they’ve came out for the visual interpretation and spreading love to the artists but that’s my opinion

[@sophiegreenfield-is6xw]

That means odisius is quarter God?

[@lowstamina_arts]

@@sophiegreenfield-is6xw yes or at least a small amount of god blood is in his veins

[@LovelyLara123]

@sophiegreenfield-is6xw1/8 God

[@Im_1n_The_House]

“ASK. FOLLOW UP. QUESTIONS.” Has such a panic to it that I can picture his second in command screaming lol

[@ἈσπὶςἈχιλλῆος]

1. Actually this time Jay has collaborated with many artists to use the animatics in the premiere, which have covered most part of the songs already, so you can just check it out from his recording video, or wait until other animatics come out. 2. At the beginning of Puppeteer, the strings are playing the melody of “Full Speed Ahead” starting from “watch where the birds fly” to “there we’ll hunt for food, my second in command”, while the piano is playing the melody of “Luck Runs Out”, showing that this is the dynamic moment between Odysseus and Eurylochus. 3. I love how you describe the sudden transition in Wouldn’t You Like as a “pull”. It’s so accurate. 4. Why did Hermes help Odysseus? Well he was sent by the gods, as he said, “to send a message”, cuz he’s also the god of messages, and it’s not in their plan to let Odysseus die here, or be turned into a pig. BTW Hermes was the great-grandfather of Odysseus, so it’s certainly for free. 5. I love the way you’re asking Odysseus to ask questions first. Cuz bro, that’s his issue alright 😂 6. Can’t wait to see you get ~~traumatized~~ by the Underworld Saga (you didn’t see anything~)

[@jenise21]

In the beginning of Puppeteer, the chords do in fact come from Full Speed Ahead. They're from the part where Odysseus sings, "Give me 'til sunrise, and if we don't return, then 600 men can make this whole place burn."

[@Forrest-wv5nf]

“Don’t worry circes got you” she said that while looking and holding a nymph, she wasn’t referring to the men, but to her nymphs

[@Binny_MK]

I love how flirty Hermes character voice is! Also gigi's interpretation of Circe is by far my favorite. The movement in their animation during the chorus (No I'm not a player I'm a Puppeteer, No I do not play I Puppeteer, yeah) is always so fun to watch and makes me smile.

[@briar-rosethecrazy5839]

I love the fact that Hermes just dismisses mortality, because that’s just not something he ever has or will have to deal with

[@ezraabbadon5082]

If i remember correctly, Hermes is Odysseuses grandfather or something like that. Hes pretty chill and he's almost always the one to help travelers and adventurers without asking much in return

[@jesuschristbutafab9923]

Puppeteer was basically just that one tumblr post of "Booby trap? I mean, yeah, id fall into a trap if i saw boobs."

[@officialmortius]

This is one of the funniest comments I’ve ever received thank you

[@jesuschristbutafab9923]

@@officialmortius what's funnier is the OG post was about the Scooby-Doo Gang

[@Fruity_one]

Hey Mortius! About how you could handle the underworld saga.. idk.. Jorge made a watch party yesterday (It include subtitles, irl video, animatic parts, and notes on what's happening on the scene) the thing is, he privated it, but there's people who have reuploaded it so could still watch it

[@Emimilliemoo]

I was just thinking this would be the best way to do it and possibly do full animatics later

[@ChaiZie]

About the underworld saga-I’d be more than happy to see two videos, one with just the songs, and the other with the animatics. I’ve been listening to the underworld saga non-stop, and I can’t imagine making you wait to listen to them yourself.

[@kittykatyoongi7153]

The genuine best thing about Epic is that Jorge made sure that all the character had very distinct "flavors" from each other. He swirls said flavors so perfectly with each over the songs of Epic. It's truly so beautiful.

[@boomgirlbucko]

Actually the guitar part in the beginning is in fact Full Speed Ahead. But its for this part, "Give me till sunrise, and if we dont return, then 600 men can make this whole place burn!"

[@drayiskewl]

Puppeteer is one of those songs that grows on you the more and more you listen to it. I enjoy it greatly lol

[@officialmortius]

Absolutely happened to me!

[@Croakersilent]

I am so glad someone else saw the potentially dangerous side of Hermes, in purely his tone and how the song goes. He seems so much like a cat about to pounce, but he’s playing with his food. It’s such a good way to do a layer back god without discounting their power

[@AereliaOfTheCrows]

You can tell that gigi has really upped her animatics game since her earlier ones. The camera work in this one, the little effects, tons of growth. And also Hermes, quit flirting with your grandson!

[@Ansixilus]

I'm reminded of how Zeus shows up no less than six times in Hercules' ancestor tree. It's really not uncommon for gods to... not pay terribly close attention to how distantly they're related to a lover. That's a mortal-only restriction (lookin at you, Oedipus).

[@RoseSiren-nq7kr]

Yeah, Hermes, stop flirting with your grandson! Flirt with me instead!

[@yoannbelleville7763]

Hermes is actually one of the few gods who help out mortals just because he likes them and want to see how far they can go. Also, Odysseus is one of his descendants, so he's kinda playing favorites here.

[@alexeysimushov4971]

It was always my dream to have Greek mythology themed musical and I can’t believe that I actually got this. I’m so happy for everyone. I always wanted to come in this in the previous Epic related videos. And without a spoilers, I would say that I’m mostly excited for wisdom saga given from what I saw from the snippets. But I would say my favorite song in the saga is second because Hermes is just so… I don’t know how to explain it, but I just like him. Honestly, honestly, I don’t want to spoil anything but it always gets better with each saga

[@GleamDrawz]

Hermes is just ✨ He has the 🕺PamPam💃 still don't know if that word is negative or positive or if I even used it grammatically correct

[@sunnysunsins]

May i interest you in Hadestown then? 2 greek myths rolled into 1 story in a funky New Orleans style jazzy package

[@alexeysimushov4971]

@@sunnysunsins thank you

[@oceanowl39725]

Funfact: there are already finished animatics 😂 and it has just been 5 days And: the 'ooooohh' in the end are not hermes, that is Odysseus after he took the Moly and started to glow (got the power)

[@wolfie182]

Did you know that Eurilichus is Penelope's brother, making him Odysseus's brother-in-law? That's what I've heard at least

[@catherinecao4810]

He also married Odysseus’ sister.

[@wolfie182]

@@catherinecao4810 wow. You learn something new everyday

[@АннаНикулкина-п3т]

for some reason, I find out everything about this musical spontaneously. I just found this channel with reactions to the songs today, and it's very cool (because none of my friends are fans of this musical, and I get some kind of reaction and emotions at least like this, wow) and right now I find out that the next reaction will be released today. I'm probably lucky.(I'm sorry if something is unclear, I translated it with the help of a translator)

[@Ekami-chan]

Puppeteer and Circe's voice are so amazing, one of my favourite songs definitely with Circe's lyrics and simple dual meaning of "Circe's got you now." :D Also damn that "wouldn't you like" animator was good making Hermes slightly unnerving with feeding the flower to Odysseus and not showing his eyes, that's good. :D

[@elsie8757]

Hermes having "Cheshire Cat vibes" wait omg you're so right-

[@BambooStalks26]

It's quite simple actually, Odysseus' cost for power was starring in Herme's rad music video.

[@dorothygale9648]

Do you member the gummies that Hermes gave Percy before he set out in Sea of Monsters? Those were supposed to parallel the medicine Hermes gave Odysseus in the Odyssey. They work slightly differently there, just making the person who takes it immune to Circe's magic. Jay, though, had other ideas..... Also, Hermes is Odysseus's great-grandfather, so he might just assume his relative is doing him a solid.

[@FunSizedJJ]

There may not be animatics for them yet, but the underworld saga IS out. I highly recommend checking out the songs anyway. You can always go back and see the animatics for those later.

[@PM-ov9sg]

There nothing to worry about Hermes thing is just randomly showing up and giving heroes stuff so they can win at something it just something he likes doing in his free time.

[@matalvis]

From what i remember Hermes is one of the few generous gods in the Greek pantheon. For the most part its delivering messages to heroes and gods, or using humans to outwit other gods for fun. If there is one Greek god unlikely to screw you over, its Hermes. Being the patron of stuff like travelers, poets, sports, trade, Hermes has the most contact with humanity.

[@ghostsurfer23]

Ha, you picked the two animatics I did for my animatic playlist of every song. Love it. The "A woman." "...what?" exchange is probably my most-quoted line when trying to explain the tone of Epic to people. It's so good. And yes, Hermes is a revelation. There's a Hermes song from later in the musical called 'Dangerous' that exists purely in demo form, with the vocals half by this singer and half by Jorge that is incredibly popular. There are a couple flawless animatics for it already. This musical is, heh, a godsend. Personally I'd rather you wait for animatics. I like the fully blind reaction. Plus since the visuals are purely fan interpretation at this point I would say they come secondary to the music, but I still want you to view both on the same playing field. There's only three songs on Underworld and there are already animatics popping up, so it shouldn't be too too long of a wait. Hope that helps! We love you, Big M!

[@shoyouhinata9816]

The underworld saga just got released, im so excited for you to react to it, i started CRYING im not even kidding, good luck 😭

[@kenzieabner-gl5po]

okay same, i was having the feels during all of the songs but especially the Underworld 😭

[@anabsolnamednyx899]

Wait it's out?!

[@shoyouhinata9816]

​@@anabsolnamednyx899 yesssss , hope you enjoyyy

[@alisond929]

@@anabsolnamednyx899 yep it released on Friday.

[@beasedits]

28:00 just a heads up the "oohh" part is sang by Odesseus and he starts singing the moment that he eats the flower (I also thought it was Hermes until I watched a video of Jorge)

[@Ace-ace-baby]

Odysseus is a trickster at heart and in Hermes, not only being the god of messengers, is also the god of tricksters and was maybe (probably) derived from an old version of pan, Hermes is an ancestor of Odysseus and so it makes sense that Hermes would help, I love your reaction and this video was so fun to watch, I'm just a mythology nerd with bad grammar😅 have an amazing day/night :)

[@kentkyrieST]

I realized that we should also support Jorge rivera-herrans because he's the creator of the whole epic the musical

[@DrakeDragonton]

I love how it says “reaction and analysis” when in reality it’s just a guy listening to music he likes and exclaiming about the quality of the music. Not that much real analysis. I hope you do this series for the rest of the musical as it relaeases, I love the series.

[@XxAgeofLovexX]

Just to let you know, the only reason why Hermes does help him is because he is related to him. Hermes is Odysseus's great grandpa.

[@Ansixilus]

Not the *only*. He's also a bitter ex of Circe, so he'd want to spite her.

[@yay29823]

Also, Hermes is known for randomly helping greek heros in their journeys

[@sillystuff-4k]

🗡️🌊🔱 Percy Jackson fan here! You said how the Hermes part wasn't in Percy Jackson. 😊 Actually, it is. Hermes gives the multivitamins that counter Circe's magic! Just like he did here with the flower!

[@officialmortius]

OH MY GOSH I completely forgot about the multivitamins part! I think this means it’s time for another re-read of the series, or at least Sea of Monsters 😆

[@RichrobArtYT]

@@officialmortius YEP. Though I'm fine with that. I can read it as many times as you want!

[@oryza_1973]

I'm actually pretty sure Odysseus is the one singing the 'woah's over top of the chorus in wouldnt you like, based on the voice - everyone just seems to draw it as Hermes for some reason

[@Msshyn11]

I do love how in Wouldn't You Like? Hermes as many other animatics he's slightly flirty with Odysseus (His great-grandson, mind you.) Due to him being all playful and all, as well as him dancing with him, was kinda teasing? In a way.

[@leadingblind1629]

I'm still not convinced you Lawrence a Troy doppelganger because you have made me think of Hermes ever since the music video came out. Also Be HURT or BEAT HER. The phonetic coincidence of this lyric is just so satisfying !!!!!

[@bearhugzfam649]

I actually have a crazy strong preference for how you handle reactions moving forward. Join the watch parties. Record your reaction. Then, yeah, a few weeks/couple of months later, do the animatic reactions too in your normal format and deep dive into the music and such. Listen to it as much as you want in the meantime so you can really hear and appreciate all the little details, and comment on them in your reaction, but yeah. Definitely 100%, join the watch parties with us. It's like the whole recording vs live performance vibe, there's so much energy and hype with the launch and I want you to be able to enjoy that. Honestly I want to see your reaction to it as well 'cause it's overwhelming in a good way, and honestly? It feels Just Wrong to be part of a community that values art and humanity and is so wholesome and loving, and yet we're gonna deny you a place there at threat of your income? Lol no. So yeah, unfiltered reaction to the live launch, then in depth professional not-blind reaction to the songs a while later when the animatics are out. We get the best of both worlds (moreso than we do now, arguably, because we get blind reactions as well as in depth analytical commentary which we don't get as much rn, and you get to properly enjoy the community you're now a part of. I *really* want that.

[@GleamDrawz]

I second this!! I joined the watch party for the first time ever when the underworld dropped and I was so excited, I genuinely gasped in excitement when REDACTED said REDACTED and REDACTED continued REDACTING until REDACTILUNI took the REDACTOIS and REDACTED reacted REDACTED Hehe im so excited for mortius to react to that part

[@bearhugzfam649]

@@GleamDrawz OMG RIGHT?! But also tell me that a post watch party wind down and discuss in like a channel chat or something wouldn't be amazing. Like Mortius and fans chillin in the chat sharing our trauma and hype xD I'd pay for that.

[@GleamDrawz]

@@bearhugzfam649 omg yessss! The perfect world lmao Reacting with other people who are super into epic on the details of the songs would be so amazing 😭

[@CHOSHASHI]

Exactlyyy i wish the listening parties didnt remove the second jay turns off the live, then mortius could just watch it right now without having to wait for animatics if he wants to see what is vissually happening

[@loftydabird54]

The only thing about that is that he wouldn't be able to pause or replay any of it so if he mishears something, he can't go back

[@Snorreeey]

fun fact Circe's movement in puppeteer was referenced from Gigi's herself, like she took lots of lots of videos of herself to animate Circe's movement

[@officialmortius]

Oh that’s such a fun fact!

[@zlka9566]

Fun fact. When Odysseus says "Of that I'm sure" in his talk with Eurylochus in "Pupeteer", you can hear the melody from " Luck runs out" in the background

[@Urlocalbadomen]

In the beginning of puppeteer the harp(?) is playing the tune of "watch where the birds fly, they will lead us to land. There we'll hunt for food my second in command" 4:53

[@bertfrrozu]

Hermes in Epic is my the most favourite character. He's so silly, can't wait to see him later

[@VictoriaStarratt]

if you do decide to do animatics for the Underworld Saga, you *HAVE* to do NS2D's version of "No Longer You"

[@falcoskywolf]

Fun thing about the fact that you mentioned the Cheshire Cat with Hermes: the story of Alice's Adventures In Wonderland is partially inspired BY The Odyssey- the name Alice itself is derived from the Latin version of Odysseus, Ulysses.

[@yf-n7710]

5:00 It is from Full Speed Ahead. It's actually used a few times, and I think the two following times are better matches: "Watch where the birds fly, they will lead us to land, there we'll hunt for food my second in command" and "Polites gear up, you and I'll go ahead, we should try to find a way no-one ends up dead"

[@vickyvicky-nf8xr]

Just another fact for Wouldn't You Like! At 2:28 when Hermes is singing the chorus, ODYSSEUS is making the "ohh" note :3

[@kaneconqueror6560]

It's weirdly wholesome how great-grandpa Hermes hears his descendent is having problems and drops in to encourage him and lend a bit of a hand. Not solving all the problems, but adding weight to Odysseus's side of the scale to tip things just a bit more in his favor. Also, everyone trusts the mailman. If there was any Greek god to accept a gift from without worrying to much about strings attached, it's Hermes.

[@justprettyshort]

Fun fact! When you see hermes, the person that flew in the tree that has slippers w wings in the clip of puppeteer, you can hear harps! Its hermes' motif, or signature instrument as jorge calls them also, it shows that hermes was listening on them, as he points that out on wouldnt you like saying "what a wonderful speech you gave" :D Idk if you find that out because i wrote this b4 you reacted to wouldn't you like 😢

[@justprettyshort]

OH MY GOD SOMEONE POITNED IT OUT B4 ME THIS IS SO HUMILIATING IM GOING TO CRY

[@chidori3sasuke5]

The "ooooohhhhhhh"s at the end are actually Odysseus, that JORGE

[@GriffinheartPlays]

Funny myth fact about Hermes, he's Odysseus' great grandpa ^-^ Also being a trickster god, he kinda warned Circe, better drama to see when the two of them can fight

[@deathstrokecat5390]

Always love it when reactors compliment the artist (both song and videos)

[@matty8014]

It makes some sense Odysseus doesn't question Hermes Hermes is Odysseus' great grandfather

[@Ansixilus]

Here's a fun fact that I *haven't* seen a dozen and one other commenters all provide: the holy moley joke isn't actually just a bit of silliness. The actual name of the flower, from the original myth, is moley. The fact that the phrase "Holy Mary" evolved into "holy moly" (I don't get how Molly is a nickname for Mary, but whatever) is a funny coincidence that Jorge took advantage of. Also, best guesses for the real plant that inspired mythic moley is the snowdrop, which is why in various media such as Neil Gaiman's Stardust, snowdrops can protect you from magic.

[@thecottageofcuriosities863]

Dude frfr you need to look into Troy (hermes) content, one a FANTASTIC musician, but also Hermes has just, become a constant character in his videos and its so funny

[@elmitchell3843]

‘accessibility is more important than some slight spoilers’ as a hoh person i legit thank you sm YESSS

[@cassievibes1253]

The first few notes actually is exactly like “…. there we’ll hunt for food, my second in command. Now full speed ahead”

[@i-will-bite]

"Odyssues, buddy!..." yes, that's right there. That's the exact emotion you are doomed to have again and again. Please, Odysseus, I'm begging you! (i say like the tragedy can have another end)

[@bluebbq3267]

You aren’t ready for the underworld saga prepare yourself

[@PaletteoPastel]

The vocalist of Hermes is Troy Doherty. He makes other music and I absolutely love his voice too!

[@beggar6042]

I absolutely love Hermes singer, and the fact that his music is so... different from the rest, like every god has a their own theme, and the charisma just sells it so well. Major Bard energy.

[@s4ad0wpi]

Eurlochys: "But this was a hell of a twist, 'cause we are weak to a power like this" Odysseus: "What was it?" Eurlochys: "A woman!" Mortius: *fucking dies*

[@d4rkdivine5805]

4:46 just noticed but that’s the motif that played when Odysseus and polities entered Polyphemus’s island, indicating them entering the similar dangers and unknown foes of a new island.

[@riduanaqil1452]

5:20 that is from Full Speed Ahead. To be exact, its the line "I'll make sure no one ends up dead"