Weathering a Class 20 - Chopper DISASTER! - Proper Mucked

[@FormallyknownasE100]

Phew. What a recovery / game of two halves. I personally would be pretty proud of the result.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Thank you mate, it was touch and go there for a wee bit!

[@JerseyBill-x9r]

"Live and learn" goes the adage and in the end, you saved it so hats off to you. The locomotive looks great and has the look of a well work soldier in the winter of its live. I commend you for bearing your sole and showing your blunders and it is refreshing to see. Great video, Jersey Bill

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Thanks for the encouragement, JB - It's not always pretty work, and it does sometimes feel like I shouldn't even be trying! But a response like this makes it all worth it. Thank you my friend. You continue to be a huge source of support for me.

[@IronHorseRailways]

Hyl😅ton my boy, some tips for you when weathering: 1) use a few reference photos, you don't need to copy it exactly but take note of where and how the real life article weathers down, helps massively! 2) Air Brush, I NEVER use mine anymore for weathering - but if you do, use Acrylics, lower pressure, and test the flow on your pallet / dry brush box first - layer it up, let it dry or tacky up before the next layer, built it slowly - your issue was you were too close and put too much paint on to begin with - but there CAN be a good way to get a wash base down! 3) BR Green is a difficult shade to weather, black doesn't show so well, I find fading the paint first a bit helps aid contrasting later on. 3) iPA - fine for Acrylic, not for lacquer, use spirits/turps etc SPARINGLY if you have to go back... 4) use matt varnish, yes gloss can aid with wash and capillary action, but the matt finish always looks nicer I find 5) keep going, try different methods- weathering powders are excellent! Take care mate!

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Craig, I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your suggestions here mate. It means a lot mate. I really tried to copy a fellow modellers C20 on this, and as you say, reference images are so important. What would you use to fade the paint on BR green by the way? I need to try some weathering powders at some point. Thank you again, I've noted down all what you've shared and will definitely keep them in mind the next time I walk down this treacherous path. Keep well my friend.

[@IronHorseRailways]

@Proper_Chuffed no worries, mate! There's loads of ways to fade BR Green, powders Is one, paint is another, air brush etc Have a look at night shift modelling he does some good stuff!

[@Proper_Chuffed]

@@IronHorseRailways Done and done! Cheers Craig.

[@JPoulAndersson]

I think you did a pretty good job though Hylton. Weathering is an art and has to be learned through practice. You’re on the right road! Joachim

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Thank you Joachim, I appreciate that my friend. As you say, learned through practice, and it's important to be able to move on and not be bogged down with bad feelings. Thank you for the kind comment mate

[@themodeltrainshop174]

Don't be despondent McLoyd, it came out ok. Better than ok. More importantly, lots of lessons learned, great save and you showed most of us not to be scared of mistakes and persevere.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Thanks for your encouragement, I appreciate it! It's all part of the process I suppose, appreciate you Rinks.

[@3BRail-xw9kb]

Nice save Hylton, the final outcome is great. Very inspiring of you to to show us this, what you can still achieve when you persevere and don't panic when things don't go according to plan. Well done my friend. Kind regards, Bill

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Thanks Bill, it was a close call. 😅 I was at my wits end for a bit there. Glad I didn’t record my facial expressions! Indeed, not quite the outcome I had hoped for, but I’m happy enough with it. Keep well my friend

[@Kilnline]

Hylt, you took Proper Mucked from the jaws of Proper F****d! Well done on pulling this loco back from the brink. We all have these stressful situations which catch us unaware and you managed to pull it off even with the curve ball. Love how the grime makes the Class 20 look heavily worn, even maybe something which has been pushed to its limit during the autumn and winter months.

[@Jhc421]

Hylton, my respect and admiration for your commitment to your craft only grows. Not every hobbist would show their missteps and to me that speaks a great deal. The final product looks bloody awesome in my opinion, looks proper grungy for your Whiskey train. :) Keep up the great work. -Jack

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Hey Jack, I appreciate you saying that, a little bit of “character” adds to the realism, I reckon. And I do try and convey the 'warts and all' aspect of my work. Thank you, I am pleased with the final result and a comment like this definitely encourages me to pick up the brush again as it were. Keep well mate. Hylt

[@dinmorejunctionmodelrailway]

Nice one. Hylton. Turned out great. I'm impressed.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Thank you Steve, nearly bottled it! 😂 thanks for watching my friend. Ps. Stop sending me eBay links to Class 37s, you’re going to bankrupt me. 😏 (also I’m kidding, never stop!)

[@dinmorejunctionmodelrailway]

@Proper_Chuffed Apart from the end result, your thoughts and honesty about your progress make this informative to those who have yet to start their own weathering projects.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

@ thank you Steve. I’m glad, and hope it helps someone not make the same silly mistakes!

[@dinmorejunctionmodelrailway]

@Proper_Chuffed Show me the person who doesn't make mistakes, and I'll show you someone held back by their own mind.

[@drewsmodelrailwayworld4856]

Well saved Hylton, don't be so hard on yourself the result looks amazing, although not something I think I'll be taking on, any projects I've tried usually end up worse, so apart from factory weathered locos my fleet will remain pristine and safe from my ineptitude :) ...Drew

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Thanks Drew! I’ve got a lot to learn, glad you liked the outcome though. 👌 I totally get where you are coming from regarding not touching locos. I plan to eventually weather most of the fleet, but need to learn to be a little less heavy handed. Keep well mate, Hylt

[@NewModelRailway1]

I can't comment on air brushing because I don't own one and I intend to keep it that way. I like what you've done and props for persevering with it and showing us the ups and the downs all the way through the process.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Hey mate, indeed, airbrushing is a bit of a big change, I grew up mostly using brushes so this fairly new territory for me. Thanks for watching, appreciate your thoughts :) Hylt

[@LyntreeTown20132]

end result looks good - very worrying when things go wrong but even more satisfying when u get it back

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Absolutely, as you say, thankfully I was able to save it somewhat, trial and error! 😂🤙 thank you for watching

[@owentorres2389]

If you can get it, Tamiya acrylic thinner is amazing at removing mistakes without harming the factory paint provided you don’t scrub it too much or let the mistake cure. It’ll even work on some enamels before they fully cure. And, most importantly, it won’t melt the plastic.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

That is a top tip, thank you! We havent yet had our Tamiya stock banned in SA, so readily available here. I will endeavour to grab a pot. Thank you again.

[@little_britain]

I think the end result was excellent - and it was actually more inspiring than numerous other videos, because it shows how you can end up all right even if you screw up along the way. I suggest you check out Mouldy Raspberry for one of his steam weathering videos. He is truly good at it, and has very good videos.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

You know what, I agree, it's not all about perfection, it's about learning from mistakes and making it work. I have seen a lot of his work and genuinely, started weathering as a result of his work. Thank you for your thoughts mate, as always, appreciate it.

[@David-cq2mz]

Hi McHylton…I was a spray painter to trade ,now retired….a few little words of advice,don’t take them the wrong way ….possibly have a test panel at the side before painting the subject….just to see what the viscosity is like of the paint,also just helps hone your spray technique before you start…..also sometimes be very light on coats ,take time to build it up then you can see if your happy before it all blasts out in one go.Alawys test products on a hidden piece or doner piece. It’s all practice McHlyton….dont be put off …we all have to learn….. I think as a whole you probably got away with that one……keep going.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@Proper_Chuffed]

McDavid, wow now you’re a handy bloke for stuff like this. 😂👌 I genuinely cannot thank you enough for that solid feedback. All of it has been sorted and filed under the weathering section in my brain. I will do better next time. And again. Thank you. Have a Irn Bru for me eh?

[@jackstrains4468]

Looks great hylt, love the weathering, im definately gonna have a go someday!

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Have a go Jack. If I can, you can!

[@StarWarsJay]

Hey mate. I still got to get me a class 20. Great machine.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

You really do… hmm about that…

[@StarWarsJay]

@ 😂😂😂😂you’re good man. I fancy a blue br new tooled one anyway. Jadlam have them, but out of stock right now. I’ll grab one soon.

[@doubleodave]

I really like it mate, when you first painted the wash on the roof you must have thought the world was ending 😂😂😂 I’d happily buy that model 👍 On a side note I also had issues airbrushing black wash when I did one, I found higher pressure helped but just pulling back less on the trigger for less paint. It certainly didn’t come out as nice as the railmatch paints.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Cheers Davey, I was clenching for a good while there 😂 It’s yours mate, for around £250 plus postage 😌 I definitely didn’t change my technique but I think I overcooked it on the thinners tbh. Stay hydrated.

[@russellbenton2987]

Braver man than me Hylt . I think it looks pretty good , the gloss panel on the body does not look out of place at all .

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Thanks Rus, a terrifying experience in many regards, once I saw that roof I switched off the camera and took a long walk 😂 thank you, yes I thought it may pass as a faded or chipping panel of paint? As always, appreciate you watching and commenting

[@stephendavies6949]

I doff my cap to you for showing us the "warts & all" process. I recognise the "sinking feeling", not in respect of weathering, but in repairing & maintenance activities! I'm in no position to offer any advice, only to say Mouldy Raspberry always seems to make a good job of weathering, IMO. It didn't look too bad by the time you'd finished, to be fa8r.

[@PNMotorsportGamesAndTrains]

Looks great. I only tend to weather my older cheaper models. Not brave enough with my expensive ones. (Especially a certain A3). Ones I've done are a couple of caley pugs and a tender drive Mallard. Did do a railroad Scotsman but that had an accident. D'ohh.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Hey mate, I think that's a really solid way to get going with weathering, use stuff you wouldn't be heartbroken with if you mess up. I love the approach. Thanks for watching :)

[@PNMotorsportGamesAndTrains]

@Proper_Chuffed I only use weathering powders so I can wash it off with a wet wipe if I'm not happy with it, which happens a lot. The Mallard I weathered is it's 2nd attempt. 1st attempt I did a video, second it was a short. Got to redo the tender though. Shame in reality Mallard doesn't move to get proper dirty.

[@PNMotorsportGamesAndTrains]

Well at the moment anyway. May try dry brushing soon too. Currently though it's messing around with HM7000 decoders.

[@jeffreysmith156]

Videos are sometimes all the better for showing mistakes as well as victories. Otherwise, it can all look so easy and slick. I think the end result is pretty good if weathering is your thing. I once tried to improve the running of a China-made Hornby loco by adjusting the pick-ups. When I reversed the model one pick-up became mangled. Every step I took made things worse. Eventually I removed the motor to make it a dummy. Even then, a while later the chassis mysteriously locked so I gave the model away as a static model. Maybe the chassis would have locked anyway but it has made me more wary of tinkering unless it is absolutely necessary. Another clanger is to rush ahead with dismantling and to forget how something went together or for something to move or drop off unexpectedly.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Hello Jeff, thank you mate, I definitely want to show the errors I make, it’s important to know what to do and what not to. It sounds like you had a right tough time with that loco, I’m glad you were able to make something of it. Also a top note on disassembly, we get excited and then we lose track. Appreciate you watching. Keep well mate.

[@emmanuel704]

Finally first on on if you’re videos

[@emmanuel704]

Like a very kind man said there are no mistakes, only happy accidents

[@Proper_Chuffed]

😂🙏 good job! That was quick!

[@NewModelRailway1]

@@emmanuel704 That would be Bob Ross, I believe. He certainly knew a thing or 2 about painting.

[@railwayjade]

Nice save! I am no professional but we used to have an Oomie who did our spray painting work at the Hobby Shop I used to work at. If you are planning to do some more spray painting, with the recent weather, it is better to wait for the air to dry again. Something about the paint going on better. Not sure if thats helpful or not.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Thanks mate, I appreciate the tip, you make a great point about the weather, something I certainly didnt factor into this when griming it up. Keep well Jade.

[@kellypaws]

Hylton, it's - a little severe for my tastes, but I suppose it's whatever you're aiming for. I'd say that most seriously abused locomotives were the steamers in the run out to '67. I'm not sure that a diesel on a distillery line would be treated to the same contempt in use. Bachmann usually stock a lot of spares, including bodies, if you wanted to have a more muted weathering. I think I'd fire that airbrush into the bin and consider something that has a more predictable fine spray. It's not treating you well. But always glad to see an update. All the best for 2025.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Hello Kelly, totally get where you are coming from on this. It does seem perhaps a bit too severe at points. I worked off a reference image of this particular loco and she was looking fairly messy too. Regardless, it's good to know there are options should I wish to reset so to speak. I appreciate your honesty. Keep well and thank you for popping by. Hylt

[@tonyrobinson362]

Look at Mc Kinley Railways, Weathering without airbrush, Excellent job on a Cl31 diesel.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Top shout out Tony, I’ve seen a few of theirs. Thank you my friend

[@tonyrobinson362]

​@Proper_Chuffed No problem, All the best for the coming year.

[@terrigoddard3448]

Looks brilliant for a Scots loco. Dont put youself down.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

Thank you Terri, that's very encouraging and I appreciate it immensely mate. Keep well

[@linesided]

Check out Mouldy Raspberry - this guy has perfected the art of weathering.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

You're so right, his work is really incredible. I am a huge fan of his. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@shakeyhandsshedmodelrailwa2494]

all the weathering videos you see on you tube that look outstanding , ask yourself how many they ****ed up along the way, the best advice i can give on weathering is do 5 hours research and 10 minutes painting working on the less is more ethos , weathering is seldom random look at photos and work to your reference ,,, still looks better than factory fresh though

[@Proper_Chuffed]

You make a great point ShakeyHands, I completely agree with you. I did try my best to replicate a weathering job I had seen on another C20, and I think it came out okay. But you have some good tips there. Keep well mate

[@David-cq2mz]

Hi McHylton…I was a spray painter to trade ,now retired….a few little words of advice,don’t take them the wrong way ….possibly have a test panel at the side before painting the subject….just to see what the viscosity is like of the paint,also just helps hone your spray technique before you start…..also sometimes be very light on coats ,take time to build it up then you can see if your happy before it all blasts out in one go.Alawys test products on a hidden piece or doner piece. It’s all practice McHlyton….dont be put off …we all have to learn….. I think as a whole you probably got away with that one……keep going.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿