RIP Moog, Pro Tools is Really Weird for this, and more (WNN)

[@mont-doggBeats]

Welp, that didnt take long in music, ruined moog in short order...record time even for them

[@briarboy8959]

It’s a damn shame what is happening to MOOG. 😕

[@Dubroar]

It's a damn shame, actually. Moog was so iconic.

[@towerrunner4675]

So inMusic is actually a graveyard, not a company. Thanks for the pointer! 😄

[@jkRatbird]

Thank you so much for featuring Cantor here! ❤❤❤ Have been watching a lot of your videos and super cool to see my own software show up 😂

[@drindy5166]

The Moog news was very sad and very depressing. Sooo unfortunate for all employees that were affected by the changes and layoffs. Later on in the vid "code name chode!!! Lmao" 👊🤣👍 dying over here!!! Hahahaha

[@infinitedurr]

Eventually, Weaver is going to do every video with reverb on the entire time

[@Thinwhiteduke1185]

Welp.. If you're gonna buy Moog, buy used.

[@8eight104]

prices are gonna shoot up for older models

[@Rhythmicons]

Moog Badge wallet rape has been a thing for decades. @@8eight104

[@MattStevens9824]

(sigh) Moog 😢

[@LaghimaMusic]

I actually worked for moog for a bit specifically the Asheville branch and yah it’s a fucking train wreck out there lmao glad I got out when I did

[@Rhythmicons]

Was hoping to see some Moog on your channel. What was your impression of the way MA ran the company?

[@LaghimaMusic]

@@Rhythmicons I think the pay was not adequate for the work done they paid on the low end for what embedded/software engineer are paid and honestly management was very unfriendly and cut throat

[@Rhythmicons]

How long were you there if I may ask? I've been following the company since 2004 so ALL the folks that I knew that worked there were long gone by the time of my second factory visit back in May. @@LaghimaMusic

[@MattPerrin]

Really regretting not buying a cheap Moog Matriarch when I had the chance... Not sure I can justify it now either

[@zdravkodimitrov]

Do it, it's an amazing synth!

[@vanislesam]

I just bought one :D @@zdravkodimitrov

[@BlackMan614]

Getting hard to find. Perfect Circuit and Sweetwater are both out. Maybe moving production of them to Taiwan??

[@entropybentwhistle]

Glad I bought my MiniMoog and Sub 37 a few years back. I wouldn’t trust the quality control at all going forward, if the lines of their decent synths will even exist further on. Kinda sad I never got a chance to get a One, but it’s probably more synth than I would ever need so, not an utter disaster.

[@thomasgreer467]

The MOOG news is heartbreaking. My only consolation will be to watch the value of my original Model D rise.

[@Rhythmicons]

It seems like it's retained it's value rather steadily over the long run, the exception being the post-covid inflation boom, but it seems like inflation can be used to haggle also. Unfortunately so many folks are very happy to see the kinds of Moog Badge wallet rape that's been going on just so their personal holdings will increase in value.

[@kingech_B15]

These music companies are going for the One world government model.

[@ropeburn6684]

Ah yes, InMusic, the EA of the music industry.

[@beckoning-chasm]

I bought my Moog Theremin directly from the man himself. Very nice guy.

[@jamisbillson4872]

He’s not with us anymore mate.

[@beckoning-chasm]

@@jamisbillson4872 This was many, many years ago.

[@PortervilleMusicSociety]

Been a daily fan of both chans for almost a month now. I love to hear these critiques and analysis, great content and editing, thank you.

[@worldofcyn]

Same here

[@JacobLethalBeats]

love these vids dude. keep it up!

[@BoDiddly]

Hey! There is nothing wrong with using GIMP! I use it all of the time! I also use Blender instead of Adobe Premier. *Pop Pop*

[@joesalyers]

Open Source!!! The only way to get software when its good software!!

[@towerrunner4675]

I'm also using GIMP and Blender. Simple, effective, for free.

[@joesalyers]

@@towerrunner4675 Also Kdenlive works on Windows and has an Intel Mac Version that can run in Rosetta which is a good video editor. I mostly use Macs for audio production because of Logic. But if I have PC the get Linux. I've always enjoyed the open source community and they have made some real progress over the last 5 years so hopefully in the future I can switch entirely but for now I'm still just a worm in an Apple. 🍎🪱

[@rosslansberg6323]

That noise at the end 😅😂I was honestly thinking of making that noise and sampling it. The closest beat box noise I can try everything else just sounds like someone spitting and making grunting noises😅 you made that noise whilst speaking in a recent video, I was laughing but also sparked inspiration

[@jfrankcarr]

Moog/Inmusic is really going counter to the current trend in North American manufacturing. Many companies are reshoring after dealing with supply chain issues for years now as well as the instability due to the potential China/Taiwan conflict. I hope the laid off Moog employees will find new work soon.

[@scamculture]

Weaver vids always drop at the perfect time

[@SpeezyOTB]

I feel like ProTools is only maintained a bit of relevancy because they struck a deal in the early days to get their software into schools. I’ve talk to older engineers that stand by it being the best choice for live audio but the truth is every daw literally sounds the same with the only difference being the algorithm for the in-house plug-ins. I remember building my home studio a few years ago, I wanted to buy ProTools, but found out they moved to subscription only but at this point FL studio is all I really need.

[@maplefoxx6285]

yea it's pretty cringe same with their notation software Sibelius, Muse Score 4 blows it out of the ocean now. I would never use pro tools or Sibelius both.

[@zackbarker9615]

love it bud thanks!

[@gldnsnlt37]

Sad News for my hometown of Asheville. 🙏 to all the people who live here who lost their jobs.

[@aqueous5099]

Products being made in China isn’t the issue. Most products, even higher end luxury, are outsourced. The issue is that they will use the cheaper labor costs to cut corners as much as possible. The corporation could easily maintain the quality with a proper funding and development model, while still benefitting from significantly reduced costs. But they won’t, because profit is put over quality with these fools. I just hate that people use China as the scapegoat when it’s OUR companies who set the standard. China simply supplies what these clowns demand. I feel so sorry for the former employees though. It was purely passion for much of them. Unions are very important for labor protection. Unchecked corporate boards are so damned exploitative. If actual musicians, synth designers, and syth enthusiasts had a say, we’d sacrifice so much to honor the brand’s legacy and what it means to the community. At the same time, if they turn to selling digital products, they are beyond dead. They are not competing with the competition, not even in ten years, they will be a step behind and second rate. They better be cooking up something exceptional that carries the weight of Moog’s legacy or they’re done. Man, why did Moog have to sell out to THEM of all entities. One of the worst decisions in music business history HANDS DOWN.

[@Rhythmicons]

Yeah, it's the bidding that gets our products super cheap because Americans want quality and affordability. They don't consider that paying a few pennies more for things like clothes could result in profound changes to factory safety over there. Capitalism doesn't make things better, only cheaper.

[@akeyunturned2256]

Yeah and heard they’re changing the name to Moog-oo-gai-pan. 😊

[@Luap-ls3ix]

and the "OG moog" resale market just went up even more 😂

[@maximrueegger]

Your jokes are on point in this one!

[@beatjuggernauts]

Moog has officially become Behringer Jr. thanks to InMusic.

[@titovalasques]

Oh dear! 🙄 As bad as you might think Behringer is it’s not a publicly traded company (not yet anyway). This is an important detail because it’s the reason for the Moog layoffs and moving to cheaper production overseas in this case. Their shareholders and board of directors EXPECT a return on their investment in the form of either dividends or bonuses. If you’ve kept an eye on the gaming industry lately you would have seen a similar development with the Unity game engine. If Behringer was as bad, they wouldn’t have passed their savings onto the customer the way they do now. At least that’s a plus.

[@new.romance999]

From Behringer Premium to Behringer Jr

[@ShitStaindGod]

Behringer but four times the cost.

[@JayfkProductions876]

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 Sir? Sir? Yes Sir plz give your phone here & go to the naughty corner 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[@Rhythmicons]

By shareholders you mean Mike Adams. @@titovalasques

[@ObscureMachines]

Affinity Designer/Photo good Adobe alternative

[@marc942]

Ooooo the Ableton for old people giving bitterness 😂

[@SynthfulDuck]

Wasn't Sophie known for her skills with elektron drum machines? Yeah, completely related to protools.

[@MrAldafox]

*his

[@crnkmnky]

​@@MrAldafox This is your first comment on the channel? What a loser. 🥱

[@justsomeguywhocommentsonev4741]

@@MrAldafoxdon’t be that person

[@MrAldafox]

@@justsomeguywhocommentsonev4741 😅

[@thomaswallas3489]

So angry about Moog. These inMusic people know the price of everything, but the value of nothing.

[@vincewatson_official]

The Moog situation is slightly being skewed. The company was basically days from bankruptcy. InMusic basically bought them as a going concern to try and save the brand name somehow. It was either Moog made in China or no Moog.

[@keomg4718]

also after 9 years of work you get a big bag lol, idk why people cry so much about it, take that golden parachute an invest or something old man

[@livertiny]

Somehow I doubt a huge conglomerate with a shady past bought a classic brand with extreme name recognition out of the goodness of their hearts. I mean Capitalism basically dictates that you say your investment is a self-less humanitarian mission rather than a cash grab. Cuz PR is a thing. I choose to believe workers over billionaires though. I guess I just relate more to that side of the struggle.

[@livertiny]

​@@keomg4718eish that's pretty heartless Not trying to assume anything here but have you ever gotten laid off? If you have actually experienced getting laid off, maybe you had a great experience where your company took care of you, but that's not what InMusic seems to be doing. I side with the workers over the millionaires.

[@vincewatson_official]

@@livertiny I never mentioned anything about their intentions. They saw an opportunity to save the brand name and make money from that. That's it.

[@livertiny]

@@vincewatson_official okay I misinterpreted your post as low-key defending InMusic, because they definitely don't give a fuck about Moog. They just want to squeeze cash out of a brand name that earned it's stellar reputation for doing everything InMusic isn't doing. Edit: I still don't see how the situation is being skewed tho lol.

[@dondanana9573]

hey demon, love the video!

[@katana2seppuku]

Weaver I’m so proud of u, in less than a year you’ve almost doubled ur sub count

[@sponsoredbydart]

this whole rip (insert brand) is giving busyworksbeats vibes

[@gh0stl1k3]

in terms of the spatial audio shit they make it the choice by default when you first get airpods so i believe that’s the reason. spatial audio more than not sucks unless the engineer mixed it in that context.

[@user-lt2rw5nr9s]

3:39 In my opinion, the spatial audio on regular audio equipment sounds like crap. But I do know "8D" remixes are popular, so it's possible listeners are turning it on for a similar effect.

[@mlaws11291]

GZA named his album Pro Tools and Babygrande wasn't sued to my knowledge

[@GoPyro]

Can We Start A WB Better Trend Until Weaver Hit A Million Subs

[@Weaverbeats]

I'm here for it

[@GregoryAlbright-t3p]

I can't even imagine using anything but FL...

[@AbstractCatsMedia]

Hey, who you callin' OLD, sonny?!?

[@OrdinaryOneOfficial]

Pop pop. People that are convinced Gimp is just as good as Photoshop and/or Affinity haven't actually used them.

[@fischergreen4134]

My moog mother and DFam have just become retro kit and investments 👍

[@triplebeam23]

So glad I purchased my matriarch last month .. last of the hand built synthesizers

[@zackcolbourne6921]

Can't wait to sell my Moog Mavis for $12,000 in two years.

[@SRDhain]

Having owned different moog Voyagers at different times with different issues, i hope the ' fresh out of the box' quality control had improved in the last deacde before this takeover. I'm assuming it did, as their catalogue of products had become sizeable, including the rebuilt classic modulars, all of which will now hopefully become great investments I can remember ringing them up directly when needing tech support and was put through to mike adams and amos gaines. Both were super helpful and very friendly. My issue was resolved within a week, via them having the then U.K distributor (arbiter, IIRC), swap my unit out for a new one; that's what i call superb customer service.

[@richardjameswinter7642]

Affinity Photo is a photoshop alternative.

[@DJSockmonkeyMusic]

I'm working on a literal trash fire.

[@shanithezimhoni]

2:20 they had the chance to shoot the bastard and call it self defense

[@vasoskyriakides]

Afinity photo is the best photoshop alternative and its around 100 bucks, almost identical to photoshop actually

[@titovalasques]

I moved on to Affinity more than 7 years ago and I’m definitely not missing the monthly subscription.

[@AnDrew-oh5uq]

If you work at a place and they take away your pizza party,,,,,,,,,,, Yo ass corporate now RIP MOOG

[@JayfkProductions876]

Cyberpunk 2077 Has Keaunu Reeves and Idris Elba pretty sure they could afford Grimes lol even frickin Sasha Grey is in it lol maaaaaan

[@Rhythmicons]

All but two lines were canned. Which Lines? I suspected the Modulars were going to really be the first line to go when Gene Stopp passed away, since he was the most experienced there and was responsible for the Vocoder too. So the Model D and the One then? But that doesn't even make sense to keep the Model D given the prevalence of the aftermarket. So what lines then?

[@PhantomStrange]

this was a very special episode

[@PhantomStrange]

I would say more but I had to sign an NDA

[@buckycore]

Affinity Photo isn't too bad. And Affinity Designer is actually way more fun that Illustrator. But yes. I agree. Most competition for Adobe products suck ass. Also, they do the subscription model because Adobe products were the most pirated software ever

[@xlilxillx]

i always use spacial audio (without headtracking) with my apple airpods pro. the bass fucking slaps it's honestly amazing

[@jloiben12]

Can someone explain to me why Moog building products in America is… relevant to anything at all related to music?

[@random_meteor]

I think it's because Moog builds MUSIC products.

[@jloiben12]

@@random_meteor Are the all-caps supposed to mean something in particular?

[@Rhythmicons]

I guess it is similar to CZ buying Colt, which was an iconic American brand.

[@random_meteor]

@@jloiben12 you asked so nicely for an explanation I thought I could help you out. Can't help (that I'm)stupid I guess 💁

[@jloiben12]

@@random_meteor … Oh. So you were actually serious. I was hoping there was something about “MUSIC” being in all caps that meant something. But apparently it doesn’t. Which is disappointing because it means your statement is irrelevant. I guess hoping that you can actually respond to my comment is asking for too much from you

[@theorize999]

affinity photo and affinity designer are great adobe alternatives, screw adobe i can’t stand greed they never got a sub from me

[@Bumper210]

+1 mate, I hate subscribtion model so much, that I use Affinity Designer and Photo all the time and I love it, the only Adobe PS and Illustrator alternatives worth the money IMO

[@titovalasques]

✊Right with you there!!

[@noelbreitenbach8673]

Hell yeah dude

[@flywittzbeats4008]

Anyone know if it was a hostile acquisition? This is incredibly fu**ed.

[@jamisbillson4872]

Very sad. Moog shouldn’t have had to sell up. They sell enough gear to be profitable. This is so wrong.

[@dylanlockemp3]

awesome

[@jamisbillson4872]

This is like if Ferrari was made by Kia.

[@thikdikriky1559]

Shoutout to koala sampler for showing up for us android folks

[@soularslaps]

"soo, they basically made Ableton for old people" hahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahah

[@sourceeee]

I’ve always pronounced moog like a cow saying moo

[@beatsNonStop]

Sweetwater has the best deals for pro tools. Perpetual is 275$ to upgrade your previous perpetual.

[@remyvegamedia]

InMusic is trash trash trash trash trash. They ruined MPCs and now they're ruining Moog. Roger Linn warned us!

[@judde_1]

sad to see since im from asheville its okay i was like they aint cooking shit over there anymore hahahaah

[@judde_1]

they prolly get paid way 2 much for basically putting out no value not gonna lie idk that much tho asheville just dumb expensive and stupid

[@MarcoPolux]

This really is a loss. InMusic could’ve been wiser keeping all the specialized artisan manufacture. Sadly, that cool “aura” of Moog has just been teared apart. I’m Keeping my vintage moog’s, never buying this new behringerized contraptions, surely this InMusic will start applying industrial programmed obsolescence. 🤢

[@apoplexiamusic]

I hope you get to 50k and shave your eyebrows! Mine are almost completly gone because of alopecia... but eyebrows are overrated anyway.

[@Positive_Tea]

RIP to Moog, pronounced "Moog"

[@ViRiXDreamcore]

Yaaay big corp ruins another product…… then wonders why it’s not doing well.

[@dodgingrain3695]

Every Linux app has a stupid name, to many hippies behind Linux.

[@dondanana9573]

MASSIVE HEAD HERE 😂

[@EverettDudgeon138]

Honestly, I feel that this is more a case of “Moog Screwed Moog.” Than anything else. The company was seriously lacking consistent innovation. While I appreciate the barebones and raw mono synths they were coming out with, we had synths from Sequential, Korg and Arturia that were trying new things in the analog realm. Moog could have easily sone a four voice poly synth based on the Sub 37...but they didn’t. They could have started to incorporate digital effects...but they didn’t. Not until they did the unobtainable Moog One. Then followed it up with....the Grandmother. Meanwhile we have Arturia doing morphing analog synthesizers. The problem is Moog put more effort in political discussions rather than synth discussions. “We are discontinuing the Moogerfoger pedals....BUT you’ll be happy to know we are doing a show with absolutely no male performers! Yay!”

[@bonchbonch]

Your political bias is showing. How dare anybody showcase woman in this male-dominated industry! That's surely why they went bankrupt!

[@emiel333]

The Ableton Note update on iOS is interesting.

[@sheppo]

plup plop

[@Dr-Stu]

I saw that Jenny Ferrell comment.....so 'Forrest' decided, 3 months after Moog were sold to InMusic, to randomly go down and talk to staff at the factory about this change of ownership and it *just* so happened to be the morning that most of the staff got laid off? Do second had twitter posts provide enough evidence to then get reported as an article?

[@ThomAdams]

***pop pop***

[@edgedubs]

Pop pop

[@ViRiXDreamcore]

Elon demmanding to be in the game is definitely an ego trip. Like, dude go home! It’s fitting you kill his character. But no, you can’t just grab someone to voice act a character in anything off the street.

[@keomg4718]

ableton is getting so behind that pro tools is becoming better than ableton

[@obo_9942]

"it's free"

[@worldofcyn]

Poohp poohp! 😅

[@cooperbeats-v4o]

bro im going to make so much fucking money! but im never selling my moogs so i will stay broke..

[@SeanRaine]

if any of y'all make beats in asheville area hit me up lol just moved here

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

Ya, Pro Tools be doing some goofy stuff! They used to have the Joe Meek compressor. Joe Meek was a pretty popular producer and helped invent many popular recording methods we use today (along with many other things music-related). Anyway, the dude murdered somebody then killed himself. He went crazy! Thought all his friends and family were trying to steal his musical ideas/inventions/songs/etc... It's a pretty crazy story. Anyway, years later they finally mass-produced some of the hardware he was working on and it became somewhat popular. You can find it all over the used market. So Pro Tools modeled some of this hardware and included them as stock plugins back in the day hahaha!!!!! They used to say the plugins were cursed 😂

[@huntergalloway3944]

I had no idea about Joe Meek! It makes me want to buy one of those cheap green channel strips.

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

Ya, it's pretty crazy! Check out the story if you have some free time. It's pretty nuts. The dude went crazy. Shame too he was super smart and some of the techniques he came up with are literally the standard to how we record today. @@huntergalloway3944

[@ald6873]

pop POP

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

@ 50k subs - you should explain why your tunes are so short.

[@SonicVibe]

InMusic ruined akai so moog was doomed

[@MaterialMike]

Pro tools iPad won’t work without an internet connection so it useless sometimes!

[@namonamo4130]

blub blub

[@peterelfman]

popPOP

[@The_Sonic_Oasis]

Elon Musk's Character gets murdered in the bathroom. LET THAT SINK IN! 😏

[@MysticJem2016]

hold up.... is anybody really mad at Beatstars.... or was that just a quick controversy/ misunderstanding/ general upset about things being changed, which was then quickly rectified by BeatStars... Cause I could have sworn it was the latter, from watching the recent change announcements and the convos surrounding that.. And here Weaver claims they "shot themselves in the head" which uhhhhhhhh Perhaps massive exaggeration?

[@zloboslav_]

here's a 🎈🎈down below