"How Type Beats Ruined Creativity"

[@beatz04]

The very fact that most of HipHop *still* boils down to "Trap beat" nowadays should be evidence enough most beat producers just do whatever everyone else does - i.e. copying formulas and playing it safe, hence everyone sounding the same. And most Rappers are just the same - they *say* they want something unique, but in reality want to keep it safe as well, again ending up in everyone using a Trap beat and being unique only happening within that Trap formula, if at all.

[@cavrenodem2436]

Precisely! That's exactly why these producers make type beats. Because they themselves are a bunch of copycat producers selling to a bunch of copycat artists.

[@crnkmnky]

@@cavrenodem2436 It's also a behavior of adapting to the digital market environment. Search Engine Optimization rears its ugly head again.

[@ZAY________]

3:25 sooooooooo many of my rapper clients have no idea how to use a computer properly bro So true

[@aaronhedgesmusic]

Videos on the internet complaining about other videos on the internet complaining… so meta 😂

[@TROYVIXIOUS]

Right fuck this 😂

[@FL_Mobile_Cat]

Is this srsly the 1st instance of ur seeing that? We're like 10 years into that lol

[@aaronhedgesmusic]

@ I’m being ironic because it’s a bit lazy at this point…

[@EverythingYouDoIsABalloon]

@@aaronhedgesmusic You're being far too polite, a bit lazy is a huge understatement. It's lame as fuck.

[@cassetteo]

@@EverythingYouDoIsABalloonhey busy!

[@jakerain2820]

been doing this for 20+ years. "type beats" were never to copy, just sort of portray who i though would sound good or different on it and for algorithm. Ive never tried to make a beat with the intention of sounding like someone else.

[@cavrenodem2436]

You are the minority in that if this is true. Majority of the producers that make "type" beats most def are trying to sound like popular producers because they feel it puts a spotlight on their beats and they try to cater to the knockoff rappers tryna sound like popular rappers that are out. Wanna-be's catering to wanna-be's.

[@nuh-uhbro765]

@@cavrenodem2436I definitely think that’s true but that’s how most people start. They hear a style of music that inspires them so much they get into making beats so they can make that style too. They’ll either grow out of it or never find success, but a truly talented creative will always find a way to stand out in an ocean of copy cats.

[@cavrenodem2436]

@@nuh-uhbro765 And it's usually the latter because the former never happened.

[@nuh-uhbro765]

@@cavrenodem2436 That’s just objectively wrong bro I’ve watched countless interviews of my favorite successful artists. Everybody starts out by copying, everybody. Eminem admits that he used to rap trying to sound like Nas, and Eminem is the best selling rapper of all time besides Drake, who is a pop star so I don’t count it. That’s a different conversation lol.

[@cavrenodem2436]

@nuh-uhbro765 No sir, that's not wrong at all. The anount of people that fail at music as opposed to succeeding isn't even comparable. Out of every 50 rappers 1 might make. Every 50 producers maybe 5 or 6. The numbers in are nowhere near the numbers out. Not by a long shot. I never said people don't copy, i just said they never succeed doing it. Em may have started one way, but he sounds nothing like Nas, Rakim or Kool G Rap. If he would've stayed on thay copy cat boat, he would still be in Detroit driving for Uber.

[@BrandonBurdenMusic]

I always prefer to get the chance to retool the beat to the vocals after the artist lays them down. It just glues the song together.

[@jaburollup]

I create whatever I want to create, THEN name it after. Basically the Pain way. Been doing it this way since 2011

[@sincerelyours.]

No front

[@idesel]

You can go that way if you don't mind the algorithm or if your style kinda sounds like it suits max 2 or 3 artists. If it's too diverse then the type beat model won't work for you as much.

[@2coldjames648]

I literally watched a guy talk about how he had to make the same g-Herbo type beats over and over, and if he switched to another type beat style his views tanked. So yea, they definitely pre plan making type beats.

[@cavrenodem2436]

Yup. It's the only way they feel they get exposure.

[@llortduck]

Unless using a VPN and a private browser, all Google searches are going to be tailored to the user.

[@beatz04]

Exactly. With all the trashtalking about Rappers not knowing how to operate a computer, i found it ironic that Weaver apparently doesn't know about this fact 😁

[@IoOrganism]

Rappers/singers sticking with safe production is why their catalog gets stale. Even legendary rappers like Nas and Eminem fell victim to it. A great example of a rapper experimenting with new styles is Snoop with Sensual Seduction. No one making cliché "Snoop type beats" would've came up with that masterpiece.

[@Patrick-ryan-collins]

This has been happening in jazz standards and shit since wax cylinders. I'm guilty of choosing tags based on how popular they are and not how well they describe my sound.

[@BManAK330]

A 'type beat' is a good way for an artist to find beats they like. It gives a description of a sound by naming an artist with a relative sound.... Instead of trying to come up with words to describe the sound...works for the artists, the producer and the algorithm. It is one way of many that you can label or describe a beat in a way that an artist could relate

[@idesel]

I'm honestly not able to tell which artist will fit on my beat unless I intentionally was creating a beat for them through using one of their beats as a reference track.

[@w.7258]

"if only rappers could operate technology", I've noticed this too, very odd isn't it?

[@fakshen1973]

I don't think that it's weird. The best artists don't want to focus on the gear. The best producers do that already. If you're a rapper, knowing how to pull off parallel compression on the drum bus doesn't make you a better rapper. Maybe they've memorized a chain of effects that they like on their voice as a starting point. I don't expect the drummer to know how to work a DAW either.

[@Sergio-nb4hj]

​@@fakshen1973I think he more means rappers are bad with using computers, files, organization

[@Harlem-Instrumental]

@@fakshen1973 He was talking about rappers being able to use music gear, just basic smartphone stuff like Zoom to emulate being in the same room.

[@Mill-on-da-track]

3:47 some producers can't operate a computer as well😅😂😅😂😅😂

[@st4nkreallyreekin]

Bro I started as a rapper and forced myself to learn fl 😭

[@JJW001]

Since when were producers not "artists"? 😂😂 WTF? The "artist" and the producer need to be in the room together.....no shit. They're BOTH artists. It's a colab. Too many vocalist think it's all about them. I don't think the best music is made that way. 🍸

[@katana2seppuku]

I make beats that I feel like making beats. I label them type beat because if you aren’t specific with artist x artist (hard/sad) genre type beat then the algorithm doesn’t pick up the beat because nobody who actually makes music looks up genre x year type beat. I know people don’t do that because nobody I make music with in the underground finds beats by typing something that simple. If you wanna find good beats then you gotta get specific with the search, niche artists. Otherwise the beats won’t be unique

[@TOWER4HIRE]

I agree

[@CaldoHits]

I mostly make Kenny Mason Type Beats on my main chain. And guess what, a lot of the beats I've uploaded as a KM type beats were just beats I had made a year or 2 ago. Then called them KM type beats😂 I could literally just name them Denzel Curry beats and possibly get a pass. Sometimes the producer community goes into the deep end of overcomplicating things.

[@nvisionbeats]

You both make good points - but question is if people have to write “type beats” then how it going to be 95% of those copycat producers mimicking beats than it is just producers in general using the type beat label?

[@apoplexiamusic]

Make a Noisia type beat and then go to bed crying because you can’t

[@BeersAndBeatsPDX]

Noisia set a new standard in dnb production. No one can touch them.

[@gutaninblanco]

Mostvtype beat are kids copying turtorial, using loop, ready midi, splice and on the end all sprinkle with arcade, and they are still rookies, that why there is so much trash beats online

[@mitchellrcohen]

He’s always talking 🗣️

[@LaghimaMusic]

I mean imo as someone who produces and really understand the song writing process. IMO most type beat producers are just making melody loop with some minor drum arrangements. The artist is what makes the song good because it’s what’s actually causing the song to feel like it’s progress(vocal melodies outline chords and changes in the chords are what cause songs to feel like they progress change or get bigger or smaller) TLDR: illmind is right beat producers do not make innovation hence why hip-hop is generally speaking perpetually behind other genres, like pop or EDM from a songwriting standpoint

[@apoplexiamusic]

Oh no! Weaver got trapped in an SNES !!!

[@X-101]

wtf is Type beats, i feel old

[@BeersAndBeatsPDX]

Same here. I have no idea what a type beat is it who any of the people in this video are.

[@nixweldon1618]

they're used to describe beats that are made in the style of a certain artist, for example, "drake type beat" - it's gonna have the same type of sound of a drake song. The name is mostly used in trap beats for rappers and artists to find beats in the style that they wanna make. It's considered a little controversial though because a lot of "type beat" producers rinse and repeat similar drums or just throw them on a loop that they didn't make. Great for artists that want that but overall not a great thing because it's definitely depleting creativity, since they're just trying to create something that sounds like their favorite artist and the producer doesn't bother to experiment. Meaning you get painfully generic music as the end result.

[@BillyTheKidsGhost]

A beat is not a beat, but a type of rhythm. EDM and hip-hop have gotten this wrong from the start. A beat is a tempo. Just a side note.

[@Veridi]

What about a glorified drum beat?

[@BillyTheKidsGhost]

@@Veridi Drumsticks on a tabletop. Sounds like a typewriter...😄

[@Sergio-nb4hj]

A beat is whatever people call a "beat". This is how language works. When you say "wanna hear a beat?" to 1000 people, the overwhelming majority will expect a piece of music. Nobody uses the old usage anymore

[@cavrenodem2436]

Wrong.

[@amp4105]

Cringe semantics

[@prodbyryshy]

fun fact, i talked to taz a lot in 2015-2016, dude was so adamant that type beats was the wave, i denied it cus i wanted placements lol, but he is right, dude is pretty interesting, not the nicest but still not bad

[@kassemir]

It's always so weird to me when people try and use Google Search data to prove a point. Because, honestly, I feel like less and less people do Google Searches regularly. Also, search results are personalized. That's kind of the whole point. So, if you see something as the first result on a Google Search that doesn't really mean much.

[@qtrax100]

I have never met a rapper that didnt use someone else for there IT support.

[@amp4105]

You don't know many rapper in the underground do you?

[@Topcatyo.]

I’ve never made a “type beat” and doubt I ever will. Doesn’t sound like a fun way to make things. Also, hot take? Desired_Rapper is not going to rap over a “Desired_Rapper-type beat”. Random people trying to rip off Desired_Rapper will. I’ve also seen folks pop off with different titles for their songs. I saw somebody pop off (with a banger) with a song titled “Theme For A Shop That Wants You to Leave (politely)”. I clicked that. It was a great song, and an artist who had under 3K subs got over 100k views on that video I’m pretty sure. You don’t have to make a “type beat” to get found. You do have to know how to grab folks’ attention though

[@katana2seppuku]

Ehhh for the most part but blp kosher uses yt type beats. His song water to the grave is a type beat I’ve heard on yt before that song was made. I knew it from the 5head tag on it. So some rappers do use yt type beats, they just don’t use ones labeled for them. They’re trying to find a new sound not something they’ve already done thus why they don’t use their own type beats

[@uzadegotone]

In a industry so vastly versatile producers just copy each other 🤦🏽‍♂️ no creativity anymore

[@idesel]

You have to name your beat a type beat if you want artists to find them, unless you're just releasing those beats as tracks, how the hell is a particular rapper who like certian kinds of beats gonna find you. Some older guys who made it in music ealier when things were different tend to have terrible takes on current situations.

[@Grant82gc]

I've never heard of a "type beat" in my life and i still have no idea wtf is going on here but i dont mess with this music scene. Im a four to floor kinda guy lol

[@synaesmedia]

You guys know that Google gives personalized search results, yeah?

[@WeaverBeats2lol]

People keep saying this but it still doesn't bring up beat stars when you search type beats on Google with a vpn and incognito browser. So it does not matter.

[@bottomtext7700]

Skibidi toilet type beat

[@dahvidFTB]

I would try to find a specific kinda sound but sayin type beat gets me more accurate results If I don’t find sum then im willing to look deeper till I find sum that fits I made beats befo but most times I gotta record a song befo I lose the moment I usually subscribe to channels that have a consistent catalog of beats But I always respond if a producer hmu bc they know that networkin gives them a possible advantage

[@bakablitz6591]

as a modern type beat guy that knows a ton of other type beat channels, most of us DO NOT make a beat and label it after (this is speaking for the modern trap beat side of things. travis scott, playboi carti, underground rap) that being said, you still underplaying the amount of people who do in fact do that, it is far more than you would think, and i do it from time to time

[@bakablitz6591]

in a way you both are right and wrong at the same time

[@PPM820]

Type beats who actually started that? When i first heard that title and people posting Drake Type beat etc.. I knew it would hurt the music itself no more creativity come on lets get back to it.

[@triplebeam23]

So for me .. type beat is the only avenue to have people find your stuff via SEO .. just writing your name and giving the song a name .. youll never get seen .. wanna know how i know.. i had 2 channels that attempted it . There are so many artists that get good views so it only makes sense to go that route..

[@rothzn]

SaltedPoessie

[@Z3R0_MUS1C]

Ayo type beat channel here I definitely agree with all that weawer says but for me I just label my beats with what it sounds to me like. I never use names of rappers on my beats. I wouldn't feel creatively free if I was making ty beats for just one rapper or specific rappers

[@tyeblee23]

“Much long ago”?

[@tommykruesofficial]

How i have always made Type Beats Step 1: Open Ableton Step 2: Noodle Noodle Noodle until i find something i like and works. Step 3:Proceed to finish the beat Step 4: Huh i can hear X,Y Rapper or singer on this Step 5: Export Demo to a beat folder with a normal name. Oh right! that's called just making a beat, Cant think of a time where i went out of my way to try and make a certain type of beat, I just make music man. Even making beats is a bit boring itself not enough of a challenge, Thats why i play instruments first and am a music producer 2nd.

[@ReeWebster]

Dam, 1st time heard SEO and spends mentioned, 100%. Comes down to $... if a pro is doing the SEO work, cash is the main factor. Need a different approach if you can't keep up in the rat race.

[@coolint]

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT DJ PAIN DOES. HE'S NOT TALENTED WITHOUT COPING ANOTHER PRODUCER OR IF HE'S PRODUCING WITH ANOTHER PRODUCER. THAT'S WHY DJ PAIN IS DEFENDING TYPE BEAT, SO HARD. WE ALL CAN CLEARLY HEAR THAT THE TYPE BEAT PRODUCER'S ARE COPYING ANOTHER PRODUCERS BEAT. JUST DO A VIDEO LISTENING TO ALL OF DJ PAIN TYPE BEATS, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT HE'S A LIAR.

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

Pain makes throwaway music.

[@vjmcgovern]

Good video. Whats the WINDIEST song you’ve made?

[@gossamyr]

When did this new dichotomy happen? Artist and producers are different how? Weaver, you are so weird, man...

[@marjakivinen4464]

First (busy works beat rules and loves weaver's kids more than weaver himself does regard not busy)

[@lilyluhtwizzy]

I'm bouta check out his latest pack XD

[@amp4105]

God i hate the ivory tower producers who say TYPE BEAT like its a slur, its literally just making beats in a style for certain artists... its what producers do when in the studio witb a rapper..