Webley Mk3 , Diana model 50 and the Feinwerkbau sport

[@jsd8981]

I had a webley vulcsn Mk1 4x20 B.S.A Scopes, bought second hand in the 80s exceptionally accurate, mint condition not a scratch or dent anyware, loved that rifle wish I still had it....

[@bessiebraveheart]

I had a webley mk 3 for Christmas in 1956. Here in west bromwich it was £12 8 shillings. I still have it. It's still in good condition. I still love that gun.

[@mudbutton2]

I still have my 1984 FWB Sport 127 and with Maccari internals it's doing around 14ft/lbs and is very accurate and super smooth. Great air rifles!

[@scottrobertson9452]

Enjoy your springer reviews. My first spring piston gun purchase in 1979 was a neat little carbine that has accounted for countless squirrels, a BSF 55 in .177. Keep up the good vids, they are enjoyable and informative. Scott in the USA

[@douglasthompson2740]

I bought a FWB 124 Sport in 1982 new from Beeman's who imported them to the states (they called them a model 50 but all the German stamps are still on the gun including the "124 Sport") with a Beeman 4x Scope. I have a bit of a time understanding why people of today often seem to remark on how expensive they were at the time. I bought mine because it was far cheaper than the center fire rifles of the time and I wanted to practice in my basement with the Beeman pellets. I could shoot all day long for the price of a couple of rounds of centerfire. As I recall I spent under two hundred dollars for the rifle and scope. For less than ten bucks I also bought about three thousand rounds of the .177 Beaman pellets. I still have them today and just finished a seal replacement. I found all the parts still well in specification and the action tight as could be. One thing I have heard remarked about the modern version is that they are not well lubed leading to problems but I can attest to the fact that my FWB 124 was very well lubed with a product that kept all its properties through the years (this was the first time I have broken it down completely). The only thing that was a weak point was for them to have used plastic on the piston seal and plastic breaks down over time. I just bought a new HW50 to compare the old and the new. I would have a hard time choosing between them if the FWB didn't have sentimental value to me. One factor was the FWB did not have a 'kick pad' on it (something I may rectify at this late date) which allowed it to fall when leaned against a wall resting on a slick floor as well as the wood chipped off the edges if dropped or mishandled.

[@jaycobden1388]

You guys are just in a class by yourselves. You both bring the inside view of our sport. You also bring us the history. Well done lads!! Jaay Coyote in the USA

[@6lr6ak6]

Good video, good to see the model 50 as l bought one few weeks ago, it was rusty, I've reblued it, it was underpowered that was down to it having old, hard grease in it, the piston seal was fine, l reblued with moly, new spring l had in, it shoots good now, 11.8ft/lb, the thing with the bbs in the trigger, put them in the black tube using grease so they can't fall out, put the outer tube in first, that compresses the main spring, hold it in using one pin partly in, then put the inner piece in that has the bbs in, pressing that in lining up the pin holes tap both pins in, done, it isn't that hard, the main thing I'd say is having the 3 bbs held in the holes with grease.

[@MarkWilliams-so6vc]

Hi lads, i`m still hunting with the FWB Sport 124 and 127 mk1`s to good effect, 1978 and 1979 models - outstanding spring rifles.

[@cblack1green]

Still have my fwb sport, I think it was the last Christmas Eve as a lad back in 1980 that I never slept waiting for morning to come. I have had many rifles come and go but would never sell this.

[@marklayton5067]

As always guys, Absolutely great to watch. Massive thanks to you both.

[@TonyBelas]

Thanks mark, it’s nice to be appreciated, we both give up our time, but the real star is Lloyd’s other half Andrea, who films and then spends days editing - all for the princely sum of nothing, which is our standard going rate!

[@matthewpearsall9249]

I had a Vulcan Tony they weren't tat from a family who couldn't afford a lot I felt privileged to own one

[@LloydSchober]

Tony is just used to shooting £2000 guns , he's an airgun toff don't you know ;)

[@matthewpearsall9249]

@@LloydSchober 😂😂😂

[@thomaswhitmore2020]

I really enjoy watching “ Hot Air” with a cup of coffee in the morning, keep it up Loyd and Tony , this is just what our sport needed.

[@quinch4219]

I have a 1954 Webley Mk 3 in 0.177 with the ribbed stock and it still makes that sucking noise and shoots like a dream. The finish is not up to the beautiful ones you discussed but when chronographed it is still producing around 10 ft lbs with 8.4.grain pellets. Keep up the good work.

[@johnjones9303]

Great video lads i have just bought a 1971 original 50 in 22 the steelwork is really good but the stock was a mess my mate is a french polisher and is sorting my stock for me Best bit is i only paid 45 pound for it and it shoots really well This was the first gun my father bought me when i was 13 which was 44 years ago Needless to say i will not be selling it Cheers

[@Woodgate425]

Excellent as usual and great to see the old rifles, lots more please. Also the roving reporter is and fab idea.

[@laurieharper1526]

Good to see that Original. I remember seeing them (and not being able to even think about affording one) in my local shop when I was in my teens 50 years ago. A member of the club at my local TA range had one and was kind enough to let me shoot it on occasion. Quite a contrast to my little Meteor. Excellent show, guys. Keep up the good work. Atb.

[@000-o4h]

It seems to be a carbon copy of the famous BSA L or the Improved D air rifles from the early 1900's.

[@drmoss_ca]

I still have my 1974 Mk.III, and it was always a bit rough compared to my grandfather's LIncoln Jeffries patent BSA I used up to 1974. Still got that one too!

[@jetblack5115]

Great video...thanks for posting i have just got myself a original model 50b made in germany no scope rail...made me laugh when you told the story of stripping one down as i have just stripped the spring out of mine...lol...keep the videos coming really good and getting better...cheers

[@jetblack5115]

Just want to add i rebuilt the rifle and its shooting great the trigger is difficult to rebuild but just needs a bit of time ...

[@peetje28021970]

I really enjoyed this episode about old springers, what a nice looking rifle that Diana is. Thanks.

[@lesjones7617]

Mid 1970 i had a Webly Scott Rifle wich had in-interchangeable barrels, 177 and 22, it was a lot of fun think i mostly used the 22

[@johnpotter4750]

Used to visit the Webley Mk3 in the local sports shop every two or three weeks, the other sports shop sold Diana's twasn't the same.

[@hunter100t]

Lovely to see the old rifles and of coarse Tony' input and your' Lloyd, was marvelous ! I remember in the late 70s my bro had the Feinwerkbau sport and it was considered amongst break barrels to be one of the finest out there at that time and it shot well as well. would love you to do a piece on the BSA Airsporter through it many permutations as its the one air rifle in my mind that's probably the best looking I have ever seen, and I have never owned one in my 50 years of airgunning ! atb Phil.

[@allanthompson9695]

Really liking the format and the History is fascinating. It also brings back some memories. Notifications on. Cheers Guys.

[@totenvt]

The 3 ball bearing trigger is a pain to assemble unless you know the secret of how to hold the bits inplace while you pop the top spring and guide into place ................ :)

[@Harpy-Mark-Tomlinson]

I had a webley mk3 many years ago in 1975 when I was14 years old.

[@davidmitchell1379]

Had a 127 sport early 70s ,fantastic gun......wife didn't like gun in house with young child so it had to go.....in retrospect should have got rid of..........her

[@leekennedy4942]

Well done boys keep up the good work 👍🏿

[@davidmitchell1379]

I had a 127 sport in 1975 paid £50 second hand absolutely fantastic....had to sell when got married got £25 ...should have got rid of wife instead....look at them now and the price I could cry

[@MRD765]

Love the video guys . Been out today with my theoben sirocco deluxe in .22 had it 30 years now, and it still shoots well. Any chance of doing some theoben history ? Martin, Worcester.

[@hotair4269]

We would love to , and its planned :)

[@darrencopley3631]

Great knowledge Thanks for the information Cheers

[@mickhunt3203]

Love the show always look forward to seeing a new episode I've got an airsporter Mk6 I got from a guy at work who only put 470 pellets through it I know this because he gave the tin of Webley pellets he got with it and there is 30 left in it if you want to borrow it for the show just let me know

[@pegknife]

The spring on the FWB Sport is the same length as the HW77,neither are hard to re-fit/replace. The Safety catch on the sport is a bit fiddly though.

[@pegknife]

@Renegadebroadcasting Renegadebroadcasting I have a pocket,it does the same job.

[@pegknife]

@Renegadebroadcasting Renegadebroadcasting Not a hunter ,hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣.Fella I /anyone can load a second pellet in half the time it took you to fiddle about and pick that (most probably distorted/damaged skirted/deformed ) one out of whatever gadget you have "Designed" .What is it ,a piece of Blu-Tack ? lol. How many manufacturers have been at you for the patent so far ,and how many millions has it made you ? Show us a close up of a pellet that has been in and out of that Gadget, and let everyone decide if it's worth a second look,you never know

[@pegknife]

@Renegadebroadcasting Renegadebroadcasting 😂

[@derektodd4126]

Would love to see the BSA Goldstar, my first ever air rifle which sadly I don't have any more.

[@hotair4269]

Trying to find one Derek. Superb gun and getting rare but I'm sure one of our viweres will have one :)

[@robertkirk4387]

I had an Original 50 but with a different stock, more of a sporter type, I think that one you have there has the Stutzen stock, I wis I still had it.

[@geoffwright2458]

Thanks guys,this is great keep it up.

[@oddjob7821]

Am I missing something here? I remember the Original 45 in the late 70s . 12ftlb Air Rifle. It was a break barrel. Then a Original 50 came out a 12 ftlb underlever version which didn't seem to be as popular as the 45.

[@Brokenheart-ou1zy]

I want this air gun (model 50)😍 I love this air gun 💝💕😍🤩

[@matthewwalters8583]

Great stuff guys, keep the vintage airgun stuff coming, not enough of that on here. there's a good vid on here called Recoiless air pistols - a brief history, which you might find interesting. More please.

[@eriabanda7840]

This a nice air rifle

[@grahammoores7244]

Trip down memory lane for me had all three of those and each had its merits. I was quite upset as a young man when the tap wore out on the model 50 and it was pushed to one side to seal. So I purchased the mark 3 basically for the build quality but the balance was awful and did not shoot that well. Next the F Sport was the gun that I shot more than any gun I have ever owned it was deadly accurate and the first .177 I owned. I did purchase a HW35 later in the game and it was a good gun solid but a little bit of a lump compared to the F Sport.

[@bobthebarsteward]

Robert Beeman used to advertise the FWB Sport as having an 18lbs cocking effort, not sure if the Americans got a stiffer spring or not. The long spring suggested a low spring rate with high preload, something Jim Tyler says is good for reducing hold sensitivity, which may be why they did well in the early days of field target.

[@hotair4269]

I think I said 19 in the vid so within tolerances ;) I loved my FWB's but when the Hw77 arrived it changed everything . That reminds me, I should try and get Jim Tyler to come on the show !

[@bobthebarsteward]

@@hotair4269 that would be good if you could get Jim on, he seems a very interesting character

[@paulevans4334]

Sold my Diana model 52 about five years ago now. Wish i hadn't but the guy I sold it to is a mate so possibly I can buy it back

[@vickyroberts7306]

Great to see some classic rifles being discussed. Just let me know what you want and when you want it. Ive got several fixed barrel springers: e.g. early Airsporters (auto tap) , Airsporter Club, Diana G55 (very similar to the Webley Mk 3) BSA S/Star, BSF 54. Break barrel: Various BSFs including the rare model 65, Walther Mod 55 (double trigger) LGV, etc. Some Webley prototypes. Sharp. Normay Vixen. Let me know what you want and IF Ive got it you can use it. ;-) Ian Jones.

[@hotair4269]

You are a star Mr Jones. thank you so much for helping us . I think our viewers love seeing the old collectable stuff so I will be in touch :)

[@vickyroberts7306]

Ive been called some things in my time :-( but never 'STAR'. :-) Its great to be able to share my love of vintage air guns and, hopefully, it may encourage others to start collecting. There is still LOADS of quality usable bargains out there to be had for very reasonable prices.

[@stepup898]

Enjoyed that, thought the shirts clashed a bit though.

[@simonhopkins3867]

😂

[@hotair4269]

We were going for the Brokeback mountain look ;)

[@stepup898]

Brokeback mountain? Thought you were going for practical not tactical.

[@minashapsis5044]

Hi guys, I have a Webley Mk3, looks like a series 1 or 2 with matching stock and underlever serial No. 799. What year do you thing it was produced? Unfortunately the loading tap mechanism is missing. Do you know where i can source the missing parts?

[@blackpoolairrifles9311]

Sounds like a first series with that serial. Made from 1947-1949 :)

[@minashapsis5044]

Wow. Thanks for the info guys.

[@1j0nh]

Hi guy's I have rifle here with no name just series 70 model 74 with a split barrel and brass insert. I've had it for at least 15 plus years. Any ideas. I also have photo's.

[@derektodd4126]

Sorry meant BSA Superstar, underlever with rotary breech loading.

[@hotair4269]

No problem. I think the shows long enough to cover both ;)

[@vickyroberts7306]

I have a tidy BSA Super Star (Magnum ?) you can borrow for the show if you wish. One of the best BSA rifles and what must be one of the safest because even Lloyd couldn't get his fingers trapped while loading it. :-)

[@mudbutton2]

Still got my FWB 127 from 1984

[@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069]

This is brilliant

[@pudinstaifudin7678]

Ada berapa jenis dari senapan webley ya pa?

[@millerviz]

Can you explain what a tap is for those of us who didn't shoot these old guns?

[@6lr6ak6]

After cocking the gun you open the tap drop in a pellet then close, it's ready to fire.

[@kevinblaylock391]

Tony are you from Leicestershire?

[@bassassin95]

Can you do a review on the Webley hawk mk2 that was my first air rifle it was my dads and he said when I could cock it I could have it so I got my first air rifle at 8 years old and the first thing I shoot was a rat right between the eyes at about 15 yards and when I was old enough to take it out on my own I would ride on my Bmx to my friends farm for rabbit and pigeon and any game birds that came our way then ride home with them draped over my handlebars proud as punch . so if you can do a review you would bring back a little of that joy for me . I had both barrels for it 177 and 22

[@hotair4269]

If we can find one we will do it sir :)

[@malcolmjames7388]

Can you put a gas ram conversion in the Diana model 50

[@hotair4269]

Unfortunately not :(

[@markpoole5854]

HFT made me want to have a go, just saying!

[@markpoole5854]

Tony you are a fountain of knowledge and I enjoy watching you on hot air, but, some of us could only afford “tat” I know you are embroiled in Daystate and Brocock but my £1000 regal HR broke after taking seven weeks to arrive and I went to buy a commander only to be told it would be at least six weeks! Point being, you seem like a great bloke but stones and glass houses Tony!

[@amitshubho]

ii have 1pice in .22cal...1959 manufacturers

[@FXcarver]

Mr. Tony has a baby face.

[@divermalky]

That is not a FWB Sport Mk 2 , it's a Mk3 . The FWB Sport Mk1 had a metal trigger , the Mk2 had a plastic trigger but had internal upgrades and was factory tuned. The Mk3 was fitted with the stupid barrel muzzle brake 'thing' which wasted the look of gun , (in my view) . Owned a Mk2 for 40yrs ,and it's still going strong .

[@LloydSchober]

No , its a Mk2. Mk1'as had plastic triggers, Mk2's have metal, and it wasn't factory tuned. The muzzle you see on the gun in the video is a rubber protector to cover the foresight rails , its not the Mk3 metal muzzle weight .

[@divermalky]

@@LloydSchober My mistake thought rubber cover was muzzle weight of the MK3 . I disagree with your statement re tuning however . I am looking at an Airgun World magazine , March 1981 , on page 38 is an advert for the FWB MK2 , it states - - ' All the benefits of special tuning are now standard on the Mark 2'. I have owned my MK 2 for over 40yrs and I can assure you it has a plastic trigger . I think we can agree however, that the FWB Sport was a great air rifle .

[@LloydSchober]

@@divermalky We will have to disagree about the factory tune, it was just ad speak. I had a few Mk2's and they were twangy and needed tuning. I had one done by Venom and it was superb. If you check TR Robbs page he confirms the Mk2 is metal :www.trrobb.com/Feinwerkbau_Sport_Roughed_out_to_finish_diydel/p1449438_17042045.aspx. I definitely agree the guns were fantastic

[@airtechregulators4037]

the blacking on the webley mk3 you have there is not original blacking. i know because i re polished and blacked that exact rifle. for a guy who re built it for city air.

[@TonyBelas]

Hi Carl, I suspected as much. The engraving on the super target didn’t seem deep enough and there was some wear on the sight that didn’t quite match the gun. The standard mk3 bluing was perfect, so good job, but it seemed too good for the year no mater how well stored. The stock was also oiled and all the originals I’ve seen were varnished. But still a lovely rifle. Does not a restoration job destroy the value to collectors?

[@simonhopkins3867]

My late stepfather a webley mk 3. After I moved out he gave it away. :,-(

[@hotair4269]

Noooooooooo !!!!

[@simonhopkins3867]

Yes From new :(

[@darrencady4261]

The Original mod 50 was not more powerful than the Webley mk3. The Webley mk3 was a direct copy of the Mayer and Grammelspacher mod 45 (yes, the Mod 45 was an underlever) and the only difference was in the loading tap which was on the right on the Webley and a Webley mk3 stock will fit a mod 45 but the mod 45 stock won't fit a Webley mk3. The Original mod 50 would struggle to achieve 8 ft lbs as they were advertised with a muzzle velocity of 490 fps in .22 and 690 fps in .177. The Webley mk3 could achieve 10 ft lbs in .22 (5.6mm) with Webley Special pellets. Given a choice I'd take the Webley mk. But only a pre 5 series.

[@paulgeivett9931]

you know all this from your hart. not from reading off a sheet of paper nice.

[@carsmax]

Hi guys. Is there some compony who build a break barrel rifle with 2 power settings ??? What I mean is Cock the barrel / under lever halve the way and you get 12 fpe and cock it all the way you get 20 fpe. Is there someone or is it an invention !!!!!!!

[@greghumble7306]

Carsten the theoben eliminator

[@stevemedlock6271]

Great video. Please though, its 'aitch' not 'haych'.

[@snowysam1]

I was doing a bit of ratting on a farm not a million miles from Blackpool a few years back and the farmer had an airsporter lent in the corner of one of the sheds . It was an early one , don’t know how old but way older than the one I had as a kid in the 80’s and if I remember right it didn’t have scope rails so I’m guessing it was possibly from the 50’s . As you would expect from being left in a shed it wasn’t a minter but he still knocked the odd rat over with it

[@AzaadCinnanati-yu4ep]

saya senang video tuan saya juga pencipta senapan angin apalagi merek diana sayang kami tak mampu beli seandainya tuan berenang??? kami sangat senang

[@jakandrijauskas6362]

Docking going on here

[@matthewpearsall9249]

If you have a mk111 in that condition in your shop phone me and I'll have it straight away for 375 because everywhere I've looked at mk111's in that condition are 800 to a grand seriously

[@TonyBelas]

Matthew Pearsall : look above Matt and you can see that the rifles were restored. I didn’t get Bobs prices but the restoration wouldn’t be cheap, so I would expect them to cost more. They are back at city air weapons now, so maybe call and buy them!

[@LekNor-nt5di]

Joooos....

[@psandbergnz]

The Original 50 is _not_ a powerful rifle! You would be lucky to get 8ftlb out of it (in 0.22). It looks as if it should be powerful, but there it is diisappointing. The other two (even the Webley) should give a higher muzzle velocity. I think the Webley produced about 9 ftlb, or just over, from new.

[@Interdiction]

All we owe the British air rifle industry is the moronic 12ftlbs rule .They brought that in to be able to compete with the Germain rifles as the Germans were selling rifles with 20ftlbs and the British made ones actually struggled to get near 10

[@LloydSchober]

It was mainly the US imports such as Crosmans and Benjamins that worried the UK industry to the point of pushing for the power restriction.

[@malcolmjames7388]

Webely don't make them now like they used to do

[@ГеннадийБаранников-щ2е]

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[@FranciscoSilva-kw5ux]

Oi Boa noite

[@cesare307]

Tun tun tun tun

[@carsmax]

The stock on this Feinwerkbau is the most boring one I ever seeing like the olders !!!

[@robme8631]

Not impressed with the HFT guy and his comp! I emailed HFT masters after watching your video to ask where all the locations are around the country so I could see where my closest one was to attend. I got no reply at all, so I guess it's a super elitist comp where 'ordianary' people aren't allowed to know where they shoot?? All the shoot locations on thier website are location abbreviations!

[@hotair4269]

Sorry to hear you haven't been able to attend your local meeting Rob. Roger has been travelling a lot recently so maybe he's just not got to your message yet . He also is the opposite of Super Elitist . I'll message him about your enquiry :)

[@laity69]

That's odd , I just checked and did not see anything from you , please send me an email and I will gladly drop you all the rounds . [e-mail] . All the best