TERRIBLE UFC 302 JUDGING | WEIGHING IN

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Big John McCarthy and Josh "The Punk" Thomson break down the dicey UFC 302 judging choices
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[@theviolentone]

MMA judges? Who gives this? We need to cancel many mma judges license..they made MMA judges look bad

[@user-ks2hv5qg4r]

Lol ,I read it with islam voice 😂😂😂😂

[@meatrocket6979]

The judging and scores were fine I don’t get what the uproar is

[@dano1307]

Why dont the judges sit in the back with a big ass monitor instead of watching it through the cage from 1 angle?

[@chrisforson3501]

They got monitors they can watch

[@user-ku8ip3yy7q]

Maybe they should learn how to do there job properly! Dustin porier vs Islam shouldve been 4-1 all Day long!

[@meatrocket6979]

@@chrisforson3501no they don’t they have to watch it through the cage it’s the rule

[@epsteined3899]

​@@meatrocket6979 they have monitors.

[@meatrocket6979]

@@epsteined3899 no they don’t where do u get this from my cousin is a judge and said they are not allowed it’s against the rule set

[@PrimeTime_1906]

New trend we’re seeing is fighters getting rounds for “doing better”. Rounds aren’t being judged independently.

[@bigez4024]

Im disappointed Big John you need to apologize to Tank Abbot! 🤬

[@mguyette13]

Tank Abbott roasting Big Jon on Rogan. Interesting listen about early UFC

[@djhappydaze]

I was just about to ask what the beef is between them two. I just finished that episode myself.

[@stevend481]

​@@djhappydaze Jon McCartney lol

[@linktothepastmetaldetectin5648]

Why not make it a requirement that the judges do post press and have to explain

[@quintonlarson5346]

Dope

[@koalawithchaingun53]

Nooo not accountability for my actions!

[@meatrocket6979]

U guys are overreacting the judges scores were fine costa won that fight at least 49-46

[@koalawithchaingun53]

@@meatrocket6979 hell tf no

[@meatrocket6979]

@@koalawithchaingun53 did u even watch that fight?

[@ZenoSama_]

Can’t wait to hear Big John’s reply to the shit Tank Abbott was talking on JRE today.

[@TheJoeholton]

The crowd had way more of an effect also. The judges hearing that roar when Dustin lands a strike and Islam’s went largely ignored. Just a matter of fight location but that made a bigger difference than many realize.

[@ZSergioZ1]

Exactly! Watched Luke Thomas analysis and it’s crazy what high level strikes Dustin take! He hasn’t any answer to it!

[@TrumpsaTerroristChangeMyMind]

Yeah I’d agree with that the bar I was at was going crazy when porier landed anything And I was watching like yeah that was a decent hook but what about that right hook from Islam that snapped poriers head back And immediately porier started backing up (obviously was hurt) but people at the bar were cheering for porier to move in “for a finish” cuz he had him😂 I was watching like I’m rooting for porier but buddy is tryna hide his wobbly legs rn😅

[@Lightsaber88]

​@@TrumpsaTerroristChangeMyMindwhich round was that, was it the first? Just curious

[@forwardmoving8252]

Watched it at a theater and all the dorks in the room were cheering for EVERY SINGLE THING Dustin did, even when he was clearly losing. Then when islam subbed him they all went silent. Mma fans are honestly the lowest form of human life

[@forwardmoving8252]

​@TrumpsaTerroristChangeMyMind was gonna laugh at you for rooting for poirier but then I read your handle and realized you actually have downs 😂 do the world a favor and you know what I mean

[@jaywalker6464]

the fuck Chris lee, we can argue it was 10-8 in round one for Islam.

[@ryanyamir437]

Oh, Tank had some words about you on JRE

[@JSmooove98]

2-2 is a plausible scorecard heading into the 5th, what are we complaining about?

[@shettywap]

Lol. Genuinely. I went back and watched the full fight, and there's a solid argument to give Dustin 2 and 4. One judge did both, and the others were split between the 2. There is no reason to have an issue with a close round. Maybe they saw the takedown at the end of the second? He threw a 4 or 5 punches, but takedown in the last 10 seconds don't move me anymore. That's not going to give you the round for me. Especially if you didn't do much with it.

[@user-zb1bn1lj6z]

When I watched, I thought Islam won all the rounds

[@marianopupi2049]

What happens if a fighter calls for an ilegal shot (a kick to the groin for example), takes his time to recorver and the camera shows it was a legal shot to the body? shouldnt the fight be sanctioned a TKO? in case the ref allows the fighter to go on with the action, can the fighter that threw the body shot ask the comission to change the result of the fight? For example fighter A got kicked in the body, ask time to recover from the "ilegal shot". Fighter B ends up winning a UD, can fighter B ask to overturn the result to TKO?

[@koalawithchaingun53]

Was it Chris Lee? Thought it was Dave Tirelli

[@shettywap]

I went back and watched the fight, and its pretty reasonable to give Dustin 2 and 4. John can say, "You dont know what you're looking at," but all three judge score cards reflect that clearly. The thing that could give Islam is the second, without question, is the takedown at the end of the round. Takedowns with 10 seconds left and not much done with it leave me unmoved. I used to count them heavily, but if little is done with them, they dont factor much into the scoring to me. What's also interesting is the significant strike count. I find that whatever calculates the numbers are often far away from an actual representation for the fight. Also, the crowd was definitely pro Poirier, but watching the fight with the sound off gives a pretty good depiction of the fight.

[@ericy3918]

Problem with the sport isn’t just the judges but the athletic commissions and their inability or reluctance to promote the judges with great track records while almost every UFC event, we have some judge simply out to lunch on the scorecards. I know for a fact that the UFC and athletic commissions make recommendations to each other about who they like and who they don’t and if an official has a big screw up, you’ll be on the ‘don’t use them again’ request list of the UFC.

[@arjunpadda]

PLEASE RESPOND TO TANK ABBOTT’S CLAIMS AGAINST YOU ON ROGAN BIG JOHN

[@astralseeker]

Josh is one of the very rare fighter I was seriously concerned about (for his health) while fighting tony

[@williamandrews4251]

I went to a boxing in Fayetteville North Carolina.The main event was between Riddick Bowe and Razor Rudduck.Rudduck landed a shot early in the fight and it sounded like a baseball bat hitting a ball.LikeM80 firecracker..So Loud.Bowe ended up winning, but l will never forget that punch.

[@M-Peek]

Big John vs tank Abbott… brought to you by triller

[@donniedoesdishes]

i didnt have dustin winning any rounds , he had a few 15 second spurts while afterward islam punished him and in every round had chance to end the fight , dustin looked tired in the 5th and that ankle pick proved everything dustin wasnt getting up and knew it was over

[@stevend481]

Jon should respond to the Tank comments!

[@dashingkevs3295]

Beso, iirc firas gave dp the 2nd too

[@Stressfree21]

Now make one for stoppages

[@abdulhamza172]

Ufc should have 5 judges just incase one or w of them have a "bad night" that can end up ruins a fighters career... Especially after that jones and Reyes fight

[@meatrocket6979]

The judging was fine I had costa winning 49-46 and Almeida winning too

[@mikeross111]

A lot of bias in judging. Sean Strickland has had so many split decisions on his record. These judges don't appreciate all the negative stuff Sean says about them.

[@sainttrunks1982]

Please Speak on This FOR ONCE Josh & Jon‼ This would be the first time they addressed the MMA REF/Judging Issues in the sport. #FINALLY #BetterLAteThanNever

[@mitchg2532]

We want karen McCartney

[@jovanihernandez1948]

DAMAGE BASED SCORING! POSITIONAL ADVANTAGE MEANS NOTHING it’s amazing how people that have been watching the sport for decades still don’t understand that one judge will always be a dissenter even if it’s not what they actually think just like the supreme court, the costa and strickland fight was clearly a sd and the main even would clearly have been a sd had the fight went the distance

[@forwardmoving8252]

Dude you clearly know absolutely nothing about this sport so stop talking. Split decision doesn't mean the fight is close, it just means the judges saw it differently from eachother, even if there was a clear winner in everyone else's eyes. You can't say any fight is "clearly a SD" because that implies it SHOULD have multiple different scores which makes no sense 😂 you are such a clueless ignorant casual. Sean vs Costa should have been a UD and Islam dominated Poirier so not a chance in hell that was going to a SD or to Dustin.

[@larrypheavbeach]

Sd?

[@jovanihernandez1948]

@@larrypheavbeach split decision

[@Rifframbo619]

Jon Tank Abbott has been calling you out and talking shit about you recently on every podcast he’s been on just wanna hear your response he said a lot

[@quintonlarson5346]

There IS an answer to judging but it will eliminate the possibility of fixing / robbing fights. And thats to give the judges at least 10minutes to run back the tape and discuss any differences etc. They are so quick to the decision that one wonders if they had it decided before the fight even started. Theres no ways 1 minute between rounds can be enough to consider all variables - has no one thought of this like ever? Dumb

[@forwardmoving8252]

First of all, if you think that eliminates any chances of fixing or bad decisions then you are just not thinking. In NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM is that true lmao. Second, do you have any clue how long that will make events? Adding an extra 10+ min delay after every single fight would not be viable at all.

[@quintonlarson5346]

@@forwardmoving8252 okidokes, bad judging with zero accountability is here to stay. Maybe 5 minutes then just for some slow motions etc. As for how long events would take, they got the media on repeat all fight week and again between fights. Surely they can add 5 minutes for the judges and show like a post fight review as the judging is on its way. Ever notice the crowd just after the fight when they jam the highlights? Then as you think dang there was so much more they could have shown, their in the centre announcing a decision that can make or break a fighters career. But im just not thinking.

[@meatrocket6979]

Wtf is wrong with u guy’s the judges scoring was fine except the Sean fight costa should A got the decision 49-46 Sean barely did anything costa caused the most damage

[@derekyates43]

John ways taking up for judges because of his son

[@PozzaPizz]

2 and 4 for Dustin isn't bad that's what I had and many others too

[@dizzio]

I need to watch the fight back, but I also gave R2 to Dustin and most seemed to have give him R4 so I don't think that's bad at all

[@TrumpsaTerroristChangeMyMind]

I was rooting for Dustin so hard! But god damn I barely gave him round 4 if not for the cut😅 Rounds 1,2 and 3 clear as day for Islam The change where Dustin started to take over was due to him going for it sacrificing his chin for lower hands to stop takedowns That’s why he started getting pieced up he warning it into a bar brawler So few fighters do this for longevity reasons so all respect to Dustin

[@nancyrivera4918]

Good thing you're not the Judge.

[@forwardmoving8252]

Nobody with a brain had that score 😂

[@forwardmoving8252]

​@dizzio you have downs

[@stangovation6459]

Sal D’mato should judge every fight alone

[@A1v5p9]

Legend!

[@Sphynxxx719]

Lol absolutely not. He's had plenty of shit cards

[@meatrocket6979]

No they need Cecil peoples he was by far the best

[@stangovation6459]

@@Sphynxxx719 your going to have to actually have references when slandering this man’s name. Every single card I’ve seen where I checked his score card it always made sense. I think your arguing to argue like a woman would

[@Sphynxxx719]

@@stangovation6459 I don't have to memorize every example. Try actually going through his score cards and then listening to the controversy around those fights. I remember his name because Anik always talks about him on his pod. Sounds like you think you know everything. Like a woman would 😂😂🤡🤡

[@claytonjohn6473]

I heard chuck norris washes Rodtangs underwear. lol

[@sagalib2020]

Judging should be based on Computer / AI

[@sainttrunks1982]

not quite

[@astralseeker]

absolutely impossible

[@meatrocket6979]

The judges scoring was fine everyone freaking out 99% of the time they get it right

[@RS-rc9sq]

BS take as usual

[@abukhalidali1823]

i thjnk thes eoundits or oen of hem is deusuinal distin only got elbo to fet cut on islam but they did jot see wht islam hit ..Like thomas did good anlaysiisa itbwas close bit never Dustin ...stop this delusion Fustin i gave him the last round in begining 2 moutes thast all but he was submitted

[@harveybirdman_23]

Undecisive like herb dean in the alex vs Jamal fight.

[@30yearsoldiam1]

John McCartney is such a half wit