WEIGHTED DIP SHOULDER PAIN? AVOID THESE 3 MISTAKES!

[@darthmaul4364]

Thank you for this video! I think that I finally found my shoulder pain solution due to 3rd mistake that you presented.

[@loostinpro7968]

My gym has only wide grip parallels for dips 😔

[@listentwice]

I sometimes have this pain, I will definitely try these out. Thanks!

[@jamesrosales89]

HOW to avoid an unstable scapula ? You didnt say

[@batuhan8063]

After i did some dips on rings , i started to have a pain btw my chest and with doc's recommendation i stop doing exercises for 2months. Now i started to work out again but doing dips and muscleups and triceps dips on rings started to become a dream bcuz doing that make me feel a bad pain btw my chests. İ hate this injury

[@ktdral22]

All the nearby parks have too wide parallel bars :(

[@gulyasroland7860]

Go for straight bar dips elbows tucked in ;)

[@blaiseducdaumont1280]

Thank you! And would it be helpful to engage the Scapulas before putting the rotator cuffs under load?

[@MichaSchulz]

I am not sure what you mean by that

[@Phy1987]

Sir if u had shoulder pain or impingement its better avoid dip right l?

[@FlorinCirciu]

Yes, avoid it for a while and do instead another exercise! I had an AC joint and impingement and that's what I did and then when you feel better after 2-3 months you can start working again on dips

[@oppressormk2594]

@@FlorinCirciuI always have sternum pain with dips, but not with incline bench press should I still do bench?

[@kenjamesjoseph8585]

Great content as always :-D

[@whyFINAL]

well since rings dips, i have no problems with shoulder pain :)

[@lorcan8484]

Same

[@wishesandfishes]

Rings made my shoulder pain worse - too much instability in the extreme ranges

[@StrengthGene]

Hey Micha, based on your second point of too wide a grip leading to more shoulder pain, do you think bulgarian ring dips would also induce shoulder pain to a similar degree as wide grip parallel bar dips?

[@MichaSchulz]

It all depends on the loading. For bw reps probably no problem

[@Wiizardii]

Hey man awesome video! The only question I have about the dip is, if I'm leaning forward a little bit in order to activate the chest more, do I move my legs forward to or do I keep them in line with the rest of my body? Cheers!

[@MichaSchulz]

you try to keep the weight path as vertical as possible

[@c4joshwa664]

@@MichaSchulz that is horrible advice lol

[@Brimocholas]

@@c4joshwa664 But if you think about it, imagine you're doing weighted dips. The load should move up and down in a straight line just like it would on a deadlift or squat above mid-foot. I would presume that would lead to less stress on shoulders. I think you misconstrue for a vertical body position.

[@c4joshwa664]

@@Brimocholas I actually forgot I even made this comment but yeah you’re correct, my apologies. I misinterpreted “weight path” as body position in which trying to stay as vertical as possible is not good advice.

[@max89109]

thank you so much 🖤 🙏🏻

[@JennyCool-sp7xu]

Am I the only one getting elbow pain from dips? Would love to hear your solution Micha

[@MichaSchulz]

Can you specify the pain?

[@subhanbutt1827]

use fat gripz on the dip bar

[@balbibou]

Hey coach, what about triangular dips bar you attach on a cage ? Any tips ? I've seen some people doing dips in both directions with this kind of bars btw

[@Fran-cq5su]

Could one of those triggers be the cause of scapula pain?

[@MichaSchulz]

'scpapula pain' is a bit general

[@marcgaleramunoz2912]

Very interesting stuff!!! I think I'm having the first problem, where I think I'm protracting the shoulders, nevertheless I think that I'm not depressing the scapula enough. I had problems with my rotator cuff lately, and I think it's related. What exercises would you use to strengthen the depression and also the rotator cuff?

[@kacza1472]

How about shoulder pain during OHP?

[@Pale25126]

Means you are out flaring your elbow,so it goes like straight from the shoulder. U wanna have an optimal 30/60 degrees max but everyone suggests 45° degrees

[@unnaturalatrophy5377]

A very weird question, what I wonder what size shirt you were wearing in the video 😅

[@JorgeReyes-bo7uc]

Ey Micha great video. I have found some people who experience pain but not right in the front shoulder, more at the end of the clavicule. I've realized this people while doing weighted dip lack the isometric strength to keep themselves up, to put the scapulas down, which I've heard you is something very important for weighted dips, instead these people kind of "sink". Do you think doing weighted straight arms dips could help these? Like having weak lower traps maybe? Thanks in advance.

[@MichaSchulz]

it's most likely a weak chest/traps. But yes, those dip shrugs can help

[@theevildead96]

Moin, beim ersten ersten Fehler weißt du darauf hin, dass ein geringer Subacromialer Raum mit Schmerz assoziiert ist. Ich weiß nicht genau wie es mit dieser Assoziation in einer Bewegung aussieht, aber in "No relationship between the acromiohumeral distance and pain in adults with subacromial pain syndrome: a systematic review and meta-analysis" wurde, wie im Titel ersichtlich, kein Zusammenhang zwischen diesen beiden Dingen hergestellt. Heißt natürlich nicht, dass der von dir genannte Fehler, die effizienteste Ausführung ist und nicht von einer Anpassung profitieren könnte. Das Erklärungsmodell ist nur eventuell nicht ganz richtig.

[@MichaSchulz]

Die Meta Analyse ist hier nicht zielführend: 'There was no between group difference in AHD in neutral shoulder position (mean difference [95% CI] 0.28 [−0.13 to 0.69] mm), shoulder abduction at 45° (−0.02 [−0.99 to 0.96] mm) or 60° (−0.20 [−0.61 to 0.20] mm). ' In diesem Bereich finden Impingements i.d.R auch nicht statt und die im Video besprochenen Bewegungen auch nicht. Niemand hat einen painful arc bei 45-60°. Die Meta Analyse ist also lediglich als Hinweis darauf zu verstehen, dass es mehr Research bedarf und man auch über den Tellerrand gucken sollte anstatt immer direkt 'Impingement' zu schreien.

[@theevildead96]

​@@MichaSchulz Eine andere Betrachtungswiese ist hier vielleicht hilfreich, um meine Intention zu verstehen. Das Erklärungsmodell des Impingements (im Schulter Bereich), besagt, ja, dass es schädlich sei, wenn der Subacromiale Raum abnimmt und Struktur auf Struktur reibt. ZB. eine Abduktion über die 90 Grad hinaus oder während einer Innenrotation und einer 90 Grad Abduktion. Dieser Ansatz wird hinterfragt, findet diese Reibung so statt und ist sie schädlich? Ein 1 zu 1 Übertrag ist hier definitiv nicht gegeben, aber eine generelle Frage bzw ein Anzweifeln dieses strukturellen Denkens. Es häuft sich immer mehr Literatur, die aufzeigt, dass dieses "Reiben" eventuell nicht die Problematik ist, sondern wahrscheinlich eine Überlastung gewisser Strukturen. Abduktions

[@theevildead96]

​@@MichaSchulz Der letzte Abschnitt hat's irgendwie nicht geschafft. Der AHD variierte zwischen den Probanden und zwischen den verschiedenen Abduktions Winkeln und dennoch gab es keine Korrelation zwischen Schmerz und AHD. Der Dip ist definitiv eine andere Bewegung und genau dies müsste auch untersucht werden, dennoch bleibt das Prinzip des Impingements das Gleiche.

[@MichaSchulz]

@@theevildead96 welcher Prozess letztendlich dazu führt… ob Verengung, Reibung oder Überlastung bleibt dann wohl fraglich. Für mich als Coach darf das erstmal sekundär bleiben, solange die Maßnahme und Technikanpassungen Abhilfe schaffen. Danke für die Anregung 👌🏻

[@theevildead96]

@@MichaSchulz Ai, die Erklärung ist definitiv nicht so wichtig wie die Trainingsintervention (von denen du definitiv mehr Ahnung hast als ich, da ich nicht als Coach arbeite). Da gebe ich dir vollkommen recht. Ich beschäftige mich momentan relativ viel mit Nocebos und unserer Sprache. Bin da also eventuell auch etwas zu sensibel ;)

[@bj12288]

Does weighted dips hit your chest or triceps more?

[@MichaSchulz]

Both very good

[@giannisakrivos5955]

How to fix the anterior tilt

[@MichaSchulz]

Engage your abs and glutes. Work a bit further away from failure if it happens when you „grind“

[@giannisakrivos5955]

Ah thanks man! But I'm referring to the scapular tilt

[@benjaminwetscher9614]

🙏🏼 great stuff

[@benjaminkoshy4995]

Then it would be good to practice dips on the rings if someone doesn't have a dips bar that is their shoulder width. 🤔

[@alhamdullilahgodgivemeever4540]

ich hab beim orm ein druck in der mitte der brust gespührt und seitdem habe ich schmerzen wenn ich schwer dips mache? was kann das sein?

[@MichaSchulz]

costochondritis wäre eine mögliche Diagnose

[@derunaufhaltsame]

Micha whats your Gripwidth in Dips in cm?

[@MichaSchulz]

Ca. eine Unterarmbreite mit ausgestreckter Hand.

[@a_francis818]

you forgot one more thing going below parallel

[@MichaSchulz]

Not sure what you mean

[@Dividendido]

Michael thoughts about crossed legs dips?

[@MichaSchulz]

Don’t do it :)

[@its_james_fitness]

@@MichaSchulz where should the legs be? Pointed forward?

[@MichaSchulz]

@@its_james_fitness straight down!

[@MrAllywood79]

I get elbow pains instead.

[@Аршан-ю1р]

Cool

[@dragos8839]

Hello, regarding parallel dip bars, would it be possible to have the bars at an angle without connecting the bases together and perform weighted dips safely without having them slip and falling on your knees with 50+kgs of weights ? I'm torn between getting custom made parallel dip bars (about 130-140cm tall) in order to do not only dips but also front lever/rows etc or a dip stand like yours which imo is the best you can get for dips in terms of stability. Thank you

[@MichaSchulz]

It will probably be pretty shaky

[@bendodd2405]

Why do an excercise with alot of risk when you can do a different one for the same results with little to no risk Just Do high to low cable push downs Instead of dips

[@MichaSchulz]

Because the dip is a competition lift for a lot athletes training weighted calisthenics 👍🏻

[@fez1929]

How much narrow is too narrow ?

[@MichaSchulz]

Hard to say in general. Roundabout shoulder width