Well There's Your Problem | Episode 127: Rana Plaza Collapse

[@splittin2atoms]

Would be awesome if you guys could edit the parts where 2-3 people talk at the same time . Would love to hear every line that's being said.

[@welltheresyourproblempodca1465]

no

[@bobsmith2637]

Go have a nice time. The chaos is what makes this podcast so great!

[@tomhsia4354]

@@welltheresyourproblempodca1465 In seriousness, though. Having captions (which I know Alice tried doing for some time) would be great. It's a pity KZbin disabled community captions, because I would have done them myself. Anyways, the chaos is what we're here for.

[@jbarbeau92]

@@welltheresyourproblempodca1465 Could you guys edit it so the entire runtime is people talking over each other instead?

[@Electrolux219]

@@jbarbeau92 you’re onto something. If they played all the dialog at once it would condense the entire podcast into a shorter runtime, making it more dense, therefore, more rigid. Which is what we want here.

[@IcarusAscent]

The line from The Grapes of Wrath that Alice referenced at 1:26:24 is one of the many parts of that book that never fails to stoke the righteous anger in my heart back from even embers. So if that’d be helpful for anyone else, here’s the full quote: “There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot.” And another of my favourite passages, more related to Liam’s sentiment that this must end one way or another: “And the great owners, who had become through the might of their holdings both more and less than men, ran to their destruction, and used every means that in the long run would destroy them. Every little means, every violence, every raid on a Hooverville, every deputy swaggering through a ragged camp put off the day a little and cemented the inevitability of the day.”

[@falloutghoul1]

Never irrelevant passages.

[@TSTypeR]

Happy Birthday Rocz, you’ll always be 50 in our heart ❤

[@thomasgiles2876]

Rocz was born? I thought he just corporated around a voice one day in Let's Play videos.

[@__-jt4tv]

I'm unironically *stunned* to find out that Rocz is 4 years younger than me. Something about his way of speaking and wealth of knowledge always made me think he was the wizened elder to Liam and Alice's chaotic youth...!

[@johannageisel5390]

@@__-jt4tv His voice sounds like that of a 60 year old.

[@Santiago111145]

@@__-jt4tv same. psychic damage bypassing all resistances.

[@nitehawk86]

I was sure he was my age in the mid 40s. But I mean that in a good way with a deep and commanding voice.

[@ZeRedSpy]

“There’s a decent chance that if you try to shop ethically, you aren’t because they are lying to you” is such a wild fucking thesis statement that is also completely accurate.

[@miradrgn]

i cannot believe justin is only older than me by however long the delay between recording and posting these episodes is. the man must've come out the womb already radiating a proud glow of 40-year-old substitute teacher energy

[@RatPfink66]

he was obviously born with a Bob Swerski moustache and a brown and yellow plaid shirt

[@alexandera2509]

For the 35 minute mark, the primary reason that fabric work has resisted mechanization and automation is because of the moldable nature of fabric. Machines and industrial automation requires highly standard products, and while fabric can be incredibly similar, small differences in the weave of fabrics can cause it to "lie" differently even if cut into the same pattern. The different stretch and curves mean that human hands are the best for sewing, because they can adjust to different tensions on the fly. Machines have a VERY hard time doing things like that. Keeping in mind that most industrial machines are running ladder logic, or otherwise insanely simple/ basic computer code in the background. Highly serviceable, advanced light switches in the vast majority of Machines. Some stuff is getting more advanced, but the technology of automation is really slow to improve. Companies don't want things top advanced, or the mechanics and electricians they need to service the equipment stop being able to understand it. You can't develop a machine complicated enough to do what the human fabric handlers can do, at the pace they can do it, without also exposing yourself to the risk or the machine going down, and you having to fork out 400 dollars an hour, to have an engineer service it.

[@doorhanger9317]

Especially when you consider that these "fast fashion" type orders are low volume, so there's no time or use in investing in machine tools to even partially automate any one process.

[@louisvictor3473]

As a IT guy who also has plenty management training, I have a few things to add. There is a sad reason why automation in such areas isn't moving forward as fast... and you probably know it already. Put short, because of areas with regulations like Bangladesh (and so because all the reasons they're like so), human labor here is still vastly cheaper than R&D and replacing the machinery and infrastructure. Like you said, fabric is somewhat fidgety... but it is not on a level you can't circumvent that. You could have machines that have sensors, ran that data through some primitive pattern recognition (probably college student level circa 2007, that primitive) and make sufficient adjustments. Or you could alter how the fabric is weaved by machines so it minimizes the variance as well as the threads themselves (thickness of strands, composition etc.). Or you can even alter how you design and fabricate the pieces more machine friendly, which ofc also affects the design of the machinery (myself just typing this came up with 3 directions that I am sufficiently convinced would work). Or some combination of these. What all of these have in common is both that none of them are real technological challenges. I dare say, they are likely trivial even, more of the same shite we have already and continue to so plenty... For new shit, that is, because the other common factor which newer inventions don't have much choice but to fork is a high upfront investment. Investment in R&D and eventually replacing older machinery. Doesn't matter if eventually it could pay itself off either, those many first quarters will be at least considerably lower in any prediction, which is time share holders/investors could be taking their ill gotten money and credit, and exploiting humanity some other way and so making more money for themselves. At least for as longer as just hiring functionally slave labor and using the same old shit they already own is an option, or if they buy buy more of the same old shit the slaves are already trained to use, R&D has been paid by someone else ages ago, and it is relatively dirty cheap. As said, it is hardly a technological challenge, at least not for mass clothing manufacturing. Maybe it would be in some high performance or highly fancy posh rich people's fine clothings, but those are really their own thing and niche anyway. Today, the only reason for all of this is simple and pure unadulterated systemic greed.

[@melmelhodgepodge3800]

Also not to mention the whole piecing together of pattern pieces and sewing them together.

[@abloopebloo9581]

@@doorhanger9317 there are also certain things that machines straight up just can't do that are now starting to be incorporated into fast fashion. Last year there was a lot of anger in online knitting/crocheting communities because they found cardigans with granny squares in target. You can't mechanize crocheting (the process to make granny squares), meaning that it was done by hand, over many, MANY hours, and they were selling pieces made of DOZENS of them for like, 20 bucks. It's so blatantly evil.

[@rawbebaba]

Well also when you buy the equipment like that's it, everything is set up around that and you don't wanna be replacing everything in 10 years. Like most of the CPU systems and cpu stuff in my foundry is all as old as the foundry equipment we use 30-40 years old

[@doorhanger9317]

Probably an important point on the Bangladeshi garment industry: it's not just a neocolonial thing. Textile production, in particular high-volume textile production, has a *deep* history in the Bengal region, going back centuries. There's the classic estimates that the Bengal area alone comprised about a quarter of the world's economic output before the HEIC takeover, and the largest industry in Bengal at that time was the textile industry, just to give the right sense of scale The people of this area have been making and trading clothes on a vast scale for many times longer than there has been an imperial system to extract everything from them in the process. Edit: and really there's a whole colonial history here like it's hard not to talk about how the HEIC obliterated this hugely profitable industry and replaced cotton fields with opium fields so they could send more Chinese people into a strategic k-hole, and that even then India was so good at making textiles that the Crown was forced to do protectionism against their own trading company to save England's largely sheep-based economy, etc.

[@smatthewson2613]

Strategic K hole is a good album title.

[@xmlthegreat]

I had actual history lessons about all this. Including the opium wars etc. And this was a 2 book series that covered just as much history of colonialism as it could. I just recently started realising that the Indian NCERT history text books were incredibly good compared to other history texts I've seen...

[@trioptimum9027]

Yeah, so that's one of those weird things they don't teach you in history class: British colonialism destroyed the industrial economy of the Indian subcontinent so they could sell cloth there instead of buying it... And without that, chattel slavery in the US would likely have withered away. (Remember how the Founding Fathers kinda thought if they just ignored it, it would go away? They weren't actually wrong: it might very well have, if the cotton market hadn't gotten huge because the British destroyed the competition.)

[@grmpEqweer]

​@@trioptimum9027 😮

[@kacierowlette1664]

The British also basically killed off the production of Dhaka muslin, a famously sheer and lightweight variety of muslin made from handspun cotton, and researchers only just started making saris out of muslin again in 2020 because so much knowledge was lost under EIC and direct British imperial rule.

[@cas013500]

Everything you can buy at Starbucks is legally a milkshake is the best description I've ever heard.

[@fragglet]

America's best loved milkshake bar

[@laurenr1087]

Or as comedian Dana Gould put it: "people want to drink a sheet cake that makes them nervous."

[@EmyrDerfel]

Do they not offer espresso over there?

[@goosiesmoosies]

I'd love an 'oops, all the god damn news' episode someday. I've never learned so much about sandwiches and their complex identities!

[@ebnertra0004]

That or just Safety Thirds

[@Whammytap]

Hey, you got your wish!

[@goosiesmoosies]

@@Whammytap yes!!

[@dappercyborg7697]

Devon continues to be incredible, ‘that’s not an actionable threat Liam can’t launch people into space…. Ok that actually is an actionable threat he probably could get a chainsaw if he wanted’

[@masada3249]

Hi, it's me again, the sandwich & pizza shop employee who got gassed in the bathroom. I'd like to weigh in on the cheesesteak discussion by describing the steak grinder and chicago steak grinder we make at work. Steak grinder: "ribeye" steak (precooked stuff out of a bag), fresh mushrooms (they are actually fresh sliced), onion, green peppers, mayo on the bread, white cheese blend, then it's toasted and gets shredded lettuce and tomato. The chicago is: same steak, mushroom, onion, garlic butter spread on both pieces of bread, cheese, then toasted and no lettuce or tomato. I like both of them but they're really not philly cheese's.

[@supernovero]

I think about your story everytime I open the chem closet at work

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

That Chicago Grinder sounds pretty great. Although your steak description puts me in mind of Steak-Umms.

[@Altoclarinets]

A steak grinder is something you use to make sausage, hope this helps

[@masada3249]

@@PanAndScanBuddy It's better than steak-umms, I don't believe it's recombined beef parts, it does still contain a lot of water and juices though. The garlic spread on the chicago is great, it's actually margarine based, but we use it for our garlic bread too, very rich, very greasy.

[@zyavoosvawleilte1308]

Screw zodiac signs, people should introduce themselves by their safety third story

[@whatsoperadoc7050]

“Welcome to ‘Well There’s Your Problem.’ A podcast about cheesesteak disasters.”

[@bookcat123]

Truly the worst disaster they’ve covered

[@nekolalia3389]

With sliders.

[@ebnertra0004]

That cheesesteak looks like the random leftover food I would throw in the drain when I worked in a kitchen, right before I turned the 15HP garbage disposal loose n it

[@CatherineA133]

No one happily takes a bite of that.

[@rowen5435]

I'm from Bangladesh, it is sad that it takes an tragedy like this for the government to take regulations seriously. 2,300 factories now has been sought after but thousands people sufocating to death shouldn't be the price for it.

[@rowen5435]

BTW Bangladesh's HDI when comes to women's rights, infant mortality rate, literacy rate is higher than India and it is because we employ 40% of our women an India employs 20%. and it is mostly contributed by the garments industry. so I actually support the industry, just not the way it is set up now.

[@markuskoivisto]

Regulations are written in blood

[@LM-vb7qn]

The garment workers unions have also been an incredible force for progress since this disaster as well. Covid was a massive setback to organizing due to the mass layoffs but the couple of contacts I have are optimistic that as the economy improves that they will be able to start demanding wage increases and improved conditions again.

[@xmlthegreat]

@@rowen5435 Where did you get 20% from for India? I feel like that's a misleading figure since 35-40% of just the agricultural sector is female, and that sector employs a huge portion of the population.

[@rowen5435]

@@xmlthegreat agriculture comprises about 20% of India's economy... also-- World Bank's data on female labor force participation rate (LFPR) in India, the LFPR for women aged 15 years and older was estimated to be around 21.7% in 2020..... just google my friend. if we count informal work, BD will more so be ahead. main point is Bangladesh employs more women than any large south asian country (except Sri Lanka maybe).

[@excrubulent]

"...like a Jackson Pollock painting." That got me so good. Impeccable bleeping, Devon.

[@wabicajo]

"I hope these people have a nice time" is my favorite euphemism

[@c.djinmyr]

Firstly, I'm super happy Devon joined the team. Their addition to the podcast really blends well with the hosts. Second, I remembered that other countrie's safety discussion, but I did NOT realize it was 10 years ago. Lastly, Liam is right, stay pissed. We have good reasons to be.✊️ Happy birthday Rocz, and keep kicking ass Alice! 👍

[@segfault-berlin]

I can't believe Roz is only thirty. I dunno why but I always assumed he was in his 60's and near retirement. Given how he talks with the bitter resolve of a grizzled 35yr veteran of engineering.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

I think thats just what engineering does to you

[@danielkorladis7869]

he is eternally too old for this shit

[@nosuchperson5578]

the cold opens for these always remind me of how best of the worst always fades in on a random conversation the hosts are having before they switch gears and start their discussion

[@rossamundbrennan7248]

Over 10 minutes of cheese steak discussion, this is why I love this stupid fucking podcast 💜

[@warmachine5835]

In the cheesesteak's defense, peppers are good on a cheesesteak. I do not endorse the hoagie cheesesteak, and ketchup is a crime worthy of prosecution in The Hague.

[@FoxMacLeod2501]

@@warmachine5835 For but a fleeting, glorious moment, I thought you'd cleverly substituted the word "Hoague" for "Hague!"

[@v1v3k31]

I enjoyed a cheesesteak this weekend. Don't know how close to the real thing it is though

[@michimatsch5862]

As a German I was so baffled. What am I looking at? What's a pizza steak?! Is there ketchup on that steak?! I mean, I have been vegeterian for almost a decade now and I am still in shock at what Americans do to their meat.

​@@michimatsch5862 as a Finn with similar background: strong same

[@nicholasj.m.butler4435]

Shout out to Devon for some of the funniest editing and strongest voices for a podcast producer whose voice i’ve never heard

[@Waterseeker_]

If you're interested, they co-host Alice's other podcast Kill James Bond.

[@pnutz_2]

devon speaks on kill james bond, they're a proper host there

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

They have a great voice. I am jealous of Devon's cool voice.

[@brownishblue]

i hate the noise they make its driving me mad and by mad i mean "painful and jumpy" :‌‌(

[@xmlthegreat]

I see everyone else has also scrubbed the horror of being trapped in a subterranean grave that is evoked by episode 95 of this very Podcast, which has Devon in it.

[@AnarchyApe]

Alice is based for picking cocoa as the hot drink of choice. Also, string up Matty off the Williamsburg Bridge.

[@maxwellkazemba2299]

I'd just like to point out that this commenter did not specify who Matty is for any FBI/NSA agent reading these comments. Any similarities to any real named person are completely coincidental.

[@v1v3k31]

That Matty journalist who said something like "Bangladesh has a different kind of safety" gtfo build your building correctly. Even Stonehenge is sorta still standing

[@pearceburns2787]

Devs job as editor should include a "find waldo" where they insert Justin, Alice, Liam, themselves and/or guest into a random, unexpected slide.

[@aegea4661]

Look as a library school graduate and armed leftist I can confirm that libraries and armories are complementary in more ways than one.

[@MereMeerkat]

Librarian, can confirm. We have some old nitrate film stock in the vault, to start with...

[@bigmouthprick5852]

The republicans and democrats picked to ban books and guns because they're equally dangerous to their con. :v

[@Thecoffeefreak]

Whoever wrote that safety third is a writer with a gift for suspense. And also, as a poor, I was definitely wearing articles of clothing manufactured in that plant when it collapsed. Joe Fresh (in kkklanada) was a major purchaser from there, so here's another bit of hate I can spit at Galen Weston for making me complicit in his horrible, horrible crimes against humanity.

[@korianderbadger]

"No ethical consumption" applies when you HAVE to consume something to survive. Western societies are very good at framing nice treats (gangster bugs bunny hoodie, Ford F-750, Harry Potter game) as needs when they are actually wants

[@TalkingSoup]

as a former starbucks employee and briefly a union rep at my store, every single thing you all just said about starbucks is true

[@cholulahotsauce6166]

Solidarity with all caffeine slingers

[@kaledaX01]

Echoes of Sampoong already, just from the opening slide. Hoo boy

[@TICKLEMEPINK451]

Immediately what I was reminded of . Heavy machines on roof of poorly built structure =a bad time

[@phillipsiebold8351]

A suggestion for Five-over-one apocalypse is perhaps the Macewan Fire of 2007 in Edmonton where several SFH homes burned as well as a stick-low-rise under construction was what caused the fire. No one died but hundreds were left homeless.

[@PFMediaServices]

Yes. Want them to discuss the history and disastrous nature of my home! Also, it has a functioning funicular and a mall the size of the one in Dubai. ✌️🍍

[@bobsmith2637]

I love that I'm not the only Edmontonian who listens to this. Our whole city could be considered an engineering disaster. Roads to nowhere, narrow bridges, an airport in the middle of the city, I could go on. Putting a massive trash incinerator in the bottom of the river valley (where the Muttart is now) is my favourite part.

[@semirrahge]

Re: textiles - a few years ago I got into Japanese denim. I've always been interested in textiles and somewhat on the spectrum so comfortable clothes have always been a thing for me. It's really amazing what a huge difference just the fabric makes. Even 'basic' denim woven on a vintage loom is noticably better than most Levi's or Express or Gap jeans. Fancier, low tension fabric, and even rigid denim is such a lovely experience. It lays better, it wears better, it feels better - even in the same cut as a mass produced jean. And you get away from much of the sweatshop aspect with semi-bespoke clothes. Obviously most people can't afford jeans that cost $300 and I can't afford many, but I think it's one way we can make a difference.

[@seanhall8686]

It is pricey but I'll bet it will wear far better and longer than the cheap stuff. That's been my experience.

[@vortmax1981]

PRO TIP: It's much easier to launch something out of the solar system than into the sun. There's no reason to be inefficient with resources Liam ;)

[@distaffpope2603]

It's not about being practical, it's about sending a message.

[@danielkorladis7869]

@@distaffpope2603 and being sure that whatever it is, is absolutely, positively, 100% vaporized

[@adams3627]

Wait is Roz actually only just now turning 30? (Can confirm that "the 30s are fine until The Injury" thing. Didn't break a bone until I turned 32, upon which I promptly snapped my femur in half) Also, I saw that picture of a cheesesteak and thought it was a Rochester garbage plate

[@wabicajo]

I always pictured Roz as a boomer dad trapped in the body of a 30 year old

[@bookcat123]

Blasphemy! That’s not a garbage plate! 😏

[@smatthewson2613]

Yep, identifying with the 30's ok until injury thing; got a double spiral fracture of my tib and fib 52 days before my 30th - actually my first 30th, as I intend to claim I'm 30 for the next couple of decades- now sore as fuck after I dance even N years later.. yay biology!

[@num1otori143]

Late 30s and its been fine. Never had "The Injury" but I also have a pancreas that tried to kill me during my mid 20s so maybe that counts.

[@smatthewson2613]

@@num1otori143 lol, I've had type 1 diabetes for most of my life. Are you a t-1 suffra or did you get one of the other hilarious failure modes for that organ?

[@sleatersan]

God, I've been hoping for/dreading this one for as long as the podcast has existed

[@1121494]

Having prior knowledge about this one in particular from related professional experience and expertise, I can't wait to hear how much stuff around it they might get spot on or very wrong indeed.

[@1121494]

Also can't wait for the Chernobyl Episode, at last.

[@doorhanger9317]

Devon, I parasocially love you with all my heart, but every time I see one of those like and subscribe animations in a video, it makes me want to become the Unabomber

[@TakopathTraveler]

Always a great thing when Liam's voice is the first thing I hear in the cold open. Yay Liam!

[@funkbungus137]

lol "Liam probably has a chainsaw" I've heard a lot of true sounding stuff on this here podcast, this is one of them.

[@frank6842]

Let's go just started my new job today, and I'm still depressed. So dealing with that realization while listening to you guys and drinking a beer so thanks for that!

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

I've been working in my crap hole for 3 years. Which is like 6 years in zoomer years.

[@whoever6458]

Mazel tov on your new job! Sorry you feel depressed. I do too but at least beer exists and, even better, so does vodka! Cheers! I'm not going to tell you that anything will get better because no one knows the future but I can tell you that it helps to laugh at how absurd life is and I think that's why we're all here listening to this podcast. Much love, Sam!

[@rileyboyer3582]

girl same

[@frank6842]

​@@whoever6458 thank you that was very kind!

[@anactualjoke]

@@whoever6458 you should've included Mazel tov for the job, L'chaim for the beer.(or my choice of those two, the vodka) lmao. it's Passover, if you're gonna include Hebrew phrases, at least include L'chaim. (this is not a serious comment, I'm just being facetious)

[@erinfournumbers]

Shoutout to Brick Immortar for bringing this horrific, greed-fueled disaster to my attention. Glad it's getting more coverage.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

THAT would be a great cross-over.

[@triciac.5078]

That would be a wild cross over. I’m not sure if it would be good or just a beautiful disaster. I’d like to see/hear it either way though!!

[@DanArnets1492]

Didn't Fascinating Horror also covered it?

[@triciac.5078]

@@DanArnets1492 probably. Because I know I’ve seen a couple of videos on this. I found this podcast looking for more info on Bophal after a Plainly Difficult video. Maybe the London guy did a video also?

[@PFMediaServices]

That would be awesome especially as Sam (Brick immortar) has a job in workplace safety. It could be an entire Safety Third episode!

[@BBHexKey]

that's not a cheesesteak, that's someone's cursed ass subway sandwich

[@danielkorladis7869]

at first I thought someone must have spilled some other kind of food

[@BigHenFor]

For what's it worth - probably nothing - I find how the gang deal with these disasters is somehow life affirming. These disasters are rooted in the complicated dimensions of human nature. And if you don't laugh, you'd get mad or cry at how people behave. So I like the mix of the weird, the wonderful, and knowledgeable insights and critique the gang make around incidents that point out how f**ked we can be as a species, and how we could do better. Despite everything, I come away more informed and hopeful that there might be people in the world like these guys working to make things better. And Devon is really adding value to the KZbin version. This podcast is something special.

[@muscledad3113]

Can't wait for the fast fashion episode, sent myself down that rabbit hole sometime in the haze of 2020. Also the sound of a manual sock toe linking machine is fantastic.

[@whoever6458]

Written on your fists! Hell yeah, Devon! I'm non-binary myself and I had never thought about using the pronouns they and them but they would probably fit me the best. I find that whatever gender people mistake me for usually plays to my advantage so I just go with it but who I really am is just a human being without or with all the gender identities. Cheers, comrade!

[@dorklygamergirl]

never in my life have i related so much to a KZbin comment how I've explained it is, whatever has the most benefits for me? im that gender

[@semirrahge]

I'm kinda old now and see myself as cis but I firmly believe that gender is a concept that causes more harm than good and should be abolished or otherwise left with things like smallpox. It makes me fucking proud to be alive in a time when people can be like you, free and unbound by such limited concepts. You don't know me, but I'm proud of you, and you inspire me to be true to myself. Thank you for being alive!

[@wtice4632]

​@@dorklygamergirl mask off

[@LifesNeverHumDrum]

Hello fellow enby ❤

[@grmpEqweer]

I really identify with this comment. Thanks.😊

[@PostingCringeOnMain]

If that cheese steak was being sold at a local English football club on a rainy sunday afternoon during half time of a 3rd divsion match, no one would batter an eye. In fact they'd sell quite well.

[@ost2life]

Would probably go well with a nice hot cup of Bovril. 😊

[@danielkorladis7869]

that's an indictment of the food sold at English football clubs then

[@peterpanda5069]

the battered eyelids they sell really are something though

[@iamjustkiwi]

Yo as a guy now in his mid 30s hearing Liam talk about how tasty drinks hurt his belly is very relatable. I miss when I was young and my tum tum could handle lots of sugar.

[@Kik4s]

One thing I keep repeating to myself with regard to the "article" that Matty put out is that Freedom of Speech is not freedom from consequences. So he can legally put out the article and not go to jail, but you know, frontier justice is something that can and should come to people like him.

[@whoever6458]

Best way to start the day is with both a cup of coffee and a cup of tea because each of them contributes a different benefit of caffeine but my brain does better with some stimulants because I have ADHD. They gave me Ritalin when I was an young adult, my friends wanted to snort it and they got all wired, but it didn't matter whether I took the pill or snorted it because I never got all wired, just more organized.

[@whoever6458]

If people understand what you're saying, it doesn't really matter how you say it because the point of using words is communication. You can learn more artful words or match your accent to your surroundings maybe, but if people understand, then you're communicating and it's all good.

[@Nickolaikay]

I think what happened with that Cheesesteak at the beginning is that a city employee just ordered the sandwich for the picture, without thinking about eating it. So for the ideal picture, they just got a sandwich with all the fixings to avoid any discussion about "wheres the peppers" or whatever.

[@firefox5926]

14:53 see we could do high speed freight if we wanted to lol

[@senorsoupe]

I think I'll wait to watch this one until tomorrow when I am working so I can deflect my work related anger onto the events of this podcast.

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

I would, but I'm already at work.

[@senorsoupe]

Status update: Telling Sohel Rana and Matt Yglesias to go fuck themselves is better for my continued employment than telling coworkers to go fuck themselves

[@Sylvie_without_surname]

I accidentally skipped 20 seconds in when I hit play, and before I managed to rewind I heard Liam say "beat them to death and leave their corpses." Yay Liam!

[@Sylvie_without_surname]

Having now finished this episode, I've learned of several more people deserving of this. I'm currently stuck working at a department store that sells exactly these kinds of clothes, probably produced in exactly these conditions, and I want even more for the company and all of its owners to "have a nice time."

[@shtehfaw]

33 and I've avoided *The Injury* so far... Happy birthday and best of luck!

[@cGoryeo]

Happy birthday Rocz! Always look forward to your next release, tomorrow might not be ecstatic but its a joy to have you. We had you pegged at 40 but it's good to hear we've got so much longer to milk you for sweet, salty content. 🎂 🎉

[@thot_experiment]

That rant 1:27:07 is fucking beautiful and I will never complain about Liam ever again. o7

[@danielkorladis7869]

I mean I've never complained about Liam, cause tbh he's pretty funny and when he gets serious, he's great at putting into words (often in the form of actionable threats) the horror and rage that a normal human being feels upon learning of shit like this.

[@marinary1326]

Roz... is only JUST 30???? Excuse me, I need to go sit down (I say while already sitting down)

[@guitarbass95]

"Chainsaw __________________ like a Jackson Pollock painting." My god

[@christater5540]

big ups to alice for pronouncing daewoo (대우) correctly big downs to alice for pronouncing chaebol (재벌) wrong thereofre, we really cant tell if alice is good or bad

[@cholulahotsauce6166]

Right but you spelled it "thereofre" so something something glass houses.

[@danielkorladis7869]

something something Glasgow is a land of contrasts

[@alicecaldwell-kelly9530]

oh shit, my bad

[@Monoprismatic]

Any episode where you can see Corinne yelling something at Liam is a great one :D

[@StairStealer]

Near where I live there's a restaurant that serves Cheesesteak Poutine and I gotta say, it's worth the trip to the hospital every time

[@grmpEqweer]

I wasn't expecting the ending.

[@Rinasoir]

Seriously Devon, the edits were on *point* this episode, well done! As for the episode as a whole, I really don't think you guys can hit the point that these are real places enough when discussing them, so don't worry about coming across as sanctimonious, because you are right.

[@danielkorladis7869]

Yeah, these are real people with real lives and families who value and are deserving of life just as much as anyone else.

[@hrani]

Liam was on fire in this one. Truly a foghorn for our grievances in the best possible way. YAY LIAM.

[@geneeckhardt443]

Me, leaving my closing shift at the goddamn starbucks and putting on the new wtyp episode: god I never want to hear about starbucks fucking coffee again. thank god I have a podcast to listen to Liam, immediately: I Have A Starbucks Cold Brew, Vanilla Sweet Cream Premium Drink™️

[@JPR3D]

"It's Not. That. Expensive. To build a building that doesn't fall down." Yeah, but have you considered I can just pocket an extra $50k if I don't?

[@johannageisel5390]

In commemoration of this catastrophe, there is a Fashion Revolution Week each year. In my city (Magdeburg, Germany) a couple of professionals and hobbyist from the fashion/sewing/textile crafts scene are organizing workshops, movie showings and exhibitions about fast fashion and how we can develop a better way of engaging with our clothes. I'm going to provide a talk and workshop about sustainable historical practices and how we can adapt those for today. But I only have two participants right now. ^ ^

[@whoever6458]

Happy birthday, Roz! Thank you for being a part of this podcast! I absolutely love it!

[@whoever6458]

30s are very much like one's 20s until maybe maybe the very end of them. 40s are different but it's not all bad because people in general stop infantilizing you for the most part and I know that annoyed the shit out of me for all 40 of the years before then.

[@whoever6458]

Oh yes, pains are one of the big things that change. Pro tip: make a sort of tea out of Cannabis and lotion where the Cannabis is like the tea and the lotion is like the water. It takes the pain to the bone and significantly reduces inflammation so that if something is out of place, it is easier to get it to pop back again.

[@Lethaltail]

that honestly just looks like the "i loaded the burrito too thicc this will never roll now" of cheesesteaks

[@AbsolXGuardian]

34:57 The technology to increase the mechanization of textile production simply doesn't exist. Fabric needs to be kept at a consistent but not maximum tension in a way that is very hard for machines to do. However it's the availability of cheap labor that keeps resources from being invested in inventing like robotic hands to feed sewing machines so that you just need a human to set it up and let it run.

[@kyleclark4449]

Alice saying doohickey made my day, man. We're making her more American every day.

[@v1v3k31]

Uh if you look at the top of the uh panel and scoot to the right, turn that doohickey counter clockwise...uh

[@Jetsetlemming]

This was perhaps the single most viscerally upsetting event this channel has covered, jesus fucking christ. I can't believe the owner somehow crawled out alive from nine stories of the hell he made collapsing on top of him, but I'm glad at least he didn't get to keep his freedom.

[@ValerieEnriquez]

I'm glad you'll be going further into the ecological/economic disaster that is fast fashion. I learned about the Kantamanto market in Ghana (through the work of the Or Foundation) and it is some of the most dystopian capitalist nightmare shit I've ever seen. Basically, any time you see a service advertising that they'll recycle "clothes in any condition," be immediately suspicious. They'll probably dump it off somewhere in the Global South for people to do backbreaking work sifting through to try to eke out some kind of living.

[@ItzGuerrero]

Alice as an academic it literally keeps me up at night that the CIA chose Fanon of all people to try to keep alive. The fact that they didn't, though, is the only reason I don't think he was an asset, just an attempted one. The good news is a lot of people in the Global South (not in a strictly geographical but economic sense) have done a lot of work making his work better. Everyone, go read all five Fanon books.

[@ancientmaverick13]

I have a few thoughts as I have been to Bangladesh and know several people who live there - some in Dhaka and some not. First, the population density is no joke. In many cases, the only place left to build is up. And they’re not super picky about what is acting as a foundation. Second, the lack of mechanization is also due to the fact that it is incredibly expensive to import and difficult to maneuver if you did. (Our printers there are still using a press from the 60s.) Also, the electrical grid is shit. You cannot rely on it. Third, corruption is the name of the game. Laws are laws until they are inconvenient or your local politician suddenly has enough money for a new summer home.

Nobody every says hi to Devon in the Safety Third. Hi Devon

[@scitor]

Your Ad is the only one I never skip, in fact I kinda always look forward to it. the funny elevator music and the no-bs attitude is great and always makes me smile 😄oh and the other content is fun too 😆❤

[@ValerieEnriquez]

I especially appreciate that they link the source of the elevator music in the video description. I keep hearing that song on podcasts/used in youtube videos and it was driving me nuts trying to figure out what it was/where it originally came from.

[@sirgreggorygroda]

I'm kinda in love with Devon trying so hard to be the 4th guy, who neither talks, or is acknowledged by the other hosts.

[@marcuswalters8093]

I wear 19th century style clothing which is made for me. They last longer and they fit way better than off the rack. Vintage clothing is also great for this (from before 1930s). By a random coincidence, this is more sustainable than buying stuff off the rack. I'm not saying this to be capt clever, by the way, I ended up doing this for the look of it and the sustainability was a surprising side effect.

[@francistheodorecatte]

from personal experience, the speedometer on the dash-8's and dash-9's continues reading correctly up to about 160mph before going haywire, and the event recorder on 7856 (if it survived) should have recorded whatever the speedometer was showing. since the FRA will still have to complete an investigation report (even if the NTSB does not!!), we might someday get that detail.

[@FakeSchrodingersCat]

Congratulations to Union Pacific for the new speed record for a US train.

[@grmpEqweer]

As per most US rail operations, it was a trainwreck.

[@TheMouseAvenger]

I really enjoyed the Bangladesh trivia; I learned a lot of awesome new stuff. ^_^ Anyway, this story is one of my favorite disaster stories of more-recent years. And...I don't know what else to say, other than that I really appreciated & enjoyed listening to the talk about all the background information, insights, thoughts, analyses, & knowledge you gave pertaining to this disaster (& other disasters like Bhopal).... ...that your perception of socioeconomipolitical issues is exceptionally keen... ...& that I wonder when a disaster happens in a more-developed country, what people in not-as-developed countries might think. Oh, & another GREAT episode! ^_^

[@v1v3k31]

You should watch @mapmen and their short story about xx degrees enclaves along India/Bangladesh border.

[@Katie-gr6qq]

This safety third is a somehow worse version of when I almost fell into a trash compactor because I was 19 and decided kicking it down was a good idea. I hope the cop who grabbed me feels good for his one life saved.

[@AGenericMoron]

Twenty seconds in and I'm already having a good time because we're immediately in a rant about coffee products being garbage - You could absolutely get into the weeds when it comes to coffee and coffee-adjacent stuff. I can complain about this stuff for probably a month straight because coffee people are insane and obsessive, and coffee companies are cheap and manipulative, and there is so much confusion and misinformation and pedantry when it comes to coffee. This is why coffee people on the internet are unbearable. Coffee and the history of coffee would actually make for a pretty good bonus episode, though I'm not sure how you'd base an engineering disaster podcast on it.

[@SnausageKing]

There’s only one Nitro close to my heart, and that’s nitroglycerin

[@Eloraurora]

Thanks for the map, Devon.

[@danielwarren8539]

The arrest photo is the equivalent of a renaissance painting.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

One of those big group portraits, with all the FBI and police officers chipping in to commission the painter.

[@KawlinRolfe]

Trying to find something that will fill the void at 11pm. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I did not feel like seinfeld again

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

You made the best possible choice 🎉

[@oinksnork]

Also in the Netherlands there was a crazy Train derailment. A digger got on the rails too early, got rammed by a freight locomotive, to get absolutely smashed 15 seconds later by a passenger train going 137km/h 1 dead and 19 injured, and it looks horrific

[@grmpEqweer]

Sympathies extended.

[@oinksnork]

​@@grmpEqweer yes, very much, kinda forgot to say this in the shock of seeing this happen on my former commute

[@eleSDSU]

Happy Bday Rocz! And please people, remember that every threat is actionable if you really want it to be.

[@lyndonwesthaven6623]

I believe in Liam's ability to literally fire people into the sun

[@tabula_rosa]

the one thing missing to make that building at 43:50 look like Peru is all but one side of the building being completely featureless because the developers had stars in their eyes & were planning to acquire & build on every lot on the block & it never happened, leaving 1 hideous, nearly featureless 40 story concrete eyesore towering over 1 story houses & shacks

[@ytanddave]

1:17:10 that guy’s like “good thing I’m incognito in these shades!” 😅

[@Pharon02]

God sending his strongest warrior (Liam) his toughest battles (a frappuccino induced tummy ache).

[@Man2quilla]

Sorry I'm 1 minute late, Mr. Roczniak

[@iamjustkiwi]

Our apologies to MR YEARLING

[@Jablicek]

Devon, you're the under-rated fourth member of our belovèd trio.

[@nerdywolverine8640]

accent mark blew my mind. perfect

[@kevinsharp2538]

Haven't watched the episode yet but preemptively commenting "Fuck Matt Yglesias!"

[@zachwilson768]

You can thank famously anti-Semitic fashion designer Coco Chanel for first popularizing fast fashion.

[@charlesparr1611]

I live in Canada, I have eaten 'cheesesteaks' in several places, they always have consisted of Sliced roasted beef, with a mix of onions and red and green bell peppers, all combined in a pan, liberally splashed with Beef Jus, and loaded into a submarine shaped bun which has been buttered, and then the sandwich is liberally covered with cheese, rolled in foil, and handed to you. The bun, I should note, is toasted but before being split, so it's crunchy on the outside (where it isn't wet) but soft inside. It is wet enough to soak through the wrapper, and hot enough that the cheese is melting into the mass as you eat it, and it is utterly delicious. I think it may have had Mayo and mustard as options, and also shredded lettuce and slice tomato as add-ons, but I was ordered not to indulge in these fripperies the first time, and have followed this advice each time since. There was also a variation which featured a grilled split hot Italian sausage and much less sliced beef, and that one was incredibly delicious, but even the proprietor said it would get him lynched in Philly. I can't see why, as it's even better than the more traditional one, but then foodies are odd. Is the presence of bell peppers incredibly bizarre? Things that were NOT available: those despicable pickled peppers people seem to ruin so many things with. Pickles of any kind. Dip or gravy other than the concentrated beef Jus, although the sausage was simmered in some sort of red sauce before grilling. Salad or Vegan ANYTHING. The cheese was a mixture of sharp cheddar and mozzarella, someone said it should also have process cheese/'American' cheese (somehow I think that should be American 'cheese', but I digress.)

[@pennyforyourthots]

The roast beef thing sounds more similar to a "french dip" sandwich tbh. Weird that they'd call it a cheesesteak (although I guess when interpreted literally, that can be any combination of steak and cheese).

[@DC4260Productions]

Welcome to WTYP, a podcast about hilariously unprofessional intros and weird Cheese Steaks. We may get to the engineering disaster eventually, I'm not sure.

[@msc2u1]

I promise, I just discovered you guys here on KZbin and you have some of THE BEST videos/podvids I've ever heard! Please don't stop the humor, as it is much needed!

[@TheFireHawkDelta]

Oh fuck I recognize this thumbnail from Matt Yglesias's terrible take on safety standards in developing countries.

[@spreadsheetgod6812]

Hey gang, great episode. Just wanted to touch on something you noticed with the unfinished rebar at the top of the building. I'm an architect by trade and work with a lot of people who've built in rural/developing India. the rebar (at least in family homes) is a cultural thing - leaving exposed rebar makes it easier to add another floor, another room, expanding the family for another generation. Serves as kind of a 21st century aspirational symbol. This happens in Latin America too, assuming this is similar in Bangladesh... although I'm sure the tax loophole angle is likely. cheers

[@darthtater1231]

The moral of the story is that if there is no ethical consumption under capitalism then the solution is just shoplift

[@danielled8665]

At this point "first world" and "developing" seem kind of off the mark. It's more like "consumer countries" and "producer countries" Basically the countries that are buying goods and have higher quality of life and lower density, and those producing mass goods and have a lower quality of life and higher density.

[@Crazyfrog41]

It's always been that way... but "developing country" sounds better than "colony"

[@Spartan870]

What is Dakka? Dakka refers to the firing rate of an automatic weapon. Typically, the more dakka you have the better, and you can never have enough dakka.