Well There's Your Problem | Episode 59: Eschede Derailment

liam gets really mad at both germans and podcasters in this one
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[@inspirationfollows9692]

I worked for an abortion clinic in a red state for a bit, and we did indeed have an MSDS form for *everything*. It wasn't uncommon for anti-abortion fanatics to pose as potential patients to try to "catch us out" and attempt to shut the clinic down, so we were very careful to make sure we ran a tight ship. Part of my job was to inventory all the supplies in the storeroom and then make sure we had MSDS forms on file for everything in there. Including things like scotch tape and the ink inside the bic pens used at the reception desk.

[@snigwithasword1284]

Thank you for your service

[@ocularpatdown]

JFC, those fanatics are sheer evil. You work hard. Thank you.

[@wutzitrone4522]

I just want to know how one acquires the MSDS sheet for fucking BIC ink. I just know someone got a good chuckle out of that request

[@inspirationfollows9692]

@@wutzitrone4522 The forms usually have to be publicly available, so often it's just a quick google of "product name" + msds. A lot of company websites had a file repository, where you can search by the product name/number. There's also websites that try to aggregate sheets from multiple manufacturers. Minimal human interaction required to find them!

[@photon4076]

Well, as a German my only problem with this episode is the implication at 30:00 that without US intervention Germany would have won World War 2. The more correct thing for an American to say is "You'd all be speaking Russian if it weren't for us."

[@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei]

Dawai dawai.

[@heysemberthkingdom-brunel5041]

Druzhba, tovarich!

[@PandorasFolly]

American her can agree on that. God.....i want a reason to use that quote now. Huh....i wonder how long that bigger USSR would have lasted in that alternative history? Would it have collapsed more quickly? Later? Same time but more messily? Ooh the same time and basically the same way buuut soviet russia was too busy maintaining its European empire to bother with any kind of fuckery outside of europe. So a worled with a USSR from Ireland to to the Kamchatka but no Soviet support for China, Africa, Cuba, etc.

[@jb76489]

TIL lend lease was a figment of my imagination

[@photon4076]

@@jb76489 Lend-lease was important, but I doubt lack of it would have been enough for Germany to win the war. The nature of the war was that Germany didn't have the natural resources to persue the war indefinitely, it needed Soviet ressources like the Caucasus oil for this. So what the Soviet Union needed to do was hold out long enough for Germany to run out of oil. The battle of the Caucasus, as far as I can tell, wasn't a close call like Moscow or Leningrad. Lend-lease, iirc, was ~10% of the Soviet GDP during the war. That is not nothing, but it also isn't single-handedly keeping the Societ Union running. In addition, the majority of lend-lease material the Soviet Union received came from Britain, not the United States. So I don't think the margins were tight enough that support by the United States made the difference between victory and defeat. It did probably save a lot of Russian lives and shortened the war. So we should all be glad the US did intervene, because WW2 is not the kind of war you want to last a few years longer. Still, saying "you'd all be speaking Russian now" like I did works only tongue-in-cheek. I doubt a barely victorious Soviet Union would have strength or will to conquer the British Isles. But Nazi-Germany conquering Britain was also never really in the cards. Now, if the United States had decided to support Germany with resources, I'd say the Soviet Union is toast. So in a way America was indeed in a position to decide who wins the war.

[@woutertje62]

that briefcase guy was Jack Churchill (no relation to Winston). he was an actor, arctic explorer, parachutist, one of the first surfers, commonwealth games archer and soldier that got bored with the army in the 30's. he rejoined when the war broke out and is known for playing bagpipes on the battlefield and making the last recorded longbow kill in war.

[@teg24601]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIXWdnqqbZlkptk

[@fizzgibble]

mad lad

[@masonturner0]

dudes rock

[@OpreRoma]

I know one of his great grandchildren. My granddad was an IRA Irish Traveller yet this only makes him the 2nd most dangerous ancestor in that circle considering someone else is related to Jack fuckin Churchill

[@maneatingcheeze]

He also used a claymore, not the explosive, but the two handed sword.

[@s4nari]

All rise for the weekly reciting of our oath: "Train good, car bad"

[@ExperimentIV]

im sure a lot of us are good musicians in this crowd, we could turn this oath into an anthem

[@s4nari]

@@ExperimentIV I actually used to play clarinet, sax, and still play didgeridoo! 🤪

[@ExperimentIV]

@@s4nari oh hell that rules. i can't get the hang of circular breathing!

[@MrGollum27]

@@ExperimentIV nor I

[@MrGollum27]

@@ExperimentIV That Idea rules

[@effluviah7544]

See train: YES! See train wreck: NO See train wreck in video uploaded by drunk communists with anxiety: YES!

[@at_omic8578]

now now, Liam is an anarchist

[@nowhereman6019]

​​@@at_omic8578Communism with fewer steps.

[@dmrr7739]

“What was that city we bombed that we shouldn’t have?” That doesn’t narrow it down much, Liam.

[@thehaprust6312]

I am assuming that he was referring to Dresden, but a) that was the British, and b) they knew exactly what they were doing when they roasted Dresden.

[@republicazi32]

@@HBK-6S Yeah no, the bombing of Dresden was without any doubt a war crime. At least Hiroshima was filled with military brass along with 40,000 or so troops garrisoned in the city. Dresden was a strategically unimportant city of culture filled with refugees. I think the 125,000 victims of Dresden would agree with me.

[@roborovskihamster5425]

@@republicazi32 That number is about 5 times too high.

[@klobiforpresident2254]

@@republicazi32 There were nowhere near 125000 victims in Dresden (we know the amount fairly narrowly). The city of Dresden was not unimportant. Look at the German rail network at the time. Tell me how supplies moved from Germany to soon-no-longer Germany. Dresden was a military target. It may be condemned as a war crime but at this point you spread propaganda.

[@gratuitouslurking8610]

@@klobiforpresident2254 Indeed. It doesn't help much that most the people who wrote up on military bungles also sadly are a buncha assholes who got spurned that we're still not doing dogfights anymore in an era where horizon-crossing missiles exist, or in cases like Dresden, literal holocaust deniers, and then somehow their bad takes becomes the norm. Just hear how many times these guys shit on the F35 in the past as proof, probably got it all from Russia Today from the same hack that started that.

[@patrick_test123]

The issue was fixed by putting in the air suspention with monobloc wheels that got rejected before because of the higher cost, by the newly privatised Deutschebahn.

[@Yora21]

Well, there's your problem... I recommended this episode back in the similar British train accident episode not because of the accident (which is pretty straightforward) but because of the cost-cutting that was behind it.

[@Daneelro]

What you write contains elements of the truth, but it's more complicated. The basic problem pre-dated the sham privatisation: back in the 1980s, the whole ICE development effort was hampered by the federal state focusing its R&D money for the rail sector onto the Transrapid maglev project. The air springs have been in development, but weren't ready by the time the ICE-1 entered service in 1991, so the elastic wheelset were a stopgap measure. The air springs were ready for the ICE-2, and the newly privatised DB did not even think of retrofitting the ICE-1. After the Eschede disaster, the retrofitting was discussed again, but rejected again for cost reasons. DB only mitigated the vibration problem with smaller measures: a tighter control of wheel surface defects, some minor changes in the suspension.

[@FTR-fw8nf]

Thank you for pointing out the privatisation part. They could have emphasized that more. Also i believe they stretched service intervals because of the new need to cut costs am i right?

[@maxjohkna]

Corporatised, not privatised. DB is still 100% owned by the German government, it’s just that it’s nonetheless run like a business for dumb NPM reasons.

[@einfachnurjan1858]

This disaster is the epitome of "you can stop the trolley at any time but it would cause the train company to lose profits"

[@artistwithouttalent]

Like Alice said, the _second_ worst policy ever instituted by Deutsche Bahn.

[@JoshSweetvale]

​@@artistwithouttalentThe _most_ worst policy also involves 'you can stop the train at any time but the company will lose profits.'

[@sgtkasi]

Everyone's saying that the next episode should be on the Enschede disaster in the Netherlands, but we all know the next episode is going to be the Tacoma Narrows Bridge Disaster.

[@johannageisel5390]

That's right.

[@Quintinohthree]

I'll say the episode prior to Enschede should be this one.

[@erwinveenhoven]

Just a letter of from Eschede, quite a banging fuckup so that would be a good one. But first I look forward to Tacoma Narrows!

[@lawoftsunami]

Boston Molasses Disaster.

[@TheEnoEtile]

Alice talking about how glad she is to be able to do podcasts was pretty touching.

[@murciadoxial8056]

you mean the part where she listed her favorite slurs?

[@SchlagerFreund]

A bit weird you left out what more or less (more) caused this, which was the privatizationof the Deutsche Bahn 4 years earlier. My dad used to work for DB for 50 years and when this happened I was 13 years old. When he saw this in the news he got very upset and yelled something like: The Bastards have finally done it. It was pretty clear that the Bastards were the board of management of the Bahn which "cut down costs" since the DB was turned into a private company.

[@eminatorstudios]

not to speak of the disaster of them not owning up to it until years later. I feel like it would've actually rounded out the whole podcast to include those contributing and exasperating factors. privatisation sucks.

[@feynaomi]

They also split the driving stock inspection and maintenance between different divisions so they could sell the divisions at the beginning of the year which can't have helped

[@ashleyfurrow4414]

Bastards.

[@ClaudiaNW]

I find it confusing that Germans refer to this as privatisation. I thought that what happened was that it was converted from a state agency to a state-owned company. In English we'd normally call that corporatisation, not privatisation. I mean *most* European state-owned enterprises today are organised as limited companies with the shareholding owned by the state. (And indeed Amtrak is organised the same way.) They're still considered state-owned enterprises. Am I missing/misunderstanding something? (I'm not German!)

[@leoniea.5620]

@@ClaudiaNW It's probably just because in Germany we call it "Privatisierung", so people assume that english speaking people use the same term but translated.

[@joshkarpoff3341]

Regarding the question from "Safety Third" about what the cubes were: I'm a union stagehand and systems engineer for Broadway shows in NYC, a freelance pyrotechnician for outdoor fireworks, as well as volunteer firefighter and HazMat tech. For Theatrical pyrotechnics, especially indoor, the typical fire and flash effects are done with small cubes called "gerbs". It is just a cube of pyrotechnic mixture, wrapped in plastic wrap or wax paper. These are then placed in reinforced steel metal bowl, called a Flash Pot. An electric match igniter, similar to the ones used for model rocketry is placed in the bottom of the flash pot and wired back to a fire control box, where a 26 year old dumbass tries to set it off on cue when a grizzled 53 year old stage manager calling the show yells at him over the intercom headset. The gerbs from the main manufacturer I think of, LeMaitre, are sold in packs of 12 and I'm pretty sure they're like blister packs that could resemble ice cube trays. These are not explosive if they are not ignited in compact sealed metal container, you know like a grenade. In all honesty it's probably some mix of slow burning gun powder and flash powder. Flash pots are wide open at the top (usually covered with the shittiest aluminum foil after they've been loaded) so the flash pot won't build up any pressure when it goes off. Instead a shower of sparks or a jet of flame will shoot out the open end, a known height, for a known time. I absolutely believe that they had shit just lying around in flammable cabinets as I used to work at shitty suburban dinner theater that had several steel flammable cabinets full of leftover Pyro going on 10 years old when I last saw it. When this 26 year old lightning dumbass and their coworkers dumped all of the old pyro in the burn barrel but just threw a match in, it didn't all go off at once. In addition the reason you don't use old pyro on shows is that after the use by date, the manufacturer cannot guarantee how the pyro will perform, the characteristics of the effect or the safety. If the stuff was stored in a humid place, it will be very smokey and burn really slowly. Hope that helps.

[@joshkarpoff3341]

To be clear, when I was 26 and freelancing backstage as my side job working as an electrical engineer for the state that I live in, designing standby generators for prisons (terrible job, happy I got laid off), I too was a total dumbass. Anyone who works in entertainment is inherently an immature dumbass, ADHD, and probably suffering from some form of debilitating psych issues. Cause that describes myself and pretty much everyone I know in the business and I'm the 3rd generation of my family to work in said business. So yeah, personal safety is absolutely not a consideration for most of these folks and producers are absolutely a bunch of horrible cheap scumbag pedophiles. In 20+ years working in the business I've only gotten free tickets to less than 10 shows, all of which were horrible. No producer ever made money by spending money. They skimp out on everything and will try to weasel out of anything that costs money, even if it's in an iron clad contract. My union reps are doing battle with the producers and their lawyers at the biggest media companies on the planet and they've won us great contracts and working conditions. But we have to be vigilant every single second of every single day to keep that. The union local president and four business agents are fighting back against a different random firing of a shop steward without cause, every single day. Oh and if you thought I was being overly harsh by calling producers pedophiles, I know more than my fair share of former underage performers who were sexually abused on the ubiquitous "casting couches" that every producer has in their office. A non-pedophile or non-pedophile enabler would be the exception that proves the rule. Unfortunately most of these young performers are pimped out by their horrible parents who have been exploiting their children for their own financial gain or trying to fulfill their own failed dreams of being famous. It's a fun, dangerous, well paying business run by horrible people.

[@EmyrDerfel]

Guncotton aka nitrocellulose is a likely option for flashbang effects, since it produces no particulates under ideal conditions, so you avoid creating a slip hazard on stage.

[@civishamburgum1234]

I'm german and the soup like homogonete joke made me laugh for several minutes straight. Thank you for that joke.

[@a_lethe_ion]

.. , Person im Gleisbett :>

[@dakunssd]

@@a_lethe_ion ...verteilt.

[@trapsilon706]

Me too.

[@propellhatt]

Wait, Germans laugh? Is that allowed?

[@civishamburgum1234]

@@propellhatt Not after 22:00

[@ViolentOrchid]

This is not what we meant when we said abolish ICE.

[@FortuneZer0]

Hey we are doing our best here! Just a few more years till those polar caps and glaciers are gone.

[@jamiekamihachi3135]

@@FortuneZer0 I think he’s talking about Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The US agency responsible for immigrants and was at the center of the “kids in cages” and family separation scandal.

[@FortuneZer0]

@@jamiekamihachi3135 ah the Biden cages.

[@deeznoots6241]

I meant it both ways

[@ottovonbiscuit132]

Look. You didn't even get the drops wrong this time around. Production quality is going up, and I can't deal with that. Unsubscribed

[@_RKev]

As a german, I am both offended by the accents but having gone through public education, I can't be mad as it is accurate

[@theo_korner]

Table of Contents: 0:00 Wie gehts? Intro, pronouns n stuff 5:23 What you see is a train and it's not supposed to be like that 6:53 The god damn news: I guess I'm fashist; Eating one credit card a week 17:24 Train go fast: What is high speed rail? 27:36 The ICE, faster than the Brits 33:29 - 34:52 Alice moans about Justin not editing this podcast 39:17: Some problems 42:23 They found a solution 45:01 Oh shit, he has a map and reads a date 45:49: something happened 57:40 it could have been worse 1:00:40 ... and Deutsche Bahn had known about it 1:03:08 That's a lot of XBoxen 1:06:08 The moral of the story: Inspections 1:08:08 Safety Third 1:20:21 Justin moans about having to edit this podcast And remember train good, car bad

[@abigailwharton6271]

And also with you.

[@PrfColdheart]

*finger hovers over the 'CANCELLED' button* 10:29 "Red Scare is a garbage podcast for garbage people." *wipes sweat off brow* Stand down, people! Revert to DEFCON 3.

[@hannahsaul1656]

You have any recs? Because I cannot have ‘is Alice in it?’ as my sole metric for whether or not a podcast is good indefinitely

[@RyanTennant]

@@hannahsaul1656 Why the hell not?

[@hannahsaul1656]

@@RyanTennant well I’ll run out of podcasts mate

[@RyanTennant]

@@hannahsaul1656 I suppose but you can definitely do worse for metrics. As for podcasts that are good despite their lack of Alice, may I suggest Street Fight Radio, The Antifada, Pod Damn America, Reply Guys and previous WTYP guests What A Hell Of A Way To Die. Behind the Bastards is good if you're interested in awful people from history and the host did an excellent series on the Portland uprising that he covered. Doomed and Sh!tpost are also good if a bit more news-oriented as they cover the shit the right gets up to.

[@hannahsaul1656]

@@RyanTennant thank you! I have worked in manufacturing (I just left the profession, due to lack of podcasts obviously) and god damn was it boring if I wasn’t mainlining other people’s opinions on politics constantly

[@BrandonJudy]

Sounds like Liam would be interested in my idea of The Last Left Podcast Left on the Left where we go around hunting other left podcast hosts for sport

[@jamesbarels469]

"The Podcast Who Sat By The Door"

[@ashleyfurrow4414]

I’m very interested and would like to subscribe to your newsletter

[@Raw774]

I come for the engineering disasters, I stay for the advanced inter-faith dialogue and Liam challenging other podcast hosts to throw down

[@HeadsFullOfEyeballs]

Da hast du dein Problem: Ein Podcast mit Folien

[@cortanathelawless1848]

Hoffe die bringen das bei der nächsten Folge über einen deutschen unfall

[@Amontadillo]

@@mmerald-t5w machste nichts

[@ClimateDude]

..Der in sich selbst ein Problem ist.

[@kisachi6971]

You could even say: Da haben wir den Salat

[@johpfit760]

Der Zug sollte nicht so aussehen

[@NotJustBikes]

All speeds in miles per hour. ಠ_ಠ

[@lainalien]

Smoots per second please, this is science

[@Jung-Thug]

All you have to do is multiply by 8 and you'll know how fast it is in furlongs per hour.

[@semirrahge]

Freedom units only on this Marxist podcast!

[@lakhnachfinabil]

When some of my two favourite channels collide.

[@joannalink6171]

Setting c = 1 is the only acceptable measure of speed for science. Source: I have a physics degree.

[@lasschesteven]

It took me a full ten seconds after I'd clicked the video to realise that I'd misread the title and this episode wasn't about the Enschede fireworks disaster. Anyways, I think the next episode should be about that one, to maximise confusion.

[@sweetprimrose]

I thought it was one fireworks factory explosion doco/news reel I had seen but it turns out I confuse it with a possible litany of Fireworks explosions and Fires that happen at places where Fire and Works are conducted. Or the way these things are stored - in the normal and safe way things so close to residential properties or a major grain silo or any number of things you don't want to be. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHt? - NOPE! That's why there's footage of a lot of these from usually more than one angle.

[@TheRealColBosch]

The next episode is on the Tacoma Narrows Bridge. *THEN* the Enschede fireworks disaster.

[@CopenhagenRayne]

I would like that one aswell if only to combine it with other national fireworks disasters, like the danish Seest incident which has changed national policy on storing military levels of explosives near residential area

[@CopenhagenRayne]

edit but without a main edit, a sort of safety third but how countries dont take explosives serious unless the military says how much they go boom

[@tylerzipay9536]

@@CopenhagenRayne When they end the podcast 40 years from now the last episode HAS to be the TacNarBrigDis

[@woutertje62]

next do the disaster of the Dutch town Enschede. the "don't build a neighborhood around your firework factory" disaster

[@BicyclesMayUseFullLane]

@not a real person Zeg makker

[@LucasL512]

The episode where WTYP gets to shit on the Dutch for 3 hours

[@BlarryOfficial]

Eschede/Enschede would make a great double episode.

[@CatFish107]

You missed the part "Don't store fireworks which are more energetic than those you were licensed for, and don't store quantities of fireworks in excess of the quantity that you were licensed for" I remember watching a documentary on this incident, and one of the prosecutors involved talked about how they were able to prove the excess amounts by figuring out the launch speed of the freaking huge ass stone tower caught on film trying to obtain orbit. Additionally, it was a magazine, not factory that blew up. They were storing fireworks, not manufacturing them.

[@musclecat1005]

Yas

[@devinfaux6987]

Fun fact about the steel tires they used on steam locomotive wheels: to ensure a tight fit between the two pieces of metal, they built the tires ever-so-slightly too small and then *lit them the fuck on fire.* As they got hot, the tires expanded big enough they could fit them onto the wheel. When it cooled down, it was on there *good.*

[@nemo5654]

It sounds insane when you put it that way , but this method (not so much the setting on fire but heating with torches or induction coils) is still used for a lot of things to achieve an interference fit.

[@sydneycbr6466]

That’s still how the wheels are fit on to the axles if they are made of seperate pieces. The bearings are pressed on with a hydraulic ram to 50 tonnes.

[@Amarok41]

As a German i endorse this podcast and its message

[@FvFurz]

My wife is bavarian and she approves as well

[@WaterMan416]

Not throwing shade or anything, but I'm a drinking water treatment operator in Allegheny county and conventional filtration is very effective at removing most microplastics. Of course, it's not 100% but the current turbidity regs ensure that the amount of particulates that get past the filters is very, very low.

[@ciceronincheese7195]

The first time I heard the K-word was in They Don't Really Care About Us, by Michael Jackson, in the line "kick me, k*ke me, don't you black or white me." I was in 7th grade, and in the music video, he physically kicks out when saying "kick me," and then elbows to the side saying "k*ke me," so I thought it was a shorter word for elbowing someone. Don't worry, it didn't take me long to realize that's NOT what it meant.

[@theD0gfish]

The "smooth, quiet, and altogether delightful experience" joke never gets old.

[@musclecat1005]

Just like antivaxx children

[@a_lethe_ion]

oh, it's now

[@ANunes06]

HOLY SHIT! It's a train derailment picture with more than one sad-sack emergency worker looking forlorn at the scale of the task set before them! There are MANY sad-sack emergency workers looking forlorn at the scale of the task set before them! This is a first, I think.

[@grmpEqweer]

Seems kind of a natural reaction, really.

[@siblinganon66]

They are volunteer firefighters.

[@BlarryOfficial]

Also, there's not a single folding chair on the scene. So I'm not sure we can even officially classify this as a railroad disaster.

[@Yora21]

The plane crash comparison was justified.

[@JoshSweetvale]

​@@Yora21Insulation confetti indicates a tube of steel coming to a very very sudden stop.

[@mokinokaro]

Reject cardinity, embrace Traindition.

[@musclecat1005]

Return to rail

[@fizzgibble]

Reasons for staying: Liam

[@vivianbombycilla8597]

Liam "Yayyy Liam" Anderson

[@CopenhagenRayne]

Yes.

[@luispacheco428]

Legit come here for the philly loudness

[@Raw774]

Yay Liam

[@punishedsloth]

As someone who has taken the Amtrak train from Detroit to Chicago and back 20+ times, I highly recommend walking into a 7-11 by the train station and buying anything else to eat before you board.

[@demos4382]

I like the food on that train. Beats airplane food

[@felixmatschie6824]

Speaking as a German as tragic as this accident was, still laughed my ass of at all the jokes about Germans very spot on

[@kanalkucker14]

Very true!

[@danielled8665]

“Anything’s a butt plug if you’re adventurous enough-“ “*S O THE TRam*”

[@a.gravemistake3061]

I learned about the K-slur from Liam. Thank you Liam for expanding my slur library, or as the Brits call it, a vocabulary

[@jamesderiven1843]

The K-slur? You mean Kant?

[@ClaudiaNW]

@@jamesderiven1843 Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable

[@jamesderiven1843]

@@ClaudiaNW Heidegger - Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could drink you under the table.

[@DerplingKing]

@@jamesderiven1843 David Hume could out consume Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

[@sh0gun___]

"I'm like 6 foot" - Man who is not 6 foot

[@Bob.martens]

Does 5'11" count?

[@BlarryOfficial]

Known as 'morbus Shapiro'

[@slaughterround643]

no, 5'11'' does not count.

[@_oe_o_e_]

6 ft 5ft 11 + 1

[@colinhubert213]

Rounding correctly - anyone over 5’6” can say “Yeh I’m like six foot”. Also any insect.

[@bln35]

1:07:00 the man was called Captain 'Mad' Jack Churchill. He's also the guy that took a sword, bow and arrow and a set of bagpipes into ww2. escaped as a POW twice. became a paratrooper. after the war he took up hostage rescue, surfing and a small amount of acting. as well as occasional work as a male model. he's a fucking god

[@thepanpiper7715]

Oh, the claymore dude!

[@prodigaIProdigy]

my constant refreshing pays off. time for train.

[@slaughterround643]

I thought just one hour before uploading "damn I could use some train-based disaster pod"

[@maxmustermann595]

Rail tracks definitley shouldn't cross anything! In september of last year a drunk driver crashed his fully loaded fuel truck. 35 m³ of fuel burned and destroyed three bridges on which the main line through the ruhr area crosses. This happened on the autobahn one would use if you can't or don't want to use this main line (which therefore rail replacement busses would use as well). Thankfully it's corona so it didn't end in total gridlock. The autobahn had to be closed for a few weeks (and in december for a few more) and the rail line had to be closed in one direction for a few month until a temporary bridge had been set in place. They plan to build the permanent replacements in 3 - 5 years. Let's see how that works out.

[@kingofthemoon3063]

Sounds like the truck's fault. Truck bad. Train good.

[@viniciusdesouzamaia]

Abolish ICE but it's internal combustion engines time.

[@rhiannahmunjic8036]

this accident personally inconvenienced my now-spouse at the time and frequently added two hours onto their commute

[@geoffreyentwistle8176]

So... How is that rebuilding going?

[@Vee_Astra]

You see, the space laser was originally built for pinpoint circumcision operations, but it only has to be turned up like one notch to do targeted genital removal.

[@chancekahle2214]

I'm just imagining one of those lunatics walking around in a tin foil codpiece.

[@Vee_Astra]

@@chancekahle2214 lmao, and you know someone would.

[@cGoryeo]

@@chancekahle2214 Somebody would make millions selling antilaser codpieces. Millions more if they also sold male enhancement cream for the chafing

[@frederf3227]

from genital removal to genteel removal

[@jamesbarels469]

from schmuck to 11.

[@simongiavaras7787]

I am a light rail train operator in the US. We have no trespassing signs that read "DANGER: HIGH SPEED TRAINS" in a 15mph zone

[@AlRoderick]

1:07:15 Mad Jack Churchill. As I understand it he's credited as the last person to kill someone in a war with a bow and arrow, took down a German sergeant with one during WW2.

[@redlibertyx]

Ran into the War with a longbow, bagpipes, and a fucking broadsword! He was mad the United States dropped the bomb(s) not for humanitarian reasons but he figured they could've kept the war going on another ten years and still wanted to kill people. Also was really into surfing.

[@mathewkelly9968]

I'm sure someone has been killed by a bow and arrow in the numerous civil wars , insurrections , rebellions , bush wars etc etc since ww2 . People still get shot by Lee Enfields from ww2 in a weapon rich area like Afghanistan.

[@benlubbers4943]

@@mathewkelly9968 Do you one better, they even used flintlocks in the sandpit (ancestral hunting rifles). As for another bow kill later on, hey be sure to share if you found someone.

[@Spacewith2224]

The "do you like to party?" was too close to home. I was staying at a hotel once and I grabbed some beers from the lobby and went to my room. As I got to the door of my room at the end of the corridor was this naked german sounding guy in his early 20's standing naked in the doorway with this girl, also naked. He asked me where I got the beer, and if I would like to join his party. I awkwardly tried to dismiss them, whilst I was fumbling with the keys. I was way too high to deal with that.

[@justinmccoy]

Alice is the star of every podcast she's on.

[@CatFish107]

relatedly, is the "trans agenda" to call out cultural bullshit that is widely (erroneously) loved? If it is, I'm all onboard.

[@ClaudiaNW]

She is so good that I even listen to Kill James Bond now, despite having seen almost none of the Bond films.

[@kamikazekittiesii161]

"Not looking forward to the exit surveys on this one" Are people really not aware yet what they're paying for? This is what we come here for. This is 1000× better than anything on History or Discovery or some other program

[@semirrahge]

Terrible German is terrible and I'm here for it. Also: multi-track drifting double++goodgood .

[@Yora21]

Roz is such a calmly speaking guy. But his jokes are killer.

[@AccOriginal]

as a german I approve of the accurate depiction of germans in this podcast, ja ja.

[@Yora21]

Reputation for efficiency: 95% Actual efficiency: 70% We're good. But we've done fucked up quite a lot too.

[@PhilfreezeCH]

@@Yora21 as a Swiss this also annoys me. We are clearly way closer to the punctual and super efficient German than you will ever be.

[@Yora21]

@@PhilfreezeCH And I thought you're neutral! Those were shots fired! :D

[@ernieee42]

Would love to watch this now, but I have to wait until tomorrow, when I take an ICE and go over that part of track - for the immersion

[@ernieee42]

Didn't work, the train took a different route than usual.

[@BicyclesMayUseFullLane]

@@ernieee42 F

[@johpfit760]

It's all downhill since the privatization

[@zagnorch1336]

53:48 Immediately after hearing about (SPOILER ALERT) how the dining car was "crushed to a height of six inches" by the collapsing overpass bridge, I recalled the collapse of the double-decker Cypress Street viaduct section of I-880 in Oakland during the '89 quake. A lot of vehicles on the lower deck-- along with their unfortunate occupants-- experienced a very similar & horrific fate. Needless to say, I hope that one day the fine fellows at WTYP will cover the Cypress structure collapse in their signature tasteful, reverent, dignified, and highly respectful manner, with very few, if any tangents or distractions.

[@mikeblatzheim2797]

Important note: Deutsche Bahn as such was only founded in 1994, out of the West German Deutsche Bundesbahn (founded after the 2nd World War) and the East German Deutsche Reichsbahn, which was actually the company founded in 1918 and responsible for the *cough* murder transports *cough.* And why would a Communist state keep the fascist train company going? DRG had the operating rights to the entirety of the Berlin S-Bahn network, and for some reason the SED liked the idea of funding West Berlin public transport.

[@David-rn4nf]

car still bad, train still good

[@eminatorstudios]

if the car bridge hadn't been there it arguably would have been less fatal of a derailment.

[@danielludwig647]

@@eminatorstudios it’s true. As Alice said, train line sacrosanct. No crossing whatsoever.

[@SadisticSenpai61]

"Now that we've offended every religious person out there." Laughs in atheist

[@welltheresyourproblempodca1465]

GODLESS HEATHEN

[@TheAtombomb1995]

GTFO

[@scarylion1roar]

@@welltheresyourproblempodca1465 you bet yer ass 😁

[@mathewkelly9968]

Like a vegan how do you know someone is an atheist ? Don't worry they'll tell you .

[@SadisticSenpai61]

@@mathewkelly9968 Honestly, that entirely depends. I've got friends in places where they're not surrounded by super religious ppl and while they are atheists, it's not something they really identify with or ever really think about.

[@Mclarenboy100]

47:11 Fun Fact: Liam's goof in "bombing the Nuremburgring" isn't _technically_ wrong. In Nuremburg, there is indeed a race track, namely the Norisring street circuit, which is held on the old Nazi Party rally grounds. It even uses the same grandstand that we see in those videos of the US blowing up the swastika as it's main grandstand. It's surreal, to say the least.

[@unknownPLfan]

I've lived in Germany for 4 years, and can totally imagine a German just looking a thing once over with a flashlight and being like "ja, alles in ordnung, kein problem" without really giving it a look. This is both fortunate and unfortunate from my experience.

[@kanalkucker14]

Yes, Germans are absolutely not thourough sometimes, too

[@nathaniellindner313]

"Do you want me to measure you" sounds kind of like a threat when coming from Liam

[@jamespocelinko104]

Seeing how many tabs Roz has open, all I can think is "What an amateur".

[@CopenhagenRayne]

the term is "boomer adjacent"

[@jamespocelinko104]

@@CopenhagenRayne I prefer "ADD as fuck"

[@ArninoStorm]

Justin does not edit WTYP because he stores all his editing power for Franklin.

[@thecalham]

"I don't know who it is but its not your guy " best religious realization

[@surrow6192]

I love putting expired pyrotechnics in my cabinet full of flammable liquids

[@neurosismancer]

As a Philadelphian living in exile in NYC, Liam is right. It has made me soft. At least a Philly Pretzel Factory opened near my apartment

[@kainhall]

1:04:55 back in 2011..... NE montana had 164 inches of snow . so the only place for the deer to stand was on the rails..... a train would take out 100 of them at a time several engineers quit... and had to get counseling because they could hear the "thump thump thump" of the bodies in their sleep

[@fintanio]

I don't know what Red Scare is, but I do know that I love trains.

[@DatTransChick]

The suitcase out the train window guy was Mad Jack Churchill. Yeah, that guy.

[@darthbob88]

Was coming here to post this. I thought for a moment it was Alfred Wintle, who was also a British crank of the first water. "He was once so furious about the lack of first-class carriages on a train that he commandeered the engine and refused to move until more carriages appeared." One of those people who Alice would probably enjoy doing a thread on. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Wintle

[@Vee_Astra]

Good ol Jack "only confirmed kills with a goddamned longbow" Churchill. The man consistently rolled nat 20s for luck and charisma, a more sane person would have died several times over.

[@stevenmacinnis6364]

This is my new favourite podcast! I can't stop listening :) I keep meaning to read theory but I always end up here!

[@JohnJohnson-jr6hp]

Is this podcast praxis then

[@stevenmacinnis6364]

@@JohnJohnson-jr6hp yes.

[@DylanWintersteen]

This is low key better than theory. As NOFX said, the peoples revolution is going to be a podcast.

[@stevenmacinnis6364]

@@DylanWintersteen it is certainly more digestible than book 2 of Capital

[@justinokraski3796]

it's a valuable way to relate theory to real life. Many of these disasters were caused by neglect and greed

[@SirDigbyChikkinCaesar]

As someone who's worked in the entertainment industry in the construction/fabrication end of things, I really appreciated this Safety Third this episode. The writer is spot in about all of the culture. Alice jokes about MSDS sheets, but I've worked in shops that have all of them, even the ones for wood glue... But it's true, from management on down, most people in the industry are art students who have no concept of what jobsite safety is or even consider it, I can't count the times I've been in bizarre and dangerous situations simply because no one knows any better or even had any common sense. Situations such as using single man lifts with both operator and welding rigs in them, gas bottles strapped to the side, welding amongst hanging curtains, being told "we build scenery, not houses" when the structures are going to have actors walking on them...the list goes on. This episode's story reminds me of the gig I had where, since refuse cartage was deemed "too expensive", after each session, we'd dispose of the old scenery by burning it in a giant bonfire where the flames would leap over 20 feet in the air (the glue in lauan and plywood has a lot of thermal energy in it) with little to no extinguishing capabilities on hand other than the beer we'd be drinking. Or the shop's I worked in that were heated by the scrap sheet goods (MDF and plywood) during Chicago winters... Man, the stupid shit I've done in my career... it's a small miracle I still have all ten fingers and both my eyes...

[@splooie02]

the jons from pod save america are 3's because felix was on lovett's show once

[@splooie02]

which means several top ranking democrats are 4's!

[@zemthemattress17]

@@splooie02 including gay president Barack Obama

[@louistheriault3900]

@@zemthemattress17 i'm barack obama. and im gay.

[@stefanostermaier8641]

I can remember seeing that one in the news. What I remember most is that it changed the attitude towards the psychological aid for rescue personal ('homogenate'). I suggest you do an episode on the 1988 Ramstein Air Show Disaster, it would include Americans, Germans and Italians.

[@MechanicWolf85]

Yes the perfect trio to donk on

[@heysemberthkingdom-brunel5041]

And yes the band is named after it. Even tho they later denied it.

[@cortanathelawless1848]

Lmao the first 5 minutes of unfettered bullshitery before it actually starts are so fun!

[@Stoyon]

Around the same time the ICE visited the US, we here in Sweden sent over an X2000 train set which ran on the Northeast corridor as a regular service for five months as a trial. It never lead to any exports, but the trainset was sent back to Sweden, restored to normal specs and put back into service. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_2000

[@spamviking]

The restaurant car bit reminded me of when I went from Flagstaff to Chicago and I didn't realise they didn't have debit card facilities and wouldn't take any bill over a $20 until I was on board and hungry. For the better part of 3 days I sustained myself on the free coffee, cookies, and condiments.

[@minecrafter023]

Eschede revolutionised train yoga. Just look how flexible it is.

[@cassesque]

I'd like to think it make a PRRRRP accordion sound when it squished

[@marinary1326]

"And everyone else can blow me" Liam, dude, I don't know if that's as threatening to the audience of this podcast as you seem to think :P

[@whym6438]

5:10 My grandma is that old, but she's also Jewish, so I don't see any K-slurring in her immediate future 34:10 Don't sell yourself short, Alice. This podcast makes me laugh harder than pretty much any other media that I regularly enjoy. 1:03:40 XBOXEN MY FACE HURTS

[@s4nari]

You're welcome Alice - This is weekly therapy for some of us. Also: Yay Liam! Hi Roz.

[@scrungly]

the guy alice is talking about at 1:07:08 is called Jack Churchill, known primarily for fighting in WWII with a claymore and bagpipes

[@JoshSweetvale]

Clarification: Claymore as in *broadsword,* not the modern satchel charge.

[@danance]

it is always a disaster when "Wisconsin" and "High-speed rail" are mentioned in the same sentence

[@TheArtistOfKuroo]

*long, angry sigh*

[@joshuasutherland6692]

More like well there's what I'm listening to while I hydrate my hangover away.

[@BadQualityStudios]

For future reference, it is only Friday afternoon, but in the current historical context it's more than acceptable

[@chrollo0427]

what do you do for the hangover on the other 6 mornings every week?

[@eminatorstudios]

@@chrollo0427 perish

[@wabznasm9660]

Takes me three gallons and two sleeps these days. Getting old

[@vidiia]

55:08 "Only the ICE 884 reduces a German to a soup-like homogenate in under 30 seconds"

[@joannalink6171]

"People thought "This is a dumb idea, why don't we improve the existing train lines?". Well it turned out to be a pretty good idea in the end." I sense shade being thrown at HS2's opponents...

[@viniciusdesouzamaia]

Hs2 is good and environmentalists are wrong on this one. Here in Brazil I would murk several motorists for high speed trains to other cities.

[@ClaudiaNW]

When I went on the TGV from Paris Est to Strasbourg I was amazed at how fast it was. Zoom

[@ejenglin]

Informative, fun, socialist, perfect. I love this podcast with slides. Am looking forward to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge episode.

[@andxx0r_the_second671]

In a paradoxical twist for a listener of this podcast, I now support everything that makes Liam mad. Because mad Liam is entertaining. Also, props to Alice's professionalism. If I was handed the wheel and soundboard of a podcast while the other casters were simultaneously draining and refilling their bladders, I'd just be hitting every button and giggling.

[@ClaudiaNW]

There are a lot of things that make him mad. Fish, Matt Yglesias, Pat Toomey, the Dutch, Red Scare, the Philadelphia PD, titles of nobility, Andrew Cuomo, capitalism in general, Joe Biden, cruise ships, taxes on cigarettes and alcohol...

[@HeadsFullOfEyeballs]

25:58 Surely if the big loud square train had been a Soviet design, it would at least be reliable. The passenger seats would be poured from concrete, but you could drive it on the dirt if you run out of track, and repair it using a hammer and spare parts from any main battle tank.

[@richardscathouse]

Credit where credit is due

[@Stoyon]

Yep, just make it more stronger

[@ebnertra0004]

The ER9 will outlive us all

[@dogvoter6473]

THE KILL JAMES BOND PODCAST IS HOSTED BY ALICE AND ABBY THORN AND SOME OTHER PERSON I DON'T KNOW BUT ALICE AND ABBY ARE BOTH AWESOME AND AMAZING. GO WATCH IT WITH YOUR EARS RIGHT NOW

[@verderuso]

this

[@eminatorstudios]

The third one is Devin if I remember it right :)

[@imsmolandangery4274]

Where is it I can't find it? Google is both transphobic and a james bond stan who won't help me.

[@dogvoter6473]

@@imsmolandangery4274 I googled kill James bond podcast and it came up I think on player.fm or some shit

[@lizziequin]

@@imsmolandangery4274 it’s on Spotify

[@satelliteexile2089]

I didn't think I was going to hear the phrase "carbon fiber buttplug" today, when I got up this morning but I'm here for it.

[@TheTmieBandit]

pyrotechnic cubes, y'know, those magical grey fuel cubes from factorio

[@kenjisakaie6028]

"What you're seeing on screen is a train" I believe you mean "was"

[@soccch]

I have never felt more anguish watching/listening to this podcast than seeing just how many goddamn tabs Roz has open on his Chrome.

[@juliannolte1700]

However many it is, it's not that many

[@TheRealE.B.]

Just duct tape a gaming laptop to the front of your grandma's old exercise bike.

[@ferky123]

Tablet.

[@itsacorporatething]

It’s duck tape.

[@TheRealE.B.]

@@itsacorporatething It's actually a really long story, but both spellings and pronunciations are acceptable now (although I'm fairly certain "duct" is much more common). Just don't actually use it on ducts. Use it on everything else.

[@itsacorporatething]

@@TheRealE.B. oh I didn’t realize duck tape was real I was trying to be funny but you showed me the light.

[@DerplingKing]

@@itsacorporatething it was originally duck tape because it was made of adhesive on duck, which is a kind of heavy cotton cloth

[@lostwizard]

I am resisting the urge to mail a package with some sort of powder in it labelled "this is not anthrax". Mostly because it would require actual work.

[@pastell6395]

Alice has to unionize they're making her work on her lunch breaks

[@Mergatroid]

I find it funny that trains used to go 110MPH from Chicago to St Paul when they max out at 80MPH now and take like 8 hours. Still better than driving that distance. Also, the ICE 1 trains are somehow still running (relatively) insanely smoothly. Last time I was on one was in Summer of 2019. Still VERY nice trains.

[@heysemberthkingdom-brunel5041]

The only ICE 1 ever withdrawn from service is the one that crashed at Eschede...

[@JoshKablack]

Peleton is worse than that. The hardware is locked into a proprietary subscription app.

[@Myrea_Rend]

Peloton just gives me cult vibes all around.

[@EvelynnEleonore]

lemme tell ya the Germans who ain't gonna like this one ain't the type of Germans you want listening to ya program

[@1121494]

Yeah, for me it's fine. The ones who won't like this one, as you say. In fact several months ago I messaged them if i could help them somehow with translations, on site pictures of it now or the memorial, diggung up any reports or anything, if they ever wanted to do this one, since I conveniently live in that state right now.

[@InterFelix]

I love this podcast. And even though it's a little bit hard listening to an hour straight of Alice doing a bad German accent, it's also mad funny. At first it's funny, then it starts to piss you off. And then it stops bothering you and only gets funnier from there.

[@derpderpson2188]

Little known fact: The tiny windows on top of the experimental three phase car were there to provide light for the 5 year old orphans that operated the mechanical components of the train.

[@tomhsia4354]

Oh, shit... It's THAT derailment, isn't it? This is gonna be good. I want to see that Chinese high speed rail crash someday. I can provide translations if you want

[@tompain9735]

Having a bad reaction to the second rona vaccine dose and staying home is paying off.

[@OddLeah]

A bad reaction means your immune system is working great! Lucky you! Im a nurse who hasnt even had one vaccine dose yet because my provincial premier is a knob 🙃

[@tompain9735]

@@OddLeah I had the rona previously and it sucked, I feel the same shitty headache and fatigue now but without the 103°F fever or the cough that almost gave me a hernia. I know one thing - my body HATES anything to do with this virus. Hopefully you’ll get it soon.

[@semirrahge]

Getting my first round tomorrow... Definitely is going a long way to easing my year long panic attack.

[@theNunnceler]

@@OddLeah what province?

[@OddLeah]

@@theNunnceler SK.

[@Josiahiswatching]

Awww Alice! You absolute sweetheart! Thank you for being the sweet to Liam’s spicy and Roz’s savory!

[@napalmholocaust9093]

Soviet stainless steel, especially the higher temp ones superseded the world with earlier rocket development. It didn't last forever with espionage and all that jazz but it happened. Prolly came from the reich all of it. Whoever came up with eutectic AL6-XN deserves praise.

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

I don't get it. Every week Alice insists the solution is to make something-or-other more rigid. DB do this and she complains it'll vibrate her fork?