Well There's Your Problem | Episode 64: Smolensk Air Disaster

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[@SomeCallMeStalin]

Wah wah wee wah literally piddling nazi propaganda

[@goatradish]

Mfer said "piddling"

[@ulture]

@@goatradish he's pretending he's a Regency fop on youtube. genuinely fascinating

[@DetectiveMekova]

Funny how that works. The right will jump at any chance to say that the left are nazis but the moment their members are called out for be actual nazi's they're like "No the damn commies are silencing us!!!"

[@SomeCallMeStalin]

@@DetectiveMekova "The commies never even gave the nazi-selected officials of occupied Poland a fair trial. Haven't they ever heard of the marketplace of ideas? For shame!"

[@SomeCallMeStalin]

@@goatradish Too many syllables? I'll dumb it down for the youtube comment section next time

[@katarn109]

"why cant we have a war somewhere we can point to in the map". Please DONT come to Brazil.

[@UKTVGlod]

The problem is they don't make the planes rigid enough so they can't survive hitting the ground without folding up.

[@kevinaumiller9781]

Why don't they make the whole plane out of the black box material? (Taps mic) is this thing on

[@Meatloaf_TV]

Lol we need carbon nanotube planes

[@deeznoots6241]

Make the planes out of high-strength aluminium

[@justinokraski3796]

the whole plane is a crumplezone

[@daltonkraft4241]

@@justinokraski3796 people too

[@gaelanmccann6686]

When I woke up this morning there were chemicals on my kitchen table. I hold Putin personally responsible for this.

[@The5lacker]

“There’s a bit of a right wing turn.” I mean the left wing just hit a tree Alice.

[@alicecaldwell-kelly9530]

is this some kind of metaphor

[@heysemberthkingdom-brunel5041]

There is no "Polish left". Only the far right and the right.

[@nader50752]

@@heysemberthkingdom-brunel5041 What about Lewica?

[@ZaxxonHK47]

@@heysemberthkingdom-brunel5041 lol of course there is the polish left, they're just not in power and people prefer to vote for the right wingers and the far right wingers

[@SomeCallMeStalin]

@@ZaxxonHK47 There isn't a polish left bc anyone who would consider themselves left in Poland would not identify with the ethnostate of Poland.

[@chrisweston6908]

1865 - Mendeleev invents periodic table 2021 - WTYP “Chemicals come from Russia”

[@TalkingSoup]

putting stalin's picture as the first slide for the podcast and then being like "stalin bad" is like going "pspspspsps" to the tankies

[@aguysomewhere8277]

New listener here that's been binge listening to all the older episodes. You'll be proud to know that you've succeeded in f**king with me pretty hard with the Tacoma Narrows Bridge Disaster meme. Actual time was spent questioning my own memory considering how often its stated as "the next episode" and wondering why I can't seem to find the episode in question. XD I'm enjoying the podcast, by the way, now that I'm certain I'm not developing dementia in my 30s...

[@johannageisel5390]

Once they actually produce an episode about the Tacoma Narrows Bridge Disaster, we know that either the podcast is over or the episode contains a hidden message about them getting harrassed by the CIA.

[@LungaFermata]

@@johannageisel5390 did yall not hear? episode 13 was on the Tacoma Narrows Bridge Disaster.

[@Melonist]

@@LungaFermata quite a good episode, one of my favourite in fact. Indeed, one might say it was unreal.

[@Benjamin_Kraft]

Glad I'm not the only one.

[@RavingDragoon]

(watch the live WTYP)

[@mattm1375]

Actually the plane was still in the air but the Russian launched a tree into the air with a trebuchet to knock them out of the sky.

[@russianbear0027]

Surface to air trebuchet (SAT) This russian trebuchet can launch a 90kg tree over 300 meters

[@ashleyhamman]

I am suddenly reminded of that Battlefield gif of a ballistic log.

[@Gantradies]

i heard they fired Smolensk at the plane out of a mass driver!

[@grmpEqweer]

😆

[@mysteryshrimp]

That would explain the particles of chemicals found on the wings.

[@ExperimentIV]

genuinely shocked that alice didnt have PULL UP! PULL UP! TERRAIN TERRAIN as a drop

[@siaa9992]

i really hope she sees this, hehe

[@happyhydralisk6885]

Please no I have enough trauma from ace combat

[@Deimonik1]

​@@happyhydralisk6885 the cockpit can't hurt your feelings. The cockpit: retard, retard, pull up terrain.

[@Hypocrite-ical]

As someone from the Twin Cities I assure you the Brooklyn Center police do not feel bad about this and will fucking do it again and would really appreciate it if everyone would consider their feelings of persecution and be more respectful of their personal sacrifice.

[@William-Morey-Baker]

I genuinely believe that women deserves life in prison... Absolutely absurd how we allow those who enforce the law to be above it when they should face far worse punishments than your average uninformed citizen... Back in Sparta those who were supposed to enforce laws received 10x whatever punishment a normal citizen would have. We need this, desperately...

[@Matt-yt2xu]

Really feels like they’re doing everything possible to turn the summer into another unending protest. I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if that was informing their response to the murder they did.

[@ClaudiaNW]

Given the juxtaposition of the news and the main story, perhaps the theme of this episode is "American cops are the NKVD but worse and more expensive."

[@Lessinath]

@@Matt-yt2xu of course they want to, without BLM protests to lie about, provoke and lather all over right wing news, right wing politicians won't have a chance in 2022/2024.

[@grmpEqweer]

@@ClaudiaNW By gawd, we should be able to get our jackbooted thugs on a tighter budget! I want my ass kicked without wasting tax dollars!

[@lorieslori8051]

I’m torn between being mildly annoyed as Alice pronouncing Polish names almost correctly but with a Russian accent and being seriously amazed by her getting a lot of the nuance of our political climate right.

[@Sentientmatter8]

She comes much closer than people normally do. She's unusually good at handling the consonant clashes. Edit: but yeah, the way she pronounced 'Strajk Kobiet' hurt.

[@lorieslori8051]

@@Sentientmatter8 I greatly appreaciate the effort she put into getting the names and details as correctly as she could but I am going to chuckle as “Yaroslav Kaczinski” anyway

[@swietoslaw]

I think they get political climate all wrong its more like from PO point of view ;)

[@Yfr28]

That's honestly a lot of wasted effort, learning about p*land just simply isn't worth it

[@taka2721]

Well not really. Jarosław Kaczyński was never a president, and the fact that not all of Polish delegation died in Smoleńsk, part connected to the Prime Minister of another party then PiS was a major contributing factor to the later conspiracy

[@deeznoots6241]

Smolensk is actually one of the few places where there has been a transport corridor to Moscow for centuries, its been in the middle of basically every invasion of Russia from the time the Polish occupied Moscow to Napoleon marching along the road through Smolensk to Moscow, and then Army group centre which went right through Smolensk. Smolensk is basically the gateway to Russia and has only ever suffered for it.

[@Eibarwoman]

Smolensk, it's smolder + ensk portmanteau seeing how often it's been invaded and you can't convince me otherwise.

[@laurynassedvydis320]

Smolensk and its environs had like 30 major battles and sieges since 1500's.

[@ArcturusOTE]

Somelsnk, the cursed city in Eastern Europe

[@GodzThirdLeg]

@@ArcturusOTE Is there any place in eastern Europe that isn't cursed?

[@sodinc]

@@GodzThirdLeg any forest (if it hasn't grown in top of some mass grave)

[@Critical_Hit]

Oh boy, I hope no Polish conspracy theorists will find this video

[@zinn303]

most of them doesn't understand english - make yellow subtitles in polish

[@zinn303]

or maybe better not - it may cause some stupid court claims - we are very good at this

[@BlarryOfficial]

I'm honestly glad they stopped the video after the technical details and didn't get into the brain-melting nonsense that is PiS conspiracy nuts. Even the wikipedia entry is fucking wild.

[@zinn303]

@@BlarryOfficial famous "sausage evidence" should fit exactly in podcast format and many others, but i think it's too much for non polish listeners

[@tardvandecluntproductions1278]

You will have to settle with a Qanon LSD trip

[@floatingstudio6363]

The aircraft was in fact shot down by a missile. It was a prototype of a secret Russian AA system, tested for the first time. The warhead is made of wood, as is the entire projectile, thus making it invisible to radar systems. In addition, it does not move as fast as traditional AA missiles would, allowing for a smokeless propulsion system, making the missiles movement almost invisible to the human eye. The system is still one of Russia's top secret military projects to this day. The codename for the weapons system is "Bereza", engl. : Birch!

[@danielludwig647]

Wait, are we saying that a *ballista* was the delivery system? Fucking beautiful.

[@nathaniellindner313]

@@danielludwig647 Remember that one Russian guy who knocked out a drone by hurling a javelin into it? 100% he was a Russian military researcher.

[@mathewkelly9968]

Wood isn't radar proof

[@MrJimheeren]

I’m not sure if you are sarcastic or are death serious

[@grmpEqweer]

Well, son of a birch.

[@greenefieldmann3014]

11 years ago when this happened, I was studying system stability (Nyquist plots) with an émigré Polish professor and came up with the perfect engineering joke for like 3 people ever: "Why did Kaczinski's plane crash? It was full of poles, and they were all way out on the right." It's been my burden ever since to know that it'll never be appreciated.

[@anubeia]

*slow clap*

[@mikeymikey4186]

That's a brilliant joke Fellow left-wing Pole

[@LordMangudai]

Roz writing K-Mart in Cyrillic as "K-MAPT" at 30:03 is subtly hilarious

[@Oscar_Lasco]

1:44 "Alice, I'm eating the food of your people!" That guy's eating haggis? Somebody stop him!

[@cmarano]

Funniest comment on the page. Nice job.

[@CleverCrumbish]

The problem with the "haggis is gross" meme is it's only really properly gross if you think real hard about what it is. To eat it's basically a fat sausage of peppery mince, which is quite nice to begin with and very easily modified to include things the eater personally and culturally likes. Not that vegetarian-friendly but I believe there are facsimiles.

[@Oscar_Lasco]

@@CleverCrumbish Thanks for the gastronomic tip! I wanted to make an easy joke but to be fair I tasted some haggis around a decade ago. As far as I remember it was okay. As a French I sometimes feast on animal's stomachs and blood sausages (with some baked apples, yum!) so I'm one to talk.

[@MazHem]

She's technically a Scottish Londoner so like, Scotch Egg, or deep fried jellied eel

[@anthonycondon5833]

@@CleverCrumbish I wound up in a bar in Edinburgh reading poetry on Burn's night and was forced to have haggis. It was fucking delicious.

[@kolorowyytoster]

Just a small correction tho, Jarosław didn't become president. After Lech died, Jarosław ran instead of him in the presidential election which was actually bound to happen anyway that year but he lost the second turn to Bronisław Komorowski, who, as the Sejm (lower house) marshal, actually was the acting president after the crash. Now, after PiS has won the election twice in a row, he acts as if he runs the place himself anyway so it's not much of a difference ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@emilymcelroy3124]

I'm glad to hear that Tomska and Vasily the torpedo welders from the Kursk episode got jobs at Smolensk Air Traffic Control

[@artistwithouttalent]

Tomska!? What did he have to do with post-Soviet Russian military planning?

[@violentram6235]

Holy shit, it’s an episode on things I actually understand. My uncle tried to teach me to fly and our local airport (by that I mean there was a small runway and one hanger owned by a rich old man who let my uncle use it) while flat, was in a valley. This meant in order to take off and route yourself in a direction where things are, you’d have to fly directly into a hill until you got the terrain warning and then turn left. As a person with only 3 hours total flying experience and with my alcoholic uncle as pilot, terrifying

[@gryffin638]

SPACE SHUTTLE EPISODE WHEN YOU CAN PISS OFF PLANE AND ROCKET PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME

[@DAFLIDMAN]

As both a plane and rocket person, I would support this action.

[@mathewkelly9968]

Is the shuttle a plane or rocket though ? I'd call it a glider

[@devinfaux6987]

I want them to do a three-episode combo: one for the design process of the shuttle, one for the Challenger disaster, then one for the PEPCON disaster that resulted from the halt to flights post-Challenger.

[@gryffin638]

@@mathewkelly9968 Well, it has 3 RS-25s at its base, though that uses fuel from the external tank. But, it finishes off orbital insertion under its own power, so it’s safe to call it a rocket of some kind. Yeah, it’s barely a plane, more of a slow-falling brick. I’d call it a “Boosted Rocket-Glider” or “An absolute clusterfuck”

[@Orinslayer]

If only we went with the original space shuttle concept instead of whatever the hell it is we got.

[@Yfr28]

This air disaster was a big joke among a lot of polish people, especially the youth. When I was in middle school(12-14yo) a couple of dudes in my class were staying over at school waiting for a class, and have arranged the pews in the corridor into the shape of a plane and roleplayed the(as then understood) events leading to the disaster. Big laughs were had by all, until the vice-principal walked by and everyone got into a lot of trouble.

[@tiigerpoiss2004]

Well let´s be thankful for Liam sacrificing his dinner time for our entertainment.

[@pin0teres]

24:24 Regarding the general in the cockpit. Thanks to cockpit voice recorder his sentence „Zmieścisz się, śmiało!" (roughly translated to "You'll make it, go ahead!") is one of the most memorable things from this accident. It sounds like something you would say to driver reversing in a narrow parking space, but it has been said to a pilot during the landing.

[@PobortzaPl]

It has to be added that phrase "Zmieścisz się, śmiało!" being used in kand vehicle context often ends with a sound of screeching metal. And then the same voice goes "A teraz zobacz co narobiłeś!" ("And now look what YOU have done!")

[@pin0teres]

@@PobortzaPl Nowadays it got memefied to the point you hear it every time an imminent fuckup is about to happen.

[@awaskycromslack3533]

Fun fact--one of the only memorials to the Katyn massacre is in Jersey City, NJ. A few years ago, the mayor proposed removing it as part of a redevelopment plan for the plaza, and this caused a shitstorm of epic proportions. We're talking town council meetings with people screaming at each other until two in the morning. In the middle of this, the Polish president paid the monument a visit, and the mayor tried to use this as a seal of approval to move the monument. That did not end the shitstorm. Eventually the city backed down and the monument remains where it was.

[@Jetsetlemming]

Fun fact about Stalin, the feud between him and Trotsky started with Stalin being like "Hey two comrades are over there making out, let's go peep on em" and Trotsky responded with a "go to horny jail" meme

[@Jetsetlemming]

They were basically teen boys from a shonen manga, once friends but fated for one to murder the other with an icepick

[@ArcturusOTE]

No way two of the potentially most powerful people in Eurasia in the 30s killed the other because they were down bad, I just can't

[@singleplaya0]

I remember when I first heard about traces of tnt on wing. My first thought was "of course. It's Smoleńsk. Ther were tank and other battles all over there. No problem to have traces of explosives just from soil"

[@tomhsia4354]

Reading the Wikipedia page makes my head spin. There were explosives detected. No there weren't any explosives detected. Actually, there were explosives detected However, explosives could also be detected in the intact TU-154M TNT was detected on the seatbelt of the crashed plane using a different test in the US. What, why, how? Who should I believe? What is real anymore?

[@singleplaya0]

@@tomhsia4354 I'm not saying that there were any traces of tnt on the plane. However such a information appeared in media at the time. I saw it presented as a fact, without any implication of a bomb. My brain immediately drifted to what I think is much simpler explanation, if it was a fact.

[@tomhsia4354]

@@singleplaya0 I know. I'm just saying that the Wikipedia page on this is batshit crazy. I'm glad WTYP didn't go into detail any of the conspiracy theories, it'll probably make all our brains melt. There is an official satisfactory explanation, mostly agreed upon by both the Polish and Russian governments, that's good enough for me.

[@zyavoosvawleilte1308]

@@tomhsia4354 It is like a bad true crime documentary about an unsolved murder, where the plot goes throgh all these mental gymnastics, ramifications and hypotheticals just to end in an "We just do not know"

[@t.o.6953]

For the record Smolensk's sister city in the US is Colorado Springs, and Philadelphia's Russian sister city is Nizhny Novgorod

[@alexroselle]

having a Russian city be sister cities with the location of NORAD headquarters seems like it would be awkward

[@johncenaversusthings8452]

I don't know what I'm gonna do with my life now that I can't bug the hosts of this podcast to have them make an episode about the Smolensk anymore edit: donate all your money to the groups linked in the description

[@ExperimentIV]

ask them about a space shuttle programme episode

[@louisaugustexvi4515]

ask them to make an episode on the philly salvation army collapse

[@arlvideos5662]

dont be shy post your picture with lech

[@siotsoni9854]

@@ExperimentIV That'd be six hours long. There are an enormous variety of things that went wrong around the shuttle (two major disasters: the Columbia breaking up on reentry, and the Challenger breaking up on ascent; the actual construction; reuse of the shuttle & boosters; the design of the orbiter; lack of unmanned flight capability; manglement being mangelement etc. pp.). On the other hand, it'd be a good time to talk about the things that went right with the shuttle, and stuff that was made specifically for it that's mostly still in use, such as the guidance algorithm for rendezvous with more or less anything in LEO, high-power high performance hydrolox engines that work efficiently at any altitude, consumables management, the robot arm, ability to reuse SRBs recovered at sea etc.

[@ExperimentIV]

@@siotsoni9854 they can condense it honestly to talk abt the disasters and the near miss that was sts-27? the space shuttle programme could have had its columbia disaster in 1988 if it wasn’t for sheer dumb luck

[@wojtekolszewski6835]

Very interesting talk, but I have a feeling that you might missed one rather important detail of Polish politics in talking about background of the disaster and its aftermath. You see President in Poland is only the head of state (with some additional checks and balances role), but not the head of the government - he's being elected in separate popular vote other than our MPs and government chosen by MPs majority. Why it matters? Casue Lech Kaczyński was, at the time of the disaster, the President from the current opposition serving his final year in office elected 5 years earlier while his party lost power 3 years earlier. This influenced his persistence to push as hard as possible to keep being relevant to politics (a lot of nasty and embarrassing pseudopowerplays between his staff and ruling government) and, more importantly, explains in more reasonable way all that crazy conspiracy theories that came later as they were not just madness for the sake of pure idiocy, but more part of political power struggle between Kaczyński's Law and Justice (as you said rather centre right drifting to righty right after crash killed some of their more moderate people) with Civic Platform (then ruling eee... centr-ish, liberal-ish, a little right-ish.... generally very lukewarm party). So, yeah, to put some not-entirely-accurate analogy: imagine that group of republican moderates dying on 9/11... only that there is democratic potus in office. This would put consequent conspiracy and political shitstorm on polish post-Smlońsk levels.

[@natalias374]

Wina Tuska

[@arourallis]

When I saw a plane in the tumbnail, my first thought was 'oh dang, they're doing an entire episode on the DC-10?'. Because that would be a roughly 5-hour episode, damn.

[@Gantradies]

the whole saga of the lethally (and knowingly!) defective cargo door really could go that long!

[@fish_birb]

@@Gantradies Convair cargo doors FTW

[@Madhouse_Media]

To be fair... the DC-10s only fatal flaw was the cargo door. Which is a hell of a fatal flaw, honestly. Then you factor in incidents like skinflint airlines replacing engines with a forklift, which causes things like the engine falling off during takeoff, and that would be a hell of an episode.

[@michapeikert9577]

not to be the plane guy but Tu-126 was a soviet AWACS, this was Tu-154 :ok nvm alice corrects herself later

[@ulture]

holy shit Alice admitted she was wrong about something?? (joking)

[@michapeikert9577]

@@ulture XDDD she just stopped referring to the plane as 126 and started saying 154

[@duchessofmelon9967]

I just love that the Nazis found the mass grave in Katyn and their reaction was basically "hey, this wasn't us this time!"

[@divecolosio4988]

With >:D

[@prazzlerazzle5565]

I remember this day very well I was 12 and it was my birthday on a Saturday when I had Polish school in the morning. When my parents dropped us off the school told us classes were canceled because of it and everyone was really depressed. But I got off school and just played pokemon so all in all a pretty good birthday for me.

[@windowsmoviemaker2003]

ah yes polish school, very distinct from the thing known as 'school' hdkdjskks. it was really similar for me! i remember there was a big temporary memorial in the rynek for a while after and me, a child with only a vauge grasp of what was going on, asked my mom "that looks really ugly why did they put that here"

[@2727daqwid]

Lol I remember that day too. My father said to me that there was a crash and that the president is dead. He then said "well, one gone, now just one more to go". (Talking about Kaczyński brothers). Well. The 2nd brother is unfortunately still able to ruin this country.

[@prazzlerazzle5565]

@@windowsmoviemaker2003 I'm an immigrant and live in Chicago so we had a polish language school every Saturday for about 3 hours

[@prazzlerazzle5565]

@@2727daqwid damb bruh i wish my dad was that based He fucking loves Kaczynski and piss

[@windowsmoviemaker2003]

@@prazzlerazzle5565 oh that's cool! no matter where in the world you go you will find polish people hdkhdjs

[@MHArcadia]

You look in the sky and instead of a bat symbol on the clouds, it's just a big middle finger. That's how you know someone's called for Liam! Or maybe _he_ turned it on because he just wants the entire city to know he _really_ doesn't like you and he's specifically using it to flip you off on a grander scale. Classy, tbh.

[@ElijahKilstrom]

Alice said it best "[the officer] is dangerously irresponsible and cannot be trusted with firearms." In the USA a person has committed manslaughter if they act with reckless disregard for the safety of others and as a result someone dies. I hope she is convinced of the crime she pretty clearly committed. ("She" being the officer, not Alice)

[@CommieGIR]

So here's the long and short of ILS: - There's a beacon at the airport that helps you align with the runway end, once there, there's two radios that provide Left/Right and Up/Down alignment which provides a "glideslope" (i.e. the slopes along which you want to approach to land at the end of the runway) then you just follow the markers on your ADI.

[@TrystyKat]

Years ago I was sat in a military-adapted civilian airliner on approach to a military airfield in the arse-end of nowhere and listening to the "Terrain. Terrain. Pull up." coming from the cockpit. Absolutely haunting.

[@SivakAurak]

Ramadan Mubrak, Alice! Looking forward to your hunger psychosis.

[@lasschesteven]

She'll want to become a food cop somehow

[@Materialist39]

hopefully they at least record after iftar UK time

[@GoredonTheDestroyer]

For the record, and this is no fault to Justin or Alice, Route 66 does still _technically_ exist, in the form of several state highway systems collectively known as State Route 66 and the _Historic_ Route 66, which is a National Scenic Byway.

[@windowsmoviemaker2003]

me, a polish person, reading the title: oooh this is gonna be funny

[@michatarka2642]

Same

[@martinn.6082]

Dzień dobre.

[@windowsmoviemaker2003]

@@martinn.6082

[@jamespocelinko104]

"Today we'll talk about Polish 9/11." Given Poland's history, I guess they were bound to have their own sooner or later.

[@warmetalpacifist]

Pshh... There was one more in 1987 when a plane crashed in the Kabacki Forest, so we had our 9/11 before it was cool!

[@xyldkefyi]

This is the first disaster I remember following live. Mainly due to listening to Austrian and German radio for the whole day while returning from holiday. It was extremely haunting to start off with "a plane has crashed" and have it spiral into "The polish government has stopped existing" over the space of a few hourly news broadcasts.

[@visioneerone]

“it was a controlled demolition!” “no, it was a controlled flight into terrain” i’m weeping

[@TheUncannyF]

Gang, thanks to all of You for being respectable. Boris Yeltzin admitted responsibility for Katyń during Poland's prime minister Mazowiecki's visit. Mazowiecki was first prime minister after overthrowing communism, and this was his first foreign visit. (AFAIR, but I might be remembering it wrong) @20:10 most of the attacks on Russia failed, however around 1610 Poland succeeded in taking Moscow. The Russians call it "Smuta" (sad time) and celebrate the anniversary of re-taking Moscow to this day. Kaczyński brothers had a call, just before landing, the content of which has not been disclosed yet. Lech (the president on board) was the more "normal" of the two. It is understood, that he was told by his brother Jarosław to land no matter what. Alice, thank You for summarizing our political situation, You've done well, especially considering the format, and time-constraints. I'm especially impressed, since You were able to relate our current political situation to this event. And rightly so. How the hell are You so involved in Polish politics?

[@shindenfighter3303]

That comment has a suprising for yt comments section level of insight and thoughtfulness. Im gonna edit after watching but yeah, thats good a summary

[@TheUncannyF]

@@shindenfighter3303 It might be because I hardly comment ;) I wish others would've been as restraint, and only comment when there is something valuable to add.

[@tompain9735]

Re: bar fights O’Donahughes (sp) in Dublin, some guy gets a fight with his girl so she slaps the full pint out of his hand. The bartender kicks them out, yelling that it’s not for breaking a glass but for ruining a perfectly good beer.

[@kacperkarol2958]

49:04 Alice tries to say "prawo i sprawiedliwość"

[@zinn303]

nice try, "ść" part is really hard

[@falloutghoul1]

@@zinn303 You should try pronouncing it like Donald Duck.

[@zinn303]

@@falloutghoul1 better try to imitate rustling leaves, but donald duck is close enough too

[@danielimberman7221]

I lived in the outer area of Beijing for a year, the (former) airport for regional mainland travel was close by and as you approached the single over burdened terminal, you would pass by several retired China United Airlines Tu-154 (or whatever the Chinese built equivalent was called). As an American I thought this was pretty cool as you don't see many Soviet era aircraft over here. Anyways, I was in the office late one day and I saw thru the window and out of the corner of my eye a low flying aircraft doing some very tight acrobatic maneuvers, when I went over to get a better look, sure enough it was one of those retired Tu-154's.

[@heysemberthkingdom-brunel5041]

You mean Nanyuan? It's one of the oldest airports in the world - it opened when there was still an Emperor of China

[@zao7035]

China United Air only had two TU-154M and they were all retired many years ago. What you had seen must be one of the six PLAAF electronic signals intelligence aircraft. PLAAF pilots are also known to be pretty violent with their aircraft manoeuvres. Btw, you used to be able to buy a ticket and ride in one of the PLAAF transport. And you would get a very cheap, very fast but very uncomfortable ride. Every time the aircraft have to turn, the pilot would pull 3G manoeuvres and all the passenger in the back would puke.

[@jclementine3371]

dudes rock

[@ignatgrz]

I'm a little bummed, that you didn't go further into the conspiracy theories and Macierwicz's commission's experiments.

[@lorieslori8051]

Yeah, me too, but putting that aside I’m seriously stunned how well two Americans and a Scot got the details of our political climate

[@ThomasShatter]

@@lorieslori8051 Well... Poland is literally following steps of USA. It just takes a few years for political trends to come here.

[@phenethylamine91]

The whole period in Polish politics since 2015, when the remaining twin took power, qualifies for a podcast about disasters.

[@ThomasShatter]

More like last three decades of our history... xD

[@arkadiusztrzesniewski4237]

100 % agree, Pal. Fuck the Pis!

[@DLBreidenthal]

Sees a new WTYP episode: :) Sees that it’s under 2 hours: >:(

[@alfalafelstine1536]

BRING BACK 4 HOUR EPISODES!!!

[@pelicans456]

@@alfalafelstine1536 not enough, we demand more episodes so long they have to be published in 2 parts.

[@RedSaint83]

Planes are boring though. There's a reason they're usually banned in Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe.

[@deeznoots6241]

Five year plan but its a single episode of WTYP

[@WebsiteTourist]

Side note: Jarosław was never president, he's deputy PM rn, acts as effectively head of state but in reality spent years of the PiS govt as a line MP

[@okilohajovic733]

It seems my prayers and magic have worked. That was great episode. It made me really think about how this disaster influenced our country. Also don't worry about Polish. It's designed to making no sense until you actually start learning it. Pozdrowienia z Polski! Tu też was uwielbiamy.

[@Materialist39]

“It’s designed to make no sense until you actually start learning it” So English speakers should feel right at home!

[@RedShocktrooperRST]

I'm sorry, I still can't get over "YOU ALREADY SENT US ANTHRAX"

[@lunalangton5776]

Smolensk implies the existence of Bigensk

[@ClaudiaNW]

Lorgensk

[@TemplarOnHigh]

0:00 - This joke again 7:57 - Jail, bailed out of jail 9:40 - Definitely do not also subscribe to Old Manderson Sr. 19:25 - Did the fastest hot lap around the Warsaw Circuit. 21:43 - Alice pronounces "miles" with her northern British accent. (Clarkson-esque) 24:35 - Sterile cockpit. 27:45 - Unexpected Top Gear 33:45 - This whole thing is starting to sound like an Air Safety Institute PSA. 46:28 - Negative altitude is bad altitude.

[@tomoziomo350]

hey, thanks for sharing those links. It means a lot.

[@pin0teres]

59:18 Regarding Russian foreign policy being basically a trolling. There is a little bit of trolling here as they still refuse to return wreckage of the plane to Poland for further investigation. I perfectly understand why. The moment it would reach Polish soil Macierewicz (Alex Jones of Polish parliament) would sprinkle TNT all over it. Also we have been bickering over it the last ten years so I bet it was fun to watch.

[@artinu]

Oh I would trade Macierewicz for Alex Jones any time. Alex is at least funny in his insanity, Macierewicz is just… well he is a psycho who should be in special care, in room without windows for a looooong time now.

[@cowbellemoo]

Best wishes to Liam's mom!

[@excitableboy7031]

Don't simp for Liam's mom, that's rude

[@cowbellemoo]

I will absolutely simp for the continued good health of Liam's loved ones. 🙄🙄🙄

[@schnoodle3]

Best thing Justin has even drawn and it's a cart return for a Kmart. Who would figure?

[@brightwizard12]

"You've got a hole in your left wing!"

[@grmpEqweer]

"It's just an aluminum wound!"

[@katie4408]

01:08:13 - Reminds me of one Saturday night, walking home from the bar .... there was a realllly strong smell of natural gas. I called Washington Gas's safety hotline, gave them the report and address. The operator was like, "Uh, what should I do about this? Can it wait?"

[@tompain9735]

I think most of us are aware that Oscar Meyer Weinermobile is the most popular of the “Haram Trucks” but oddly enough most don’t know that the Hebrew National delivery vans are not only halal, but so kashrut they can be easily converted to give Shomrim extra capacity during Purim.

[@doctorworm420]

Twenty shomrim packed into a clown car.

[@lorieslori8051]

Before I watch. My friend I got into the podcast sent me a mysterious link saying “I’ve never clicked into a notification faster” and I thought “WTYP does a Polish episode, right” I cannot believe this is happening

[@prjndigo]

About the 611; yes, there are rules of operation to not blast hard coal stack onto bridges in the NS. Verified by my brother just now. It makes you have to clean and occasionally pay to re-pave the bridge. _So_ still safety third but its likely the engineer mis-timed the transit.

[@woutertje62]

I wasn't watching when you started talking about flying on instruments but I exactly knew what the picture on screen would be. that movie is my absolute favorite.

[@alexponting3325]

i love the podcast with the ranting guy, the super distractible riff artist, and the knowledgeable one trying to hold it all together chapo's okay too i guess

[@MrJimheeren]

You are new here aren’t you? Welcome to WTYP buddy you are in for a fun ride

[@lorieslori8051]

Translating the newspaper page It’s from a far-right newspaper “W sieci” (In web) and it says “F is for freedom” “Italian laboratory also confirms TNT”

[@ThomasShatter]

Owned by PiS senator and funded with money they stole...

[@syl3924]

I wonder how Liam feels missing out on dinner, only to be accused of "doing nazi shit" for lightly criticizing the USSR after the new episode dropped

[@EmnelGaming]

Man lives for this shit!

[@lorieslori8051]

A Polish WTYP episode. I can now die in peace

[@zinn303]

@@Dantyx1 there was a lots of them, he doesn't have to do next one to make another episode

[@leaguesmanoframsgate]

Welcome to Well There's Your Poland

[@rytedas]

@@Dantyx1 There are quite a few Polish disasters that could easily make the cut here, such as: - LOT Polish Airlines Il-62 crashes (LOT 007/LOT 5055) - Otłoczyn Rail Disaster - Mirosławiec CASA C-295 crash - Szczekociny Rail Disaster - The collapse of the MTK Trade Hall - The collapse of the Land Improvement Faculty Building in Wrocław - The Warsaw Rotunda Gas Explosion - 1967 Szczecin Tram Disaster - Czechowice-Dziedzice Oil Refinery Fire - Polica Air Crash (LOT 165) - The sinking of the "Jan Heweliusz" car and rail ferry - The Flood of Iwiny in 1967

[@wojtektaracinski7977]

@@rytedas I want seem to do Szczekociny rail disaster. Just seeing them trying to pronounce it would be worth it

[@michigan2974]

Jesus Christ this episode feels just like my instrument flight class

[@dirtycommie2877]

There's something that makes me feel uneasy about ALL planes that have an engine attached to the tail. In my mind I just always assume that they're all meant to crash at some point.

[@ukaszgolon5617]

The good part is that if you lose a wing you still have all your engines.

[@antonisk8856]

Great episode, just wanted to clarify that the non directional beacon (NDB) actually only gives direction, no distance. I have no idea who named it like that

[@jg-7780]

26:50 Fun fact, while it is highly recommended, it is not actually required for general aviation flights in the US to have a flight plan. If you’re flying a small Cessna or something for fun, you actually can just take off with no flight plan, and land wherever you want, more or less.

[@MechanicWolf85]

Wow that sounds so safe, make me wonder why we don't have flying cars then (Huge sarcasm for the dummies)

[@mikeblatzheim2797]

Explains the amount of Cessnas doing emergency landings without any fuel on KZbin.

[@Materialist39]

@@mikeblatzheim2797 tbf it is great content

[@lucase.2546]

When Roz started to say Smolensk didn’t have ILS procedures my jaw hit the floor. Not all the way through yet, but please God don’t tell me they tried to VFR this shit. “They had lights” is not an adequate replacement...

[@lucase.2546]

update: NDBs?!?! REALLY?!?!

[@riinak7212]

Fog rolling off hills (or mountains) caused another notable air disaster (the worst air accident) in Tenerife, 1977, when two 747s collided on the runaway (one Dutch, one American), causing nearly 600 fatalities. The KLM took off without clearance but the fog was so thick, and several radio transmissions at the same time (which created heterodynes, lots of radio feedback without the transmission being heard), that the pilot failed to see the Pan-Am jet still on the runway. The Pan-Am crew saw the KLM jet at the last moment and tried desperately to get out of the way and was only very partially successfully, but the KLM plane had recently refueled and was too heavy, and they collided. WTYP did an episode on this, so watch that instead of taking my word for it.

[@furnish1696]

Ngl I read that 4 times as Frog

[@EyeMWing]

Nearest divert airport on Russian soil would have been Kubinka aerodrome (where their air demonstration teams live), which is a straight 320km shot down a freeway to Smolensk airport. About 4 hours. Of course, whether you can get transport for an airliner-sized presidential entourage from there is very much another question. Google doesn't think there's a train, but that might just be Google not knowing Russian trains. It's also worth noting that the Smolensk airfield... Isn't really an airfield anymore. It's essentially just some concrete from the soviet era with no like, facilities, or even rundown shitty collapsing fighter revetments. It's a pretty dumbassed place to be flying to anyway. Smolensk South airfield is actually a *BETTER* airport, but has a dirt runway so you ain't takin' your Tupelov there. The thing to do is to fly to the nearest *REAL* airport (another crappy run down ex-soviet base, but this one still has *FACILITIES* and is in active use) in Belarus, only two hours and 150km down the freeway. Of course, now you have a border crossing involved, but that's what the protocol guy's rolodex is for.

[@eurodara]

I think the two options in protocol were Moscow and Minsk? Minsk was closer but it would have to engage Belarussian officials and border control BUT there are procedures for such important people like a head of state.

[@armoras78]

I'm impressed. That was a very good one. If you ever plan on discussing any other polish disaster I'll gladly help with gathering and translating materials and stuff.

[@theonetruefishboy3239]

I fucking lost it at "anyway today we're talking about Polish 9/11"

[@TheRealE.B.]

That Safety Third is yet another example of how pathetic cars are as a mode of transportation without trillions of dollars of infrastructure to support them and absolutely perfect weather conditions.

[@dmrr7739]

I thought 41:45 was the podcast’s germane warning system. “NON SEQUITUR! NON SEQUITUR! EDIT OUT! EDIT OUT!”

[@tmarciniak]

Pole here. Right after disaster on forum for aviation enthusiasts, airliner pilots (some of them ex-military pilots) came to pretty much identical conclusions: politics aside, the pilot of that fatal flight was unqualified to perform landing in that weather and the crew ignored "terrain ahead/pull up", and that resulted in CFIT. Like that wasn't shameful enough, who packs that many VIPs into a single vehicle? There were couple of other state/military air accidents prior to Smolensk (eg. "CASA accident"), and still nothing seems to have been improved to this day.

[@ArcturusOTE]

What do you think of the bomb theories that was pushed by some Polish officials as well as British investigator Frank Taylor?

[@MrDerpdog]

I had a dream I was listening to your podcast and a coworker was too and I was like “oh that’s dope” but was too shy to say anything in the dream. Thanks.

[@RichardMaw]

Huh, I wondered why I got Radar Van in my KZbin recommendations. Alice must have been watching KZbin while it uploaded, just like when I started getting Forgotten Weapons recommendations.

[@benoitbvg2888]

all hail gun jesus.

[@seth5362]

OK so Japan does have a 99.3% conviction rate but this is only due to prosecutors being much more likely to drop a case, at about half, before they go to court. Combine this with their indictment ratio being at 37% due to permission of a judge being needed to make an arrest in most circumstances and this explains the very high conviction rate. So if you actually go to court in Japan for a crime you're very likely to be convicted... but it's not likely to go to court.

[@pin0teres]

56:20 Many people really call it "staircase to nowhere" because it resembles a "staircase to nowhere" from an old Polish comic book ocdn.eu/images/pulscms/MjI7MDA_/1b1e41eb5e7d34d1456ad020f4dbcdd1.jpeg The reason staircase memorial needs to be protected by Police is the fact Law and Justice (PiS) has been using this tragedy as a political tool to polarise public opinion.

[@robmoney]

How early is Liam eating dinner that Alice still has to fast?

[@WelshMullet]

I believe Alice is in a time zone a few hours behind the other two

[@WaterMan416]

@@WelshMullet she's 5 hours ahead. Sunset in Glasgow is ~2030 local time. But it could just be a bit for the show.

[@robmoney]

@@WaterMan416 Scotland has special Ramadan times, as do plenty of places that far north so around 19:30 is the official Ramadan sunset time.

[@davidwright7193]

Dinner is a meal at midday in Scotland the evening meal being high tea or supper. So 1pm has Alice at 6pm.

[@robmoney]

@@davidwright7193 wtf does that have to do with the American chauvinist that is Liam?

[@zackburke5459]

I'm starting to think we may not be getting a Tacoma Narrows episode next time.

[@m4kk393]

The safety third drop went so bad, it was almost art

[@ebnertra0004]

Liam: I just want a war somewhere we can point to! Some guy in Moscow: Your wish is my command

[@authoranonymous8892]

Hearing the safety third in 2023: "Yeah, that sounds like Norfolk Southern alright."

[@misterakachan]

If the Polish Air Force followed the lead of the Polish Navy and used screen doors on the plane it might have been easier to convince the big wigs that it was too foggy to attempt a landing

[@theNunnceler]

The song Liam was actually talking about with regards to the wake is Paddy Murphy, which can be found here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmS6k4abqJWKfLc There are other versions but Great Big Sea is kind of THE Nefoundland band.

[@tabula_rosa]

my wife answers phones for a rail safety administration and I can tell you, her job is to make sure that nobody gets thru or succeeds in filing a report UNLESS that report involves a car. Kids playing on the track? Let them get hit. An old person in a wheelchair has become trapped on the track? Let them get hit. A house has subsided onto the track? Let the train blow up. The only thing that they do, as an administration, is protect the life and safety of the only people who matter to our worthless, oil industry funded government; cars

[@robk7266]

Suggestions for future episodes: The Titanic The Sunset Limited wreck MH17 MH370 -Eschede derailment- Amagasaki derailment The Cajon Pass 2015 Philadelphia train derailment 2017 Amtrak Cascades derailment 2009 DC Metro wreck The Crazy 8s incident Metra Electric Light rail (the concept in general) BRT creeps St Francis Dam Mid-America Airport DART eBart Penn Station The Metroliner

[@Meatloaf_TV]

Where is the panjandrum

[@nicjobro_4653]

Me 163 rocket intercepor Hydrogen Peroxid power for subs Somthing with rockets

[@jamestang1227]

Sidoarjo mud flow (featuring old favourites hydrocarbon drilling into iffy ground, dirt and exploitative capitalism).

[@andrewberger1882]

what's wrong with ebart? bart in general is an engineering disaster worth covering (non-standard gauge, flat wheel profile). ebart is just a DMU

[@robk7266]

@@andrewberger1882 Why was that the way they chose to extend the line? It requires a transfer and uses different equipment

[@kensurrency2564]

Seamless segue to The God Damn News. Very satisfying, Alice!

[@global-sequence]

Liam if it's worth anything I've never heard anybody yelling in your house through your mic except you.

[@sparkpenguin]

"it was a controlled demolition--" "no, it was a controlled flight into terrain."

[@ladyduckworthduck8434]

The worst thing about this disaster is that only one of the Kaczynski brothers was on that flight....