Well There's Your Problem | Episode 82: The Pentagon

[@esteemedmortal5917]

Working for the government has permanently disabused me of the notion that it can pull off a highly complex false flag operation.

[@aramilalpha1]

No shit, lol. It can barely pull off an 'operation' without massive fuckups and, delays, and thousands of unnecessary workers, let alone anything 'highly complex' or even a 'false flag'. Any time they've tried, they got caught super fuckin fast.

[@coreygolpheneee]

Gladio? Maybe not today but 50 years ago, those Mormons at the CIA where on fire

[@John-qv5ux]

Fellow Public Servant here, the government couldn't run a piss up in a brewery, let alone 9/11.

[@ayyyyph2797]

When people said that libertarians kinda act like fascists, they weren't kidding "the government can't do a simple job right but they're also a super evil mega entity out to get you specifically"

[@rubblerage1101]

Not to mention the notion that Bush was the mastermind supervillain behind it all, which is also laughable

[@Space_Reptile]

Planes did 9/11, Trains could have never done this another win for Trains

[@SiliconSlick69]

well lets be real here, its an l for trains

[@deeznoots6241]

There is a subway line right under congress, you could definitely do train 9/11 with enough explosives

[@brotlowskyrgseg1018]

Train good, plane bad. If we don't do train, then the terrorists win.

[@falloutghoul1]

@@deeznoots6241 But a thing like that would most likely require an inside job.

[@AnnDVine]

they could if they built the tracks very fast like gromit

[@PimithyAnn]

about the safety third: I have a physics professor who, when he teaches about radiation, he has the students try to find the source of the radiation in the room, but he keeps the cesium tab in his pocket and moves around the whole time. Then after the students figure it out, they do the calculation to figure out how much radiation he actually received and if he needs to be treated for radiation poisoning. He's still allowed to teach here so I'm assuming the dose isn't that high. he also does research with the particle accelerator on campus and I'm sure that's much worse for him than the cesium tab. I also had a physics teacher in high school who was teaching us 9th graders about radiation by pulling a jar out of his back room and said "now i'm not sure how legal this thing is but.." and then he held a geiger counter up to it and it beeped like crazy. This man also told us that his plan for dealing with an intruder in the building was to go over to the acid cabinet and just start mixing stuff together, and if somebody barged into the room, he'd throw the mixture on them. This man is the sole reason I went into physics. I think about him every day.

[@bassgebrummel9048]

Oh I think every physics department in schools has those kinda rocks, at least we did lol

[@Max._Power]

I had a forestry professor who would drink a cup of 2,4-d every year to show his students that it's toxicity as it's used in forestry applications is low as it's mixed with very large amounts of water and has a high ld-50, he died of cancer a while back now though...

[@JammyD2579]

I used to work on particle accelerators. It depends on the design - the "target" is the hottest part because it takes the full power of the beam. But you need to be hand-loading it (which I know is done in research sometimes), to get a worrying dose.

[@DizzyEyes94]

That man is chaos and bravery embodied. Utmost respect

[@4BYSSALTEETH]

is he single

[@MarsCBG]

27:14 "that's actually a catering company" "is it actually?" "No!" real gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss moment from Liam there, keep it up! 💕

[@elijah6970]

x

[@arthropodqueen]

explanation: gaslight- obvious gatekeep- he gatekept it from being a catering company girlboss- Liam

[@cyberbrunk]

I knew exactly what was coming with "please rise for the national anthem" and it still killed me

[@HighPriestessofPie]

shit had me cackling

[@JovanDacic]

I had an inkling. My first guess was correct but my next guess would have been the absolute banger "Trust Me, I'm An Engineer".

[@cubedable]

The talk about suspicious coincidences simply happening by chance reminds me of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961. One of the pilots swam out of the wreck, noticed a passport floating in the water, opened it and found out is was his own passport.

[@SyntheticParanoia]

I can't believe it's been an year since Roz' insane maniacal jokere laughter incident. Never Forget.

[@aprilk141]

Which episode was that, I am feeling nostalgic?

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

@@aprilk141 Second half of the World Trade Center episode, where the gang learns that Ruth Bader-Ginsberg died while Roz is in the bathroom.

[@warmachine5835]

@@fuzzydunlop7928 I gotta rewatch that one.

[@youngdeathwagon6089]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who still thinks about that sometimes

[@aprilk141]

@@youngdeathwagon6089 there are dozens of us comrade.

[@BigBeakEntertainment]

I know a guy who was an architect on the pentagon renovations and was in a meeting just outside the wall where the plane hit. He was one of the guys on that firetruck who hung up the flag on the side of building. He also stayed on to work on the repairs after the attack. There was a big report ordered by the DoD on how the building held up architecturally. One of the biggest benefit the building had going for it that they didn't mention on the podcast was the plane impacted right between 4 big mechanical shafts which took a lot of the blast damage. You can see them in the NCC in the diagram at 1:37:00. Basically, the hijackers 360 no-scoped their plane into the most protected part of the building. If you were outside of this area, you had a pretty good chance of survival. But, while most of the people died from the direct impact, about 30 died from smoke inhalation and other causes. Apparently the building was classified under code as being fully sprinkled when it was, in fact, only partially sprinkled. Because of this, the offices were a lot denser and egress paths a lot longer than they should have been. The stairwell was also not pressurized, meaning that there was more smoke infiltration into the upper levels. There was also some confusion among the survivors trying to evacuate when the automatic fire shutters kicked in and blocked egress paths. There's no way of knowing how many people (if any) would have been saved if the building had been brought up to 2001 code before the attack, but the architect I know thinks about it quite a lot.

[@discoj7112]

I loved the story about the professor at the end. Reminds me of my grandpa, who was a chemist. My mom had a little rock collection she inherited from him, and one day I decided to get it out and look up the names of the rocks on the little sheet of paper. It turns out we had been storing a small collection of basically every type of radioactive ore in our garage for years. It was small enough to not actually be too dangerous, but it was a really big shock and a hilarious moment of panic as I was looking up each name on Wikipedia and gradually realizing they were all radioactive.

[@xmlthegreat]

That sounds hilarious in a deathly serious way

[@discoj7112]

@@xmlthegreat I did research and the main things are just: 1. Don't breathe the dust, clean it up, wash your hands and any surfaces they touch. 2. Keep them in a sealed container to avoid radon gas getting out. 3. Don't keep them right next to you for a very extended period of time. The only real risk is breathing the dust, unless you're making jewelry out of it or something like that.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

@@discoj7112 Could sure change some local policies with that many spicy rocks.

[@scarylion1roar]

You could use them to make a private nuclear power plant for your house

[@divecolosio4988]

Moneybro!

[@haphazardlark1502]

The beginning of Soviet national anthem is a punch to the face every time and it’s amazing

[@schnoodle3]

Очень хороший!

[@tompain9735]

UNITED FOREVER IN FRIENDSHIP AND LABOR

[@tabula_rosa]

the anthem hits like a platoon of tanks crossing into Hungary

[@xymaryai8283]

"All rise for the national anthem" *the meaty sound of thousands of faces being punched simultaneously as the Soviet Russian Anthem plays*

[@NUFIGHTER]

As for amazing, 20-27 million dead Russians would disagree.

[@theryanbard]

I would just like to wish everyone a very solemn "Yay Liam" on this somber day.

[@scarylion1roar]

Press F to "Yay Liam!"

[@MatthewCobalt]

Yay Liam!

[@maglorian]

Yay Liam! (Solemn)

[@AttacksOnYaks]

Yay Liam

[@kazmark_gl8652]

Yay Liam. no exclamation point since it's solemn

[@lukewest7216]

Quick anecdote about the 'intelligence agency catering bit'- supposedly one of the ways you could find out if shit was going down for a while was calling around to some of the delivery places near the various US 3 letter agencies at night. On days when something interesting was happening they'd all be tied up with takeout orders to the pentagon or Cia headquarters or wherever. Now I believe they have their own internal food services stuff which leads to things like a barista job at a Starbucks that requires you to get top secret security clearances

[@spyone4828]

Years ago the Domino's franchisee in Arlington said they had known about the invasion of Panama before it hit the news. I believe the way he put it was when there's lots of orders going to the Pentagon and the State Department "somebody's getting invaded".

[@JamesPhipps]

The CIA has a very large commissary on premises but for some of the office buildings in Reston this might track.

[@jkholtgreve]

I’m part of a federal vending program that services some of these places. You’re correct- our guys in high security buildings require full FBI background checks (interviewing neighbors, ex-lovers, the whole bit) to fill vending machines. It’s…it’s something.

[@sisyphusinboots]

@AmusementParkFan95 imagine the news stories when a full bird colonel from jsoc gets their coffee with "PIG ACAB" written on the cup

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

Many years ago the Soviets concluded something was afoot because the lights at the MoD in London were on late into the evening. It was the cleaners.

[@icedragon769]

OMG that NSA exit. I accidentally took it once because Google Maps told me to take the next exit a little early, and I couldn't get left again, but once you're past the very short exit lane on that thing, there's nowhere to turn around until you get to the guard house, where they flipped the fuck out at me for having a dashcam, threatened me with felony charges until I was sufficiently supplicative that they let me go (helped by my out-of-state plates). It was a fucking nightmare, I have not been to Maryland since.

[@esteemedmortal5917]

Similar thing happened when a friend was visiting my place for the first time and accidentally took the CIA exit. Face full of guns.

[@gonzoengineering4894]

"Resurrect Huey Long and give him a Gundam" Thank you Roz, I'm upping my Patreon pledge for that one.

[@russetwolf13]

I'd watch that Anime.

[@trashrabbit69]

I would think Huey would have a better time in Gurren Lagann if anything else. RO RO SHARE OUR WEALTH

[@russetwolf13]

@@trashrabbit69 Gurren is a story about capitalist consumption destroying the universe and the efforts of a rag tag bunch of kids saying, "but I don't caaaare if it destroys everything! I want treats!"

[@shadoeboi212]

@@russetwolf13 its willpower and hope beating conservatism over the head with a drill then killing literal god

[@russetwolf13]

@@shadoeboi212 The Anti-Spirals are literally the last survivors of a hyper expansionist society that is functionally dead trying to prevent us from expanding to consume our entire solar system. Fun fact about Conservatism: It's only socially conservative, physically it is all about unlimited expansion and consumption. The show ends with them traveling into space to do that exact thing.

[@radideaman1078]

Stop giving my grandpa Caesium, he has become too powerful and has broken out of the hospital after blinding their X-Ray machines

[@blackman7437]

50:23 "Hey this is George W. Bush in post-production. I just want to let you know that I met Bin Laden here, not Saddam. Back to the imperialism."

[@scarlett453]

Excellent comment that remains criminally underrated

[@RooneyMac]

Perhaps not so underrated a comment just got the 69th 👍🏽

[@SImrobert2001]

The pentagon wasn't a skyskraper because it was decided that any office needed to be within 15 minutes of each other in any condition, Having a skyscraper would make it vulnerable to blackouts.

[@SadisticSenpai61]

And fire - see the episode on fighting fires in skyscrapers.

[@SImrobert2001]

@@SadisticSenpai61 That is fair, I didn't think of that .

[@tardvandecluntproductions1278]

7 floors of stairs is something a normal healthy person could do on foot when in a hurry. So sounds reasonable. Wonder if 15 minutes is still possible with today's US body health standards. (Did they added electric scooters in the hallways?)

[@matthewegan5281]

@@tardvandecluntproductions1278 the majority of people in there are the US military. I think they're above average enough that they're mostly ok.

[@numnut1516]

Matthew Egan haha nice one

[@BineySaurus]

I worked at a military base, and pretty much any outdoor eating/recreation area is designated "No hat, no salute". So the courtyard isn't especially notable.

[@jasonberger9]

lines like "a guy with a backhoe just digging the big pipe that imperialism runs through" are the reason this is the best podcast

[@platedlizard]

"oh, i work at the Pentagon." "Really? What do you do?" "...I'm a fry cook at the Burgerking."

[@michlo3393]

"Now hiring Fry Cook. Security clearance needed."

[@fernandomarques5166]

God bless the bois at "naffy"

[@dawica]

"Nutrional logistics for military officers"

[@Phil3.0]

You*re Handling Transactions for a Multibillion-Dollar Company in close cooperation with Pentagon Officials. Sounds better

[@goopah]

I'd replace that third line with, "I'm sorry. You need clearance for that."

[@JonKimbel]

1:31:03 "it hit a library and took out some art and books... It destroyed a couple of Big Oil paintings" Not sure it was intentional but that's a hell of a pun

[@MrMrUSMC]

As infuriating as the Texas situation is, hearing some good old actionable threats made against the ghouls in the legislature is pretty cathartic. Ditches indeed.

[@kennethlauer4735]

Definitely life changing decisions when you kill babies. Nice straw man you set up there

[@philiproszak1678]

three cheers for ditches I've been watching some heavy equipment operators videos and think I've got a good grasp on trenching techniques.

[@allisonstilley9536]

They'll have a nice time for sure.

[@JamesPhipps]

Gundam Style.

[@kwarra-an]

@@kennethlauer4735 lol all your comments are about "killing babies". Get over yourself, you can't impose your religion on everyone

[@iamjustkiwi]

This world has been nothing but a somber occasion for years at this point. If we can't laugh about it than what do we have left? Love you guys and everyone here.

[@teslashark]

A somber occasion? A series of unexpected difficulties and hindrances!

[@Holden.Tudiks]

So many somber and *completely unpredictable* events

[@benoitbvg2888]

No tragedies, just happy little accidents. *continues to paint*

[@JCResDoc94]

me? you love me?! thats WILD. - JC

[@soniab78]

@@benoitbvg2888 hey Bob!

[@n.l.g.6401]

Sometimes my schizotypal disorder makes me feel like I have no future, so I'm glad someone with the same diagnosis is making a living screaming at conservatives to [HAVE A NICE TIME]. Yay Liam!

[@katiepatrick425]

Hi it's me, the girl recovering from a TBI. I don't remember listening to this one so it's new to me even if it's 13 months olde. Anyway, I applied for a job yesterday and drove a car today. I'm recovering well at 7.5 since the accident. I hope this episode doesn't suck and I hope it helps me fall asleep. thank you uwu Katie~ she/her

[@ThomCote88]

"It looks like the Lego sets of towns that you could never quite afford when you were a kid" I hate that I know exactly what line of sets this refers to

[@carlost856]

Yep, because I got a bunch of them now as an adult that can afford them.

[@lordeisschrank]

"why are we talking about the pentagon?" "because we did 9/11" is an exchange I dearly missed in this video

[@viliamklein]

Regarding the debris (license, passports, etc): NASA recovered paper manuals, pillows and petri dishes from the Columbia Shuttle breakup. That shit literally fell from space. Human intuition is not sufficient to understand these kinds of highly energetic events.

[@TuckerWhite94]

Hell, an entire fucking human heart was found, too!

[@kiandocherty3589]

We mourn today by being put on a CIA hitlist and an FBI watch list.

[@RhizometricReality]

remember kids, don't announce you are murdering fascists, just get it done

[@AllenSJ5]

Also re: Hani Hanjour doing the very impressive turn yet being a shitty pilot, there’s a lot more to being a pilot than just steering it. For example, listening to your instructors and air traffic control, the latter of which is not something that Hanjour was interested in doing, or taking off and landing, the former of which had been done by the American Airlines pilots before the hijacking and the latter of which he obviously was not interested in doing either. It’s not like the 9/11 hijackers (aside from Hanjour earlier in his life) were interested in making careers out of their pilot training.

[@thedisasterinquiry9662]

I think "this is my emotional support cesium" is possibly the funniest thing I've ever heard.

[@jclementine3371]

I must say additionally regarding "the turn" and other conspiracies regarding the pilot's skill level - a lot of those conspiracy theories in that area rely on simulator demos that "conclusively" demonstrate that an unskilled hijacker would not have been able to make the turn at all. This, of course, ignores the fact that pilots determined to survive have performed incredible feats of flying that have been impossible, or exceedingly difficult to replicate in a simulator, even by skilled pilots after the fact (see Miracle On The Hudson, United 232 or the fact that JAL Flight 123 stayed up in the air for way longer than anyone has been able to recreate since). I'd imagine a "not good, but good enough" psycho with a single-minded focus on death would be similar. Also, imagining a Eurotrip style movie with the hijackers, copious amounts of alcohol and weed, a run-in with a Madame Vandersexxx type character, and the letter agencies in hot pursuit is an incredibly powerful bit. "9/11Trip, The Real Plot Was The Adventure We Had Along The Way. Coming Fall 2001"

[@photonman63]

I'd see that in theatres

[@PejmanMan]

Survival bias. All the sick maneuvers that almost succeeded weren't documented

[@saab9251]

Sky king wasn’t even “determined to survive” he was literally just fucking around while high from lack of oxygen. Guy was asking ATC to “whisper sweet nothings in his ear”. He was trolling while stunt flying a jet.

[@thomasgiles2876]

The Podcast whose pronouns are [horn blast] Soyuz nerushimyy respublik svobodnykh Splotila naveki velikaya Rus'. Da zdravstvuyet sozdannyy voley narodov Yedinyy, moguchiy Sovetskiy Soyuz

[@bermuda333]

soviet spacecraft

[@spamviking]

Pronouns are [Soviet Anthem opening fanfare] and [Shake Hands With Danger guitar riff]

[@ClaudiaNW]

United forever in friendship and labour, Our mighty republics will ever endure, Our great Soviet Union will live through the ages The dream of a people, our fortress secure

[@edimccredie]

Was legit worried for about 5 seconds that you were about to be respectful and sombre, thanks for jolting me back to reality with the communism drop

[@nothanksguy]

Can we get a "we're all gods children at the hotdog stand" t-shirt?

[@runsinbackground]

The buddy comedy about the 9/11 hijackers is called "Four Lions" and it's British.

[@Firefox_42]

New Patreon bonus idea: access to the uncensored Liam rants

[@AlRoderick]

That's one way to get the FBI to give to the Patreon

[@JamesPhipps]

I would pay $10 a month for this.

[@SportyMabamba]

Make it a compilation video and I’m there

[@allisonstilley9536]

Group Therapy with Liam should be it's own podcast.

[@katiwithoutthee]

so glad now I’ve completed my yearly ritual of “getting mad Richard Drew didn’t get a Pulitzer for the Falling Man bc this is a garbage country w/ unhealthy, disparate coping mechanisms in the face of unimaginable death”, I can wrap myself in the warm blanket of “getting mad at everyone in general thru the proxy of yay Liam”

[@katiwithoutthee]

(also big thanks from my non-binary uterus 2 Alice for using gender neutral language when referring to pregnant people)

[@robjewell1223]

This white boy summer is dedicated to the brave mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan.

[@AllenSJ5]

The thing about Flight 93 is that it was scheduled to take off around the same as the other four flights (8am EST) but it got delayed on the tarmac in Newark for more than half an hour. So by the time it was at cruising altitude and it was then hijacked, it had been more than 20 minutes since both of the Twin Towers had been hit and that’s how the passengers on United 93 learned via phone calls to loved ones that their plane would be crashed into a building.

[@matt39581]

I like to imagine that in all these conspiracy theories, the conspirators are referring to their future actions as "doing 9/11" and they all understand what that means

[@ctoleson]

"Resurrect Huey Long and give him a Gundam." Best sentence ever spoken ever.

[@pax6833]

I stan this energy

[@willpenington]

Does Apple's circular HQ make them the ultimate Military junta?

[@frankmeyer1473]

It makes them the ultimate junta, eventually. All hail our benevolent generalissimo Tim!

[@andrewcassidy1790]

Nah GCHQ beat them to it

[@dorianhinkle5595]

"Al Qaeda means the Base and Daesh translates to The Cringe" Weapons grade jokes there, Alice

[@AllenSJ5]

Re: Al-Qaeda finances: An Al-Qaeda operative based in Sudan defected to the US in the 90s. Apparently he had stolen a lot of money from al-Qaeda because he deeply resented that the Egyptian members of the organization were being paid far more than non-Egyptians like himself. He gave the FBI a ton of information on the organization.

[@VinceWhitacre]

Finally getting around to watching/listening, and... WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME FLOWER-IN-RIFLE GUY STARTED THE COCKETTES???

[@Soken50]

The 128 faced regular polygon would be a hectoduodecaoctagon, you're welcome :)

[@taylorleibel4327]

I can't be the only one to see the perverse humor in continuing to commemorate this date while currently there are more people dying than in 9/11 every single day and nobody bats an eye, right?

[@jonny5alive123]

You’re talking about covid? People have been focused on nothing but that for the last 18 months…

[@taylorleibel4327]

@@jonny5alive123 People have been talking about the disease, nobody wants to talk or actually think about the catastrophic amount of death that has been countenanced in this country over the past year and a half. The NYT had the list of names once it hit 100,000 and then everybody decided they didn't want to acknowledge it anymore.

[@ViolentOrchid]

I was working making a site that chose a random event people died in larges numbers that people care about and then divide the current covid deaths into that many x's. If you're curious, we've had about 218 September 11ths of Covid-19 deaths.

[@taylorleibel4327]

@@ViolentOrchid great idea yo, thank you for the info 👍

[@michaelslowmin]

Reverend Wright was talking about this years ago. We only give a fuck about the 3000 killed on 911 but will never extend that outrage to the millions we've murdered in its wake. God damn America. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKKzhouge76baZo

[@rabohh-3714]

I think my favorite contraceptive fact is that, we once ate a plant that caused miscarriages into extinction.

[@synthmage00]

I choose to believe that Ft. Bragg is actually named after Billy Bragg.

[@deeznoots6241]

2 hours episode 2 and a half hours before the F1 Sprint race, Very nice

[@penta5698]

ayyy same plan for me.

[@AnnDVine]

i know nothing about f1 but i hope you have a great time

[@defeatstatistics7413]

This was released during Crystal Palace's 3-0 demolition of Spurs, what a day

[@mathhomework4209]

not a bad lil sprint overall. still not sure how i feel about drs..

[@gollygeep]

I went on a Pentagon tour back in 2004, and they talked about the owl. Apparently it was placed to ward off birds. They had problems with birds crapping on officers, so they tried a few different things. For some reason, the idea of placing sharpshooters in the courtyard wasn't deployed...

[@handle535]

Stephen King actually beat Tom Clancy with the airliner idea. The book 'The Running Man' (written as Richard Bachman in 1982) ends with the protagonist flying an airliner into a skyscraper.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

Tom Clancy hasn't had an original idea in his life - he just digs up obscure articles from obscure magazines/sites/blogs then smashes them into a blob of text wrapped around a 60s pulp spy novel theme

[@emarci6009]

The words "basement" and "apartment" should never be a combined.

[@Skyhawk1998]

One small step away from living in a hole in the ground.

[@grmpEqweer]

Hmm. As a kid I remember us living in a basement apartment.🤷

[@MrJimheeren]

A friend of mine lives in a great apartment which used to be a basement. Then again I live in Amsterdam and we don’t do flooding

[@grmpEqweer]

@@MrJimheeren The Netherlands people take flooding seriously.👍👍👍

[@murciadoxial8056]

That safety third is too strong, 'I forgot the cesium!' absolute chad.

[@robertyoung4275]

Assistant Secretary of the Navy was a hereditary position for the Roosevelt family. It was held variously by Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Theodore Roosevelt, Jr., and Henry Roosevelt.

[@cocharles563]

Ironic that then he has worst naval disaster in history. But then also all those new ships that had to be built. Navy war industry must have liked that part?

[@zeitgeistx5239]

@@cocharles563 FDR helped put some WW2 war planning into action for the navy before the war due to his navy connection. Also the same reason why the US Navy lost sailors to uboats 6 months before Pearl Harbor. He got the Navy to secretly attack uboats while escorting British conveys.

[@DeadWhiteButterflies]

"Dropping acid and singing showtunes", would be a hell of way to describe yourself to a new acquaintance at a party.

[@CatFish107]

let's not force a good time on the entirety of texas. There are (some) good people trapped there amongst the ghouls, unable to flee due to conditions outside their control. (Although I feel where Liam's coming from here)

[@grmpEqweer]

Yes, although I understand Liam's anger.

[@izzystar5904]

I live in Texas and I would like for all of my republican lawmakers to have a sans undertale time

[@johncenaversusthings8452]

alice did a great job at entertaining us while waiting on roz and liam to come back from the bathroom

[@ClaudiaNW]

Ensign Caldwell-Kelly has the bridge of the USS Problem while the captain and first officer are in the head

[@jcameronferguson]

I was in DC in 2003 and actually saw the hole in the Pentagon. My ex got conspiracy brain during the pandemic and tried to tell me that no plane ever hit the Pentagon. Quite a case of cognitive dissonance!

[@Solinaru]

damn, happy birthday to everyone suddenly learning the melting point of steel beams

[@davidwright7193]

The climbing club I belonged to used to call looking to windward to see what the weather would be metro Bob Dylan because you don’t need a weather man to tell which way the wind blows. We also referred to a toilet stop as “paying my respects to the President” because you were pissing on a Bush.

[@grumppup2477]

I can just imagine Justin patting the Pentagon and saying "this baby can hold so much asbestos"

[@EmissaryofWind]

I think every single person involved in the Texas abortion ban should be made to donate a kidney, part of their liver, bone marrow, blood, serum and platelets, effective immediately and then again as soon as physically possible. Maybe that would give them some thoughts on bodily autonomy.

[@EmissaryofWind]

Just donated to the Lilith Fund and sent you guys proof, keep doing good ✌️

[@YourLastSavior]

Apeirogon - a generalized polygon with a countably infinite number of sides.

[@blackvulture6818]

That is why it is the best shape for an administrative building since it has infinite outer walls, and thus infinite offices with windows facing outside

[@heartache5742]

@@blackvulture6818 infinitely tiny ones though

[@computerentity]

don't blame on conspiracy what can easily be blamed on incompetence.

[@carlost856]

Both can easily happen at the same time.

[@computerentity]

@@carlost856 yeah, probably, it's just a quote from last year's 9-11 video

[@tinycrimester]

roz: please all rise for the national anthem me: oh no- Ussr anthem: BWOOOOOOMMMM EDIT: fine i forgot whether it's russia or soviet anthem stop actuallying me nerds

[@alfalafelstine1536]

*Soviet

[@jonny5alive123]

Anytime someone asks me what this podcast is about I’ll link them to that perfect moment.

[@md0717]

I have memorized the time stamp of the Trillbillies crossover when Alice debuted that drop. The small bridge in WV. The timing was gold and I still die laughing every time

[@Illok]

@@md0717 plz, share comrade!

[@johannageisel5390]

@@md0717 That was a hilarious episode. Vulcan Bridge.

[@skorpijon3110]

My computer crashed and restarted while watching fullscreen just after 26:30 JUST as Liam said the words "secret government shenanigans" It took me a second to realize it wasn't part of the video.

[@notanniex565]

Climate change is such a depressing factor of present day life. I genuinely avoid anything to do with it in my spare time cause it's inescapable in my study and future job and it's difficult enough to deal with the dread and anxiety while doing that, if I also fill my freetime with it I'll lose my will to live

[@iciajay6891]

I cope by having a degree in anthropology. Changing of climate due to society is nothing new. And knowing what humans did in the past helps. And I'm not having kids. That really helps a lot. As I can focus on mutual aid and not stress because of kids. If anyone thinks I'm selfish, I'm a signal 37 year old disabled woman. Kids are a fucking ridiculous thing for me to even think of having. I grown veg for my local soup kitchen in my back yard and do the best I can. I made the right choice for the environment. Note: it also helps that I live in a country with legal weed. That helps a lot.

[@HolliGenett]

Well I commend you in your future work on these problems. You will none needed and appreciate your efforts!

[@ashleyhamman]

I generally avoid it as well, but as someone trying to get into a career in urban planning, it is my last line of defense for "train good car bad" when I talk to the average joes about how car-centric urbanism sucks. My coping mechanism with it all is "Well, I'll do what I can to combat what I see as issues."

[@kennethlauer4735]

@@iciajay6891 I bet you like talking about how virtuous you are ALL the time

[@bigmouthprick5852]

@@kennethlauer4735 mad because her kids won't pay for your social security?

[@-voiceoftheturtle]

This had literally 911 views when I just clicked on it.

[@jaysea5939]

"What's good, cheap shielding?" "Teaching assistants." 1:53:29 safety third starts, future me

[@richardscathouse]

Sounds like the army

[@JaidenJimenez86]

Finally worked out who Roz reminds me of - the vacuum cleaner from The Brave Little Toaster.

[@talicowart9577]

The Professor at the end reminds me of a story from a family friend. His dad was in the military during WW2 and was driving some Officers to survey the damage after we nuked Japan. When they stopped, the Dad reached down and picked up a rock that he liked and put it in his pocket. The radiation that was still on that rock was enough to fry his balls and he couldn't have any kids. And that's how our family friend found out he was adopted. Also his dad still has that rock in his room and is the most active motherfucker at the retirement community and plays multiple rounds of golf a week. So maybe hormesis works for some people?

[@harkonen1000000]

I kind of doubt being sterilized counts.

[@disjustice]

No hat/no salute areas are pretty common on base. In my experience mostly in classroom and training areas. Don't know the reasoning for sure as I was just a civie contractor, but I assume because it is a hassle to interrupt what you are doing and snap to attention every time some brass rolled by.

[@LifesNeverHumDrum]

My understanding was that it was a safety precaution, at least outside - that saluting a superior officer in potential view of rifles/tanks/bombs/etc was a great way to tell the enemy to "shoot this guy, he's important!" And really fuck up your chain of command.

[@Some_Average_Joe]

​@LifesNeverHumDrum That's part of it, but the real reason is hilarious. Basically there are some circumstances where personnel aren't required to salute superiors, but if they do their superiors are required to salute back. But newer recruits who didn't understand the rules would just always salute, and annoy the hell out of their superiors who hated saluting back while they were in the middle of something. So they instituted no saluting zones so that recruits would stop bothering the officers.

[@marxmeesterlijk]

The martial arts trainer that trained the 9-11 terrorists who published a book with the twin towers on it about courage is the most american thing i've ever heard.

[@RaccKing21]

I'm a radiology technician, and that physics professor is my spirit animal. We also had a fun one in 1st year of college. We had pur physics class in the radiology clinic, inside a large meeting room. We arranged ourselves around a large table, and the professor pointed at a bunch of lads sitting at the back end of the room. "Boys, you shouldn't sit there." We exchanged confused looks and laughs. "Under you is a CT scanner, the shielding on the roof is lacking so anytime we do a scan it irradiates that part of the room." Those dudes were unknowingly sitting in the testicle microwave section of the meeting room. Later, the professor passed a Geiger counter around, and tge radiation truly was much higher in that part. As far as I know, they never fixed that shielding, meaning people still get some extra milisieverts when they sit there.

[@JamesPhipps]

My mother was at the Pentagon that day. I spent 10 hours wondering if she was alive or dead. She still works in National Security and has been involved in the “GWoT” since that day. I love my mom and I loved this episode.

[@ericmudgett9811]

If the Pentagon was simply more rigid it would have survived the plane. And a special somber yay Alice and yay Liam on this day of plane infamy that took the life of one subway station

[@danielkorladis7869]

I feel like the Pentagon suffered relatively little damage *because* it's built so rigid.

[@1prozzak6616]

and with gaps inbetween to allow debris & shit to spread out on the outside rather than continue through the structure of the inside, like in the WTC buildings for example.

[@funkbungus137]

It's with much humbilosity and humiliatoriation that I can now admit that Bush beans did Black Sabbath.

[@onslaught7146]

I am both appreciative and concerned for Liam's ability to stay angry and not get burnt out

[@Bisquick]

Never forget that first 9/11 terrorist attack against freedom/basic sovereignty we did actually do in Chile 1973. ¡Vivan los trabajadores!

[@michaelslowmin]

Truuuu!

[@ExperimentIV]

this might be the last september 11th where chileans are living under pinochet’s neoliberal constitution after the plebescite in may, too! chile, la alegria ya viene 💖

[@EllieODaire]

Cutting out "it was, in fact, Hosni Mubarak, now back to the show" to insert it in random other things

[@princeoftonga]

I’ve gotta say thank you WTYP. I’ve been going through some stuff recently but listening to you somehow helps me out. Again Liams rants are basically what my brain is screaming!

[@GaldirEonai]

The thing about FDR possibly knowing about Pearl Harbor is that it was pretty damn obvious to anybody keeping tabs on the situation that some kind of attack would be coming and he took steps to prepare against it, including setting a trap (with a sailing ship!) for the japanese that'd result in them firing the first shots where the US wanted it so they could immediately launch their counterattack before the japanese even knew that their war had started early. Except like pretty much everybody else in a position of authority at the time he believed the attack would be in the Philippines. Hawaii as a target was so outlandish only somebody like Yamamoto who'd been handed an utterly impossible task would ever even consider it. He very much didn't like it when the attack landed on Pearl Harbor because that's where the forces that were supposed to lead the preemptive counterattack he'd been planning were anchored.

[@alaeriia01]

I still want that "I Don't Respect Fish" shirt.

[@juanjuri6127]

I Fear The Fish That Women Want, Fish Respect The Women I Want To Be

[@fernandomarques5166]

Same vibes as "I depth charge sardines"

[@lasschesteven]

I would like to extend my best wishes to all, podcasters and hogs, on this special date, September 11th

[@peterpanda5069]

Oh look! Someone send those folks a present so they can have a nice time.

[@kestrel4521]

One day when I'm not drowning in debt from nursing school and medical transition I'll throw money at the bonus episodes in thanks. The podcast is flawless...never change it. The chaos is perfectly confined like damage to the pentagon, & it's all that keeps me going rly.

[@dejjal8683]

A bit of trivia for Alice, the planes hitting a building bit was also used as a climax for The Running Man written by Stephen King.

[@Yfr28]

Remember to leave out the milk, cookies and art supplies for George Bush tonight!

[@barelyliteratebooks3899]

no hat/no salute areas are common, but I'm going to remember "we're all god's children at the hot dog stand" for a long time

[@McCbobbish]

I got the opportunity to go on a tour of the pentagon once (my mother's cousin is an air force colonel or some such shit). We had watched hunt for the red October the night before and I had the national anthem of the USSR stuck in my head the whole damn time, desperately reminding myself to not start whistling it

[@Maj_Kasul]

Impeccable timing comrades

[@johannageisel5390]

I would like to suggest the topics "Collapse of the Cologne City Archive" and "Loveparade mass crush event" for future episodes. Thank you for reading this comment.

[@DrKlausTrophobie]

Yes, please. Do we have a guest to recommend?

[@johannageisel5390]

@@DrKlausTrophobie I have none. I know no people.

[@DrKlausTrophobie]

@@johannageisel5390 You know, English isn't my first language either. "I know no people." is unintentionally funny. 😁 Henning Ernst Müller was deeply involved in the aftermath of the LoveParade tragedy.

[@johannageisel5390]

@@DrKlausTrophobie Yeah, I didn't put much effort into the sentence. ^ ^ Not sure whether H.E.M. would be willing to appear on this podcast, though. And whether he would fit in.

[@edstercw]

About the Safety 3rd story, I heard Pierre Curie was so proud of discovering Radium he carried a sample around in a test tube in his shirt pocket to show people

[@isaactrockman4417]

Oops

[@bcarroll03]

Listening to this on 7/17/2022. Liam, you were 1000% right about all of it.

[@samarchist74]

Each military regime adds more sides to its concentric headquarters until finally one just achieves a perfect target.

[@felixecho]

If you can sue a Uber driver for driving a fare to a doctor's appt. you surely can sue the politicians that voted for the road bill giving a path for the driver to more easily get there.

[@philb2972]

"The US military lost a bunch of oil paintings" What a shame that nobody on the podcast appreciated that joke, because I certainly did.

[@Holden.Tudiks]

I agree all Texas officials need to *HAVE A GOOD TIME*

[@DrKlausTrophobie]

Yes, and *bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep*

[@michaelslowmin]

Just let Texas secede at this point and evac everyone who wants to leave at no cost. They'll destroy themselves.

[@KD_cycling]

@@michaelslowmin If we've learnt anything over the last month, it's that the US isn't exactly proficient at evacuating vulnerable people from the clutches of religious fundamentalists

[@michaelslowmin]

@@KD_cycling Too true, but we can dream...