Well This Will Be Popular | King of the Oathbreakers | Lord of the Rings Middle-Earth Spoilers | MTG

[@robertmoore9479]

The single target cantrips won’t resolve if you phase out their targets. You won’t draw a card.

[@DieFrauAmHerd]

Wouldnt they work if the first line is Draw a card. And then the target effect? Cause the Spell fullfills as much as possible.

[@jakebennett9130]

@@DieFrauAmHerd wouldn't it work anyway with the lines that say "draw a card" cause they aren't a part of the same effect right?

[@alicetheaxolotl]

​@@DieFrauAmHerd no it wouldn't. You target as part of casting, then the ability triggers before that spell resolves, phasing out your Spirit. Even if there were cantrips that didn't have the "draw a card" at the end.

[@alicetheaxolotl]

​​@@jakebennett9130 a spell fizzles if all its targets become illegal targets. If you cast Repel the Darkness (Which says "Tap up to two target creatures. Draw a card.") with 2 targets, and 1 of them phases out, it still taps the other target and you draw a card. If you cast it with only 1 target and that target phases out, then all targets became illegal and the spell fizzles, meaning you also don't get the card draw. If you choose 0 targets for it, since it has no targets to become illegal, you will draw a card.

[@Tonydude182]

@@alicetheaxolotlso in the original example can we just declare 0 targets to get the card draw?

[@fearghaill9738]

I honestly think the "create a spirit when a spirit phases in" part is a distraction from the real strength of this commander. A flying creature that is virtually immune from targeted removal? That's a Voltron. You can't use Auras of course as it will phase when you try to target it, but you can equip all the swords you want and they'll stay attached whenever King of the Oathbreakers phases out. At this point the only thing opponents can do is wrath or try to use abilities like O-Rings or similar, but that's where you can get really tricksy... because King of the Oathbreakers makes every targeted removal spell you run double as a protection spell. Load your deck with more single-target kill/exile instants then you'd normally ever want in Commander, and any time an opponent tries to wrath, point a Swords to Plowshares at your own commander and he dips out until next turn. (or cast your own wrath and then phase your commander before it resolves) King of the Oathbreakers + Equipment + Kill Spells, toss in any other good/utility Spirits you want because the opponent can't kill them either, and you've got yourself a deck

[@ColorfulHelices]

I feel like the opposite holds a lot of weight too They cant target it to kill But they can target it to not die The mandatory phase hurts, i think

[@DieFrauAmHerd]

@@ColorfulHelices Although this also means that every turn they need to cast something which can target your commander. Sure everyone in white got that PoE and StP but at some point, if you are not by chance the feather player, you will eventually run out. And keep in mind that the problem is only temporary solved, its not real removal, its more like tapping down a creature.

[@MrDeeluv1996]

@@DieFrauAmHerd exactly plus you’re giving them a 1/1 on their turn

[@fearghaill9738]

and they just spoiled Anduril, and it's a sword (3 mana, equip for 2) that gives +3/+1, and creates 2 1/1 flying spirit tokens when the equipped creature attacks (and they're tapped and attacking if the equipped creature is legendary). I know Anduril is supposed to be Aragorn's sword but it seems designed for King of the Oathbreakers :D

[@Oz__MTG]

I built this deck, but crazier. It’s a massively slept on deck if not stopped in it’s track.

[@catz_ee]

Very strange that they made a card focused on both phasing and spirit tribal, but it doesn't have blue which is where all the phasing support/spirit lords are.

[@leelovitt1828]

Idk if you have noticed but they do that alot with commander cards

[@Kararch]

Makes you wanna wait for future sets 😅

[@ryanhenderson225]

What is crazy about this deck is that you can load it up with single target removal and it all also works as protection and token generation.

[@Oz__MTG]

Multiply that and add board wipes, make opponents pay more mana to cast anything and you’ll draw hate pretty damn fast. 😂

[@kaptinkitten4911]

the phase in sequence is during the untap phase, all the X amount of spirits phase in, King's ability then goes on the stack during the upkeep, you'll make X amount of tapped spirit tokens with summoning sickness.

[@Randoman590]

* Isochron Scepter, exile a Reprieve under it. * Eerie Interlude, Semester's End, Scapegoat, whatever you got - target all your stuff. * In response, tap the Scepter and bounce that spell back to hand. * Triggers that fire when things "become the target of a spell" don't require that spell to resolve to carry out their effect. This way, you get your triggers to make your tokens and you didn't even have to spend a card for it. Plus, if you have something like a Voltaic Key, you can untap the Scepter and keep up Reprieve in a more defensive fashion to protect your board. Also consider Mavinda, Students' Advocate as a way to reliably recur your targeting spells to get more token generation value out of them.

[@Cwronaga216]

The one major weakness of this card is that if they target him and he phases out then they are free to Target the rest of your cards with no consequence since they will only phase out if he is on the field

[@AnekdotenAusDerGeschichte]

I mean, if they spend that ammount of ressources & toss one aside basicaly for free, only for me to keep my commander & get a spirit as a cherry on top: Sure, I'm down with that. Well worth it

[@insanemang9983]

​@AnekdotenAusDerGeschichte and it's got black so you can get those spirits back afterwards anyways.

[@MrMeeseeksthe1st]

Honestly I'm just thinking on how many spells I can use to make their board phase out and swing for lethal on them😂

[@finnmchugh99]

Your biggest mistake is a boardwipe

[@alicetheaxolotl]

You won't draw off your cantrips. They can still be used as cheap protection, but a spell fizzles if all targets phase out. Even though the draw isn't part of the targeting effect, that half of the effect still fizzles.

[@demitri1684]

Thanks for the video! I just got this card and was a little unsure about rules interactions. You answered my questions and gave me a few ideas.

[@BARBERSHOPP]

According to an official ruling, "Permanents phase back in during their controller's untap step, immediately before that player untaps their permanents." And since "Whenever King of the Oathbreakers or another Spirit you control phases in, (you) create a tapped 1/1 white Spirit creature token with flying," this also happens before untapping. This means all your spirit tokens untap, however they will still have summoning sickness.

[@TheOpenmindStudio]

So does that mean adding cards that untap creatures (which I assume was for the tokens) is pointless to add anyway, then?

[@riley2492]

​@TheOpenmindStudio to my understanding, no abilities or spells can be resolved during the untap step since no players recieve priority. So, the trigger to create a spirit when the king or another spirit phases in will be held to the next time a player receives priority. So the spirits would be tapped the turn they enter since they missed the untap step.

[@Bmacthesage]

Don't forget about that new banner, Flowering Of the White Tree. probably going to be crazy good in this deck. Or any white deck really.

[@JackandJerdan]

I feel like people online are seriously under estimating these card

[@dudemetslagroom8065]

ooooooh this card sounds cool, insane and interesting. Interesting enough to consider making a deck with him

[@xbedfel9269]

I did Ramp Equipement removal spells , few card draws and i basically voltron it Works well 👌

[@鄭博中-m4s]

Isn’t phase in happens before untap? So the tapped spirits they create will be untapped immediately?

[@WushuTaz]

This is my question too. If this is the case, I don't understand why they have them come into play tapped...

[@SiegmundFretzgau]

as I understand it, the trigger is put on the stack before untap, but only resolves after untap

[@insanemang9983]

Okay this sounds funny to play😂, I dub this the "no touchy" commander

[@STS-qi1qy]

Definitely the most interesting potential commander I've seen from the set. Not necessarily the most powerful but definitely the most unique and relatively cheap (in terms of MC at least)

[@ItsBonz]

What’s the most powerful?

[@STS-qi1qy]

@@ItsBonz Bill the Pony, clearly. But, serious answer, it's obviously subjective but, of those previewed so far, probably Gandalf the White or Eowyn, Shieldmaiden.

[@roo6475]

many cards stated in the video would benefit greatly with Isochron Scepter. 2 mana save-all-your-creatures at instant speed, repeatedly

[@NyxTheScary]

I remember getting touch of darkness 3 years ago for less that $1 for horobi now its pushing +$20

[@TheyCallMeDio]

So basically I can use my removals as protection? That's kinda nutty

[@Beesechurger_73]

Personally I think they are printing way too many overpowered things this set, it's getting annoying. Prices are going to be outrageous.

[@kovassaratan763]

I understand where you're coming from but also with the price of the sets if cards were lackluster it could be another PR disaster

[@cosmicodyssey3382]

Honestly as many collectors that are going to get opened I’d bet the prices tank within the year

[@Brutusque]

As someone who's normally railing against power creep right there with you, this commander just isn't overpowered. It's a unique ability for sure but that's about it.

[@mitchwhite8941]

Horobi, deaths wail. So perfect for this. It's insanely busted with this commander

[@coldwinterknight318]

one sided board wipe for one mana? yes please!

[@olli3n]

Not sure... but I pulled one and I like the phase mechanic.... so I'm building a deck!

[@Peeker9]

Hey man, was it on purpose not to include a decklist in the video description? Would love a decklist! Cheers

[@micheal5973]

Isn’t there a white aura that’s essentially pacifism but let’s you change targeted spells to the enchanted creature? You’d have to play it out before the commander so it doesn’t fizzle but it would essentially turn a 1/1 spirit into a gin gitaxis and counter the first targeted spell anyone plays

[@speedfactor]

if phase out cards start to become more popular/common, I'm ready to bring out a disciple of caelus nin

[@Randoman590]

Disciple of Caelus Nin also creates a Lockout with Teferi's Protection and Hive Mind. * You have Hive Mind in Play * On the end step before you Untap, cast Teferi's Protection * All your opponents copy it, everyone's board phases out * You untap, your stuff phases in * Play Disciple of Caelus Nin * Your opponents' entire boards are now permanently phased out

[@pallen2645]

Deeply sad this card doesn't have blue. A ton of the old phase-tech is blue.

[@DaveTHouse]

Could you hit it with an oblivion ring? The phase ability only triggers on a spell cast and the oblivion ring is an ETB effect. I think the ETB effects still work as normal as they are not spells after they resolve.

[@MrDeeluv1996]

Yea O ring works, because it’s a permanent targeting and not a spell

[@Narutocjw]

This card will have cool interaction. A single 1 cost green buff spell, and boom I can stall out this commander.

[@joshuatran6526]

Instead of spirit tribal, you can go pure voltron with equips and auras since they are maintained

[@Veiphiel]

You can't put auras, because he phases in response

[@shadowarchivist2382]

Looks like my afterlife deck has a new commander!

[@1boosd]

Honestly you can put alot of what you put into your horobi build in this to protect your board state lol

[@ArcturusMinsk]

so you're telling me I can remove your commander till your next upkeep just by targeting it with a spell? Sounds like you're not going to get to swing much with your commander and be wide open for retaliation.

[@MrDeeluv1996]

I mean unless you playing tramplers, all your targeted removal becomes -1 after the first one since you’ll get chump blocked by 1/1 spirits

[@ArcturusMinsk]

@@MrDeeluv1996 those don't spawn till the player's untap step and also enter tapped.

[@MrDeeluv1996]

@@ArcturusMinsk you phase in, then untap. So after that first targeted spell you will be going -1. They will gain a chump blocker each time their turn comes around. So essentially wasting that removal for 0 gain, unless you have a trampler

[@lilymonsoon8287]

*playing mairsil and grinning like a madwoman* "oh no all the SPELLS i certainly play whatever will i dooooo"

[@lepoulpedelespace3635]

If all (or some of) the legal targets of a spell phases out, won't you just lose the card as it fizzles ? So, you might just want to load the deck with cheap cards (mana cost 2 and less) regardless of their effects, as long as they target multiple creatures. Cantrips won't work, but thankfully : you play black, so you do have tutors and some okay draw spells to compensate.

[@jasa_TheRealOne]

I just made a radadrabik deck, this is going in.

[@johnlange4814]

fun thing is the timing of the creation of the tokens. the ability triggers when the creatures phase back in....before the upkeep. those spirits essentially have haste. just something to think about too

[@eewweeppkk]

I thought a creature had to be summoned before your turn, not just upkeep?

[@firstandlast.1254]

Summoning sickness is a term for the rule that a creature cannot attack or use activated abilities either with the tap (T.svg) or untap (Q.svg) symbol if it has not been continuously controlled by a player since the beginning of that player's most recent turn.

[@firstandlast.1254]

That's from the comprehensive rule, I'm not sure the creatures will be able to attack

[@connorl0204]

@@firstandlast.1254 i believe it specified that you have to control it *since the beginning of your most recent untap step* which is after stuff phases in.

[@Hallerson]

Anyone Ideas for esper Spirit tribal? 😢

[@clebertonmedeirosdebrito9517]

A ironia é que ele não vai poder ser comandante no formato Oathbreaker kkkkk

[@braveherogreenleaf6256]

Hallowed Haunting, Mondrak, brokers ascendancy.

[@jakebennett9130]

disappointed it wasn't in esper colours cause there's a bunch of phasing cards in blue as well as white

[@norrock1]

Let's get really stupid with the mana value 2 or less Instants that multi-target. Add Isochron Scepter to your deck list lol

[@crabscrustaceus9803]

cant you just stack a removal to the trigger?

[@colexian]

To answer this question way late, typically the answer is no. Say you target the King with a spell, before the spell resolves his trigger goes on the stack. If you respond to the trigger by targeting him, you just trigger him again. The best you can do is target him to make him phase, and then target other stuff since his effect can't trigger while he is phased. But you always get 2 for 1'ed this way.

[@chariot2523]

THIS looks like something I would want to play! XD

[@stevecampbell9670]

So anyone could just use a mass targeting spell (sway of illusion is my go to) to remove all of your blockers and then stomp you. This commander seems a little to high risk.

[@whaleofdarkness]

A shame this isn't blue. Teferi's Veil would have been awesome with this commander.

[@zeropoint2594]

it may be basicly unkillable but if you build only spirits in that deck your opponents can basicly boardwhipe you without having to fear any ltb´s so I´m not sure how poerfull that commander is

[@pejman3]

kinda sad that you have 0 control over it it means you cant put any auras on your creatures for instance

[@theorca2598]

Is this just better ranar the everwatchful?

[@4llg00dth1ng5]

The one thing I'm afraid of is this becoming yet another voltron deck that minimizes interaction as much as possible. Having any 1-mana self-targetable spells means you can always just bounce out of an opponent's removal for creatures, auras, and equipment, especially because targeting happens as a spell goes on the stack, so counterspelling doesn't even do anything. Basically forcing your opponents to spend TWO pieces of removal for any one card you have to avoid said removal. I'm tired of people playing those kinds of decks. But, if people follow the *spirit* [slaps knee] of this commander (not likely), it should be a lot of fun for the table.

[@SiegmundFretzgau]

well, if you try to use the commander as target: it can only use equipment, but no auras. If you use some other spirit: you have to shut down your own defenses (using a card) to use auras.

[@4llg00dth1ng5]

@@SiegmundFretzgau some auras target as abilities, not spells. Some of them attach as both, it just depends

[@scourgeneo7834]

Awww man, not like Teferi’s protection is in white or anything like that…

[@tom4465]

Looks to me as shitty hexproof, but you get a 1/1 out of the deal if you pitch a card

[@skullkrusher-dx4kg]

This basically just replaces millicent i think lol

[@Squee_Izmagnus]

Cathar's Crusade would work pretty well with King of the Oathbreakers. When a couple spirits phase back into play and you create a bunch of spirit tokens through King of the Oathbreakers's 2nd ability, you can seriously beef up all of your spirits with a bunch of +1/+1 counters😅

[@jinzo637]

Well shit looks like spirit Tribal decks are gonna get stupid strong!!!! 😂

[@nickkuijt2950]

Tetzimoc in this tho...

[@BClevs]

Wins an award for survivable commander, but seeeems kinda weak.. slow, low-impact. At best, phase your board out, get a half-tapped board state in return. Double the board, tapped = the same board. Have to find utility for your tokens outside of combat for this one, and there are far-better commanders for that.

[@MrDeeluv1996]

Only card you need is skull clamp turn those 1/1s into 2 cards

[@BClevs]

@@MrDeeluv1996 says every token deck, but get 4 with teysa.

[@BARBERSHOPP]

you untap your new tapped spirit tokens at your untap step, they etb before untapping with the other spirits as they phase in, so no half tapped army, just summoning sickness

[@Blaze2020v]

8 1/1's coming thru. 🤣🤣🤣

[@jacopoabbruscato9271]

Too bad most of the support for spirts is in azorius

[@connorl0204]

Azorious is still white, so you just only get half of the support

[@sealions660]

I wish it was esper though because a lot of spirit staple cards don’t go in orzhov :(

[@hellglaser3450]

So long teysa

[@Randoman590]

Well, I can still see Teysa Karlov showing up in the 99 of this deck, but yes, it's not really necessary and this could potentially compete with her in popularity.

[@dzello]

The single worse card to put in your mutate deck!

[@beawesomeandstuff]

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[@jeffreykann213]

My first first!

[@tendo339]

looks so cancer and annoying, this set looks way overpowered