Well Scares Your Problem | Episode 116: HH Holmes and his Murder Castle

[@thomaspalazzolo5902]

Alice middle-name suggestion: Ridgette. Like Bridgette but more rigid.

[@SHRUGGiExyz]

There is not a more perfect middle name possible, unless it was combined with "Brigid"

[@OneTrueCat]

Idk, Bridgette is already pretty good. Like Bridge, but girl.

[@realcanadian67]

But bridges!!!

[@STOP_red_light]

How about Ridgette Bridger

[@gjits5307]

"Stay rigid and don't get collapsed"

[@deeznoots6241]

This unironically is a true crime podcast, just about engineering crimes

[@Matt-oq4jq]

why true crime now,

[@blackvulture6818]

What is social murder but a crime?

[@beanieweenietapioca]

Declaring your moral superiority over other true crime podcasts might be the most true crime podcast thing ever.

[@Peter-iq9yy]

its a true crime podcast but for social murder

[@trashrabbit69]

True, my favorite true crime story is "Making Of a Groverhaus"

[@lukewest7216]

I appreciate that this postcast celebrates 3 holidays and they're Halloween, Christmas, and 9/11

[@gjits5307]

You forgot italian month

[@macizogalaico]

same thing as 9/11. didn't you know that al-qaeda had a DEI program back then? ​@@gjits5307

[@john.m.shukites]

For a scary drop, there should be thunder followed by Roz's laugh when RGB died.

[@Sir.Craze-]

Only three hours after the other guy who said this. Great minds must think alike!

[@miabobeea2644]

top 10 wtyp moment

[@rwrunning1813]

That was PEAK Justin Roczniak (scary)

[@Rosa-lv8yw]

I'm pretty sure thats the sound that plays at the start of cod zombies

[@Actual-Knight]

ruth gader binsburg

[@shadyshopkeep2211]

Such a missed opportunity to call this “Henry Howard Holmes’s Hotel of Homicide”

[@notbadsince97]

Blatant bullshit buzzwords by bumbling bigwigged buffoons bring blisters to my bullocks. Alliteration bitches

[@GoredonTheDestroyer]

Boooooooooo

[@SomeThingOrMaybeAnother]

Alice, if a dentist left something ferromagnetic inside your teeth, you won't be flung towards the MRI machine. The machine is just going to rip that thing out of your face. Similar to piercings. Hope this helps.

[@eleSDSU]

Nah, Alice gets flung across the room because she is very rigid.

[@pendragonchen]

@@eleSDSU This is true.

[@Debilitator47]

@@eleSDSU I think Alice embraces the dream of rigidity, while not being rigid herself. It is aspirational. At least that's my read, from this podcast and no other information.

[@Kam_el_dung]

As to that newspaper running with all four headlines they could come up with: The beautiful font they used is called Facade, designed by Boston Type Foundry prior to 1892. It has been digitized by Monotype in 2004, albeit only a condensed variant.

[@_LAB]

Nice! I was looking but wasn't having much luck on the name. How did you look for the typeface if you don't mind my asking? Or was it one you just recognized?

[@Kam_el_dung]

@@_LAB There is this site, identifont. It asks about certain features of a font, e.g. the shape of serifs on the letter C, and if you're lucky it finds the one you were looking for. Far more reliable though than any image-based font finder. The remainder did Ye Olde Trusted Search Engine.

[@_LAB]

@@Kam_el_dung Oh that's a good idea! I was trying image based searches but at best they could only guess it was various vaguely art nouveau style serif fonts

[@delusionnnnn]

And that type of serif is frequently called a "demi serif". There's no official dividing line between a serif and a demi-serif font, since type taxonomies are very subjective. I sort mine according to my own very personal taxonomy which is very useful to me. I'd pop this one into "period > art nouveau".

[@xmlthegreat]

​@@Kam_el_dungthank you for the suggestion, it was a useful tool!

[@benoitbvg2888]

To that nurse that insisted I remove my tongue piercing before getting my MRI many many years ago : Thank you. I did not realize.

[@disfordumboo4411]

my landlord, my boss, and my girlfriend’s boyfriend walk into a bar. bartender says “what can i get you sir?”

[@Joesolo13]

You're a self-employed homeowner?

[@raesifers]

Alice should have sampled Roz's horrifying laugh from the 9/11 episode (I think?)

[@garrettlogue4249]

That's just Rozz's normal laugh.

[@shodancat1000]

that would've been amazing, especially with some cool processing effects on it

[@WarisAmirMohammad]

Was this when he learnt of rbg's death?

[@darthbob88]

@@WarisAmirMohammad The very same. A solid minute of Rocz turning into the Joker. E: Check that, just went back and listened to it, he only spent about 30 seconds cackling. About 1:25:30 if you want to go back and listen to it yourself.

[@ChaseTheTech]

The one where RBG died was the best

[@thomasgiles2876]

Its not late, they were just building dramatic tension.

[@johnmh2012]

"I see you shiver with anticipa......tion"

[@thomasgiles2876]

@@johnmh2012 Thrill me chill me, fulfill me, LIAM OF THE NIGHT!!!

[@nathaniellindner313]

November 2 is the spookiest day of them all, the creeps drop just when you thought you were safe again

[@XoxSkateLoverxoX]

A WTYP episode is never late. Nor is it early; it arrives precisely when it means to.

[@thomasgiles2876]

@@XoxSkateLoverxoX Slurring it's slurs and trying to fight terfs one handed while eating a Gobbler.

[@nhojemon]

the actual funniest part of the 300% fatality rate surgeon is that he was actually considered a very good surgeon at the time- he was a pre-anaesthesia amputationist, so if you couldn't snicker-snack a leg off there in two seconds, you'd kill the guy of sheer fucking agony. it was that drive for speed that led to the 300% fatality rate later on, but most of his other surgeries were apparently fantastically well done

[@billmozart7288]

Parents in the 1890's: "Well, you're five years old. Time to start pulling your weight. I got you a job at the match factory. " No need to murder your child

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

More like the timely maming and dismemberment factory.

[@AsbestosMuffins]

And no need for child care, the match factory is next to the explosives factory that Mom and Dad work in!

[@OneTrueCat]

@@jacobrzeszewski6527 that's terrible! How could you say such things!? The kid lived to be five already, that's not timely at all. How are you supposed to put up with them that long!?

[@thomasgiles2876]

It's 1890. You're moving to Jonestown to work at the barbed wire factory. Your position in life keeps going up in the world.

[@thomaspalazzolo5902]

Here's a cool word associated with fonts in that time period: The Printer's Devil, who is the person who assists the lineatyper who makes the print plates.

[@lawoftsunami]

once again, Devon's editing is ACE and i appreciate them so much for their additions

[@ClimateDude]

The "Killstreak" at 33:10 absolutely send me.

[@iamjustkiwi]

My favorite thing about this podcast is how genuinely friendly everyone is with each other. It really paras my socials but like in a healthy way; I love how y'all are so genuinely caring and loving to one another... enbies, men, women, and everyone else around the world could learn a lot from hearing you guys simply pal around.

[@josephgraney1928]

The shortest serving monarch of all time is believed to be Louis XIX of France. After his father's abdication during the July Revolution on August 2, 1830, he ascended to the throne, but abdicated around 20 minutes later.

[@xannaduu]

Damn. Definitely beat Mr. Max of Mexico.

[@steemlenn8797]

Well, I am sure technically there was someone even shorter, like the royal family killed at once, father right before the son. But for adhering to the offical minutiae (crowning, annoucning, writing the letter) that is probably as fast as you can get.

[@joshuahadams]

@@steemlenn8797 I guess that would be the Romanoffs? Alexei would have technically been Tsar long enough to the Red army to reload or something from like that?

[@tireypagel]

@@joshuahadams technically Alexi became Tsar when his father abdicated months before that. One complication was that Nicholar could not "abdicate" for his under age son like he tried to do, so you could make the argument that Alexi was Thar for several months.

[@gjits5307]

Head of state vs head of government

[@ericew576]

At this point the ACU (Alice Cinematic Universe) could do a crossover episode. Watching a movie about a tech start up disaster. It could be called Kill Your Future Problem.

[@Eric_Hunt194]

Sounds like a rejected Planned Parenthood slogan...

[@MeonLights]

Hmmmm maybe I, Robot?

[@dylanchouinard6141]

Or WeCrashed?

[@douglasboyle6544]

I can't believe Liam was Absent for half of the Truss administration Podcasts, it's good to have him back.

[@MrJimheeren]

This episode makes me kinda sad. I liked the idea of a murder castle in the middle of Chicago. But now it’s just a normal house where a guy just murdered people

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

But a murder castle in the middle of Chicago is just a regular motel in Chicago.

[@ca44444]

@@jacobrzeszewski6527 No, go to Detroit for that All jokes aside, Chicago is not nearly as dangerous as the media says it is. Signed, a dumbass who’s lived here for several years and traveled all around the city and hasn’t died yet

[@ca44444]

It’s not even that, it’s a fucking POST OFFICE. MAIL is sent there

[@castor9683]

@@ca44444 Is it at least a hotspot for mail fraud or something?

[@ca44444]

@@castor9683 LOL I wish, it’s just a regular post office

[@jaypopfan7767]

Today I realize that Alice is not introducing herself as Alice Cool Girl Kelly

[@FlameDarkfire]

Well why the fuck isn’t she now?

[@LostLargeCats]

Wait really?

[@Alex-cw3rz]

I remember one bogous claim was about a safe the size of room he'd lock people in, the annoying thing is the real story is so much more interesting and funny he did have a big safe. However, it was again a hire purchase scam, he got the safe on hire purchase and had it installed in the wall, he of cpurse didn't pay the installments, and when the debt collectors came he showed them to the safe and said you take the safe but if you damage my wall one bit, I'll sue you. So they had to just leave without the safe.

[@PickledThyme1]

Ah the classic "you can have my head but can't touch my neck" trick (Norse Mythology is wild)

[@swiftlymurmurs]

​@@PickledThyme1Or the classic Shakespearian "you can have a pound of my flesh but none of my blood"

[@jamespocelinko104]

Out of curiosity, does this count as hostile architecture?

[@someidiot4570]

sure why not

[@udutuleb]

Just wanted to alleviate some common fears and pains with MRI. So my job is doing MRI scans and metal objects in the room or inside your body aren't really that big of a deal. Piercings and dental implants (in my country in the EU) are made from non magnetic materials, same goes for hip, knee, wrist etc implants and screws and plates. A rather common thing is that patients have some metal under their skin from some sort of an accident. Like workplace stuff or maybe like a hunting accident or old war injuries. In those cases we just instruct the patient that they might feel a pull or something vibrating or heating up and we go into the MRI room together. If it is magnetic then usually the patient feels said things but it's not like once you step inside it's gonna go flying from your body. The magnetic field gets stronger the closer to the machine you are so you can just approach slowly and see how the patient reacts. Anecdotally, just a couple months ago I had a patient who warned me before that her "whole body is full of shrapnel". I checked her x-rays and indeed, she was littered with small pieces of shrapnel. She got caught in an air raid in the second world war. So I informed her of the dangers the scan but we gave it a go and no problem. So I guess WWII soviet bomb shrapnel is MRI safe? Occasionally the patient forgets like a coin or a key in their pocket and yes that can go flying. Small objects can be retrieved with relative ease but the bigger the thingy, the harder you have to pull to get it out. We had a chair fly into the machine. One of those flimsy plastic chairs with metal legs you see in waiting halls and such. Luckily the room was empty, we just had a new janitor who wanted to dust off the cupboards and couldn't reach. We had to attach some ropes to the chair and it took a couple of guys to pull it out. The most safety third occurrences come from other medics rather than patients. Doctors and nurses who don't work in the MRI but are accompanying an inpatient are the worst. They waltz in like they own the place and I've had to physically grab and pull people from going into the room with scissors or whatever. Tl:dr MRI is pretty safe, don't worry about it. Claustrophobia is super common though, so feel free to pop a xanny or smth before the scan.

[@NPC45100]

This is my favorite Safety Third ever, it's so insane. I NEED to know everything about the pain machine that's apparently immune to magnets but also picks up radio broadcasts 🤣

[@grmpEqweer]

1:04:27 IIRC, here in Texas, cars have to yield right of way to horses on public roads. I do not advise you to strike a horse on the road, regardless. A horse (with a rider or not) through your windshield is going to be a VERY VERY bad day for everyone. Drive Friendly, Y'all. Edit, in other news, I think our legislature okayed open carry of swords (when not in costume). Our lege is nuts.

[@Leigh-says-stuff]

My theory on why women like true crime media is that it usually covers solved crimes, so it’s subconsciously reminding us that sometimes the system works, sometimes the people with power care, and sometimes the bad guys get punished. Kind of like how I watch plane crash documentaries before a flight, to remind myself of how many ways to crash a plane have already been found and fixed.

[@marinary1326]

Even in cases that aren't solved, the fact that it's being taken so seriously as to be blindly speculated on by amateurs on a podcast, with all kinds of dramatic theories, probably feels validating of the fears that a lot of women have. Cuz it's not just a fear of bad thing happening, there's also the fear that it won't be taken seriously.

[@MazHem]

@@elsiehupp Depends, a fair few of them are about how the cops are shit. I think many of the true crime things are just validating people's fears, like urban legends. "If you go to the forest you will be eaten by a wolf... it happened to a guy in the town over! here's the newspaper clipping!"

[@ReiSilver]

@@elsiehupp I have watched forensic documentaries and true crime stuff since I was a young girl and can honestly say nothing has made me say ACAB more.

[@scout8145]

That’s a good point. My related theory is that women are often raised to act as though strangers are constantly trying to hurt them, so they gravitate towards evidence that fits that worldview, such as true crime. Sorta like how people with other traumas may try to trigger themselves on purpose. The cognitive dissonance can be harder to tolerate than consuming upsetting media.

[@Eric_Hunt194]

I think it's more a case of "sure, Peter Sutcliffe (to pick a serial murderer of women at random) was a murderous psychopath... but I love a bad boy, and I can change him".

[@alextey3111]

the problem with grave robbing is that you eventually run out of other people's corpses

[@ENCHANTMEN_]

underrated comment

[@philipmalcolm4550]

I may run out of corpses but I'll never run out of graves.

[@anaiskochan3844]

Thanks for having Gareth on again. My favorite guest. Would marry.

[@midgetwthahacksaw]

Same! Also Roz. As a nerd whose family worked on the Pennsy, Roz is a lovable teddy bear.

[@Eric_Hunt194]

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Listless Truss's entire Premiership was the doing of her Dom, wanting her to humiliate herself in the most elaborate way possible... and she loved every minute of it.

[@albertrodriguez9086]

I was in a pain study once to help out a friend from my old DSA chapter. The pain device was a piece of metal on a strap that would heat up enough to be significantly uncomfortable but not actually burn you, though this was in an extremely well-funded university neuroscience research center, so I can't say what the uncertified pain device would look like. Also, the VR headset in the ad wasn't involved, but that's probably just supposed to represent the screen you watch in the MRI so they can give you stimuli to see how the pain affect your reactions.

[@AbsolXGuardian]

Yeah. I got the sense that you experience being attacked in VR at the same time the pain machine activates in the same place. Then they either take away the pain or take away the vr and see how you feel without one of the stimuli you've been primed with. What wider implications are they studying? idk.

[@GaldirEonai]

"Unlicensed Pain Machine" is my new band name.

[@cailinanne]

“Sydni but spelled wrong” should be the whole middle name Alice.

[@gjits5307]

Either that or "Pinkerton"

[@stuqsnette2900]

This name is a Tragedyieh

[@BanJoKazoowie]

Anesthesiologist here Alice: Ask your dentist if they use any ferrous instruments. If yes, then STAY AWAY

[@synthgal1090]

Why are ferrous instruments a problem? Do ferrous implants leave traces behind that can get MRI yoinked?

[@BanJoKazoowie]

@@synthgal1090 I'm not sure of the physics behind it. I just know that the magnet favours ferrous metal alloys. Newer medical devices and implants are made with titanium, nickel, and others metals which are deemed "MRI-compatible"

[@stuqsnette2900]

Fun fact; the machine described in Safety Third was also featured in the film adaptation of The Princess Bride 😇

[@Godzilla_Jesus]

The font is called Aeolian Regular (in the headline at least.) Also, it's "Typographer", not that I am one :)

[@lolwutinternet]

Aeolian's a digital pseudo-revival of the font that it actually is; an 1882 font called Facade. The guy who made Aeolian, Harold Lohner, made his own replacements for a couple letters/numbers that were missing from the sample he used of the original font to base the recreation on: Aeolian's 7, for example, is totally different from the one in the headline.

[@artistwithouttalent]

Maybe I'm the wrong person to answer this, given that I'm not really a true crime fan myself, but I will attempt to explain what makes y'all different from a true crime podcast: true crime either focuses on the mystery of a crime, or the arc of solving the mystery and getting some semblance of justice for the victims. In your podcasts, there are no mysteries about who committed the social murder; they have names and addresses -and unless they are dead, they can be coerced!- And in your stories, there is no justice for the victims. At _best_ some random low-level functionary is found guilty for systemic evil and given a sentence that their executives deserve. When I do listen to true crime, I either get enticed by the mystery or a sense of closure and justice (which is misplaced, but I digress). When I listen to WTYP I want to fucking burn something because there _is_ no justice.

[@angusmillerable]

While ideologically, I do not agree with halloween episodes coming out in November, I must concede that it is necessary to create a buffer state in November from which we can prosecute the war on Christmas.

[@boydsinclair7606]

I'm with Alice on the MRI... I've seen a video of an old MRI machine be fed an office chair, and I've been in the machine thinking 'what if I've got a clandestine tracking implant I don't know about? What if I had a gotten little bits of metal in an old injury? What if I had a any magnetic reactive metal anywhere in my body at all... 🤔 I'm not picturing myself getting thrown into the machine, I imagine myself being reverse shot, as small objects fire out of me 😵

[@chad3232132]

At least where I live, those "old" MRI (the old claustrophobic washing) machines are still almost universally used. The technology exists for less intrusive stand-up MRI machines, but few offices have paid to upgrade to those. I know people who have so much anxiety about MRI machines, they pay to go out of network just to have access to a newer one. Got forbid you move a single muscle in those old ones, you have to re-do the whole MRI for another 20-30 minutes.

[@FroggyFoe]

Dev batting a thousand with the FIRST BLOOD. DOUBLE KILL. TRIPLE KILL.

[@eclipserepeater2466]

Oh man, that safety third killed me. "Unlicensed pain machine" XD

[@chad3232132]

It made me nervous that licensed pain machines even exist.

[@thefareplayer2254]

50:14 That was subtle, but sweet. Liam is really proud of Rocz.

[@icryyoumercy]

for a more harmless safety third, and also to be really petty, i work in a bicycle repair shop. and the local osha-equivalent requires wearing safety boots for doing this, and requires those boots to have steel or otherwise reinforced toe-caps and also re-inforced soles to prevent injury from accidentally stepping on sharp and/or spiky things. since these boots are, however, usually just called 'steel-toed boots' instead of safety boots, people forget that the toecaps aren't the only handy safety feature. and my co-workers and bosses keep going 'come on, it's just bikes, dropping a bike on your foot won't hurt you, there's no need for those boots' and show up in the flimsiest sneakers imaginable. and every time someone steps on a bit of spiky metal or stubs their toes or drops something unexpectedly heavy and/or unsuitably shaped on their feet and does the whole foot-ouchy-dance, i can't help the schadenfreude, but also i feel really grateful for the (really comfortable!) heavy-duty safety boots i'm wearing

[@AlRoderick]

Nothing scary rhymes with Gareth Dennis? Did we all forget that Dennis and menace rhyme so perfectly that two different people on opposite sides of the Atlantic made up comic strips called that at about the same time?

[@wrt1992]

Off-topic but I recently had to translate a text from my native language into English and it was about bridges and even involved an engineering failure. Thanks to this podcast, I actually knew a bit about what I was translating. So thank you ,Well There's Your Problem for the education.

[@c.djinmyr]

YAY!! MY FAVORITE PODCAST!! 👻🎃✊️🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ Edit: *exits pain machine* "AND YOU CAN KEEP THE FIVE BUCKS MISTER!"

[@gratuitouslurking8610]

33:01 Extra credit for Alice to having all her drops in a row for this specific moment, proud of you!

[@MrIzaakLee]

I'm pretty sure that was Devon editing them in

[@civishamburgum1234]

So because you are all wondering: I took part in a pain experiment, just this tuesday and their pain machine was an infrared laser. They point it at you and it goes from nothing to poking yourself with a tothpicki out of boredom.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

1:17:05 love how succinctly you put that Alice, it's like famous quotes they are always attributed to random people because they need to have a fancy saying it can't just be a normal person who came up with that. Same with Shakespeare you can't have a sort of normal person who came from a "working class" (Middle class in reality) family no he needs to be the earl of Essex who di ed when plays were still being written with topical jokes.

[@MeonLights]

I would love for True Crime to become more focused on thieves and frauds. There are some really good stories out there about people stealing from museums or rich bastards. Those are much more fun and also I adore heist movies. But until then we just gotta ignore it.

[@hambrabai1256]

On the topic of MRI machines and metal, I learned very quickly that leftover and unmentioned staples just under the skin from surgery will rather violently seek freedom once inside Mr. MRI.

[@SixArmedSweater]

Oh Jesus.

[@yesterdaysrose5446]

> Our friend Herman, he went to the University of Michigan > That would explain the psychopathy Look, I'm just a dum-dum from Europe. I understand neither American universities nor American sports, which are interlinked. But I expect Liam to shout something that explains everything. Birdies good!

[@WebertHest]

Regulated pain causing devices are ones that usually use heat, or the sensation of heat (so they are either getting painfully warm, or spraying your skin with capsaicin), cold, or electricity.

[@rogerledgister7913]

Fun fact about MRI, the original name of the technique one of the inventors came up with was Zeugmatography.

[@PFMediaServices]

Hello guys and gal! The other day I sent an e-mail about doing captions; not sure how flooded the inbox is at the podcast factory. Very excited for this episode. 🏳️‍🌈🍍

[@ca44444]

Ugh yes another Chicago story! Also I’m glad you referenced Adam Selzer for this episode, too many people read Devil in the White City and take everything the author wrote as historical fact. As a Chicago-based tour guide myself, a lot of the city’s history is wrapped up in myth and seeing the proper historians getting referenced makes me so happy!!

[@ca44444]

Also fun fact: the building where the “murder castle” used to stand is now the post office for the neighborhood of Englewood

[@crybernetics9007]

@@ca44444 does it get mail fraud related hauntings by HH Holmes

[@ca44444]

@@crybernetics9007 no, I wish. that would at least be entertaining

[@FreeSamich]

Ahem, Malice CAULDRON-SKELLY

[@daved2352]

Scareth Menace would be a good spooky alternative to Gareth Dennis.

[@hendrix24]

Upon hearing the phrase unregulated pain device my mind went directly to hammer as well

[@scaredyfish]

I don’t know what specifies ‘true crime’ as a genre, but I think I’ve seen plenty of crime documentaries and dramatisations that don’t glamorise cops, and either explicitly or implicitly expose the flaws of the justice system.

[@TylerMcHenry]

The "cool term for a guy who makes fonts" that you were trying to remember is "type foundry".

[@Alex-cw3rz]

So it wasn't so much a mu rder castle as it was a building full of furniture, that sets on fire every so often when the owner wants to get some insurance money from it.

[@sirrliv]

That Safety Third though, oof! I really hope all the folks that work there get regular psychological evaluations, because that sound exactly like the sort of place where either you need to be a sociopath to work there or working there will turn you into a sociopath very quickly. Were it up to me, I would monitor that facility very closely and the MINUTE I get word that ANY sort of "cost cutting" measures had been proposed, I would order its immediate closure and for everyone on the books, every single person who works there whether on shift or not, to be taken away to a mental hospital; if they pass as sane and rational they're free to go, maybe even with an extra $100 for the inconvenience, but I'm taking no chances; anyone who would think they can cheap out on devices designed to CAUSE PAIN most likely has something wrong with their head.

[@mikaelsanchez6426]

Nitroglycerin is actually used in modern medicine too, it's part of the EMT's essential cabinet (don't ask me what it's for though)

[@teika5514]

blood pressure... well its a vasiodialator so any time you want someone to have wider blood vessels/ respond like they have significantly reduced blood volume/ rapidly drop their blood pressue/ ect.

[@FionaOfMountLawley]

Pretty sure it's still used to relieve the symptoms of angina pectoralis.

[@SadisticSenpai61]

Wait, we need to go back to the part where someone named their kid after Jephthah. The man who sacrificed his daughter in the book of Judges. ...I have no words.

[@Nermishish]

was literally just listening to the ghost ship episode, wondering about this year's spooky ep. hope you're all doing well and are having a lovely spookytime!

[@IntervencionesGringas]

How will Alice go to the compound if she's in the big shoe that the TF hosts all live in?

[@trioptimum9027]

That's why you need a compound, obviously: so there's room for the big shoe.

[@CatherineA133]

I am so excited for this podcast entering the true crime market, which is terribly underrepresented in news, programs, and podcasts. There is another true crime occurring now in CA as 48000 unionized academic researchers, GSI’s, and postdocs just walked off the job to strike to demand living wages that will keep pace with skyrocketing rent costs, family leave, PTO for workplace injuries, subsidies for public transit, -and- protections from workplace harassment and discrimination. Truly insane when a studio is about $2000/month in many locations and average wages are already $24000/year. It totally covers rent. Hubris comes to mind. Anyway it would be great if you could cover it in the goddamn news!

[@Leeqzombie]

As Peter Steele sang, "What is the link between these crafts? Doctors and thieves, they both wear masks"

[@miradrgn]

going to assume that the unauthorized pain machine is the big torture contraption they strap the guy to in the princess bride and that's why it's so hard to interface it with the mri correctly also i'd have to imagine that if the dentist left some metal tool in your mouth it wouldn't yank your whole body toward the machine, itd just fly out your mouth, possibly through your cheek, and maybe carrying a tooth with it, so really it'd be fine in the scheme of things (realtalk i have a bunch of fillings from bad childhood dental hygeine and ive had an mri without any teeth entering my brain so presumably metallic fillings are made of non-magnetic metal)

[@capsjukebox]

We have identified the ultimate problem: People

[@OneTrueCat]

I would like to propose glyphwright as the name for a font maker.

[@alliebean3235]

as someone who enjoys true crime, i think the way that it's handled varies a lot. there are some people who are incredibly disrespectful of the victims and their families, especially ones who apply makeup or eat while talking about a case, or the overly dramatized sexy versions of killers we see netflix putting out, those are fucking vile. on the other hand, there are people (mainly youtubers) out there who put a lot of focus on the lives of the victims and advocate for marginalized groups and call out shoddy policework regularly. kendall rae in particular has worked with victims families in the past, and regularly covers smaller unsolved cases to bring more awareness to them. she's also big on covering cases involving MMIW, which is incredibly important. to alice's point regarding women enjoying true crime, i think there's an aspect of wanting to know what's out there so you can protect yourself and your loved ones. we also often are victims of crimes ourselves, so listening to how an investigation is done or the psychology behind these crimes is a way to gain control over and process that trauma. it also validates our anxiety about walking alone at night, or entering a car alone, or getting catcalled or whatever, it demystifies and legitimizes something we experience daily and there's an odd kind of comfort in knowing you're not insane for being nervous in these situations

[@laureng2110]

Telling women they ought to be afraid of leaving the house is exclusively fascist. True crime chooses which murders to focus on very deliberately.

[@ValerieEnriquez]

26:47 Alice's long game for Kissinger has finally paid off.

[@Eric_Hunt194]

Now you need to do a "Best of the Worst" of Safety Thirds.

[@GaldirEonai]

I nominate the kid who pointed a rifle at the range instructor and pulled the trigger to demonstrate it was malfunctioning.

[@husaynkartodirdjo1059]

@@GaldirEonai Which episode was this please? I have been searching for it for ages but can't find it ._.

[@GaldirEonai]

@@husaynkartodirdjo1059 It's the Caving Disasters one. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIatfIWMqpt8jKM

[@scottsellevaag6530]

Technically they're frequently a true crime podcast, in that they podcast about crimes that actually happened. This is just one of the few times said crimes are murder.

[@lukewest7216]

Well, murder of the non-social kind

[@IRMcMuffin]

Alice on the quiet car reenacting the subway car scene from Joker

[@FrznFury27]

The font is called Mural, it was designed in 1889.

[@TheNeiraaa]

As a Bosnian, I'm not vibing with fact Karadžić is staring at me for a significant portion of this episode 😵‍💫

[@Alex-cw3rz]

The reason it is believed he actually k illed the guy rather than getting a cadaver is because he was going to back out of the plan. And as everything we see with Holms it's about the money and if he cannot get it he'll mu rder for it.

[@OutbackCatgirl]

Spaces there to avoid the youtube content filter?

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@OutbackCatgirl yeah

[@shexec32]

Regarding MRI safety, you rid yourself of most personal metal objects once you change into a hospital gown. Remaining ferromagnetic objects (piercings / jewellery, etc.) can be scanned for with weaker magnets before you enter the MRI. But for the truly paranoid, you can be pre-screen MRI patients with a CT-scan/X-ray, to find those undeclared piercings, forgotten staplings, or the leftover surgical scissor from your last op.

[@piguyalamode164]

Fun fact about liquid helium: according to Randall Munroe's what if(#50) "When cooled below about two degrees kelvin, it becomes a superfluid, which has the odd property that it crawls up and over the walls of containers by capillary forces." So, liquid helium is even more terrifying than you might expect due to its ability to climb the walls of the container to find a warm surface and suffocate you I think that the worst part of the safety 3rd is that as stated the MRI cost a million dollars. Operating an MRI without a pain machine is absurdly expensive(liquid helium is like really hard to keep liquid and cold, and you have to periodically top up your helium supply, maintenance is really hard, cleaning is hard, everyone needs to be specially trained to safely be near the device, ect). So the fact that someone felt the need to save a probably relatively small amount of money and not properly replace the pain machine or test it is like really fucking stupid and self destructive. You've already spent 1 mill on the device, probably high tens or low hundreds of thousands a year to run the device, and yet you are nickel and diming over a hundred thousand dollar one time cost(that forms a core component of your lab). Sure the pain machine is probably also expensive, but you're running a fucking MRI.

[@brunof1996]

6:42 umm... Actually we (Argentina) had 5 heads of state in eleven days. With a president lasting only 7 Days. 23 of December of 2001 to 30 of December of 2001

[@TuesdaysArt]

Oh dear

[@poppyhaze6613]

i got a friend who's dad was murdered and he and his mom get calls all the time from true crime podcasters saying they think they cracked the case.

[@Kinzokugia]

"What if I'm flung across the room?" Well, It's more likely the metal object would be ripped forcibly from your body. So... you know... comforting...

[@sweetprimrose]

Unauthorized Pain Machine is both a sicknasty username and or Band name for Nine Inch Nails tribute band.

[@sweetprimrose]

Discount Pain Machine also fucks... damnit.

[@Sylvie_without_surname]

I'd love to have an extended conversation with my pain machine operator about whether or not there are four lights.

[@murciadoxial8056]

I love the theory that H.H. Holmes was jack the ripper, is absolute bullshit, but I absolutely love it.

[@jaysea5939]

"My Favorite Murder"?! That can't be real and it's probably real and I hate it. Edit: "the show has broken download records and sparked an enthusiastic, interactive "Murderino" fan base who come out in droves for their sold-out worldwide tours." Fuck!

[@darthbob88]

Last time I was this early to the podcast, the Tacoma Narrows Bridge was still standing.

[@johannamost4387]

I mean, it still is? You must be talking about Gertie

[@michaelberens2235]

i regurually bike past william henry harrison's giant phallic tomb and i laugh every time

[@Solarn40]

Reading up on Holmes's actual murders, there does seem to be a serial killer-ish pattern there. Like, just because he defrauded the women before he killed them and their underage relatives, that doesn't stop it from being a pattern.

[@Kirwinia]

Also: There are approximately 4 trimesters in a year (a trimester being 12-14 weeks), so it's the 24th trimester abortion.

[@MySerpentine]

27th, got to include the actual pregnancy.

[@eleSDSU]

Tri-mester, a latin baswd compund word meaning literally Three-months, not 12-14 weeks but exactly 3 months, that's a trimester.

[@MJHT666]

Gareth Menace could work as a spooky name?

[@Jablicek]

Alice, when women get married we're still often encouraged to change our names - not necessarily because we become possessions, moreso that we share the same name as our kids. Anyway. It was so soul-crushing when I did this by deed poll that I gave myself a ridiculous additional middle name - that I now feel obliged to explain every time someone asks for my full name. It took the edge off the re-naming, but careful what you wish for.

[@jasmijnwellner6226]

Alice Whitney Wolverine Caldwell-Kelly. Just go for it, Alice!

[@Captaindamn85]

Liam is back!

[@jamesshefchik9690]

Please let Alice know that I was informed while getting an MRI the main worry about metal isn't that it will fly out of your body, but that it will begin heating up due to the magnetic fields. Idk I'd that's any better, tbh.

[@DredTather]

You should be fine with a metal cap on your tooth, they're usually non ferrous. I have metal plates in my head and have no problems with MRIs, which I have to have relatively frequently.

[@SadisticSenpai61]

In my admittedly very limited experience, it was a kind of thriller sort of story, but one that had a... somewhat happy ending? Like, usually the murders stopped at some point - either cuz they got caught or because they died or whatever. I've shifted my "thriller story" experiences to caving, cave diving, and mountaineering disasters - cuz those are activities that I will never do and am firmly convinced would kill me if I ever tried. So by listening to the disaster stories, I'm reinforcing those instincts that going into caves, climbing mountains, or worst of all diving in caves is just plain suicidal. So if anyone ever sees me planning to do any of those things, clearly I'm having a suicidal episode and I need to be stopped. Seriously, I don't want to die like that, no matter what kind of suicidal thoughts may have come to visit (again). I see enjoying "thriller stories" like true crime or the disaster stories I enjoy lately as a subset of the horror genre of entertainment. I can't stand actual horror movies or books - I get way too freaked out. But true crime and disaster stories keep that degree of separation that allows me to feel the same sort of emotions without freaking out. But yeah, I got real sick of them stanning cops - esp when the cops literally fucked up within the narrative they're sharing. And then there's the ones that obsess over zodiac signs...