Learn to pronounce Welsh clearly and understandably whether you're in north or south Wales. Tricky Consonants (Series 1 | Video 4) Part of the Welsh Pronunciation Series.
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@ifotagoosonce80085 жыл бұрын
The "LL" is actually quite easy for me, my problem is with the "RH". It really ties my tongue into knots just attempting it. Usually it comes out sounding like a fancy "CH" when I try it.
@welshplus5 жыл бұрын
Well, that's great you find the "ll" easy! Many people struggle with that. If you can pronounce an "r" then "rh" is something you should be able to learn. For "rh", the tongue performs exactly the same action as for "r" but there's no vibration of the vocal chords (you don't use any voice) and in addition there's aspiration (you blow more air through). I would first practise the difference between saying "r" normally and then whispering an "r" (i.e. making an unvoiced "r" sound). When you've got that down, try and add a bit more breath in there by blowing it out the sides of your tongue. That make take some time but once you're able to pronounce "rh" in isolation like that, you can move on to putting it in words. It's probably easier to pronounce it at the start of a word (like "rhan, rhoi, rhy") than in the middle (like "anrheg, anrhydedd") but thankfully it only usually occurs at the start of a word anyway. Hope that helps a little.
@alyanahzoe3 ай бұрын
@@welshplus like, are you serious?
@ashmckinlay14028 жыл бұрын
These phonetics are very difficult but they are exactly what makes Welsh one if the most interesting languages I have ever heard and why I have chosen Welsh as my next language. I love the fact that Welsh has not one but two types of trilled 'r' and that the 'll' sound is so technical and unique! brilliant video, it's the first video on this particular channel that I have came across but it warranted an instant subscription. :)
@welshplus8 жыл бұрын
+Ash Mckinlay Diolch for the kind words! Great to hear you want to learn Welsh. The pronunciation is a bit strange if you've not come across the it before, but the alphabet is pretty regular once you get used to it with a bit of practice. If you're interested, we have a few grammar summaries uploaded on our other channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIvKY4N3m76loZo
@alyanahzoe2 ай бұрын
@@welshplus ha cha cha
@frilly352 жыл бұрын
"LL" is easy to pronounce if you think about pronouncing it like an english "HL". As an American, the "r" is also much easier because we already pronounce the "r" at the end of words like "car, after, weather" etc.
@alyanahzoe2 ай бұрын
me: *watching this video* the world: *explodes*
@rtperrett2 жыл бұрын
Ll is the most beautiful sound in the universe, Welsh is so blessed to have such a beautiful sound. In the Caucasus, the Avar and Adyghe languages have this sound. Many native American languages such as Navajo have this sound, and so do African languages such as Zulu and Xhosa have it.
@sledgehog1 Жыл бұрын
From what I've heard Mongolian as well.
@nadamarena6 ай бұрын
@@sledgehog1 yes for example хотол ᠬᠣᠲᠠᠯᠠ "all" is pronounced as /xɔˈtɔɬ/. If trying to transcribe in Welsh alphabet then it might be "chodoll" (just kidding
@tomjames96743 жыл бұрын
I'm trying to learn Welsh at the moment and found this video really helpful. I'm from the West Midlands so spend a lot of time in Wales but never got round to learning much. The 'RH' sound is causing me the most trouble atm.
@welshplus3 жыл бұрын
That's good to hear. Improving pronunciation helps immensly in so many ways - your comprehensibility, understanding others, spelling etc. _Rh_ is one of the more difficult sounds. It's the combination of saying an _r_ and whispering breathily at the same time that can take some practice to master, so keep at it. You know you've got it right when you sound like a cat purring!
@tomjames96743 жыл бұрын
@@welshplus that purring tip is really helpful! Diolch 👍🏻
@alyanahzoe3 ай бұрын
@@welshplus cat purring? i did not know that!
@samuelbernhardt85345 жыл бұрын
What I recommend is incorporating these hard sounds into your everyday speech. For example, I would say the name of one of my cats as "Ste-hla" (with Welsh ll), and the name of my other cat as "Khester" (with Welsh ch)
@einat16226 жыл бұрын
The ll sound is a doozy :-) (making it alone is easy enough, but using it causally as part of speech is tricky ! )
@icepalmhearthgold3387 жыл бұрын
I really love all your basic practice . Thanks for uploading!!!
@TheWayned3154 жыл бұрын
Always thought I was German Irish and native. Found out recently through testing I'm Welsh, Irish and barely native. So I'm learning and enjoying. Keep presenting the same way. You're helping.
@Pinakamataas4 жыл бұрын
I have come across Welsh on 3 separate and completely unrelated occasions. So I think universe is telling me something.. It is such a beautiful language, but the ll makes me cry and I'm so bad at it. The fact that my first language is purely phonetical makes it easier to some degree (like r), but it is so difficult, and considering I continue finding it everywhere I go, I will have to continue learning it! Thank you for these super comprehensive and amazing videos!
@welshplus4 жыл бұрын
Croeso mawr / You're very welcome. "Ll" is a tough one but it can be done if you make sure you have your tongue in the right place and start slowly. With enough practice, it becomes easier and easier, so keep at it! What is your first language?
@Pinakamataas4 жыл бұрын
@@welshplus my first is Latvian, then 2nd/3rd are English/Russian and I've done some Finnish and German (but nowhere near fluent) hopefully after the first struggles of pronounciation, grammar becomes easier!
@welshplus4 жыл бұрын
@@Pinakamataas That's cool! All the best with your language learning and practice. You know where to come if you need more help with Welsh ☺️
@alyanahzoe2 ай бұрын
@@welshplus no. get out.
@MichaelELambert5 жыл бұрын
The DD is a soft TH with a V sounding twist as in the American English example "Clothes" and the TH Welsh pronunciation is much like the American TH pronunciation as in "Cloth". The American pronunciation of F in "OF" also has a soft V sound, short u "uv", but with the FF sound, short u becomes AH as in OFF when joined with the FF paired. Very interesting language, Northern and Southern Welsh! Thank you for your videos! ❤😁
@welshplus5 жыл бұрын
Croeso / You're welcome! Glad you found them interesting.
@violettachernishova50833 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos!❤🎑🌞🌋🌈
@welshplus3 жыл бұрын
Croeso! / You're welcome!
@alexk79732 жыл бұрын
to be honest, the ch is EXACTLY like the German one, except when it comes after the vowels e, i, or the combinations thereof, that is ei or ie, in which it‘s a lot softer and closer to the welsh ll, though instead of forming an l with the tongue, you form a valley and just push air through. 😅 I‘ve been confused before, as I‘ve read somewhere that the Welsh ch should somehow be soft, and I‘ve been trying to somehow make my German ch sound softer. But apparently I needn‘t have worried 😅
@logangriffith49503 жыл бұрын
my only difficulty so far is "rolling" my r's before dd, th, and ch. i tought myself how to roll my r's so i know how and can do, just it hard before dd, th, and ch
@Nothingisbutwhatisnot_ Жыл бұрын
it sounded similar to Icelandic for some reason especially the double LL and double DD
@welshplus Жыл бұрын
That's right. Both Welsh and Icelandic share those sounds!
@irisrichards70703 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@SiroccoDream8 жыл бұрын
Well, my "LL" is going to need a lot of work, that's for sure. To my ear, the Welsh "R" sounds like a clean, rolled trill, similar to the South American Spanish "R" I learned in high school. With the "RH" sound, I swear it sounds to me as if you're pronouncing a soft English H (as in "happy") followed immediately by a lightly rolled R. Am I hearing that correctly?
@welshplus8 жыл бұрын
+SiroccoDream That's right, you've got a good ear. "R" is a trill, but "R" is an unvoiced trill, so a whispered trill if you like. There's a lot of breath or "h" sound involved, as you say, so almost "h + r".
@welshplus4 жыл бұрын
@Peter Parker Both "r" and "rh" are alveolar - voiced and unvoiced aspirated respectively. The only uvular sound in Welsh is the "ch". If you use an alveolar trill in Welsh you sound a bit like you're speaking Breton!
@jorbharris80972 жыл бұрын
@@welshplus Welsh, Cornish and Breton are closely related.
@MREmusique2 жыл бұрын
for Southpark fans, maybe think of the LL sound as the "Shelly" sound?
@skysurfer57282 жыл бұрын
I already do haha
@jaycee33013 күн бұрын
Or the exact same sound in tlhingan.(Klingon)
@evanrudibaugh87725 жыл бұрын
I looked up the most special word used here and it means 'before.' "What? No, I didn't call you such a thing! I just said before in Welsh (cynt), you silly before."
@tobyw.16883 жыл бұрын
We had the letter "w" in my Welsh Language course, for example in "wel" what means the same as "well" in English
@welshplus3 жыл бұрын
Yep, _w_ in Welsh can represent either a vowel like in _cwm_ and _dŵr_ : kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZObc6OpaMd6bpY or more of a consonant sound like in _wel_ and _wedi_ : kzbin.info/www/bejne/onbVpnqQgbBpmNk
@alyanahzoe2 ай бұрын
@@welshplus 여러분
@dracodistortion94474 жыл бұрын
dd is like đ but th is like þ
@scifigeek147 жыл бұрын
those two "r" sounds are tripping me up.
@welshplus7 жыл бұрын
Keep going :)
@alyanahzoe2 ай бұрын
@@welshplus no. i'm not watching this video again!
@Fan_OfFandomsАй бұрын
Bro stop hating@@alyanahzoe
@alyanahzoeАй бұрын
@@Fan_OfFandoms fine.
@cynhwon4 жыл бұрын
I couldn't get the rh right...my tongue is at war inside my mouth LOL
@alyanahzoe3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@SimonS445 жыл бұрын
I'm a German native: not sure what the difference between the Welsh and German ch sounds is supposed to be? When I say "ach" (German interjection) it sounds just like Welsh "chi".
@welshplus5 жыл бұрын
The standard German "ch" (ach-Laut) is [x] whereas Welsh "ch" is usually [c] i.e. slightly further back in the throat. Having said that, some German words and varieties of German use [χ], the same as Welsh, so your German "ch" might sound just like Welsh "ch", yes!
@user-bx5ff9jt3j5 жыл бұрын
I think "LL" is very similar to German /ç/ as in "durCH"
@welshplus5 жыл бұрын
@@user-bx5ff9jt3j There is some similarity in sound there. For most Welsh speakers "ll" is /ɬ/, where the tip of the tongue touches the alveolar ridge (the hard part at the top of the mouth just above the teeth) and the air flows out of either side of the tongue. For /ç/ the tip of the tongue doesn't touch anything but rather is pulled further back and the air flows over it. Having said that, some native Welsh speakers that can't pronounce /ɬ/ do end up using /ç/ instead.
@alyanahzoe2 ай бұрын
@@welshplus i filmed a video titled "why did i film this? (read description)".
@engorgioarmani33813 жыл бұрын
Is the l still pronounced just a lil bit after saying ll? I tend to slip a lil l after saying ll.
@welshplus3 жыл бұрын
Both _l_ and _ll_ are made with the tongue in the same position in the mouth so they're related sounds. If a voiced sound, like a vowel, comes after a _ll_ it can sound as if you're saying a very short _l_ in between the _ll_ and the vowel as the one sound transitions to the other. At the end of a word however you shouldn't hear any kind of _l_ because no voiced sound follows the _ll_ to create it.
@estrellawakelin8 жыл бұрын
Hiya, are you in Facebook? because I would need to ask things :) amazing video.
@welshplus8 жыл бұрын
Helo Vilandra. We don't have a Facebook page specifically for WelshPlus but we do have a general Welsh for Adults Glamorgan one: facebook.com/welshforadultsglamorgan. You're welcome to ask away here or there!
@TheWayned3154 жыл бұрын
The double "ll" seems more like saying her just with he roll the red. The way you all help is awesome.
@777LoveStory7 жыл бұрын
My double ll's just come out like th's.
@welshplus7 жыл бұрын
Hmm, "th" and "ll" are both made with the tongue in the same place in the mouth. With "th", there's a gap between the tip of your tongue and the top of the mouth (behind the teeth). If you blow hard when saying "th", you can feel the air travel through that gap. With "ll", on the other hand, that gap is closed. Raise the tip of your tongue and press it to the top of the mouth to acheive this. Now, rather than blowing out over the tip of the tongue, the air escapes out of both sides of the tongue. Have a go!
@alyanahzoe3 ай бұрын
@@welshplus no
@AbrahamLure3 жыл бұрын
My father is Welsh and I grew up watching Welsh TV and whilst all the tricky vowels come natural and fluent to me, the rolled Rs don't happen at all! I don't normally use my tongue at all to pronounce R, it's all lip moments. I'm wondering if that's why?
@welshplus3 жыл бұрын
Probably! Rolled _r_ is one of those sounds that children take a while to pick up, so maybe you didn't quite get to that stage when you were young. Other consonants come more easily earlier on but _r_ takes some time. There shouldn't really by any lips involved. It's made with the tip of your tongue against the fleshy ridge you can feel behind/above your teeth. Here on KZbin, there are lots of videos that teach you different techniques to roll your _r_ , so my advice would be to try a few different ones (search for "How to roll r") and see which technique or combination of techniques works for you. Don't use French vidoes - their _r_ is different. Try Italian videos about _r_ or Spanish ones about _rr_ .
@ellislloydjones73734 жыл бұрын
I'd of though ngh would be the hardest 😂
@welshplus4 жыл бұрын
Ha, yes! This video's just revising the consonants in the alphabet. Saying "ngh" comes later on.
@bloodaxe50288 жыл бұрын
Why the "dd" sounds live "w" and the "th" sounds like "f" ?
@welshplus8 жыл бұрын
"Dd" is /ð/ like "th" in English "this". "Th" is /θ/ like "th" in English "thin". They sound different to /w/ and /f/, which are spelt with "w" and "ff" respectively.
@bloodaxe50288 жыл бұрын
Welsh Plus - Learn Welsh Online With Us That's not what I hear. Is this a dialect thing ?
@welshplus8 жыл бұрын
No, it's the same all over Wales. Keep practising your Welsh and you'll start to hear the difference :)
@alyanahzoe2 ай бұрын
@@welshplus oh, s**t! just kidding!
@bobtalbott3364 жыл бұрын
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@alyanahzoe3 ай бұрын
i'm not clicking that!
@alexk79732 жыл бұрын
to be honest, the ch is EXACTLY like the German one, except when it comes after the vowels e, i, or the combinations thereof, that is ei or ie, in which it‘s a lot softer and closer to the welsh ll, though instead of forming an l with the tongue, you form a valley and just push air through. 😅 I‘ve been confused before, as I‘ve read somewhere that the Welsh ch should somehow be soft, and I‘ve been trying to somehow make my German ch sound softer. But apparently I needn‘t have worried 😅
@welshplus2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Welsh _ch_ and the German _ach-Laut_ are very similar, sometimes identical in some German words or dialects, but as you say, never use the German _ich-Laut_ for Welsh _ch_ - it's not a "soft" sound at all!