Why Quantum Physicists Love Schopenhauer

[@WeltgeistYT]

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[@The666Miraculix]

"Your pathetic fear of my writings is the fear of the truth." - Arthur Schopenhauer

[@ownificationify]

I cannot think of a more arrogant thing to say

[@The666Miraculix]

@ownificationify If you don't know or understand the context of this quote (1820 to 1850), then you'd better keep quiet 😉

[@ownificationify]

@@The666Miraculix point me in the right direction because google isn't helping and I cannot begin to comprehend a context in which this quote isn't the most pompous shit I've ever heard my god, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt for you though.😅

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@@The666Miraculix I'll tell you outright I'm generally skeptical of Schopenhauer though.

[@The666Miraculix]

Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910) wrote to his poet friend Afanassi Fet (1820-1892) in a letter dated September 30, 1869, when he was 42 years old: 'Do you know what the past summer was for me? An uninterrupted enthusiasm for Schopenhauer and a series of intellectual pleasures that I had never experienced before. I ordered and read and read all his works (I also read Kant), and probably no student has ever learned and realized so much in his course as I did this summer. I don't know if I will change my mind, but now I am convinced that Schopenhauer is the most brilliant man. The whole external world is formed by us, by our senses. We know nothing and can know nothing about it. [...] [The so-called scholars] are naively convinced that the external world is the real reality, just as the peasants are convinced that the sun and the stars revolve around the earth. Just as the peasants know nothing of what Galileo, Copernicus and Newton have done, or, if they have heard it, do not believe it, so the materialist scholars have heard nothing of it or do not believe it ... - Leo Tolstoy (1896)

[@braahqwekutv3142]

Wow

[@Opposite271]

In Fantasy, engages humanity with, they deny the world as it denied what they thought was their right. Putting themselves on the throne, but only ruling in their mind. Acting like kings, but being just ants in the grand scheme of things. Wanting to create space and time but nothing they say or write will change that they are just beasts made of matter full with fear and pride. Accept it, humanity will never be unified. The wiseman thinks of himself above the mop, I think he should be relocated below their dog. The universe with no center, neither sun nor earth but with motion, the stars revolve relative to this world.

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

Schopenhauer is also the key to depth psychology and arguably more central to Jungian thought than Nietzsche. Schopenhauer is really slept on as a figure in philosophy.

[@aidanhall6679]

The World as Will and Representation was without doubt the most intellectually validating experience of my life. I think I speak on behalf of many when I say that his teachings affirmed many of my deepest metaphysical convictions, not for want of reason did I seek out his work but a desire to understand myself better. It is no understatement to say that his work resonates with a great many thinkers, especially those who identify with idealist thought. I would stick my neck out and say that Schopenhauer was right precisely because he didn’t listen to reason to the exclusion of his other faculties but had a special reverence for intuition, indeed that is after all where his deepest insight necessarily came from.

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[@Kukuro20]

I dont understand that, you may elaborate. Nietzsche was - as far as I was educated - way more important to modern philosophy than Schopenhauer. Schopenhauers work was profound, no arguing that. But it was ultimatley Nietzsche who reinterpreted Schopenhauers work in a existentialistic manner (i.e that not suffering is unberarble, but meaningless suffering) the search for meaning as a means for meaning, the depth of aethetics and the will to power were all a culmination of the intellect that the enlightment cultivated. You can proclaim any success to Schopenhauer, but without Nietzsche, he would be no way as heard of as he is today.

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[@relativemotion2077]

Another point that Schopenhauer was prescient on is his insistence that matter has no static being and is through and through just action. This was reflected in the famous unification of mass and energy which undermined the static view of substance, along with it's technological consequences: nuclear energy and the atom bomb.

[@yosuancolon]

Physics and philosophy go hand in hand

[@deanodog3667]

How ??

[@KerriEverlasting]

If 2 things are exactly alike in all aspects are they not the same thing?

[@deanodog3667]

@@KerriEverlasting like what ??

[@yosuancolon]

@@deanodog3667 Did you watch the video?

[@deanodog3667]

@@yosuancolon not all of it yet , I'm just curious as to how the laws of gravity etc go hand in hand with various philosophies!

[@edgregory1]

Schoppenheuer is just so relatable without being pedantic.

[@MiguelCorreiaDaCunha]

I was out of the loop from this link between Schopenhauer and Quantum Physics. The concept of Unity is amazing. In my layman's terms, we are just a pale mirror of something literally unimaginable. Something I'd never expect for today.

[@ChristianSt97]

Thank you for sharing the thought of Schopenhauer. This is a gift for humanity.

[@arono9304]

See also Bernardo Kastrup's _Decoding Schopenhauer’s Metaphysics: The Key to Understanding How It Solves the Hard Problem of Consciousness and the Paradoxes of Quantum Mechanics_

[@lee-kazz]

Wonderfully articulated, thank you ❤❤❤

[@galeduncan4620]

Finding you for me is like when I found Thomas Sowell last fall. Thank you for sharing. Look forward to all your posts.

[@dallinfullmer3073]

Really important to understand that our understanding of Quantum Mechanics has advanced considerably since Schrodinger, Wigner, Oppenheimer, etc. Since the 70s the rigid mathematical models of entanglement and decoherence have been tested, proven, and applied in fields like quantum computing, and quantum communication. It is information, not consciousness that causes wave functions to APPEAR to collapse to a conscious observer. Participation of the conscious is an obsolete theory.

[@Nuss-j4s]

Okay, but in what sense does information explain anything? How you measure information without an observer to interpret the information transmitted?

[@sasanrahmatian312]

@@Nuss-j4s Excellent point!

[@Moribus_Artibus]

An excellent video, Weltgeist, the metaphysics of Schopenhauer and his influences are a profound and intriguing topic.

[@theletterm5425]

I would personally love a deep dive video on Schrödinger's Mind and Matter!

[@dregga7638]

The way you explain these things in such a simple way shows to me that you actually understand them or at least have thought abiut them.

[@satnamo]

He who experiences the unity of life sees all beings in his own self and his own self in all beings in the universe.

[@relativemotion2077]

Very right about this. As a practicing philosopher of physics, Schopenhauer is the thinker who has had the greatest influence on me.

[@aidanhall6679]

How does one generally become a professional philosopher of science? I’ve heard many practicing philosopher start out in stem, most notably mathematics and physics. Is this true? How did you get to where you are today? Thanks

[@relativemotion2077]

@@aidanhall6679 started out in natural sciences, focussing on physics, then founds a masters in philosophy of physics as I wasn't satisfied with going on to do a physics PhD. I'm now a PhD student in philosophy of physics.

[@dallinfullmer3073]

How the hell do you reconcile entanglement, decoherence, and information with Schopenhauerian idealism? All concrete, proven, and applied mathematical models that don't rely on conscious participation to be true?

[@Maitatron]

@@relativemotion2077 Have you heard about Helena Blavatsky? She is the founder of the Theosophical Society and author of The Secret Doctrine at the end of the 19th century. This magnum opus The Secret Doctrine is intended to be the Synthesis of Science, Religion and Philosophy.

[@relativemotion2077]

@@Maitatron I've heard of Blavatsky but was not under the impression her work would be relevant to what I do. I may have a look out of curiosity some time.

[@richardscott9651]

we swim in a sea of speculative theories about reality - maybe we are looking and perceiving phenomena across a single moment of the now - time present - there is nothing else no before and after - the unity of which Schopenhauer speaks is simply this

[@Air36874]

Synchronicity central - great content as always!

[@roberthak3695]

What a synchronicity! I'm just reading "Synchronicity, through the eyes of science, myth and the trickster" and the first chapter deals with quantum physics...

[@sosaysthelegend]

That book makes use of Bohmian mechanics a number of times. Which definitely seems relevant here.

[@jonathansebo5800]

Your videos are always substantive, insightful and thought-provoking. I download them and listen on walks with my dog, Maggie says hello. Thanks! 👏

[@jmiller1918]

Great talk, you have a gift for this work. I would also like to see an episode on Schrodinger. Thanks as always.

[@alaue]

What a great content, thank you for the video. Will check your channel regularly.

[@Harrow_]

The Schrödinger video idea sounds quite good.

[@alokpratapjha]

it had been a while since you dropped a banger like this!

[@alexxx4434]

We can actully imagine something spaceless and timeless: thestate before Big Bang. And the singularity as Unity.

[@Apollotheguidingstar]

It would be interesting to see you cover Carl Jung, seeing as how he was heavily influenced by Kant, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, and can perhaps be seen as continuing their work.

[@arono9304]

Not just a letter exchange with Carl Jung, Pauli was his patient!

[@AnimusDecolor]

A “Mind and Matter” video would be greatly appreciated.

[@la8076]

Another video that proves your channel to be a goldmine

[@LuisJimenez-yr9ci]

Good video. Could you make a video about Beethoven and philosophers? Please I'd like to see the relationship between him and Nietzsche, for example. Beethoven is loved for many intellectuals and I hope to see his influence kn philosophers or scientists. ❤

[@bernardliu8526]

A very illuminating exposition of Schopenhauer’s signal ideas. I have always felt that Schopenhauer is one of the astute thinkers, and deserves to be carefully studied at universities.

[@Primitarian]

Re 19:47--It is interesting that Schopenhauer likened the spectrum of colors to the world or representation and the light entering the prism to be the underlying "reality" of the Will (or the Noumenon, for Kant). The seems to be the reverse of the view of science since Newton (up to possibly Quantum Mechanics), i.e., whiteness is just the casual appearance of light, whereas the prism reveals whiteness to be an ensemble of the spectral colors, which are the actual colors.

[@LolliPop2000]

Excellent video, I'll recommend to others. Using the spectrum of light as a metaphor is a bit ironic, as Schopenhauer despised Newton's theory of light, preferring his and Goethe's. More on the quantum connections in Bernardo Kastrup's Decoding Schopenhauer's Metaphysics. (There's also more on Pauli in his Decoding Jung's Metaphysics).

[@bernardofitzpatrick5403]

Loved this video ! Thanks .

[@AlwaysGrowAndLearn]

Multiplicity is the case of there being multiple Michael Keatons in the world

[@josemanuelmartinezgarcia5764]

Extraordinary work, amazing channel

[@tygertyger8597]

Great video. Yes, please do one on Schroedinger"s book.

[@ivarschultz504]

really an amazing video! After reading the 4th chapter of Will and Representatiom I thought it sounded very ”einstein”, later I found out that Einstein was a Schopenhauer fan 😂

[@andresdubon2608]

I'm a second year physics student, it would be great to get your take on schrödinger's book. I read "what's life" from him and found it quite enlightening.

[@jamesraymond1158]

spending time on questions that can't be answered does not seem like a worthwhile pursuit.

[@stoll7017]

welltgeist, since you spoke about quantum physics, what about making some videos on Mainlander. he certantly fits the style of topics of this chanel and he is directly related to schopenhauer. his idea of the will and the suicede of god kinda remind of entropy and the chaos theory and is also very interesting. it would be wonderful to see

[@milodemoray]

That sounds like a great idea regarding Schrodinger.

[@jasonmitchell5219]

'The common man marvels at the uncommon, the wise man at the commonplace.' Ultimately, most of philosophy/metaphysics or ontology boils down to problem of the One and the Many. Schopenhauer= Plato + Kant ( and the Upanishads). Good vid and I try to encourage such content with a like and a comment (any) for the YT algo'. We need more young folk to embrace und promulgate our rich philosophical heritage.

[@neilr5208]

Observation in QM has nothing to do with consciousness or perception. When we "observe" the position of an electron before it reaches the two slits, the observation refers to the beam of photons forcing the electrons' wave function to collapse. It has nothing to do with a conscious human or animal looking at an electron.

[@translash]

super trippy

[@Endymion766]

great vid! thanks!

[@michaeldillon3113]

As a spiritual questor who found my satisfaction in Advaita Vedanta when I studied some quantum physics as part of my undergraduate science degree I was amazed to read that Neil's Bohr demonstrated that the perceiver and perceived arise together . That was about 35 years ago . This was pure Advaita . Since then I have followed developments in quantum physics which culminated in the 2022 Nobel prize for physics for the demonstration that there was no such thing as local Reality . Indian physicists with a background in Vedanta were thrilled by this ' Oh so science has caught up with our ancient philosophy at last ' .🙂. I sometimes watch the Atheist Experience on KZbin and amazed how far behind the curve the Atheist community are . I think the case for Idealism has already been made and Bernardo Kastrup is particularly eloquent about this . Of course there are physicalists who can't handle recent developments in quantum physics - they even challenged the award of the 2022 Nobel Prize for Physics . E=🕉️

[@MarcoSilesio]

few talk about this, its significant link.

[@Salewskie]

A video about mind and matter by Schrödinger would be great

[@rudyberkvens-be]

This video made me subscribe. And please yes, make this video on heisenbergs mind and matter.

[@WeltgeistYT]

Welcome

[@Johnny-gc1er]

I would be highly interested to see some Schrödinger and Schopenhauer related contend!

[@animefurry3508]

I think Alain Badiou is one the most important contemporary philosophers in these subjects.

[@lebenstraum666]

What separates one thing from another is space and time, but these two are objective, not merely SUBJECTIVE as Schopenhauer claims.

[@LionHeartPreparation]

Kants view of space and time as mere tools of perception reminds me of the Hindu idea of maya which is described to mean the physical world but also to mean illusion

[@eggman7527]

Love Schopenhauer!

[@daerudito]

Schrodinger is also worth exploring.

[@jonaFUN999]

I’m not sure he’s called Mikhaïl Faraday lmao. Good vid btw!

[@honkhonk8009]

Schopenhauer is the modern day Diogenes if you think abt it.

[@Sic-Semper-Tyranniss]

Great video

[@sandraboseindiagestao]

Excellent video!

[@WeltgeistYT]

Glad you liked it!

[@wanidouse]

Perception of reality does not influence it. Wave-particles are always decoherent probability densities with discreet, uncertain interactions. These interactions affect the probability density of the wave particle, but they are tied fundamentally to interaction between particles and NOT human observation. It is an easy mistake to make, but to sum very quickly: "measurement requires interaction which therefore changes particle state" VS "change in particle state requires interaction with does NOT require measurement". These two things are not the same. There is nothing magical about human observation affecting the way the universe works, so far as we have discovered.

[@anywallsocket]

It’s important to note however that Eastern thought has yet to truly influence the West, as they never had a duality of mind and body; their oneness was not simply external but whole and total. Nevertheless you can find lots of parallels between Eastern thought and quantum physics - I recommend reading The Tao of Physics by Fritjof Capra.

[@IFYOUWANTITGOGETIT]

I noticed that you kept showing a picture of Claude Shannon which I think I have an idea of why but can you make a video? ❤😁😎😉

[@Kriegter]

I see it more being applicable to relativity

[@geoffreywilson6024]

If there's one thing that really pisses me off it's background music when I'm trying to listen.

[@billyranger2627]

Very good. More

[@thejackanapes5866]

Excellent, brilliant thank you There is only one major problem with part of this, but it's easy to understand how we get it wrong. There is no drive to procreate. Most life cannot even conceive of what it is doing in the metacognitive and linguistic sense. ALL of evolution is driven by the aversion to noxious stimuli mediated by negative valences of consciousness. Sex urges are relieved - that drives procreation. It might seem like a semantic distinction that makes no difference, but it's extremely important to understand this if we want to solve the root problem of the sentient predicament. I'm convinced, for example, David Pearce and others are probably right in that the measurement problem in QM and the phenomenal binding problem in philosophy of mind and neuroscience are the same issue, or at least different versions of the same root problem, and that quantum darwinism is basically true. The "representation" Schopenhauer talks about is essentially fitness-enhancing configurations of a qualitative primitive. Loved it though, thank you

[@Earthad23]

The question of all questions is, who is asking these questions?

[@platonios4666]

But wouldn't empty space at least look like a black void? For black is the absence of light, thus a space emty of everything, including light, would be black, wouldn't it?

[@kdub9812]

definitely do a video on mind and matter

[@lipingrahman6648]

With Kant you get the notion that philosophers just tend to make up meaningless mysteries for their own sake. Especially since nothing men like Kant said have ever had any meaningful impact on the progress of knowledge.

[@Anekantavad]

Schopenhauer introduced *life-denying* Eastern philosophy to the West. Most Eastern philosophy is life-negating or life-denying. Most. Not all. Tantra does *not* seek "liberation" or "release" or "moksha" or whatever. It does *not* share the pessimism of most of Eastern philosophy. Tantra (which is more 'Nietzsche' than 'Schopenhauer') is aimed at allowing its aspirants to become as fully *human* as possible, and to embrace *all* of life, without exception. I am astounded at how few people have made this connection. Schopenhauer/Buddhism: Nirvana Nietzsche/Tantra: Ride The Tiger IMO 🙂

[@majidbineshgar7156]

Regarding Schopenhauer most people even during his own time , have tended to focus on his Ethical / Socio Psychological writings ( Parerga und Paralipomena ) but overlooked his deep epistemology/ ontological writings in his main Book ( Die Welt als Wille und Vorstellung ) whose scientific approach can be rather interesting for an exact science researcher .

[@robertabrahamsen9076]

All they usually seem to know about Schopenhauer, if anything, is his views on women.

[@majidbineshgar7156]

@@robertabrahamsen9076 Yes that is true.

[@_lonelywolf]

The notion of unity or oneness necessarily implies that it must have some sort of boundaries, even if such boundaries are to be considered infinite, hence inconceivable. However, the notion of a boundary should in turn imply a separation between what a thing is and what it is not. In other words, it would be impossible to define a thing without implying an ontological distinction between what that thing is and what it is not. Moreover, if unity should refer to the notion of totality or everything, it would still imply that it cannot be nothing. Therefore, unity must imply non-unity, or multiplicity in other words, because for the notion of unity to be conceived in the first place, there must be at least an ontological distinction between that which conceives and that which is conceived. Consequently, there must exist an interdependence between mind and notion, resulting in a lack of inherent essence of any of the two: Both mind and notion (such as unity and multiplicity) rely on each other for their essences. Therefore, the closest definition of reality is that of a dream in which the very notions of "dreamer", "dreaming" and "dream" also belong to the same dream.

[@annaturquoise7114]

i mean its coherent w our line of scientific reasoning even in so far as to the latest interpretations of black holes - where at the bridge between our World and Nothingness reality is but a tapestry of non-local causalities, stretched eternally and eternally interwoven by quantum entanglement at the largest of distances

[@annaturquoise7114]

The Well spoke about this w the information loss paradox

[@honkhonk8009]

bro loes using big words

[@annaturquoise7114]

please do a video on Schroedinger's work

[@db_cio]

Amazing.

[@lorenzotomescu5123]

Doesn’t Plato’s Socrates argue this about divinity? In book 2 or 3 of The Republic?

[@mindyourself7063]

I have difficulty listening with the initial background track

[@tresjordan982]

That’s my boy Artie❤❤ when he started reading the Upanishads et al his mind was blown….all the spiritual state of metaphysics it talked of is what he’d repressed as Will. It’s unfair to label him a pessimist ….his solution for the absurdity of being was , just like the Asians…..just let go of the illusion !

[@svenicarus4872]

The Eastern Renaissance which you said never came to be actually came to happen in the 1960’s and led to New Age beliefs along with cultural appropriation of Indian values. Your opinion may differ.

[@StarfireIgns]

Just found this channel...truly amazing and absolute genius..keep up the good work 👏

[@hope_pead]

I guess I have Schopenhauer to blame for all Indian uncles claiming that the Germans are fervent students of the Vedas and Vedantic philosophy, using that as a cringe appeal to authority as if the Vedas need any justification from the world of men. Joke aside, I'm grateful to Schopenhauer for not only popularizing the Vedas, the Upanishads and Bhagwat Gita to the world, but also giving me a westerner's perspective. To me these texts aren't just philosophical; they're literally words of God and I hold them in reverence. But it's interesting to see how someone approaches them without this bias and engages with the text purely on it's merit.

[@buddhabillybob]

Maybe your best video!

[@shafikmestry3728]

Mind and Matter. I want a video on it.

[@roberthak3695]

I think you should make a video on panpsychism next...

[@Robinson8491]

If time doesn't really exist in the phenomenal world out there for various reasons, in the manifest world we experience, then how can it be a representation of an external unity? Only space can then be fundamental in that unity, and is in such way not different from Parmenides

[@JoaoLucas________]

Um episódio sobre Phillip Mainländer torna-se cada vez mais necessário

[@kevinbeck8836]

Hail Physics! Long live Physics!

[@carpintero102]

Is oxygen or any other natural element (gaseous) considered matter?

[@kostasv6980]

It is a shame that Schopenhauer didn't get to learn about evolution. I wonder if Darwin was aware of him.

[@WeltgeistYT]

Yes, Darwin quoted Schopenhauer in The Descent of Man

[@kostasv6980]

​@WeltgeistYT It has always seemed to me that Schopenhauer's Will has a connection with evolution. I feel that most people don't talk about this supposed connection. But then again, I may misinterpret Schopenhauer's work.

[@robertabrahamsen9076]

Why does the existence of space depend on human cognition, in particular? Do other animals not experience space? It seems to me they must. They might not abstract it as a concept, but they intuit it, and act as though it was real.

[@robertabrahamsen9076]

@@Jav-in-G-likedandsubbed Why do you think other animals don't know they exist?

[@randomdude8327]

​@@robertabrahamsen9076 they don't have Existential crisis

[@robertabrahamsen9076]

@@randomdude8327 How do you know they don't?

[@randomdude8327]

@@robertabrahamsen9076 they don't think otherwise there will be no difference between humans and animals

[@robertabrahamsen9076]

@@randomdude8327 Humans are animals.

[@slicktires2011]

Didnt Pauli actually coautored a book on synchronicity with Jung?

[@calvingrondahl1011]

Maybe AI will become the One. Science is honest or it is not honest. AI will remember us.

[@vividist]

Can you make a video on Wittgenstein?

[@Roducius]

Erwin video please!!!!

[@toni6194]

I dont like the music in the background its hard enough as it is to concentrate on what you are saying

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