Wenduag Romance | Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous

[@darko1295]

I know she's a baddie and all, but Wenduag activated all of my 'I can fix her' instincts.

[@tw_judy]

wasnt expecting to find another DOOM fan on a pathfinder video with 20k views

[@billybigstones6134]

Are you workingn in a rehab center?

[@sallyhazy]

she activated my 'I can make her worst' instincts lol

[@Draven-s8b]

It's a curse that unfortunately some of us must bear 😄

[@Draven-s8b]

@@sallyhazy Especially for those of us who like to play a cunning batty from time to time 😈

[@lexfrenchy8159]

Did you know? Wenduag is voiced by Amelia Tyler, who played Nyrissa in Kingmaker.

[@luiousy7329]

Her romance is also as hard as Nyrissa 🤡

[@peterpoulsen1210]

No way! 😯

[@SavageDragon999]

I think she's also the voice of Malady in Divinity OS 2 and narrator of Baldur's gate 3 lmao. World is small.

[@altfsdownfailstack7280]

god this woman's voice is wonderful, i've been in love since neryssa

[@DontKnow-hr5my]

Her romance is really wholesome considering how she is

[@ethosterros9430]

Dude it is disgustingly wholesome. I was not ready for this lmao. It's nice to know some good writing still exists in rpg gaming. I didnt like how all the romances seemed to be you playing captain save a ho but wenduags is refreshingly wholesome.

[@samithonjames370]

@@ethosterros9430 *Captain save a ho* Literally none of the romances in this game are like that, they either end tragically or have some other random BS that either ends in tragedy or the two parties growing distant but rekindling or whatever.

[@ethosterros9430]

@@samithonjames370 it's an expression

[@Blackemperess]

@@ethosterros9430 _"Captain save a ho.'_ Now there is an expression I will remember for the future.

[@ethosterros9430]

@@Blackemperess it's an old one

[@Insygoblin]

Lann: calls Wenduag a traitor and monster My CN trickster halfling bard: step away from my waifu!

[@kotlosebrunst9874]

Meanwhile the Pathfinder subreddit seems to hate Wendy, because simping for evil spider kitty = bad, while simping for the embodiment of the term simp = chad... I don't get these guys

[@eliajshdjddj]

??!​@@kotlosebrunst9874

[@Theeight8b]

Why, oh why, no one talk about how good Pathfinder VA actually is? You can SEE her emotions through voice only, damn it!

[@Lotus-by1lg]

i absolutely love how the romance with her goes from 0 to 100 really fucking quick

[@thisisaname5589]

Dating crazy people in a nutshell. It's why people are always told: never go for the crazies.

[@Blox117]

@@thisisaname5589 thats just called being a woman

[@thisisaname5589]

@@Blox117 to differing degrees, true

[@kingskelett6265]

Romancing her as a good character (for example an Aasimar Paladin who went Angel Path, yes I know, very on the nose ^^) is kinda weird, considering that you have to let her get away with murder a couple of times. *However* I also think that would be an interesting story. Imagine someone who tries to uphold good and law, yet they are hard pressed to do so when the one they love does bad things and one thing has to be chosen. Either you potentially destroy what you have but adher to what should be, or you choose love and hope that you can make her better, but with the weight of your selfish decision looming over you.

[@thousandyoung]

She changed my mind about Spider Kitties.

[@drazarkabalblade9486]

It is a quite lovely romance, to be honest! Thank you for sharing it in the video, I cannot bring myself to ditch Lann anyway so I would have never seen this otherwise PX

[@tatianadavenport8100]

Same. I just can't make him out to be a liar in front of his entire tribe. And then when the thing happens with Dyra in Act 4.... At least, my canon PC comes to the conclusion that she's too far gone to help at that point. But then, she sees her not-much-younger self in Wenduag.

[@DavZeugme]

And all you had to do was to betray the dying wish of Dyra, the gentle mongrel trader, you monster.

[@robikz]

Holy shit, I just had that scene after Savamalekh fight and I think it was the tipping point that finally dethroned Planescape Torment as the no. 1 RPG of all time for me.

[@tzimiable]

Thats a tall order and I'm unsure if anything ever will. What can change the nature of a man...? Goddamn that game. But yeah. Wotr is easily one of the best rpgs of my life. Standing shoulder to shoulder with BG2 and Planescape, and THAT is no easy feat.

[@EmpusaBagiri]

YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR YOUR INSOLENCE, SILLY LITTLE CAT!!

[@taramaforhaikido7272]

Wenduag is one of the best compaions in any game for me. She's just so... real. No sudden changes on the spot. Makes mistakes but strives to learn from them. Knows better then to deal with sympathy, wallowing or moral high grounds. When I look at Wenduag I don't see a "freak". I see someone that is better then the average person that gets consumed with fear and pushes away. I would even say the later is far worse then any confrontational dark act. People that look down on others just for existing, they create and make the monsters. Like, say, Darth Vader. Jedi had a "right/should" attitude. Anakin didn't feel like he had a place. etc. Wenduag's story is pretty similar to that. She lost her tribe, she killed her own farther (not knowing during the fight). She broke, she was sent over the edge. Went through hate, pain, suffering. Perhaps apathy too. The reason Wenduag knows how to be strong is because she's been weak. If you've never been weak then you've never been strong. Wendaug's farther was a good addition. Which further gets combined with how Sul shows concern for Wenduag (and vice versa). Which further leads to Wenduag confiding in the player. She puts on a show of being strong but knows when she needs to turn to others after admitting she's been a bitch. The repsonsability makes her even more likeable because she knows full well what she does and states as such. They really wanted to go all out with the character here. I knew she was going to be an interesting companion but I didn't think she'd have this much detail. There's also other more subtle things I pick up on others might miss. Like how she understands it's important to face and confront pain and fear and not avoid it (she wants to feel. The worst as well as the best. It's made clear in chapter 4). Simply put, avoidence of conflict breeds more conflict. Same is said for pain. Escapism is the path of self destruction (what's more, that of others). There's no control there. If you try to "avoid" it then it will circle back and linger. Instead Wenduag faces it at the source as soon as she can. Wenduag makes it about "power". Is under the imperssion no one else can understand unless someone suffers "exactly" like her. Thing is people have done so. And it didn't need a stinger. hate, fear, pain, apathy. The only thing that could have made this even better was having conversations like that. Of how "love" is so often spoke of carelessly with sunshine and rainbows when in reality it's got a darker side. Honor too can have its uses under the right conditions (kingdom come delivance states a good case about it at the end). It's also not about what people "deserve" or "earn". At the same time she's ingonrant about kindness so it makes sense she'd think along those lines. In truth Wenduag acts out of fear. A fear of being weak. A fear of not being understood. A fear of not being useful or of failing to protect what's important to her. She turns it into anger and uses it as fuel to drive her. beats wallowing. "Strength" is not a stinger, or an item, or a magic sword. It does not come from others, unless others are an inspiration for you. One does have to break and be weak to know strength. Wenduag knows that much. What she doesn't seem to understand is that others can already understand the situation she's in. Without the sympathy. One could say she's found it at the end and is learning to adjust. I'm also glad they didn't "goody two shoes" her. Or just make her "evil just because". There is an appeal to the darker side of things. And what people see as "good" or "nice" can cause so much harm, damage danger and destruction (people aren't as "nice" as they pretend to be). Overall, out lash killings aside (which is mainly because of people judging her as "wrong to exist"), Wenduag is pretty well rounded. Furthermore she knows to explain a situation clearly regardless of how she feels about the other person. This is more clear when she faces Lann (both times). Why is this important? Simple really. Awareness factor. Both eyes open. She might be a liar, but at the same time she's one of the most honest people there is when it's clear the situation is that important (explaining things to Lann when meeting him again is a great touch). Awareness leads to honesty. Honesty leads to trust. Cut out the judgement and sympathy and you'll go further with her. She'll gut you if you dare to cross her. But she'll warm up to you if you show you have a brain even if she degrades you and hates your guts. She didn't really want to kill Lann (regardless of wherever she does or doesn't). The struggle and inner conflict makes her seem more relatable. This is where a compainon like Camilla drops the ball. Who can not be talked out of murder no matter what you do. Wenduag is more "grey" while Camilla is simply "black and white". The lack of interactions with Camilla on a whole also don't help. We see much more of Wenduag. So the difference between the characters and which got more attention to detail is pretty clear. I was actually hoping Arueshalae would be the depraved compaion that struggles with the middle ground. Since she was too... "nice" she just comes across as naive (and this is coming from somoene that went with the desna mythic). Wenduag on the other hand SHOWS she struggles instead of just saying it. She's never once shown that she's a coward that flees from her problems (showing how "strong" she is even if she struggles. Basically Wenduag will always face her fears/you). She also states "What. Where. Why." Presents good, solid valid reasons for what she does. While also displaying that she can question herself when she's not certain. Wenduag is also concerned about "fitting in", but I learned not to think along such foolish lines. Even humans see other humans as "freaks". Better to focus on individuals. Generalizing leads to assumptions. Wenduag seems to understand this, even early on. She also caught on with Ember right away, showing how observent she is. People that know pain and how to overcome it understand. Keep in mind Ember isn't as stupid or naive as she might appear to be. Seriously, Ember gains the favor and protection of Nocturnal. Both are seen as freaks but for different reasons. People tend to fear what they don't understand. This is important to take note of because the two characters are designed intended and meant to be misunderstood. Underestimate them, assume, insult and compare to others (like "children" or "freaks") and you'll look like an idiot when you finally understand them. Both have brains. Both know what they're doing. Neither is an idiot. One makes it more clear then the other however. I find both Wenduag and Ember interesting, but I'm not sure if Ember understands "wanting" pain like Wenduag does. If Ember does understand that then she doesn't show it. But then she rarely "proves" herself or feels the need too (misunderstanding her doesn't mean you're right about her). What's clear enough however is that Wenduag knows there's more to Ember then meets the eye right away. I paied attention to that. Despite priviously stabbing me in the back I knew to trust Wenduag's judgement on the matter. If Wenduag is concerned after events facing demons then that's to be taken note of. Looking death in the eye is likely what drew her attention. Showing how brave Ember is. Would have been nice to have had more going on between them then a few comments when camping. Which are good moments. Unfortunately Wenduag doesn't say much in Ember's quest lines. Still, if Ember can have the stones to challenge Nocturnal herself and gain them as a protector (even if breifly for a compaion quest) then it proves Wenduag is correct in her observation. As impressive as Ember's feats are at times Wenduag is the one that notices when others fail too. In short she's pretty damn observant. What these two characters have in common is that they state the "obvious". They say what they think. Both understand it can be overlooked quite easily (and too often is even in real life). Both are very different people and yet also have much in common. Neither are cowards or back turners. Both make it about "acceptance" and won't push away. for that would be weakness. This brings me to Arueshalae who only tried to "forget" her past, which is why it caught up with her (I honestly find her "good" approch... flawed. Not enough struggling/conflict/both sides of the coin instead of just one). The companions in this game contrast each other pretty well for the most part. Each has their own flaws and concerns to be addressed. Arueshalae changed too quickly and there was no "the darker side has a point at times" or "The light can be dangious and why". We don't get those conversations with her. We do with Wenduag. In short, Wenduag is someone that can challenge the player with the player challenging back. We get to "excahnge" viewpoints and it makes more sense with Wenduag when we find the middle ground. The reasons are made clear. That's why I don't much care for Arueshalae. Because we're basically going "I agree unless I'm uncaring". That is too black and white. Wenduag on the other hand makes the player work for it. You actually have to think, consider and try to understand her. More then any other companion. This is why it feels more rewading with her. I can't compare her to Lann because I don't pick Lann (nor am I far enough in act 5 to have both yet. Having to restart actually). They see something in each other though. it's like they're "mirrors" that refect each other. At least that's what I gather from the confrontations between them. Both of them can see the other has a point when challenged as well. Both by the player and with each other. This is RPG dialogue at it's best. They also got the voice acting done well in those key moments too. Things like this is what makes up for the games flaws. Still hate the timed quests in the "army" phases though.

[@intelotaku9651]

Bro wrote a 7 page essay on one character, amazing...

[@eliajshdjddj]

"better then the average person" an actual murderer

[@АлевтинВикторианский]

was very interesting to read, thank you! I didn't play with Wenduag because my thought of train was like "I'm leading the crusade and can't afford someone who ate flesh and stuff like that be around me in high hierarchy of crusaders army" (Regill-like thoughts). Because you can think of redeeming someone only if you are in such great power, that that someone can't harm you. But when the crusade is at stake? (roleplaying view of things). When there are millions (?) of ppl relying on you to end the demonic plague you can't chase the redemption of one demon-worshiping-spider-girl. So she needs to be dismissed for the crusade's cause. I agree that Aru is hollow. Nenio is hollow in her way too. Even Regill usually has only one color (grey from bleaching! hahahaha). Every companion is made somewhat extreme in traits. You just pick the traits you like... Also it's fun that sometimes Camellia reasoning Ember is 100% correct.

[@kirbothestabo]

Came back just to listen to Amelia Tyler’s voice, god she’s such a great VA

[@MrGnarlybirdman]

Holy shit this is actually the best romance

[@obliatorstar330]

Hi, sorry if I comment late. To make the romance of Wenduag, you need just the one shown in the video or you necessarily need to have: In act 3 1) forced her to kneel before you in front of all the mongrelman 2) discovering the truth about Dyra's death In act 4 Having spied on her conversation with Savamelekh and having made her understand with the dialogues that she shouldn't betray me

[@MorticianChronicles]

(ffff…uck… why did i just read this now?…) But really thank you 🙏

[@riches3581]

truly wholesome and you become a king....I hope commander meets the baron one day.

[@Redwalker3]

Probably just not that

[@susaac9755]

The "good" evil romance. In all honesty this is pretty good if you want to play an evil char but don't want a literal psycho around you. Edit: also it's as wholesome as it gets from someone as selfish as her. I honestly finc it pretty ok.

[@susaac9755]

@@adriaan4808 beats me chief. People tend to bitch about having the clasic good girl romance (you know the one, the kind, pretty, innocent), and the devs probably wanted to avoid that. At least arue redeems herself, and wenduag actually turns true neutral at the end of the romance. Other than that, i dunno. In the background you can kinda see what they went for eith the romances (4 male, 4 female, of which 2 are non-companions, 3 good (sosiel, arue, the queen, 2 neutral (wenduag at the end, lann) and 3 evil (camelia, nocticula and daeran). Maybe trying to balance things and make something from everyone took away from the freedom of a unique personality. That's my opinion thus far. Edit: i know some people wanted ember as an option but... Umm, she seems kinda childish to me, and she has issues, so i dunno. Romance in games ain't my cup of tea. I go for what i like, and in this case it's eother wenduag or arue, with more of a preference for wenduag.

[@nolanstrife7350]

You know, I'm genuinely surprised her alignment doesn't shift like Regongar's does I mean, she went all the way from "I'll kill and betray and cannibalise to survive" to "I can't imagine my life without you and will follow you to the Pharasma herself if needed". That's a massive change. If we assume she was 100% sincere when Commander was dying and after that she's just embarrassed... I bet her love just may have become unconditional. Shit, she even promises to at least give kindness a try! That, and her discovering love is hilariously deep. I mean she pretty much repeats Arueshalae's transformation, but less in a metaphysical and more in a psychological way. Holy crap, I'm intrigued

[@susaac9755]

@@nolanstrife7350 well, her alingment does shift from NE to TN, but her years of crimes and abuse probably weigh down on her soul too much for any god to consider her "repented". So, in that regard, by the end of the game she's about in the same spot where we found Arue at the start of the game. I like the romances in this game, even if you expected them to be insane or superficial they still managed to be sweet and profound. That's good writing imo.

[@nolanstrife7350]

@@susaac9755 oh, so her alignment DOES shift! Don't know why I automatically assumed it doesnt, lol That's actually good to hear. While I understand alignment in TTRPG bears a tangible functional purpose (like spells and abilities targeting specific alignments), I really don't like static alignments. That's why I was outright shocked to see Regongar's alignment shifted from CE to NE. An actual personal growth with a lot of mechanical implications! About Wenduag, well... It's true she doesn't seem to repent for anything she has done, this shift right here is massive

[@susaac9755]

@@nolanstrife7350 i personaly dislike the alignment system jn most games (including this and d&d), not because it makes no sense, but because i kind feel obligated to not play an evil char for some reason. Mechanically it makes sense, but the chaotic/lawful spectrum could really use some nuance imo, as in this particular game it boils down to rebel/librarian. But i digress, game's good. Also Arue's alignment changes as well, from CN to CG. And i think it happens to others too based on your decisions.

[@horiaconstantinescuconstan6547]

Nice romance videos. Can you also do one for the secret demon romance?

[@Deckboxxes]

Secret demon romance?

[@horiaconstantinescuconstan6547]

@@Deckboxxes if you choose to go the demon mythic path you can romance the succubus demon lord in act 4

[@Deckboxxes]

Oh. Wait that's an actual romance path? I thought it would be more of a fling than a romance.

[@horiaconstantinescuconstan6547]

@@Deckboxxes well yeah it is more of a hook-up than a "romance" but then again you are playing a demon so you don\t really get much out of being in a romance with another demon but hey I haven't seen any video cover that part and neither do I want to do a full evil playthough all the way up to act 4 (currently on angel and done the azata)

[@perchetuvali243]

This is so weird, I did practically everything to the letter, and at the "I love you part" she answered with - "Oh, I don't need to tell these words back, they're so embarassing", but still offered the poison and the rest of the dialogue was the same. Are there also notable changes to the "Let's fool together" part with the true romance? The sex seemed to have stayed the same for me.

[@MasterRaven0707]

She is so beautiful.

[@Gabriel-qh4yx]

I'm so so so pissed because I couldn't talk to her at Threshold because I was a gold dragon and revived Terendelev who JUST SO HAPPENS to stand right where Wendy is. And she's too big for me to talk to her. I'm going insane.

[@NoName-sx7dj]

Wenduag best gurl

[@ethosterros9430]

Hard agree. Do you know if she can be romanced by good characters or is her romance plot gated under some conditions other than flavor text?

[@gachilhan]

Definitely, considering her opponents tho, it's wasn't even a fight.

[@ethosterros9430]

@@gachilhan for real man

[@grzegorzflorek5623]

@@ethosterros9430 From what I've heard, as Chaotic Good, you can, but it's a bit tricky...

[@comicstrider4851]

WHY IS THE MURDER SPIDER A TSUNDERE

[@chrisnichols9014]

Wenduag is a nymphomaniac, I swear. XD

[@taramaforhaikido7272]

She knows how to have a good time. She dies acceptence and intimacy even if she fears it. That's a good thing. She's not afraid to get close provided you're not an idiot. Maybe even if you are one, provided you don't cross her.

[@kojbo]

04:04 oh look, the same dialogue like Morrigan in DA:O

[@kevinjohn3247]

playing on june 2022, the option changes on min 15:00 Instead, I have the following options: 1.Where did you go? 2.I dont doubt your loyalty. But Alushinyrra is full of temptations - there are plenty of people who 3.would reward you betraying me. But do you know why I dont worry? 4.[attack] I know you met with Savamelekh! 5.(Evil) Next time ill take a finger for every day that youre unaccounted for. Got it? 6.We all need to have fun sometimes. Lets just forget this and move on. option 1 just has her go into a more detailed lie about her bender and then returns to the other options, option 2 has her asking you nervously why and then gives a new menu: 1.(Lawfull) Because you know that if you betray me, I will make you pay for it in blood 2.(chaotic) Because I know that, when it comes down to it, people only care about themselves. im prepared for any of my companions to betray me. 3.(Evil) No matter whos been trying to turn you against me, betraying them instaed of me will benefit you much more 4.if you dont know, im not going to tell you. credit (reddit user): high-tect-potato

[@kevinjohn3247]

3.(Evil) No matter whos been trying to turn you against me, betraying them instead of me will benefit you much more this will give you respect point according to the reddit post

[@icedardee5338]

I had a few more voicelines during the poisoning scene wonder if they added those in

[@YM-pe2ul]

i goofed up. The bar scene never happened for me. Now I have to search for an old save. Might have lost 20 gaming hours with that

[@Fr0st1989]

14:18 that dialogue option has been removed from the game

[@luiousy7329]

Oh look, she founded the pathfinder version of the Githyanki

[@artturisiikanen3843]

I NEED TO KNOW HER ROMANCE ASCENSION!

[@user-mu8ok5xf8d]

Does this do the path where you change her aliment or the one where she stays the same aliment

[@kingthe13]

Damn my fortitude sucks even with all the bonuses I used

[@C4Hertz]

Huh, how come she didn't wanna talk when I went to neatholme with her?

[@endrekiss3007]

How can you start it? I don't have the dialog option..

[@Zyllo5164]

"Poison yourself so I can feel closer to you." No thanks I think I'll do someone else's romance.

[@DGDDice]

and there's my norgorber worshipping alchemist being like: "where do I sign up!" 🤣

[@CatroiOz]

You get an insanely strong permanent buff

[@ZHBraden13]

Since I generally play Neutral/Lawful Good characters, I always end up having to kill her. :(

[@ethosterros9430]

Is chaotic good viable?

[@CorruptedSoul12]

@@ethosterros9430 I've been playing Chaotic Good and its super viable, again the whole thing with chaotic is that your unpredictable but still good at heart. That fits pretty well with Wenduag's whole character since she's trying to be better than what her situation gave her. Having her Commander provide her with that opportunity is pretty nice.

[@ethosterros9430]

@@CorruptedSoul12 feel like they went too single minded with the romance paths in this game. Redeem a succubus, fall in love with a psychopath, redeem a wenduag. It's so 80s imo like it's the same as the Victoria aerie jaheira from bg2 where u have to nice guy your way onto their panties. I was disappointed they didnt write anything in with the paladin girl or any of the stronger characters. Amiri from kingmaker woulda been great. It's just a boring and tired formula at this point. Wenduag adds a nice spin like shes actually a well written strong female character. I'm like wheres the orc girls at lol. Or at least not making the mc have to be pathologically self sacrificial. The drinking the poison bit was a bit much for me personally even tho they had a tasteful conclusion at the end. Its like sure I'll drink this demon blood that could potentially kill me to earn your trust why not. Reminds me of that movie pet where the dude cut off his finger to prove his love to crazy girl them she stabbed him and tortured him in the end. At the very least wenduags reasoning was sound cuz it would explain a lot of things about her if she always has demon blood whispering to her and how its hard to shut out so youd understand her better and how awesome it was of her to decide to be better for you. Think the reason the whole nice guy meme exists is cuz of how often its written into these games. And then ppl go nuts when they break script and throw in a tali who doesnt have any mental issues and is just wholesome as fuck. Hell that became a romance story because fans wanted it in and wasn't planned originally.

[@CorruptedSoul12]

@@ethosterros9430 Oh man I totally get you on not being able to romance Amiri. I remember being so disapointed that you couldn't romance her cause she was so cool! But I still think her not looking for romance is still cool since she's more into fighting. I think the important thing is that as long as the story of the romance is good like Wenduag's here then people will tend to gravitate towards that type of story.

[@ethosterros9430]

@@CorruptedSoul12 it's why valerie felt so bad for me is she felt like amiri was what she wishes she was but couldn't be. Thank God they threw kanera and kallike in that was a very creative character design lol. That's just it is people keep saying you'll find it when u stop looking for it so it's not far fetched spending a long time around the baron they could get attached to each other. As opposed to how forced some of them feel. That elf mage plus orc magus was like why.

[@НиколайРыжих-ц5ф]

Is it necessary to kill Valeksia?

[@butcherx8]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZfRgKt7jNmDf80 Mmmh, I didn't get this dialogue from that footage. As well as all those which follow during the 2 minutes which follow. Yet I did what was necessary to have it. Strange.

[@BlueSpams]

Spider wife for life!

[@lordgrugr1126]

Ok minus all the killing why does this represent a dom sub relationship in a pretty good way

[@Transcedant]

Best girl

[@hilotakenaka]

Yesssss Best girl

[@Angria_Ra]

Thanks for the upload! I think this might be the longest romance?

[@melkorstormcrown6939]

this is by far the best we have in this game imo. Which says enough about the other ones smh

[@jake4179]

Huh, even if it’s no Camellia, this romance still exudes evil vibes.

[@RyuKaguya]

@The Infinity Sock her romance was meant to be the lich sacrifice

[@taramaforhaikido7272]

@The Infinity Sock That's because Camellia was isolated for her whole life. She's never had anyone to challenge her. Her own farther kept her brushed under the rug. When confronting her farther she outright states her anger stems from being a prisoner. In her own home at that. Her farther had good intentions that backfired. Both deal with lies and secrets. Wenduag might lie at times, but she'll also explain a situation when it counts. Awareness factor. leading to hoensty and trust. At least in regards to taking each other at your word. The scene with Lann (both the first and second) displays this quite effectively. I also agree with some of Wenduag's views. Though some of her methods are counter productive. I actually consider Iomedae to be even more dangious then any monster, just for the fact that she lectures you for giving demons a choice to walk away. What monster or demon will even consider doing anything differently if they'll just going to be smited anyway? Ember on the other hand challenges demons and does it without the judgement or lectures. As out of control as Camellia is I think she's meant to be. She's designed that way. the part I take issue with with Camellia is the the player is forced to go along with her murdering if the player wants to keep her as a companion. Regardless of high one the players perception and diplomacy is. The whole of act 5 feels rushed/unfinished and chances are Camellia was one of the last companions to be added/worked on. Her quest lines are short, lack alternate outcomes and she opens up far too quickly (Seriously, the "Are you ready" line?). It just doesn't make her very believable. Even for what she is. Mainly it's the part when she faces her farter. It's all good build up right until the point Camellia says "talk" when he's confiding in her. The first reaction after that was done well enough. But then it just... stops. Everything else would have made sense if the end of her last companion quest had more "meat" to it. Even just having Camellia and her farther talking more (like with Wenduag and Lann) would have done it. Questions. Reasons. Answers. With a nudge from the player of course. Since we can't do that, the player doesn't have any other choice then murder lane. Without reasons or talking about why at that. If I have a high perception and diplomacy score and can talk my way through any other situation then it's like putting the game "on the rails" with Camellia. In a game that revolves around multiple choices/outcomes. So the end result is pretty weak as a result.

[@ZephyrDaze]

@@taramaforhaikido7272 Wenduag and Cam are both evcil characters, but Wenduag is evil out of necessity and the shitty hand she was dealt. Cam meanwhile is evil because she was born twisted. Iirc, she killed helpless animals as a child.

[@Unknown_Web_User]

Ok, now i know who i will use to sucrifice for a lich path

[@quantras2673]

I've been saving Camellia for that tbh. I killed her in my first run as an Aeon.

[@Dante-ot8xg]

lol she gets right to the point

[@Bzk--]

Im on my first playthrough and everything was going fine but at the start of Act 4 when I talked with her in the Nexus, she went "everyone has noticed you don't care about me anymore, lets break up" or something and I couldnt even answer, I just got friendzoned out of nowhere lmao what. Also, I never got the tavern scene in act 3, altho I did everything correctly up to that point.. Time to bang Camellia, I guess.

[@robikz]

Never bang Camelia.

[@bluntlyhonest6803]

It is the equivilance to boning your dog. Kind of gross ._.

[@RyuKaguya]

oof easy there you are starting to sound like a plantation owner.

[@bluntlyhonest6803]

@@RyuKaguya Did you just call me a racist?

[@thisisaname5589]

@@bluntlyhonest6803 Own it. Nothing wrong with it.

[@bluntlyhonest6803]

@@thisisaname5589 nothing wrong with being a racist? I very much beg to differ, there is a lot wrong with that.

[@thisisaname5589]

@@bluntlyhonest6803 then you're an idiot. Enjoy being called one and whining about it impotently.