Were Arsenal Actually The BEST Team In The League?

Arsenal have had an amazing season. Arteta accrued 89 points but it still he had to watch Manchester City and Pep Guardiola win the Premier League. My question though, does the BEST team in the league always win the league?
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[@RoryJenningsFootball]

My question, does the BEST team in the league always win the league? I think not. Liverpool's 97 point side were a better side than City. Am I right?

[@user-bc2in7oe3l]

City always win because of depth more than anything, they have too much quality in their squads

[@jordanandremcdonnell4641]

@@user-bc2in7oe3labsolute myth. Hasn’t been the case this year.

[@jordanandremcdonnell4641]

That’s a lie, Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City, October 2018. Manchester City 2-1 Liverpool, January 2019. We had the better head to head record.

[@thierryhenry674]

The league winner is not necessarily the best team. But ManCity is indeed the best team this season. Look at Mourinho’s Chelsea. Tactically not very complex, just parking the bus like a small team. Players are not very good at football. Not half as skilful, tricky, silky or tekky as players in many other teams. They are just athletic and physical people who can’t play football. But yet, they somehow win trophies. Sometimes luck can be a huge factor.

[@lcfchx6985]

Oh of course , a team who gets less wins and more losses are better than a team with more wins and less losses

[@Jaydedfaded]

I blame our loss on Rory’s prediction that we would win

[@veryscousemike7822]

I'm an Arsenal fan and I'm saying the best overall team always wins the league. You can't fluke a 38 game season. So did we deserve to win it? No because we didn't win it. We can point to Villa but also to our awful December. So well done City.

[@ssrmy1782]

Best team in the league is the one that amassed most points over 38 games. Not sure how that can even ne denied tbh

[@helicoptersrkool]

What about if the PGMOL apologize for taking points off the team who end up getting pipped by 2 points?

[@JD-xw3tj]

When there's literally 1 or 2 points in it you can definitely make a case that one team overall played better football and I'm not even an Arsenal fan

[@mattkirby8699]

​@@JD-xw3tjdifficult to make a case that either team is better when separated by 2pts when the available pts range before season starts is 0-114. Add in the fact that they don't play the other 18 clubs in the same order with the same players available.....

[@harrydavies5055]

Football has a significant element of luck. Just look at the UCL winners of each season... I'd say only 50% of the time does the best team win it. Cup football is certainly more luck based, but even league football is effected. If you win it by 5+ points, you almost certainly deserve it. If its 0-2, there's way too big of a luck factor to attribute it entirely to skill.

[@et34t34fdf]

How many decisions did go City's way compared to Arsenal though?

[@beautifulworld3580]

A Spurs fan calling Arsenal nearly men.... Now I've seen it all 😅

[@relaxingwithangel4440]

That took me out

[@SheetzSwim1789]

City took 4 points from Liverpool in 18/19

[@zohaibshinwari9481]

He also said when ivanovic scored a winner at the etihad they went on to win the league. No they didn't. City won the league in 2014 this guys a bozo

[@erikpuka2627]

City were better in 18/19. Easily the best team in the world. They just got robbed and were unlucky in the UCL vs Tottenham. 2017-18 and 2018-19 Man City was different

[@therealhb1763]

​@@zohaibshinwari9481city didn't win in 2014

[@zohaibshinwari9481]

@@therealhb1763 then who did genius? Please enlighten me.

[@therealhb1763]

@@zohaibshinwari9481 Chelsea

[@maxbarnard1204]

That Liverpool 18/19 season when “they had a better head to head record against city”, they drew at home due to Mahrez missing a last minute penalty and lost away 😂

[@anthonysalazar8279]

😮 smart guy

[@mass9504]

yea LFC lost to Man city. that 18/19 man city team was Peps best squad and its not even close.

[@lungalunga1470]

​@mass9504 these knew kids always crying when are say it that team was the best city team,

[@fh-oy9qp]

Its hilarious when other clubs supporters try to talk bs about Arteta saying he only has 1 trophy. Knowing dam well they would kill to have him manage their teams and playing the way Arsenal does.

[@Aron.k]

Ofc the Spurs fan would say that, he'd kill for an FA cup 😂

[@Ahijah]

I wouldn’t want him at my club, not done anything with his own team only won with unai emerys team

[@joejohnson8789]

​@@Ahijahwould that be the Emery team that was sat in 10th when Arteta joined, and had yet to play an FA cup fixture?

[@Ahijah]

@@joejohnson8789 you want to give him credit for the fact that cup win, but not the league position 🫤only finished 2 places higher than where emery left them, that’s not very good

[@joejohnson8789]

@@Ahijah What was he supposed to do with that squad, win the league?

[@boygenius2508]

People forget the mess of a club Arteta took over. I see the two first years of him as a manager was cleaning up the club and the players. So I see him at the second year as a proper manager after two years as a one man cleaning crew.

[@tumindlovu942]

People don't also factor in,when he came to arsenal He was fresh out of grad school and had zero experience

[@gellasiusmurundu6723]

Arteta will make Pep to leave the Premier league in the next two seasons watch that guy is that good..

[@mvjbass9561]

This ignores a year (either the year they finished 5th behind Tottenham or one of the two times he finished 8th) and disregards the fact Arsenal came 5th and were Europa League runners up the year before he arrived

[@tomashehir]

@@mvjbass9561he only managed half a season the first season we finished 8th. Then we finished 8th again in his first full season - that’s the season where all the problems really did show. Since then we’ve constantly improved every season.

[@Ahijah]

Only 600 million spent 😮

[@tonny9168]

The best team always wins. Head-to-head between Arsenal and City is irrelevant because you are technically going head-to-head with 18 other teams.

[@thierryhenry674]

The best team do not always win. But in this case ManCity is the better team.

[@JasonWilliams89]

No they don't

[@hellohi1445]

⁠@@thierryhenry674you’re right. The most consistent team always wins. And they will always deserve it more than the “best team.”

[@nathanreddy3199]

Liverpool deserved to beat City with that chest kick. I am shocked at how many decisions go City's way.

[@johnwhalley8270]

​@@nathanreddy3199even if they beat us there, it was still going to crumble around now. It tends to.

[@arieus1013]

I’m an Arsenal fan and the table doesn’t lie, h2h and stats tells you that the gap between the two clubs is very small and it’s just how they handle the very fine margins, but the most important gap is the points one! So, well done City! I’m optimistic for next season because I know Arsenal can still improve a lot and I think City will be stagnant in their progression! I think we need to win next season before Pep leaves just for the achievement of beating Pep to the league, but if he does leave after next season we’ll have all our players on their prime so there’s a lot to look forward to if you’re an Arsenal fan!

[@nancynekesa9894]

When Rory predicted Arsenal will win the league,,I became sure they won't 😂😆🔥

[@obinnamadichie]

How can you be the best team in the league without being champions

[@mattkirby8699]

Learn some basics about randomness and probability. It's highly possible that the 'best' team doesn't win the league. For starters they don't play the other 18 teams in the same order and secondly they only play each other twice in the season. Even playing 7 times head-to-head isn't enough to have great confidence that the 'best' team wins...

[@obinnamadichie]

@@mattkirby8699 what you on about everyone plays everyone twice! It’s about who shows up on the day. Success is earned not gifted..

[@mickyarams]

​@mattkirby8699 There's nothing random about City winning the league. Arsenal lost the league when they decided to lose to Villa. You know when City smells blood, they go for the kill. Arsenal did this to themselves.

[@et34t34fdf]

​@@mickyaramsI knew right then and there City would take it, when Arsenal lost to Villa. City don't lose games in the run-in, Arsenal did, and that was the difference. Its the level you have to be at, to overtake City.

[@obinnamadichie]

@@mattkirby8699 what an excuse merchant 😂😂😂

[@tumindlovu942]

League position finish and domestic cup success exist independently and cant be argued against each other.2013 Wigan won the FA cup and got relegated.you cant debate and say they had a better sesson to a team that say finished 4th

[@Jkev24]

That's why I always say domestic cups are bonus points. You can't pass a test by just getting the bonus questions correct. Plus could you imagine the banter/abuse if a fanbase tried to claim they won a double when it was the FA and EFL cups they won (at least if they were a top 6 club).

[@blacklotus5364]

If they were the best team in the league, they would have won the league.

[@iwasmusic9413]

Fair enough but if Man City and Arsenal went head to head, Arsenal would win

[@JasonWilliams89]

Not necessarily true but ok

[@iwasmusic9413]

@@JasonWilliams89 based on this season it is. Arsenal are unbeaten against city and city have failed to score a goal home and away against them. easy to say Arsenal are better head to head.

[@JasonWilliams89]

@@iwasmusic9413 I wasnt replying to you but you're wrong too. You have no evidence of that

[@iwasmusic9413]

Arsenal beat Man City. Man City have not beat Arsenal this season. Man City haven’t scored home and away. Fair to say Arsenal would most likely win.

[@Jkev24]

Counterpoint to silverware being better than qualifying for CL... No opposing fans have any respect to Arsenal when they won the FA Cup, in fact they just said they won an insignificant cup. At the end of the day, European cups and the league cup are what a team is truly measured by. These other cups are essentially bonus points, but if you don't win the league or CL they're virtually meaningless by themselves (in today's game, I know historically they used to be held to a higher value). Like is anyone seriously going to say their team won a double if they only win the FA and EFL cup (assuming they are a top 6 club)? Arsenal fans would be laughed off by other fanbases for that being their version of a "double".

[@danielpayne7192]

Rory, listen mate. It's okay to have a good take once in a while. You should try it one day. The best team wins the league, that's why they give the trophy to the winner of the league, because they were the best in the league. It's literally the only requirement.

[@saiyerugara9038]

Cool, then there's no need for season reviews then.

[@danielpayne7192]

@@saiyerugara9038 you can review how teams did during the season and talk about how they can get better, but pretending like a team was the best and lost the league is just silly.

[@saiyerugara9038]

@danielpayne7192 It's very possible for the best in a competition to lose. Things change throughout a season; form from previous seasons and expectations can sway ratings, injuries etc. There is an argument we can make that Arsenal was better than City this season because they did better when they played them but and they also conceded the fewest.

[@josephjohn907]

Thanks to spurs for not being foolish enough to hand Arsenal the EPL. My days as a Chelsea fan saw Chelsea winning 24 trophies namely 5 EPLs,2 UCLs,2 Europas,1 World club cup and smaller trophies like fa cups and carling cups. I can't envy City as foolish united fans are doing. Referees favoured Ferguson during his days

[@stuartmcmillan9004]

Sorry, don't put the Europa League above the FA Cup. The best teams in the FA Cup are better than the best teams in the Europa League. Also, if you are playing in the Champions League you can't win the Europa League so an FA Cup should be higher than a Europa League. Also one of Chelsea's Europa Leagues was won after you got knocked out of the UCL group stage while being defending champions.

[@fathialjack2009]

The best team in the league is the team with more points, that's how leagues work, rory stop twerking for arsenal fans for views

[@thierryhenry674]

That’s not always the case. But in this case ManCity is better than Arsenal.

[@JasonWilliams89]

That's not true

[@user-jt8sp5ru1k]

Yes rory just doing this for views & likes, deep down he too knows assnel no match to the imperious man city

[@Jkev24]

I mean that's how it works because there's no playoffs. If we're being real here, a playoff system better defines who truly is the best. You can't hide behind luck in a best of 7 series (I know that's not really feasible in football, but a first to 4 points playoff would be a good indicator of which team is better).

[@JasonWilliams89]

@@Jkev24 You can though. Worse teams beat better teams all of the time.

[@Crvena27]

People saying City will be found guilty of the 115 charges should stop dreaming. That's like saying Burnley will win the PL next season.

[@johnpower1567]

If a only there was a points based league system we could refer to with view to seeing who’s the better more deserving team

[@JasonWilliams89]

There isn't one

[@mattkirby8699]

Haha! Actually that's a really bad way to judge who's better! Why introduce another 18 teams into the equation? I Statistically it ruins any chance you might have of determining whether Arsenal or Man City are better😂😂

[@Jkev24]

Here's something to consider, if H2H doesn't matter at all in determining who is better over the course of a season, then you pretty much could say CL isn't an accurate indicator of who the best team in Europe is at all. Call it what you will, but American sports that have a best of 7 game series typically find out who is truly the best team in the league because it forces teams to play H2H over a long enough sample size that luck really isn't a big enough factor in determining who's better.

[@Bobbywoodhogan]

Rory, Ivanovic scored the winner at City the season before we won the league. The season we won the league we drew with City twice 1-1

[@sboulty1]

That game away at city was just after the international break and not a single away PL team got a win on that day and the game against villa finished the league title for us

[@jeffgachihi8225]

I'm sorry in the two PL games this year...Man City had TWO shots on target. Arsenal beat City...City didn't beat Arsenal...So what Rodri is saying is pure waffle.

[@statisticallysound]

Arteta dragged Unai Emery’s 12th place team up to 8th twice and won an FA cup with them, and then a year later turned the youngest team in the Premier League into the only competition for the eventual Treble winners in two consecutive title races, the last of which came down to game week 38. What are we doing here, he’s on his way to becoming a world class manager

[@brucecampbell0317]

Asking if Arsenal is the best team in the league is the same as asking if Saka is better than Foden.

[@CYP0]

Did people forget that Arsenal beat Man City in the Community Shield and stopped them from winning the sextuple (second one in Pep's career)? Sure it is not the biggest trophy but it is still silverware as it technically counts as the English Super Cup. Interesting hearing a Chelsea fan and a Spurs fan discuss Arsenal's season on the same podcast.

[@PS-sw7yq]

I hope Rory meant to say best team ever assembled in England because I think they get battered by Pep's Barca and Heynckes' Bayern in the last 15 years alone. Not to mention Madrid are going for their 4th Champions league since Pep took over. And then he says Foden is the best player in the world - is he better than Rodri even? He's a great player but does he get starting for Madrid?

[@tiamia5371]

City are the better team and they won obviously but if you frame it like if Liverpool weren't robbed of that penalty against city and if Arsenal weren't robbed against Newcastle Then arsenal would've won the league then it's very different

[@ang5491]

Arsenal have been sensational because we ignore man city, knowing they're consistently amazing that we take them for granted -- "there they go again". But the best team DOMINATE games, either in terms of possession, offensively, or defensively ,and always look like they're SCORING and clinching the win rather than not. Arsenal for me have secured the defense. but they lack AGGRESSION in attack, , and consistency in maintaining attacking possession and winning possession back. Those two areas they DESPERATELY NEED. City can do that even against teams like Real Madrid. That's how they're winning it quite convincingly, despite the margin.

[@hubris7434]

I'd rather wake up every morning in the title race than wake up with the actual Carabao Cup in my bed.

[@ActionMoviePrem]

This argument that Arsenal didn't play to win at the Etihad is the reason they didn't win the league is so flawed because in 4 out of the 6 title city has won, they never managed to beat their title rival either home or away, yet they (City) won the league. So if winning away at your rival's home is the yardstick for winning the league, then city failed most of the times

[@rrjgpl]

All this talk about head to head going Arsenal way is insane because although they played very well, their win came from a deflected goal. That doesn’t make a team the “deserved” champions.

[@roboi2241]

People say Arsenal blew the title against Villa and Fulham, taking 1 point from 4 games but in 2021/22 City took 1 point from Spurs and Palace and still won the league.

[@gooner72]

Rory, to back up what you said about Phil Foden.......... the coaches who are in the England youth set up, under 17's, 19's, 21's etc have said that Phil Foden is the most naturally gifted player they've ever seen.

[@firesi]

City won the most games (joint), lost the fewest and scored the most goals. Perhaps we should stop the league at 36 games or give the trophy to whoever was top for the longest.

[@kostas6612]

Pep's Barcelona, Bayern under Heynckes and Pep and Real of Zidane and Ancelotti during his first spell were better than any City team

[@plamenkaraivanov3807]

Silverware is important in history books (and in fans banter) but really, it's all about experience and emotion. When season gave you pleasant experience, it was a good season. A Carabao cup won't make it for a miserable season, with an year dominated by negative emotions from bad games. Does it matter that Liverpool made 97 points, when they lost at the end - yes it mattered to their fans. It was amazing season for Pool. Arsenal last two seasons gave the fans a lot better experience than the miserable years under the late Wenger and the transitional period under Emery, Ljungberg and the beggining of Arteta. Silverware goes for the record, but after decades it means nothing, because there are no fans who witnessed em. Aston Villa dominated the English football in the end of the 19-th century and the beggining of 20-th century. They had won the first tier in that period more times than Chelsea in their entire history. So what? Will today someone argue Villa are bigger club than Chelsea, have more fans and etc. If only silverware matters, why fans of more than 90% of the clubs watch game after game, knowing, that there is no realistic chance of winning any kind of silverware? We have 3, you have 4 - it's all just a banter matter. We know how often silverware is decided by blind luck, or bad referee decisions or whatnot... So if it is a bad or good season is measured only by how we are remembering it and after we stop remembering it - it doesn't really matter anymore...

[@mikeanthonyjr6067]

Arteta said after the match to not settle and they’re disappointed so the club themselves know they didn’t achieve their goals.

[@strzebowiska]

One will say ‘deserve’, someone else will say they don't. The title is simply won, and unless it came about by cheating, that ends the discussion.

[@skim7221]

Arsenal were so lucky with injuries this season, which suggests this season may have been their best chance. Law of probability suggests that they may not be so lucky next season.

[@jacobadouglas91]

The best team doesn't always win the cup, but in the league the best team always wins the league. Across 38 games the best team always wins.

[@dragonwizard0d]

Playing for draws doesn’t win you league titles anymore. The trip to the Etihad may not have been it but that patch in December when City were 1 win in 6 definitely killed the chances.

[@Aron.k]

I think it's fair to say we've been the best team this YEAR (2024) but over the course of the season no we haven't

[@woodsy967]

Optimistic for next season doesn't mean u had a better previous. He just talks shite and makes his own ideas up

[@matthewbotha7845]

Stop it. We were 2nd best over 38 games. The table doesn't lie.

[@JackPaul-vs3bq]

The best team always finds a way to win. Never forget that. Don't try to console Arsenal fans, we want them to keep crying.

[@rickydawson7388]

The amazing this is Everton and Forest had points deducted but Manchester City and Chelsea hasn't. That said, City deserved the title on the field. Arsenal were the better team on statistics, but Man City look more like champions on field than Arsenal ever did. And I am an Arsenal fan.

[@DNOPLAYSGAMES]

Poch has just been sacked, there goes the top 3 finish i think Chelsea had a chance at next season. Back to square one hahaha, this is what you wanted Rory. Back to instability. Poch had them finish 20 points better off than last season. Next season mid table at best.

[@et34t34fdf]

How often did City not play for a draw, away to Liverpool, in the title races? Rodri is talking nonsense imo, winning the Home game, and draw in the other, is very good, this is not where Arsenal lost the title. City don't lose home games, Arsenal did(vs Aston Villa), can't do that if you want to beat them to the title.

[@mluesabelo417]

The premier league is not competitive, the only reason why Arsenal didn't win the league is because only Arsenal is little closer to City competitively. If other big teams were able to take away points from City I bet Arsenal would have won the league

[@woodsy967]

Of course Liverpool season beats arsenal season. Both finished in the 80s points. Both challenged for the league yet Liverpool with a crazy injury list also collected a trophy

[@jansvatek5029]

Spurs have spent more than Arsenal since Arteta took over. Arsenal are 5th in the prem for spend since he was appointed. And Arsenal that he inherited were rubbish. This argument is total bollocks.

[@plm6523]

"Tell a lie enough times and you start believing it yourself" Arsenal played very defensively against City at the Etihad, but they never played for a draw. They always tried to win the match and Arsenal had some good chances they should have slotted. Arsenal know how city will play against them, hit them where they are vulnerable. City is better than Arsenal at many things, but especially winning the ball back. Since Arteta trusts his defence he went with a counter attack approach, laying mostly back then not really trying to win the ball back just letting city lurk around. Then have a very sudden press that might catch them of guard which it did. It was a gamble, but so is every match when two teams like this face each other. Did it end up being the wrong call? You could say that considering City won the league, but it was the first time City had not scored at home in a very long time, so I'd say that is a feat in itself. My view on this whole "Better team came second" is that the team who gets the most points deserve to win the league, simple as. Arsenal might have been the "better" team throughout the season which I would arguably agree with, but Arsenal didnt deserve to win it, City did because they got more points. To every Arsenal fan out there, just be glad with the amount of points you accumulated. There is not a single sign of the team declining in any way shape or form, only signs of improvement. Just look forward to next season, and be happy you are going into almost every match expecting a win. Not everyone is that fortunate.

[@abrahamgarshong2826]

Son's behaviour Tues night, the EPL night of shame, must not be encouraged. Sports requires fairness that's why Everton was deducted points. Son's behaviour in business sense is like violating betting game

[@anguspaterson5713]

Arsenal did the double over Leicester City the season they won the league, but finished 2nd because it’s in other games, the ones we should win, where we throw it away.

[@tomn1568]

And I deserve a million pounds, we can both say pointless statements. If they deserved it they would of won it, this is elite sport. They finished below 90 points too which is poor by recent standards

[@CamMackay96]

Rory isnt even a closet Arsenal fan at this point, hes just an Arsenal fan 😂

[@harveyfuqua6633]

Sergio Aguerro playing poker with Rory Jennings. Yeah right😢

[@danielrushton7989]

Not sure how this is even a debate, if football and life in general worked with rhe principle of "You get what you deserve" Then maybe but it doesnt. Did Arsenal get more points than Man City...No. So by that definiftion/outcome they didnt "deserve" to win the league. Its a simple way of looking at it because its that simple.

[@jamesomara3361]

Deserves has nothing to do with it from an Arsenal perspective. City didn't lose a game after 7 December. Went on the longest unbeaten run in the history of their club. They are inevitable unfortunately.

[@samburnscomposer]

Rory loves when things are slightly symbolic

[@yous62]

FA Cups are very important for history books, we all agree on that. But come on, who gives a F about league cup! It’s an artificial competition created for TV Broadcasts and almost all countries got rid of that today. It’s a matter of time before it disappears

[@lwandomadikizela2213]

There's no question Arsenal has done well but if it doesn't win the Premier League title then it's not good enough. If Arsenal really want to win the Premier League then they have to out do City in everything including earning more points and go on a massive win streak of 19 games to have a chance. Winning more games and have the tightest defense isn't enough if City have more points than Arsenal. Have some standards Arsenal fans and demand greatness and only then your club will end the 20 year wait for the Premier League title.

[@stewartlawson7208]

I’m an Arsenal fan and no we didn’t deserve it the winner which is Man city deserves it simple as that

[@calvinwilson1022]

The best team ALWAYS wins the league, you're getting confused with he best team doesnt always win the cup.

[@gazza8892]

That 18/19 Liverpool team lost to city and won less games so therefore wasn’t the best team and to add to that city did a clean sweep domestically which no team has done in the prem

[@brucecampbell0317]

This is such a silly premise. The table doesn't lie. City were the best team. They have won 4 league titles on the bounce, multiple trophies year in and year out, and 4 trophies won this year (assuming they win FA Cup). This Arsenal team did not win the league and only fought on 2 fronts, having given up the domestic cups. Yet again, Arsenal didn't win a single trophy. City is simply miles better.

[@shaunfogarty6038]

City deserved the league and I’m not just saying that because I support City it’s because when I look at Arsenal Fulham took four points off them Villa got 6 points against them lost 5 games to City’s 3 So, I don’t think you can say Arsenal deserved it And I think the best side always wins the league, but if you were basing it on like European clubs and the Champions League and knockout competitions, I would say that the best side doesn’t always win

[@anirudha4176]

The best team won the league. Arsenal should blame themselves for giving away 4 points to Fulham of all teams and their former maneger Emery schooled them twice as well.

[@Ikigai168]

Rory should switch to be an Arsenal fan boy. Best team has to win. Period. Their best team in best season had zero trophies yet didn’t get into any of the other league finals ? One of Chelsea’s worst seasons - 6th, in a cup final and FA semi final. Also zero trophy. Best team of Arsenal = bad team in bad season of Chelsea.

[@jayinATL]

The best team is the one with the most points at the end of the season. Even in a situation where somehow another team takes the full 6 points off the top team, that team is still not the best team. You can have arguments about which team you would prefer, and that's fine and good, but ultimately there is only one measure each season of the best, and thats the most points after 38 games. Now comparing teams from different years, well all bets are off. Total points from say 96-97 have nothing to do with 23-24, and its just a fun argument at that point.

[@mattkirby8699]

Agree 100% with second sentence and disagree with your third sentence for the same reason! The small sample size and noise in the system is precisely why we can almost never say the team that wins the league is the 'best'. Your argument for not being able to compare between seasons also applies within seasons! I've not done the calculations but I suspect only a team that wins the title by Christmas i.e is about 50pts ahead of all the rest can be considered the best with a high degree of confidence

[@jayinATL]

@mattkirby8699 you make solid points. I still stand by the discrete outcome of 38 games and the points total. There is tremendous deviation within that. Seasonal ups and downs. Vagaries of VAR. Injuries. All part of it. All ultimately boiled down to the points total for me. Maybe not for you. I enjoy your line of thinking, though. For example, if the question was "if your life depended on it, what team would you pick as your champion to win one match?" Well, I think it's fair that while the league winner would get chosen alot, probably nowhere near 100%. So is that what people mean by the best team? Maybe.

[@JuniorFi7mz]

We need add more better player's

[@Cosmicmiind]

Rory still riding Arsenal diick..he just loves that 🤡🤡

[@lordmill4572]

how this dude has a radio career is crazy. I think he is employed to say outlandish things. how tf do u say a team who has the most points in a 38 game league isn't the best team. do you think this is the champions league where all the years u won the icl u were never top 5 teams in the world???

[@paulparker1137]

The mentality argument is so weak they went there and got a great point. Now loosing to Villa twice & more importantly in my opinion the West Ham home game was damaging one win out of them they would have won it.

[@delroyanthonygibson6537]

Man City must remember that they came to Arsenal to shut up shop and not lose. Rodri has a short memory.

[@chekseng80]

City desered to win. Over 38 games, they have injury to let players throughout different periods and they won last 9 streak games. I dunno wat else can I expect frm them. As a gooner fan, I think we need 100 points to win becoz when opponent come close, City lup their gear again. They always do in such as way that it is just enough to win the 2nd spot team. Nevertheless, I am proud of this team n this club. Nvr experience such for 20yrs.

[@dmac17x]

First is first, second is nowhere. It's not complex at all, the best team ALWAYS wins the league.

[@NorthLondonisRed562]

Of course we were the best team in the league I’m very sad we didn’t win the league but I’m very proud that we tried hard

[@droppenkiken]

The league table doesn’t lie. KDB is a better attacking midfielder than Odegaard. Foden is better than Saka. Haaland is a better goalscorer than Havertz. Gvadiol is better than any of our left backs. There’s not really a position that Arsenal is obviously better at? Man City are the better team.

[@Citeh_Blue]

Got to play for more then a point when the goals 90 points a season

[@jimmyjabs7849]

We were great but no we didn’t deserve it, since city lost to villa they Dre 4 games and lost none, they are the best team and we should be proud to have come so close and yeah in our hearts we feel like we deserved it because we aren’t city, we aren’t the favourites and it probably means more to us as fans nowadays but we didn’t deserve it because we didn’t win it and I can’t think of any outlandish reasons why not and don’t bring up 115 charges because that isn’t in our control what was in our control wasn’t quite enough. We go again and try to do more and maybe this time it can be ours

[@stejabrayaga]

Bro has the best job, to be wrong about everything.

[@gabrieldesire9873]

We had the best season in our entire career;we will beat city next season

[@Lobags1984]

If we started the season how we started last season we would have won the league as we didn’t have Holding playing in the back

[@leemccccccc999]

If you don’t win a trophy for years is. Poor return, he bottles it every where and they will the next good coach shite manager I hope they keep arteta for year

[@NBAkingsfan10]

The best team doesnt always win knockout football. However, the best team is always decided over 38 games.

[@Jkev24]

The best team isn't decided over 82 games in other sports. Personally, I always prefer playoffs, but not in small sample sizes like we have in Europe. It would be really interesting to see who would win in a best of 5 games. Not realistic since that would just be too much football to add to the schedule, but if you shortened the season and added in a playoffs, you would definitively figure out who's better. It's the difference for optimizing your squad to put up as many points over 38 games vs optimizing your squad to beat your opponents in a best of 5 series. Like let's talk a hypothetical here. Say Arsenal and City played in CL and Arsenal also knocked City out of the CL ontop of taking 4 points in the league from them and just finishing 2 points shy in the league. It becomes way trickier to say City were the better team in that context when they simply got outplayed everytime they faced Arsenal. Now clearly that didn't happen, City imo are the best team this season, but I think there's scenarios where the best team doesn't win the league. It's really more nuanced than simply the best team always wins the league. Sometimes you just get lucky by running into opposition that gets injured at the right moments.

[@mickyarams]

The best team was crowned the champions.

[@stephenv5521]

Arsenal paid the money to win the title but once again even with that advantage bottled it.

[@immortalhahn]

I came from rants and ex podcast where it was all about banter and making fun to somewhere where there is actually some football sense. Not alot but enough for the time being.

[@canonogic]

The best team ALWAYS wins the league, just like the worst teams ALWAYS get relegated

[@JasonWilliams89]

Do you have a source for that or just made it up?

[@canonogic]

@@JasonWilliams89 if only there was a way to rank the 20 best teams in england in a league like structure

[@JasonWilliams89]

@@canonogic So you think yellow cards are a good way to decide who the better team is. Got it

[@canonogic]

@@JasonWilliams89 yellow cards? What are you waffling about

[@JasonWilliams89]

@@canonogic It's one of the tiebreakers on the league table. If you don't know how it works maybe you shouldn't give your opinion on it

[@sargonsblackgrandfather2072]

City lost two out of three games and drew the other one against arsenal so has Rodri suffered a head injury?

[@jacksmithy1758]

Better head to head than city in the 97 points season ? City won 1 drew 1 ???

[@TheVanmanderpootz]

Man City deserved to win the league title this season - you can't fluke the title. In the last 2 seasons Arsenal should have won and it was , both times in their own hands. Arsenal lost 2-0 at home to West Ham , and 2-0 at home to Aston Villa It's small margins. Man City didn't run away with it. It wasn't a procession. They probably wouldn't have lost those 2 matches that Arsenal did. And yes I know that Arsenal lost 5 matches in total in the league this season.

[@scatterthewinds3126]

As an arsenal fan, city are better. If we are being honest they were one penalty shootout away from a double treble.

[@simonoliver8576]

no enough now the league table doesnt lie 🤣

[@Ars_RmCf]

Arsenal were the best ever they have been and have nothing to show for it. That is criminal

[@TheInnovator25]

Nah aint buying that, to poke some holes in your logic The best team = most points What do most points mean? Proving yourself against all teams in the league. Head to head is irrelevant in this case, as besting your main competitors means nothing in a 38 team legaue. Proving yourself against one team does not in anyway mean you are the best.