Were lockdowns ineffective?

Putting belief to the test, LITERATURE REVIEW AND META-ANALYSIS OF THE EFFECTS OF LOCKDOWNS ON COVID-19 MORTALITY, January 2022, Studies in Applied Economics.
Bio plausibility is not always correct when applied
Early epidemiological studies predicted large effects of NPIs.
Imperial College London, Ferguson et al. (2020) predicted that suppression strategy based on a lockdown would reduce COVID-19 mortality by up to 98%.
Ferguson, Neil M, Daniel Laydon, Gemma Nedjati-Gilani, Natsuko Imai, Kylie Ainslie, Marc Baguelin, Sangeeta Bhatia, et al. 2020. “Impact of Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions (NPIs) to Reduce COVID- 19 Mortality and Healthcare Demand,” March, 20.
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Systematic review and meta-analysis
To determine whether there is empirical evidence to support the belief that “lockdowns” reduce COVID-19 mortality.
Lockdowns
The imposition of at least one compulsory, non-pharmaceutical intervention (NPI).
NPIs
Government mandates
Limit internal movement, close schools and businesses, ban international travel.
This study
Systematic search and screening procedure
18,590 studies identified
After three levels of screening,
34 studies ultimately qualified.
Of those 34 eligible studies,
24 qualified for inclusion in the meta-analysis.
Three groups of study
Lockdown stringency index studies
Shelter-in-place- order (SIPO) studies
Specific NPI studies
Oxford COVID-19 Government Response Tracker (OxCGRT)
The nine metrics used to calculate the Stringency Index are: school closures; workplace closures; cancellation of public events; restrictions on public gatherings; closures of public transport; stay-at-home requirements; public information campaigns; restrictions on internal movements; and international travel controls.
A higher score indicates a stricter response (i.e. 100 = strictest response).
186 countries covered
Countries with more than one million citizens are included, 153 countries in tota.
An analysis of each of these three groups support the conclusion that lockdowns have had little to no effect on COVID-19 mortality.
Stringency index studies
Find that lockdowns in Europe and the United States only reduced COVID-19 mortality by 0.2% on average.
Shelter-in-place- order (SIPO) studies
SIPOs were also ineffective,
only reducing COVID-19 mortality by 2.9% on average.
Specific NPI studies
also find no broad-based evidence of noticeable effects on COVID-19 mortality.
Conclusion
While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to no public health effects,
they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted.
In consequence, lockdown policies are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument.
Critique
We exclude papers which analyze the effect of early lockdowns in contrast to later lockdowns.
Retrospective study
Pick your own end points
Vast array of differing countries and circumstances
E.g. compliance in US, Germany, Italy, China
Inferences from past to the future
Pandemic fatigue
Herby (2021) illustrates, voluntary behavior changes are essential to a society’s response to an pandemic,
account for up to 90% of societies’ total response to the pandemic
Written by economists, principle, damage that lockdowns did to the economy
Were papers chosen to support the theme?
Most of the papers used were by economists, not scientists or medical people
Outcomes were solely deaths, did not include 'cases, hospitalizations or other measures’
Those who were going to die were going to die whether you locked down or not
The disease itself and the fitness of the patients was largely the determinant
Do not consider the wider factors that could also have affected the economy had there not been lockdowns
E.g. mayhem would have ensued for hospital capacity and routine medical care without lockdowns
Retrospectoscope
This debate may follow party lines
Growing anti-science feeling in the US
A future epidemic agent could have totally different characteristics
Bella
Omicron today keeps the Delta away

[@skylilly1]

Same thing happened to me, John. My 91 year old Dad fell and hit the back of his head in Late April and he died very early May. They would not let me come see him...I begged them, and even told them I'd wear a hazmat suit at my own expense, whatever it took....again, no.. I asked them could I please just sit in my car and you can put him at the window and I can wave to him...they said No. I have nightmares about it all. He died alone. I would call him 4 times a day. He kept asking me "are you on your way?" "When are you coming?" over and over. He didn't understand any of it, and he would forget after we discussed it. Awful!! Last call to him he kept saying..I"m tired now, I'm tired. I said "Dad, I'll call you before you go to bed tonight." The nurse got on the phone and said "your Dad just died"..At least I was on the phone...I suppose. No funeral..early pandemic was very different then now. I'm sorry you went through this, too. In my dreams he's in his car and he gets out but I can't get to him.

[@amadd5641]

That's so sad.

[@credenza1]

I am sorry you had such a traumatic time. You were clearly distraught, and have been traumatized by it. I had a similar experience with my mother, and have dreams where she is lost and I am frantic to find her. People should be able to manage their own situations as far as possible, without top-down edicts, which are never ideal for anyone.

[@barbadolid5170]

I'm very sorry you experienced such a traumatic way of loosing someone. He got your love, be sure. There is so much more than words and faces. Terribly traumatic nevertheless

[@HILARI333]

Skylilly, I am SOOOOO sorry for your loss, and how that happened, it must have been excruciatingly brutal. SO MANY people went through the same thing in the first year of covid, not being able to see dying loved ones. It's too brutal. I hope that your trauma, and our societal group trauma, WILL HEAL with time and caring attention and support. Take care!

[@rachealsway]

I'm very sorry.

[@RMP05111]

I'm really sorry for your father John! If he was here, he would be really proud of you and your work! Thank you!

[@zentamm]

I don't think I would be proud, if I was his father. So lockdown doesn't work? Nurse Campbell says lockdown harder!! And vaccines don't really work very well? Nurse Campbell says vaccinate more!! This channel has been dishing out nothing but the wrong advice from the very start. Fear mongering!!

[@NewYorkJennifer]

Didn't your mother ever tell you that if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything? Or how do you feel when I say, if I were your mother I wouldn't be proud of you? Yeah, thought so.

[@carlsilverman7871]

@@zentamm aww, poor baby. Did the lockdown hurt your already low bank account?? Or are you greedy and simply wanted MORE money?

[@johnswoboda2986]

My condolences!

[@johnswoboda2986]

@@zentamm this again is not true. Vaccines worked extraordinarily well to prevent severe disease and death and slowing down the spread. Also keep in mind that, if you are so weak that you die from the vaccine, do you think you could survive the real deal? This is something to keep in mind and nobody meantions ever.

[@nickdeth24]

My 86 year old dad became unwell at the beginning of the pandemic and in April 2020 I gave my notice in so i could look after him and make sure he wasn't isolated. He also had full access to his grandkids throughout. I never gave it a 2nd thought. I remember thinking other folk can do as they please but I'm not abandoning my old man for anything. No regrets - he's still alive and doing well. Thank god.

[@wboyle9721]

I would never abandon any of my family covid or no covid lock down or no lock down well done 👍 best from Glasgow Scotland

[@mollytremblay1396]

Thank God you were able to do so!

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

Good for you mate.

[@wboyle9721]

@@goodlookinouthomie1757 a lot of people will have guilt not being with a loved one after they died there no way in a million years I would leave family to die alone I would rather break the rules and go to prison people have been duped while they had party's them in power thanks best from Glasgow

[@eileenhavern77]

I did the same and loving it xox

[@LisaAllenFitness]

John, I’m so sorry that you lost your father during the pandemic. In light of your personal tragedy, the fact that you carried on giving the rest of us so much comfort every day makes it even more meaningful to me. Words cannot adequately express how grateful I am for your daily talks and how they have comforted me and given me hope. Sending love from my heart to yours. ❤️♾🌎

[@fifitheflowerpot]

Indeed ❤️

[@Jezzle]

I agree

[@mindtheprivacy]

Same here.

[@michelleholt2007]

My mother in law had a stroke Dec 2020. Spent 2 weeks in the hospital. We weren’t allowed to visit. She was put into rehab, was almost ready to come home. She contracted Covid from the rehab. She was put into ICU, and passed away Jan 17, 2021 from Covid pneumonia even though she had tested negative 3 days prior. We couldn’t visit her the entire time. We had to say our goodbyes through a window from outside. I haven’t been that heartbroken but angry in a very long time. She had to die alone with only her family outside. No form of comfort for her, couldn’t hold her hand or talk to her and tell her we love her. She died in a cold room alone! No offer of at least one of her children getting geared up and getting to go be with her even though they stated had been Covid negative for a few days.

[@jocelynstuff1947]

I'm so sorry for your loss, my condolences to you That is so heartbreaking to hear that not one member of your immediate family wasn't allowed to be by her bedside. Prayers for strength to you

[@michelleholt2007]

@@jocelynstuff1947 Thank you. I have never felt so heart broken. Just horrible.

[@AdventureswithHayeski]

I'm so sorry for your heartbreaking loss, Michelle.

[@georgegrader9038]

Where was that? We had a similar loss, but the entire family was let in. Much smarter move.

[@freedomfirst1922]

That’s awful, I’m so sorry! So many have suffered needlessly.

[@NeilCheesman]

We had lockdowns in the UK - but still kept international airports open with thousands of international travellers from highly Covid-infected countries arriving into the UK daily. And I believe, elderly people were sent from hospitals into care homes, without them being tested for Covid.

[@RabJ208]

Once upon a time, the "conspiracy theorists" were telling you that lockdowns don't work...and guess what...we were right all along. Guess you should have "followed the science" 🤣

[@mikebobbings9601]

Forgot the do not resuscitate orders on the elderly, folks with comorbidities and even children with learning difficulties.... need I say more? This whole situation has shown that those in charge are corrupt and vile people and helped along by dodgy doctors and scientists .

[@rodpanhard]

The care home residents were murdered, all sacrificed to give a significant death total to get the ball rolling and enough fear generated so the policy including the lockdowns and the experimental injectables would take hold.

[@69birdboy]

They didn't work in the Spanish flu. This had been in the country since at least December. It ripped through the vulnerable. By the time we knew it..all the first deaths had happened and made lockdown pointless

[@philipbrown394]

Another theory that people latch on to without any evidence. The virus was spread mainly within the home. FACT. so how is locking down the country or travel stop the spresd at home.

[@NicholasWongCQ]

The alternative to lockdowns is not doing absolutely nothing, it's things like focused protection of the vulnerable groups, as suggested in the Great Barrington Declaration.

[@neneg4340]

The alternative is to do what we can to protect ourselves in any pandemic. lock downs were not effective at stopping the virus. The negatives of shutting down lives, economies, education etc...are far more detrimental.

[@realitymatters8720]

@@neneg4340 That is evidently not correct, Denmark had lockdowns, and they have come out of this with less deaths pr. capita, and a sound economy. Quick action works, infact with Denmarks lower deathrate because of the flu seasons being suppressed by lockdowns aswell, the result is nearly no change in average deaths pr. year ! Weird how reality tend to fuck with a-holes expectations ehhh.

[@Durnyful]

@@realitymatters8720 just cherry picking the example here. Plenty of others are entirely contradictory making impossible to state anything with certainty in regard to lockdowns. The damage done & inhumanity is not hard to recognise.

[@crazyfishmonster459]

@@realitymatters8720 The Johns-Hopkins paper doesn't dispute the fact that quick action works. That's what they did in East Asia and it brought things under control. This paper denounces the cyclical lockdowns that people in Europe and US have had to live under for the best part of two years, and ruined lives economically and socially.

[@USUG0]

you mean the Great BS declaration. You would never be able "to protect" just the vulnerable population. Campbell is a disgrace. Again Preying by cherry picking evidence Undoubtedly, fake/late lockdowns like the ones in the UK and many other countries were of limited efficacy, like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. However, countries that seriously and promptly implemented lockdowns like NZ, SK, Japan and Australia have massively lower deaths. In US as of Nov1st, states that implemented lockdowns and other containment measures like CA, NY (despite its initial huge wave) had 1/361 and 1/287 excess deaths, while states that did next to nothing to stop the virus like AZ, FL, MS, ND, had 1/231, 1/245, 1/216,1/235 excess deaths.

[@marijanovic191x7]

Leaving my dad in the hospital when his covid became a whole lung infection, the driving home, was one of the hardest moments in my life. Happy to report he survived, but has some new health issues like diabetes. He was vaccinated. That was 3.5 months ago.

[@BLaQz84]

Glad your dad is still around... Sorry to hear he has new health issues though...

[@marijanovic191x7]

@@BLaQz84 thank you

[@BLaQz84]

@@marijanovic191x7 No worries mate... Wish you & your father all the best...

[@joecoolioness6399]

Glad he survived. And glad he got vaccinated and gave himself the best chance of surviving. I know 2 unvaccinated people who died of it, one was only 43.

[@stephenadams2397]

I'm sorry for your loss John. I cared for my father when he was passing. It is difficult but I couldn't be anywhere else. Being away from him must have been very tough.

[@wboyle9721]

You done right Stephen sticking by your father I admire your strong will I would be the same best from Glasgow

[@AaronRandolphChen]

Heartfelt condolences on the passing of your father, John, as well as the unbelievable anguish you both must have endured due to visitation not being possible.

[@roywiseman]

Not being possible because of ludicrous authoritarian regulations that did not even work in the slightest. What a nonsense. We have been lied to for 2 years, and instead of acknowledging the lies, you just lean in to the lies.

[@colincampbell4261]

@@roywiseman keep on lying to yourself.

[@shopart1488]

Dr. John, we are very sorry for the loss of your father it must have been unbelievable not being with him in his final days. Thank you Dr. John for your sensible daily briefings of the pandemic. Early on my wife and I switched to Medical reviews of the pandemic, we also shunned Network reviews of the pandemic which made life much easier. I believe todays subject has no definitive answer. And you are 100% correct in saying without lockdowns hospitals would’ve overwhelmed.

[@annoyedaussie3942]

You can say it's not definitive for every country but for countries with a reasonable government and people generally trust the government and the lockdown measures are effective the deaths have been 90% less so far. The Western Pacific WHO region has 90% less deaths per Capita in wealthy nations than European WHO region and PAHO Pan-American Health Organization region wealthy nations. The economic performance has also been better. The non wealthy countries in our region are mixed however all have performed better than the average of the other regions. Also based on what was said a lockdown is anything, whereas I define a lockdown must have quarantine and restricted travel otherwise it's only a lockdown for peasants and small business. According to the definition in Queensland Australia I am in lockdown because indoor mask mandate exists and vaccine passport for bars , nightclubs and restaurants. Our current measures aren't designed to reduce spread at all , just slow it a bit and encourage vaccination.

[@shopart1488]

@@annoyedaussie3942 Without restrictions of some sort hospitals would have been overwhelmed that’s all I’m saying. I work in health care, I can tell you we have been at our breaking point for the past two years with all 1290 or so beds and staff. Without some sort of control we would have been devastated.

[@annoyedaussie3942]

@@shopart1488 Sounds really tough wherever you are. Hope you are doing ok now. Fortunately in Australia other than some delays in elective procedures and Melbourne and Sydney over relatively short periods we haven't got close to overwhelming any of our hospital systems. Of course things aren't predictable and have to wait to see what happens in our first winter of living with the virus in 5 or so months time.

[@RabJ208]

My question is: why didn't you lot bother to read the great barrington declaration? If you had bothered reading this then you'd have realised pretty quickly that lockdowns DON'T work. What i'm basically telling you is that If you had followed the science from the beginning - the world would be in a better state.

[@grantfrith9589]

To be commended for the balance you've bought to the conversation John. It's no wonder there is so much contention between those who who'd follow the economic, social or medical consequences of our actions. At least there are people like yourself promoting a multi faceted and complex examination to an equally complex problem. Thank you for all your work.

[@pathall9595]

I am so grateful that my father, 99 years old, passed away in long term care, with his family by his side in December of 2019. He had dementia and the lockdowns would have been so catastrophic to him. I am so sorry Dr John that you and so many other thousand of families could not be together during that time. Such a sad situation all around. Praying for an end to all this death!

[@RabJ208]

Once upon a time, the "conspiracy theorists" were telling you that lockdowns don't work...and guess what......we were right all along. Guess you should have "followed the science" 🤣

[@donnacollingridge5709]

When I really think abou t this I totally agree these Labs all around the world should be more secure.I worry with these new viruses will come from these Labs then animals .These Lockdowns did more damage then good.I like Denmarks approach.

[@focusandefficiency9359]

I havent seen my children since 2 years. But now big pharma has instructed governments not to allow people to travel without being vaccinated. When is this bullshit going to end? 1.5million people die from motor vehicle related deaths per year and that is a conservative figure .. they dont ban cars do they? Follow the stench of money to see what is what. We need legal cases to build a Superfund to create more justice in this world

[@drkarenswrld]

My mother passed from cancer in October 2019. My sister and I are so grateful she didn’t have to deal with any of this

[@louie1]

@@focusandefficiency9359 it will end when we stand together and stop it ...

[@briancrosby152]

I am so sorry about your father, he would most certainly applaud how well you've done educating people.

[@coweatsman]

My father died last year. He was not in a nursing home but died in hospital but funeral attendees including myself had to jump through bureaucratic hoops to travel interstate in Australia to attend his funeral.

[@silenciummortum2193]

@@coweatsman I am sorry for your loss and am sure he is looking down and seeing how much you loved him for your efforts to be there.

[@peterbiltpilot516]

@@coweatsman sorry to hear that. A coworker recently lost his father and couldn't be with him in the hospital. I think that is one of the worst practices done during the pandemic. Not being able to be there for a sick loved one or have loved ones there if you're on your deathbed

[@briancrosby152]

@@coweatsman I am so sorry 🙏

[@yourhealthinformer6948]

Yeah...It's really touching...

[@kathyZ500]

Oh my. I'm very sorry for your loss Dr. Campbell. You've carried forward for us through that and I'm grateful for your work. Your dad would be proud of you. And now he knows the secret and sees what you've done for so many. God bless.

[@yourhealthinformer6948]

Yeah...it was really sad

[@cossie999]

From the UK Gov’s own website: “In 2019, 10.6 million of those employed (33% of the total workforce) were in key worker occupations and industries. The largest group of those employed in key worker occupations worked in health and social care (31%).” How can we possibly expect community transmission to cease with all these millions of people in constant circulation!? No matter how much social distancing, or limiting contact as much as possible outside of work, these people are still going back to their homes, and as the majority of ‘unbiased’ studies show, once there is community transmission, reasons for lockdowns are invalidated & unsubstantiated. Added to this, UK R-rate, and hospital admissions has peaked before first lockdown measures were brought into place (March 2020). Granted it was a knee-jerk reaction to follow most other countries (who by the way, were only mimicking what China did; take from that what you wish), it should never have made it past a month or so when it was clear the devastating effect it was having. We had the data back then at that time, it was just being censored online/corporate media was just not reporting it. And to think, we still have not seen the full effect of collateral damage from these lockdowns. The nucleus of the SAGE council utilised by the government had 4 behavioural experts, but only a single epidemiologist…this was never dealt with as a health issue, they knew exactly what could happen, and it did!

[@philippepeltier142]

They were very effective to increase national debts... 😇

[@seannefortier5916]

And lining many pockets.

[@NFawc]

And suffering and deaths from other causes. Imagine cancer deaths over the next 4-5yrs!

[@pt_ty]

And destroy mental health.

[@MJLU280]

And destroy the youth

[@peterbills4129]

Could we just RESET the GREAT amount of debt?

[@jeffzekas]

Despite being 67 years old and only having one lung, I’ve been triple vaccinated and I’ve had Covid twice, and thank God survived it. However I have followed Dr. Campbell suggestions, taking vitamins, keeping my weight down. And I’ve been lucky that I’ve been able to see my grandchildren during this time.

[@dbo514]

Glad you did well Jeff! Along with the vaccine, you're right to take the other vitamins as well! They're very protective.

[@drummersinger5324]

How do you get the same virus twice? Have you no immune system?

[@dbo514]

@@drummersinger5324 Different variants, same reason you get ''the flu'' twice

[@drummersinger5324]

@@dbo514 Now get all of Fauci's boosters dumb weakling

[@jeffzekas]

@@drummersinger5324 Had cancer, yes I have an immune system, but probably not as good as your immune system I had Delta and I had omicron, I am what’s considered a high-risk person

[@BobWidlefish]

Lockdowns were very effective at transferring wealth from poor to rich and harming the health of the masses. It depends on what goals you have whether the lockdowns were effective. If you think the ruling class has your best interests at heart I encourage you to pay closer to attention to their words and actions.

[@jackpech5927]

Lol tinfoil hat lunatic

[@adamdadds4566]

@@jackpech5927 Chinese bot?

[@robs3557]

@@jackpech5927 obviously we have another blind Biden supporter.

[@34bluedragon]

Bob-beautifully said. Agree 100%

[@roweenie]

@@jackpech5927 name calling is a poor substitute for intelligent debate (lol)

[@chinesepeacock229]

My brother and I have frequently commented that one good thing about having already lost both our parents was that neither one of our parents had to face this situation alone. I'm also very grateful that my in-laws have been healthy at home so far.

[@sookibeulah9331]

Yes, it’s the one thing that’s made me glad my parents died when they did.

[@alexanderklimenko1809]

Dear John, very sorry to hear about the loss of your father. These are difficult times. Thanks for your thoughtful and objective coverage -- I guess you have provided more useful and accurate information to the world than the WHO. As to the positive correlation between death and lockdowns, it is most likely that higher rates of hospitalisation and havier death tall result in stricter lockdowns and not vice versa. The public simply agrees to more constraints when feels threatened. Correlation does not necessarily mean causation.

[@julieo4580]

I think it’s important to include the mental health and domestic abuse issues that increased in the US. And kids who were only getting fed at school and they went to remote learning so they were not getting nutritious meals. I know for my niece who is 10 now losing that in person interaction and in class learning was extremely difficult.

[@antiussentiment]

This may be a thing particular to US folk. Here in Australia life expectancy rose by 2.7 years and suicides and domestic violence dropped (which was unexpected at the beginning of all this).

[@neighborhoodcatlady6094]

The only children I heard of dying were 4 children who committed suicide. Did any of the geniuses pushing lockdowns consider this side effect?

[@christophervanzetta]

@Gorgeous Greg You’re absolutely correct. Kids who struggle work harder at obtaining a life revolved around reducing potential struggles. All of the spoiled people I know don’t have near the things I do because I work my ass off for everything I have and value it a lot more.

[@unkownUtopia27]

Many schools (a an example, here in Juneau, AK, and in New Paltz, NY - two personal observations) provided free meals throughout. Here in Juneau, school busses full of boxes lunches, with crazy levels of precautions, went out to neighborhoods...

[@julieo4580]

@@antiussentiment possibly could be just the US. We have pretty pathetic systems here for our schools and our kids who are in shitty homes. So lockdown just led to abuse not being reported since kids are home with the abuser. The mental and physical health problems from lockdown are far outweighing any “benefit” from it.

[@pk6990]

My sincere condolences John on the passing of your father. Our thoughts are with you and your family during this difficult time. Best wishes from Australia 🇦🇺

[@delsijoy705]

Sorry to hear that your father spent his last months separated from his family because of the pandemic. That had to be difficult. We are very grateful for you sharing your research and compassion, especially in the midst of that painful time. Thank you.💜

[@carlsimpson8050]

Of course, the elephant in the room is the massive collateral health damage. Hopefully, future papers will be able to quantify this. Personally, I think the damage was entirely foreseeable, which means there are grounds for criminal negligence actions. On early lockdowns’ to flatten the curve’ these were not unreasonable and should have been as short as possible - as indeed advised by the WHO adviser on Covid19, Dr Navarro.

[@yourhealthinformer6948]

Especially the measures should be adequate...and done by experts in the health domain, not ECONOMISTS

[@yourhealthinformer6948]

Especially the measures should be adequate...and done by experts in the health domain, not ECONOMISTS

[@colty7764]

many unable to see the big picture. They panic and do very foolish things. Fear induces panic and results in disaster. Many were deluded by the "experts" who could not put things in perspective. Biblically, 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 versuses 10-12 summarizes the last couple of years I think.

[@pierluigidipietro8097]

Just add in catastrophically wrong predictions by models. Models that were made by people that were caugth trasgressing the same lockdown they helped to impose, one of them caught while visiting his extra marriage love affair... My personal opinion is that science has very little to do with restrictions and lockdowns

[@philosophpascal]

@@yourhealthinformer6948 500 million more peeps in poverty should be worth mentioning too. life is not about pure survival and getting as old as possible no matter what

[@chrissiestevens1001]

Early in the pandemic I read an article that Alberta, Canada had a pandemic response written by a retired armed services officer & paid for in early 2000s. This was ignored and our government chose to make an entirely new response on the fly. The original response had concentrated on protecting the vulnerable population and did not involve locking anything down.

[@riggersHDFTW]

Isolate the vulnerable until treatments are available and keep the economy running, sounds like common sense. If the vulnerable decide to not isolate as they do not want to stay inside forever then allow them to take other precautions like masks etc

[@RabJ208]

Once upon a time, the "conspiracy theorists" were telling you that lockdowns don't work....and guess what...we were right all along. Guess you should have "followed the science" 🤣

[@truthteller356]

@@RabJ208 Its a shame. Really is. It's frustrating because you can't reason with unreasonable people.

[@memebump7612]

@@RabJ208 Did u even finish the video?

[@ironclaw6969]

@@truthteller356 Yes, we've found that over the past few years that the lockdowners and mask karens are very unreasonable.

[@arleenm7367]

Thank you for this discussion. What I've found lacking (by officials and media) was that almost no attention has been given to correcting co-morbidities that can be improved. In other words getting people to lose weight, eat healthier foods, exercise etc. Most of the people in hospitals were obese. It seems many "economic interests" don't want people to give up their unhealthy junk food (subsidized by taxpayers) way of eating and living. I bet these economists wouldn't dare to study the effects unhealthy lifestyle on these co-morbidities, and it's connection to Covid.

[@directmessage9246]

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[@MilwaukeeWoman]

Many poor people in the US are lucky to afford any food, let alone healthy food. Long term weight loss from any intervention is not found among any method. It would take public health initiatives that would be be fought by too many groups. People will drive their cars to their suburban driveways and order a pizza. Working hours are too long for most to have the energy to cook.

[@douglasrichardson4953]

Your post absolutely targets the real issue. We are becoming a weak and unhealthy species vulnerable to illness and early death and this is what needs to be addressed.

[@ms-jl6dl]

Yes they would if they can get that study funded. And therein lies the problem. We're two years into pandemic and still no finished study about the ivermectin.

[@Maggia1981]

Strongly agree. Moreover, we know that Sars-Cov2 doesn't profliferate well outdoors, if at all. Hence, the advice to keep buildings well ventilated. So, in what way does lockdown align with this fact? Then there is the well known benefit of vitamin D and various taboo theraputics. We tried to stop the virus by reducing our innate abilities to fight the virus off and by seemingly underplaying the risks people faced from comorbidities and poor diet. With the exception of Sweden the West acted in myopic unison, frightened to question so called orthodoxy....what a disaster that turned out to be.

[@anneliesaiking-taylor276]

Just thinking - late lockdowns were imposed BECAUSE cases, hospitalizations, and deaths went up in that area. So that provides an unavoidable positive correlation between late lockdowns and deaths (which would go on during the lockdown because of the delay). To me personally it seems that using this unavoidable correlation as sort of proof that lockdowns were ineffective, seems completely unscientific. It's like comparing the amount of frozen toes on the North Pole with the amount of frozen toes in the tropics, and concluding that snow boots are ineffective, because people wearing snow boots in the Arctic suffered as least as many frozen toes as people who didn't wear them in the Tropics. I (in the Netherlands) saw time after time that lockdowns pushed the graph line back down quite effectively.

[@oskat8981]

Annelies Aiking-Taylor late lockdowns was because of insane leaders that wanted to go for herd insanity, pest from God is not to taken lightly if we all don't change and embrace the new normal it might be the end of humanity, we are being tested by our great lord and the ones keep believing no matter how hard life may become will have eternal life in our father kingdom.

[@gaijinhyuga]

I think what you fail to notice is that even though the more strict countries rose restrictions exactly when the pandemic would get worse, there were other places that didn't do this when facing the same issue. Comparing results between the two could lead to the conclusion that lockdowns do not work if you could notice no difference at all. To my knowledge, a quick look at ourworldindata provides very concrete evidence that this is the case.

[@alexs7671]

The whole point is that the way lockdowns were implemented did more harm than good. We still have not counted the full cost. The incidence graphs decreasing after late lockdowns, can have several epidimeological causes, and it is just as difficult in essence to prove causation and not just correlation. Several independent epidemiologists have addressed this issue.

[@DavidDiepenbrock]

I completely agree (and posted similarly), the way this meta study was performed seems problematic because lockdowns were reactive. What instead needed to happen was to compare different parts of the world (countries, states, cities, etc.) which imposed different restrictions in the face of similar case trajectories for similar variants (i.e. in the same general time period). That might provide information which we can draw conclusions on, with respect to the effectiveness of lockdowns.

[@bernardkoppes4401]

Wrong! Lockdowns always were imposed near peaks. So cause and effect are muddled. Lockdowns were a total waste. Brazil had no lockdowns. Mortality ended up the same as the UK! The study is correct.

[@1CCJAM]

My son aged in his 20’s lived through the world’s harshest and longest lockdown in Melbourne. By the end of it his mental health was a mess. From afar we had to talk him through thoughts of suicide and self harm. Due to state borders being closed we could not get to him, and he could not get to us easily. If the lockdown had gone on any longer he would have continued to decline. Happy to say he is doing OK now. The manufacturing of consent for these lockdowns in the media, and the blind acceptance of them in my social circles scared the hell out of me.

[@TheBestNameEverMade]

.016% (1 in over 6000) of Australians population has died from covid-19 verse .27% of the US population (1 in just under 400). It's pretty clear that lockdowns in Melbourne worked and saved the rest of Australia. WA still doesn't have much covid-19. They didn't even have covid-19 for many months and were able to get to vaccinations before covid-19 really started to spread.

[@debe3838]

So sorry to hear, you must have been so distraught yourselves. Sadly it is the ill affect on Mental and Emotional health that has not only been neglected, it has been completely disregarded and will most likely last long after the pandemic. In what I have seen on the news from Victoria over here in the west, it was so obvious that many were literally going stir crazy. becoming a danger to themselves or others and being blamed for their "bad behaviour" so very, very wrong. It is also happening & rapidly growing here. I am glad to hear you were able to help him from a distance and he is recovering well again now.

[@mightymochi6320]

@@TheBestNameEverMade Stop eating up bs msm feeds you and learn to think for yourself. All of this is about imposing more control on the public and in turn gaining more power. You’re part of the problem.

[@whatevayalike]

@@TheBestNameEverMade way more variables involved ,your reasoning is crude and insulting to be honest,you havent taken into account population total or population density and many other factors.

[@jamesfielden4935]

@@TheBestNameEverMade CItations for numbers?

[@lisamcclease-kelly6248]

We were just having a conversation with a teacher. She was saying they are completely stressed out and so are the kids. I have friends with school age kids that are suicidal. Staff are the most unhappy they have ever been. Like your father, a friend died alone in a care home. He lost hope when we wouldn't visit him in person. There has been a HUGE cost to this. I understand that this is real, I almost lost my husband to it, but the cost of the lockdowns were too much in my opinion. Thank you for your constant, fair and balanced videos. You have been the source that I trust during the last year or so.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Didn't this study conclude "Those who died would have died anyway"? You can't have it both ways.

[@MilwaukeeWoman]

If your husband had died because the hospitals were overrun you'd have lost him. Your father should have believe you COULDN'T see him, not that you WOULDN'T.

[@rabj5641]

Once upon a time, the "conspiracy theorists" were telling you that lockdowns don't work..and guess what...we were right all along. Guess you should have "followed the science" 🤣

[@itsaustraliadayeveryday7234]

Borders work, Lock downs don't

[@pesnevim1626]

My daughter and many of her friends have been very negatively affected by these lock downs. We have made the young suffer for no reason.

[@chelsealouise3203]

The lockdown affected me massively with my mental health, seeing residents I’ve cared for pass away , being autistic and not being able to fully understand the pandemic when it first started and my routine was completely out of whack. The fear of losing my job when I couldn’t get vaccinated due to my allergies.

[@prestige8161]

And all for something without any merit whatsoever. There is no legitimate evidence of a "new disease". To make such a claim, the illness would need have some kind of unique clinical symptom(s) and/or be testable with a valid method. What most people don't realize is that "c - 0 - v!d" doesn't have ANY unique symptoms AND the tests being used to "diagnose" people have never undergone any validation studies, which means they're entirely meaningless. Misleading really. In other words, "c - 0 - v!d" is a rebadge & relabeling of pretty much any, nothing (no symptoms at all), and everything; namely the flu.

[@wboyle9721]

I've been against lock downs from the beginning the virus was in the air plus it leads to mental health best from Glasgow Scotland

[@elainelong9024]

@@prestige8161 I totally agree with you!!! This started as COVID19 - Which means it had19( at least) before it! I am 81 yrs old, have worked in hospitals nearly all my life, have been exposed to things that didn't have names when they first started, and there were NO lockdowns. Even earlier, I was through the polio times BEFORE the vaxs ! One of our classmate came down with it.. After she got out of hospital, a group of her school friend and I would go visit her at noon !! I worked in hospital labs from 21 yrs old to about 60yrs old.. After that, I spent 9 yrs working in an Animal Hospital.. The ONLY time I have had a VAX was for polio (after there was one! ) and one in 1961 that I had a reaction that put me out cold four 4 days and weak for weeks. I must have a good case of resistance due to being exposed to everything..

[@childofthe60s100]

Your comment is sad - but off target!

[@craigm5713]

Thats tough. Hope you are doing better now?

[@chuckmaddison2924]

In Western Australia we had lockdowns, state and smaller area border closure. We can see a massive difference between WA and the east so I think it's safe to say it worked.

[@mattcecil6692]

I mean, depends on whether you listen to the media or not. Many people I know in WA would tell you otherwise and could back it up. WA is also not a fair assessment when the population density isn't like smaller states such as Victoria or even NSW. You seem to think we haven't been in lockdown over here, when in fact we've been heavily locked down.

[@joecoolioness6399]

@@mattcecil6692 It is very difficult to compare 2 places since as you stated, there are multiple factors like population density, etc.

[@finkum09]

Some thoughts, my belief is that there is not so much a growing anti-science feeling in the US but a growing lack of trust in the bureaucrats who claim to be the purveyors of science and who have made claims and recommendations which turn out to be false and which you were castigated for if you questioned. The modeling for example turned out to be useless, the lack of focus on therapeutic and immune system health. Also, note that there was excess hospital capacity built up that never got used in the US (and the UK too I believe). e.g. hospital ships sent to NY and LA, emergency care facilities built out of tents all of which sat idle.

[@RabJ208]

Once upon a time, the "conspiracy theorists" were telling you that lockdowns don't work...and guess what...we were right all along. Guess you should have "followed the science" 🤣

[@whaleoilbeefhooked3892]

The anti-science movement is probably due to trusting the bureaucrats who trusted 'selective' science. With no 'balanced' science allowed for public debate by the masters of science in early 2020, the people have learned they cannot trust ANY source science. For example, the original SARS-CoV-2 strain itself has not yet been bioscientific peer reviewed as being isolated, purified and demonstrated to cause a highly contagious human to human disease stemming from a sample taken from an infected human in a process free from Vero-E2 cell culture (cytoplasmic toxicity derived from the source kidney of an African green monkey).

[@ironclaw6969]

When a "scientist" says the science is settle and no questions are allowed, that person is no scientist as science has never been settled.

[@norsk54472]

you mean it matters "who counts the science"?

[@odradekk]

So we should have put people in boats without medical personal, so that you could go smoke cigars with your pals at the restaurant???

[@roweenie]

A total lockdown is only useful when applied at the IMMEDIATE onset of an outbreak (which in effect was impossible from the get-go because we were not alerted by those who were first exposed until it was already too late) - I was all in for “15 days to stop the spread” - once we got one month into it, it was obvious that “the horse was out of the barn” and stopping the spread was impossible. At that point, our focus should have been moved to protect those that were MOST vulnerable, not just POSSIBLY vulnerable.

[@jannyjan90]

Yes, indeed and I suspect that part of the reason some of the countries who enacted quick but strict lockdowns weren't included in the study is because they aren't over their pandemic yet... The likes of Australia and New Zealand have taken strong actions but they can't begin to say its over for them yet

[@roweenie]

Our course of action was also influenced by the horrific early stats we were receiving from Italy (a country with an inordinately large population of vulnerable people), and the flawed and grossly inaccurate projections made by the Imperial College in London. Once this information was ingrained in the public’s minds, no amount of logic or “science” could turn the ship around.

[@vlcheish]

The point of lockdowns was just to slow infections down enough not to overburden hospitals/clinics. Lockdowns did work to accomplish that. Simple litmus test is that the winter of 2020 was the first year there was no actual flu season. The flu basically disappeared from any real measurable tracking because of lockdowns and now in 2021 winters as lockdowns vanished flu season is ramping back up. Lockdowns do slow things down immensely. With that said the initial response back in spring 2020 was idiotic when they were shutting down parks and having masks outside as that was completely stupid since virus transmission outside is extremely low.

[@thomashauer6804]

someone needs to send the police into the imperial college of london ..especially after 2020..first the 10 fold overblown death predictions (the basis for every western government enforcing their new laws and measures)..and now this fantasy lockdown prediction...

[@JJ-vz1cx]

A lockdown is only useful when the INFECTION and CASE R0 are roughly equal and below 1. In most cases, the infection R0 is a multiple to an order of magnitude larger than the case R0.

[@acharper6964]

I recall that the first lockdown in the UK was implemented to 'flatten the curve' i.e. to spread out the deaths over a longer time not, to save lives in total. So avoiding hospital overload and increased consequential deaths should be factored in... economically, medically, and politically. Tricky.

[@insertrandomnamehere764]

But we also have to factor in the depression that lead to suicides, alcoholism, and smoking. My guess is the lockdowns actually killed more than it saved from overloaded hospitals early on.

[@Caladbolg_EN]

Yes, and that's why it should have been 2 weeks of a lockdown. Perhaps overall 4 or 6 weeks (in 2 week-long parts) at the scarier points in time. But what did happen in GB and in the (almost) entire world has been a travesty.

[@tonycatman]

"Flattening the curve" to avoid overwhelming health services was the only sensible policy anyone could have adopted. You can't actually "save a life". We are all going to die. It is a meaningless phrase we have adopted. What you can do is add extra years to a life. A lockdown can have the opposite effect. For example you could catch the virus for the first time at the age of 35, and maintain lifelong immunity through continuous exposure, dying at 70. Or you could wait 15 years, catching it at 50, and never reach 70. It's clear to me that people in good health should actively be seeking to contract the virus.

[@carriec.9834]

@@insertrandomnamehere764 we call it “deaths of despair” and those lives lost are difficult to calculate.

[@Ryan-ce1oc]

Yeah this study is complete garbage. It's not possible to analyse the effect of the lockdowns with a single metric measuring stringency. There are far too many variables at play with general social behaviour, timing, etc etc. This study is the type of work a first year statistics student would come up with.

[@pa486]

Sorry to hear that John. I was in a similar situation during lockdown 1, didn’t really see my dad til the last 2 weeks before he died, late July. I feel these situations were one of the most barbaric aspects of the pandemic

[@normandunford5747]

Lockdowns, a totally unnecessary expense for a flu virus derivative. It was invented by the Chinese to control their population. China is overpopulated ,they had to do something to control the situation. Problem was they cocked it up and spread it worldwide. Even so it was only a flu derivative!!

[@helenedobbs818]

So sorry about you dad John, my father has had a pretty serious stroke and is pretty much disabled, and in the 1st lockdown I could only do his shopping, drop it off and leave, I'm not sure he understood it, and I know 100% his MH suffered massively

[@manishhb7864]

what happened to his father?

[@MilwaukeeWoman]

And if you went in and brought him Covid how would his and your mental health have been? You'd have felt guilt forever and he would have died alone in a hospital.

[@scottmyers9360]

@@MilwaukeeWoman yes, if we all just do exactly the right things we'll all be immortal in our own little bubbles

[@wboyle9721]

Sorry to hear we made the point to visit an elderly relative to make sure she was OK I was like it's family I'm not abandoning anyone

[@wboyle9721]

@@MilwaukeeWoman yes just abandon a family member and think of yourself older people like company no way would I leave an elderly relative everyone took governments word as gospel as they had party's

[@kandamy1]

In the UK one of the problems of our lockdowns was that the most vulnerable remained the most exposed. As a fit adult I could easily remain at home, but I was never at much risk from the virus. My severely disabled sister was, though, but her disabilities meant that she continued to need her team of about 12 care workers to carry on working their shifts and so was much more exposed. As it happens, she got Covid and recovered but for many less fortunate vulnerable people the outcome was not so good. I don't know how this outcome could have been avoided because the very people who need care are also the most vulnerable.

[@giaafshar8419]

the people caring for her could have made sure they had a proper mask on and had clean hands before touching your sister she would not have gotten covid. this is just what we do in the hospital. not giving others a virus is possible

[@LeoRegum]

@@giaafshar8419 It is slightly worrying to me that people working in hospitals believe this to be the case.

[@directmessage9246]

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[@wboyle9721]

Best to your sister yes the vunreble were neglected sorry to hear wishing you all the best 👍 regards from Glasgow

[@rattylol]

The only person in our close family that got covid (twice) was my thoroughly vaccinated mother in law imprisoned in a care home where we couldn't visit.

[@bwigfors]

Please receive my sincere condolences, John. Relating to today's topic: A very interesting country to look at now is Sweden. Never locked down fully. Worked to delay the impact. Worked under the assumption that everyone would eventually get Corona and that 98% would be minimally affected. From a mental health perspective, Sweden is best off among all comparable countries. Interestingly, mortality took some hits especially in the two first waves, but at this stage Sweden fares well if looking at the overall pandemic. Three other counties that have managed well in comparison to all other developed western countries: Finland, Norway and Iceland. Add your favourite Denmark and the common denominator is that they're all Nordic countries.

[@justinburch]

Canada is a Nordic type country and we are royally screw up here.

[@Tranarpnorra]

For once I'm happy to live in Sweden as the restrictions here were pretty mild. For me, nothing really changed. I went about my day as usual, going to work, going grociery shopping e t c. Saw a mask here or there but that was peoples own personal choice. Saw plexiglass come up here and there in shops. Now in three days, Feb 9th, most restrictions will be gone. I feel sorry though for all people living under hellish conditions due to mandates and other craziness. Concerning deaths, looking at the statistics, we didn't do very bad compared toother crazy mandates all around the world. The d e a t h count also needs to be addressed as anyone entering a hospital checking C19 postive gets counted into the official d e a t h count even if they're there for a broken bone, cancer, needing stiches for an injury and so on. Personally, I think that countries that had lockdowns introduced a ton more problems than they solved. I e, it just made things a lot worse in other areas and we're gonna feel the repercussions of it for a long time to come, all over the world.

[@PaulWMurray32]

@@justinburch in weather yes, but not culturally or in government style

[@mariamiguel1636]

Lockdowns just creates huge economical and mental health problems. They most certainly do not work and they should never have been implemented.

[@mikehall6285]

@@mariamiguel1636 They most certainly do work. John says as much towards the end of the video. By this time most people have switched off having got their daily fix.

[@Beck.turnip]

I live in Florida and have been a nurse through the entire covid pandemic. I have seen no noticeable difference from one wave to the other regarding how overrun we were. The same pattern occured with admissions regardless of how strictly we locked down at first versus how freely open we are now. And that is taking into account how transmissible omicron is! So I strongly disagree with lockdowns. The damage has been too great and we have only just seen the tip of the iceberg as far as what we have done to our economy here in America.

[@SuperDflower]

Even w Delta?

[@AndrewEddie]

Anecdotally, more northerly locations in Australia also fared better. So it could be that the climate zone is or was a variable to take into account. I don't think there is a simple one-size-fits-all answers to whether lockdowns were effective. The initial lockdowns were effective in Australia and New Zealand pre-delta. But I think as transmissibility increases, the usefulness of lockdowns decrease. Unfortunately New Zealand is still trying to officially follow an elimination strategy which I think is somewhat wishful thinking now.

[@mattcecil6692]

@@AndrewEddie Australia early on fared better. Later in the piece though, we have not done well under lockdown. Frankly, the restrictions have made a mess of the country.

[@AndrewEddie]

@@mattcecil6692 yes, restrictions have, but there was never an option to avoid a mess of some kind. It's all about what people were and weren't willing to trade off. There's no way of handling this that could please 100% of the people 100% of the time.

[@JBoy340a]

How hard did Florida lockdown? It seems like not half as much as some other states I bet.

[@CM-hu4sv]

The biggest difference and key factor between the Flaxman Imperial college of London study and this study is that this accounted for voluntary behaviour. Early in the pandemic some people were highlighting that when a consensus around societal behaviour forms people abide by these new norms. So lockdowns do feel like they were not calculated properly. In some countries beaches and parks were closed resulting in indoor congregation. Many businesses were lost. Many diseases and illnesses went undetected and untreated

[@jennysaranac4454]

Clues that should have given away the lack of intellect behind this scamdemic. This was never about public health. 1: The recommendation to use Anti-BACTERIAL soap as a preventative measure. Fun Fact: Anti-bacterial soap is 100% INEFFECTIVE against viruses. There exists Anti-viral soaps, and they are readily available, but were ANY of them recommended? 2: The mandatory use of masks without the OBVIOUS improvement NEEDED to make them GENUINELY effective against particle the size of a virus. N95 masks, by far the best mask outside of an ICU, filters out 95% of airborn particles. The 5% of particles it doesn't filter out? Those particles smaller than the size of the pores in the mask membrane. An N95 mask has pores 300 Nanometers wide. The size of the Covid19 virus? From 80 to 120 Nanometers wide. Do the math. One analogy is, IF the virus was a little wider than 1ft diameter, then the basketball hoop would be about 3ft in diameter, a little wider than the official width. Another way is imagine a person relying on a chainlink fence in an attempt to try to keep out mosquitoes (instead of simply using mosquito netting). As for cloth masks, it is simply a means to identify those that should have a light bulb stapled to their forehead, signifying that this person prefers OTHERS tell them what to think. .

[@garyangelstad5212]

I don't know why you would put this report out. As you have stated, this report isn't taking the heath into account. Ifs strictly from an economic standpoint. All health problems only provide economic benefit for the providers of health care. Sick people don't generally make money. A report that is cherrypicking data to suit an outcome only serves to lessen the reputation of the reader and the author

[@CLFL14256]

@@jennysaranac4454 way too simple

[@jennysaranac4454]

Either the covid vaccines work or they don't. Overwhelming evidence demonstrates that the covid vaccines have failed to curb transmission, and there are other EFFECTIVE strategies that do not rely SOLELY on Big Pharma's sale products to promote public health. Why has the KNOWN effectiveness of vitamin D and Zinc never been mentioned by the Corporate News, mouthpieces for Big Pharma? The fact that the vax was NOT donated to poor countries shows that the actual goal was NOT to promote public health. What's the ethical, scientific, and logical justification to force the entire planet to receive a product made by habitually criminal companies who aren't liable for injury or death, when the product doesn't even stop transmission? It was NEVER true that the covid19 virus was ever going away, vaccine or not. What do the vaccinated and unvaccinated have in common? Neither will ever be immune from new strains of Covid. Eventually, EVERYONE is going to get it. The agencies funded by Big Pharma and the politicians funded by Big Pharma are on the news networks funded by Big Pharma, spewing information for why you should trust Big Pharma. There is a minimal threshhold of cognitive ability required to recognize that the corporate media has been systematically lying to you 24/7 for the past 58+ years. As for the mob of shamefully misinformed mammalian failures - who clearly don't meet that minimum cognitive threshhold - but feel the pressing need to uncritically parrot what they've been told to think by the corrupt corporate media.. “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” ~MLK Hint: People with psychopathic authoritarian tendencies - those who advocate for censorship or unconstitutional mandates, for instance - should try to remain silent so they don't reveal their sick, perverted, Seig Heil, jackbooted thoughts. The corporate narrative will continue to tell those with their 15th booster to focus their HATE on your neighbor that has only had the 14th booster... Feel free to share. .

[@albionpendragon2285]

@@garyangelstad5212 Well, I don’t think it is cherry picking at all. This study addresses the problem from a specific perspective. Other studies will examine other metrics. The whole will give us a reasonable picture at the end. Something of note is that confinements caused economic mayhem. This alone will have a tremendous impact on public health for the decade to come. In this aspect, we can say confinement did more damages than they solved the problem they were supposed to solve.

[@Tommmmi768]

As a person who lives alone the isolation almost killed me. I’ve had to pay for therapy out of pocket to not go completely insane. The NHS mental services are an absolute joke. My depression spiralled to the point of feeling seriously suicidal.

[@louiseswell2044]

I agree it's really hard for people on their own. I am sorry you have suffered this way. I'm on my own as well and unless you're in that situation nobody else understands what it's like. Say they do understand but trust me they don't

[@tulefogger5169]

agreed. these lockdowns were a very bad psycho-social experiment on us all. Ourselves, our friends, our siblings, our parents, our neighbors, our cousins, our colleagues, or geriatric population. #pharmagreed

[@paulatudor691]

I self isolated myself except for my family and a few friends. Didn’t keep me from catching it .Now I do have a small inside dog and one outside wild cat that I feed. I wore my mask in the public and social distancing. I was unvaccinated.

[@MrRobertFarr]

😜👍😍💌😘🤦🤩😍🤗🤪🤬

[@DD-jm5ug]

I was on the waiting list for just under 2 years for NHS mental health help 🤔

[@LeePatekar]

We all emptied hospitals expecting a flood of pantients that never materialized.. we had ticktock nurses bored at work fooling around. Had we not locked down how many patients needing surgeries and cancer screenings would be alive today, or not dying today?

[@ballapalleballe]

Call Sweden. There were no lock down.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@ballapalleballe And the Swedish death rate per head capita is 6x that of Norway. Go figure.

[@rabj5641]

Once upon a time, the "conspiracy theorists" were telling you that lockdowns don't work..and guess what...we were right all along. Guess you should have "followed the science" 🤣

[@ballapalleballe]

@@rogerstarkey5390 There is an extreme difference in population composition between Norway & Sweden (socio economic & cultural due reasons that are topic for another disussion). Don't make the misstake to assume they are in particular similiar just because you find the 2 close to each other on the map. Its just as relevant to compare Belgium vs Sweden, as it is to compare Norway with Sweden. Go figure.

[@robcanad]

@@ballapalleballe So it's the population composition that resulted in 6x number of deaths?

[@jasonerb6886]

It didn’t take a rocket scientist to know that the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions were going to get hit the hardest. People in this high risk category should have been protected and notified of their heightened risk. However, political correctness and those who’d have screeched “discrimination” at the suggestion these high risk people should have been the ones to stay home and take extra precautions vs. dividing the workforce up into essential and non-essential workers was the first of many mistakes that were made. This is how the initial lockdowns should have been handled ... protect the most vulnerable and let the healthiest people keep the economy rolling. Once the vaccines were available, those who’d been at a heightened risk could get vaccinated and begin living life normally again. This has been my position from the beginning, and I’ve seen no evidence to change my mind over the past 20+ months.

[@Gracelumos]

There were also harmful effects of the lockdowns and pro covid procedures which were denying help to many people sick with anything else than covid. If people with covid were not treated as priority over cancer patients, serious heart problems patients, and other serious diseases, then many of those people would have not died as they would have received the care in time. So it cannot be accounted one way as an assumption that those procedures saved some lives. It only changed the priorities and those were not always intended to save the most critical patients.

[@chrleschan8790]

If you had covid19 and needed to be hospitalized or admitted to icu, would you have elected to stay home and die so that hospitals can keep up with routine treatments?

[@cpnlsn88]

You're advocating turning away the sick and dying from hospitals to perpetuate care as usual for other categories. What kind of world is this?

[@dorkangel1076]

If your were in need of that care and caught covid in hospital it would likely have killed you.

[@endintiers]

Eastern Australia has had some of the longest and strictest lockdowns in the world. Overall death rates (from all causes) have gone down, life expectancy has gone up. The suicide rate has gone down (as it often does in times of crisis). Road traffic deaths down, Australia had 1 (One!) death due to Influenza in 2021(in October).

[@trippmoore]

@zi min💘💋 best comment here

[@RussCR5187]

My problem with the debate over this study, and even with the study itself, is that it distracts attention away from a more important concern. The study should not have been necessary in the first place. The government's initial pandemic response downplayed early pharmaceutical interventions, and in particular the testing of repurposed drugs. That's the real story here, in my opinion. Adequate funding was never provided for investigating such drugs. Independently developed protocols, using IVM, hydroxy, and an array of over-the-counter anti-virals and immune system boosters (like vitamin D), had been discovered quite early in the pandemic. These protocols proved very successful at preventing serious illness and death. But the public health agencies basically ignored that avenue. Even worse, they mounted disinformation campaigns against the repurposed drugs once word got out, including shoddy trials "proving" them ineffective. Arguably, the need for lockdowns could have been eliminated, or at least drastically reduced, if the powers that be had aggressively pursued early pharmaceutical interventions. THAT is the real story here.

[@yt.personal.identification]

Arm chair doctors with Kellogg's degrees on pharmaceutical research.

[@kcb8130]

@@yt.personal.identification seems like you're describing the "leaders" of public health agencies, yes?

[@thecatatemyhomework]

10,000 thumb's up for you 👍

[@penponds]

Actual the (much) bigger story is one level deeper than acknowledging the fact that the govt’s initial response downplayed early pharma interventions etc, and that is WHY governments were so implacable in their active opposition to alternative / complementary “public health strategies”. Sadly, I can conclude it’s those old evil twins, Power ‘n’ Money that give us the answers.

[@lukefrahn8538]

I've been saying this for 12 months. People don't realise there was an alternative strategy, and one that seems more and more logical in hindsight. I suspect Government's commitment to the one-size-fits-all, vaccination-only approach came with certain conditions and quotas, likely from their world bank creditors or big pharma themselves. Essentially, a vaccine mandate was imposed by higher powers preventing humanity from actually TREATING the disease. A true crime against humanity and the story of the century (thus far).

[@iankelly5797]

When you walk home late at night and always take the same route, but sometimes your instinct tells you to take another way? Well my instinct has always said that thing has stunk from day one, and I haven't been disappointed once. This is either stupidity on a global scale or this was meant to happen. I have twins who will be 19 in March and the best years of their lives have mostly been in some kind of dystopian nightmare. This will never be forgotten.

[@rowan7658]

Totally agree with you, well said.

[@directmessage9246]

Thanks for watching send a direct message right away on the above number immediately ☝️.☝️for insights..!!!

[@rabj5641]

Once upon a time, the "conspiracy theorists" were telling you that lockdowns don't work..and guess what...we were right all along. Guess you should have "followed the science" 🤣

[@susan638]

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[@Karma-fp7ho]

I agree. The first whiff came when the scientists all agreed that Covid had nothing to do with the Wuhan Lab.

[@jennifergill357]

Another perspective that the authors didn’t explore was the fact that lockdowns forced private, white collar employers to allow their employees to work from home. This was not an act of compassion by the employers; they were forced. Perhaps white collar employers would have acted upon seeing mass illness in their offices-and perhaps not. Forcing employer flexibility eliminated potential workplace infections early in the pandemic, when treatments were less solid and hospitals were already crowded, and mitigated the economic impact that would have come with entire workplaces being “out sick” as we are seeing now with Omicron.

[@skippypeanutbutter9136]

yeah cuz 20 months to slow the spread was the hardest part of 2 weeks to slow the spread. This did nothing, if anything it delayed the inevitable and resulted in the same stupidity of politicizing treatment options, making pfizer a trillion dollars and drastically changing the political landscape to the benefit of authoritarian leftist trash

[@stefdriver]

Jennifer I think you are assuming this wasn’t a factor. The study includes “low stringency” cases, at least some of which in northern Europe had no such mandates, and no correlation was found.

[@CorvusHyperion]

A policy to work at home DID NOT require a coercive government lockdown

[@DrTomMD]

The focus was on COVID deaths. The total net is likely increased total deaths over the next 10 years due to legacy effects of LATE lockdowns (early lockdowns were more understandable in the midst of potential hospital overload and our US lack of testing access early in the first wave) will be untoward to say the least. Continuing lockdowns when they were - and are now in US - of no appreciable or provable benefits versus trusting the public with public health messaging while doing great harm (worsened hypertension, worsened T2 diabetes, worsened obesity, worsened depression, worsened alcohol intake, worsened domestic abuse and trauma with incaluable future ramifications, not to mention the overall decreased trust in vaccinations and the actual decrease in childhood vaccinations) is a very high risk versus benefit gamble. The price for long term government lockdowns, China style, even if they would have reduced death substantially (and I am not convinced of such here in United States where we have dramatically poor metabolic health) would have caused such a tremendous loss of freedom (and arguably not deaths long term) that we might as well expect junk food, alcohol and cigarettes to be immediately banned in order to save what are largely preventable 800,000 US heart disease deaths per year alone, not even including preventable cancers, the top 2 killers throughout the pandemic each year. We seem to have a problem accepting risk and our blend of myopic and binary thinking has distracted us from the fact that we accepted risk on a daily basis whether it is from a virus, from driving, from flying, from crossing the street whether walking or riding a bike and of course all those deaths mentioned in terms of high risk, heavily refined and processed nutrition, increased alcohol, smoking and so on. To be clear, there is an analogy to aerosolized death. There are approximately 400 infant deaths per year from secondhand smoke. That is an aerosolized form of death and should argue that we ban US smoking tomorrow based on the massively higher number of infant deaths from it versus Covid. Why do we not? Rhetorical question.

[@ye5331]

@@34bluedragon don't need to be an MD... so-called "conspiracy theorists" were saying this all along

[@michaelel650]

Fantastic stuff. In the UK Public Health has been thrown out the window due to the affect of lobbyists on a government focused on pandering to the rich and populist messaging to the 'people'. Thus anything that might annoy people by questioning current 'lifestyles', but really protect them and boost their immune systems, is ignored and not used, except to judge those most vulnerable and least able to help themselves, largely for systemic socio-economic reasons. In contrast anything that might make a profit, especially patented drugs, are marketed as the answer to health problems arising from our current socio-economic system and the health conditions that, in effect, it promotes, like mental health problems, respiratory illness and Type 2 diabetes etc. As you note. The evidence is all there in the literature. You seem to be as angry as I am about this, we have only known about this in the UK since 'The Black Report' (1981 as I remember see 'Inequalities in Health', 1983) the implications of which UK government's have studiously avoided to this date. Covid is just another bonanza for 'Big Pharma' to exploit and government's fiddle while public health burns. All power to you.

[@777Looper]

Paragraphs, sir. Make the organization of your thoughts visible.

[@Ryan-ce1oc]

This study is complete garbage. It's not possible to analyse the effect of the lockdowns with a single metric measuring stringency. There are far too many variables at play with general social behaviour, timing, etc etc. This study is the type of work a first year statistics student would come up with. It's laughable.

[@willtricks9432]

What he said, to prevent risk to the point you prevent life makes no sense. I climb trees with a chainsaw and have survived very bad flu but was banned from buying toys for the children in my family because 90 year olds with a virus were discharged from hospitals to care homes with a shortage of staff and no proper PPE. Cheers

[@Finalpresentationsfor]

You seem to have ignored the social impacts. The suicide rates, the cancer deaths, and other all-cause deaths, which rose because people were'n't going to doctors. The cost to education, mental health particularly among the young. Those are not economic costs--those are human costs.

[@lakesbiker7286]

Quite right of you to highlight the hidden cost of the lockdowns. Thank you.

[@pavlovssheep5548]

and how many of these deaths were falsely labeled covid deaths

[@XxxXxx-fm3wo]

Fruit for thought for future papers and we can always continue to study this.

[@annebritraaen2237]

But did it, though? Can you provide any numbers?

[@e4tm333]

Yes but that’s ok if it doesn’t affect the profits for the shareholders at big pharma and the compromised ministers giving contracts to their mates.

[@SDW90808]

They were very effective at putting the boot heel of gub’mint on the necks of the people. And it hasn’t been removed, in case no one has noticed.

[@Semelem]

Here in the states they only removed the stuff that helped people 😂

[@vincentsmith8328]

The lockdowns were VERY VERY EFFECTIVE..Thanks!!! They were effective in forcing populations to be compliant! They were effective in thinning the herd by causing distress, depression and anxiety which has lead and will lead to suicides, plus many future deaths from stress related future morbidities and illnesses not least cancers etc! They were effective in crushing the working mans independence by crushing his ability to set up and run his own business! They were effective in splitting families at their very heart with in family arguments etc!....should I go on??

[@RabJ208]

Once upon a time, the "conspiracy theorists" were telling you that lockdowns don't work....and guess what...we were right all along. Guess you should have "followed the science" 🤣

[@friskecrisps8038]

The strain on mental health has just been too great on everyone and I think after almost three years of COVID, a lot of people have just given up and gone into the mindset of “if I get it, I get it”. I feel especially bad for the middle school kids having to do distance learning. We are for sure going to see the drastic effects of this on them in the coming years

[@ainsleystevenson9198]

New Zealand will be a good study. We locked the boarder at the beginning and only had small outbreaks, which were quickly eliminated. Most of us only had a few weeks lockdown but one city had a few months. Mostly it has been two years of life as normal, with the exception of international travel. We have 52 deaths while Ireland (same size) has 6,200. We skipped the Delta outbreak and are going into Omicron with 90% vaccination. It will be interesting to compare NZ’s final deaths and economy with the rest of the world.

[@Tonhoo_MTL]

Excellent point !!!!

[@dr.emilschaffhausen4683]

Yes it will.

[@Bobrogers99]

Most other countries had to deal with the earlier and more deadly versions of the virus. By isolating the country, New Zealand bought time to vaccinate and now to face the milder Omicron. That should work out fine for you!

[@wendytweedie2327]

I know what you are saying as you could say the same about Australia but we haven’t discussed the negative effects either. If the government didn’t suppress early treatments this could have all been so different. And we still have mandates in place when many other countries are slowly opening up.

[@-Keith-]

I believe the reason those studies were excluded is because the writers of the study were looking at the effectiveness of lockdown once the virus is in circulation, not as a preventative measure. If you're an isolated island nation of 5 million people and can lock your borders (and actually enforce it) before community spread happens, of course that will sway the numbers for a post-infection meta analysis.

[@darrylpacholko5495]

The lack of proactive early treatment with a shelter in place order for the elderly and immune comprimised is why the pandemic stretched out as long as it has. The use of corticosteroids and protease inhibitors early on would have crushed the pandemic. Protect the vulnerable and have early treatment for the rest of us. We waited for vaccines that have some utility but promised really high and delivered really low. Early treatment was and is the key to this virus.

[@RabJ208]

Once upon a time, the "conspiracy theorists" were telling you that lockdowns don't work...and guess what......we were right all along. Guess you should have "followed the science" 🤣

[@jamesfiegel9675]

Wrong.

[@fabianapimentel6114]

Use of almost no therapeutic other than ventilators and redensevir (harmful drug according to a study made in 2019 for its use in Ebola cases) at hospitals made everything worse. It was a mass murder and they are still care it on here, it is unbelievable!

[@terrikrucina2023]

@@fabianapimentel6114 CHINESE VENTILATORS KILL. MASKS ARE CREATING RESPIRATORY ILLNESSES AND AFTER 2 YEARS THE CDC SAYS ARE INEFFECTIVE. AND SO ARE THE "VACCINES." THEY (CDC) CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF VACCINE DUE TO THEIR INEFFECTIVENESS.

[@douglasrichardson4953]

Thank you for providing this info. John. As a retired scientist I have despaired at many of the scientific opinions dressed as “follow the science” during the last two years. My over 20 years in university, civil service and pharmaceuticals led me always to believe hiding from a virus was never a sensible strategy. Lockdown were what we did in the days when we knew nothing better and should be consigned to history. Some of the advice given and decisions made have had such negative impact its bordering criminal negligence in my opinion. ☹️

[@TheBoomtown4]

Did you listen until the end where he said that overall he considers the cost of overwhelming hospitals to the point where people were dying outside them would have been too great to reasonably justify?

[@davebellamy4867]

@Justyn McDonald If policymakers were serious about "protecting the NHS" and "not overwhelming hospitals" everything would have been done to investigate all potential early therapies with the utmost urgency. Instead, the urgency was to prevent that attempted solution, at any cost. Almost every western world citizen was therefore subjected to a lottery where the ticket could be hospitalisation and possibly ventilation and death after 10 days stuck at home with zero treatment. This was exactly the thing to do if the government wanted to MAXIMISE the burden on the hospitals! So they did it. That would then justify the lockdown policy and the you know what. It would also maximise the fear in the population. Looking at the instigators, I cannot make myself believe that this was a "mistake" or a "misjudgment." Far too much wealth has been transferred for that to be likely. ... Every time I type lockdown for some reason on this phone it comes out as lickdown and I have to correct it!🤣 That's the only thing that makes me laugh about this evil madness.

[@johnm838]

So the protection of the public and attempts to ensure that hospitals weren't overloaded but could provide timely medical care should come second to ... what exactly?

[@betty-janececile5214]

Can't believe the whole medical world complied. what control

[@TheBoomtown4]

@@betty-janececile5214 is this sarcasm?

[@biancacox9699]

Thank Dr. Campbell …my husband is an Internist in the US and I work with him as a RN…thank for your calm and scientific demeanor 🙏🙏❤️

[@ClaytonCausey]

I think “were lockdowns effective” might be an imprecise question, at least from the perspective of someone living in Taiwan. We haven’t had any real restrictions on movement or even going to restaurants, etc. However, the borders of the whole island have been on lockdown in a sense. Of the only 19,000 cases we’ve had over the course of the pandemic, most were from abroad. Even Omicron can’t seem to take root as of yet, unless it’s massively asymptomatic here for some reason. The economy is doing great as a result of the successful handling of the situation, at least relative to the rest of the world.

[@ericmacrae6871]

I live on an Island as well and it is the exact same story here. There is only 1 bridge that comes from mainland Canada to PEI. What we see is that our cases were from people outside of people for the longest time and it wasn't until WELL into the pandemic that it started to spread inland. Which of course was the result of conservatives who refuse to listen to authority figures but rather went along with the whole open up the economy.

[@dwaynepenner2788]

Small islands with strict boarder control are an interesting potential control this study filtered out.

[@308_Negra_Arroyo_Lane]

Taiwan has extremely strict contact tracing. Anyone even remotely related to confirmed cases are automatically sent into quarantine. It's a useless study that doesn't take into consideration anything that is happening in real life.

[@308_Negra_Arroyo_Lane]

@Martin Baldwin-Edwards LMAO!!!! 24 million people and 50 million international arrivals and exits from just one airport per year is not a small island. If you've ever been there you know that EVERY single person wears a mask. Your idiotic theories compare two variables out of hundreds. Useless, as you are.

[@asdfds6752]

I am in Italian who lives in Sweden, where there has been no lockdown and nothing really mandated. Almost no one has been even using masks nor distancing. Apart from the initial wave of death in nursing homes, it has been an invisible pandemic. The comparison with Italy is incredible both in number of deaths, distruction of the economy and psycological damages to the population, especially elderly and children. I don't know what the reason is, but it is a shockingly different experience. I still belive one component is D vitamin, daily taken by tradition in the super dark Scandinavia and not typically integrated in Italy.

[@Tim-is-short]

The idea that a lockdown will work at all when, here in Canada, they allowed international flights to continue long after implementing lockdowns for businesses and households, is poorly thought out at best. It could hardly be called a lockdown at that point. Compound that with the insistence that schools could reopen safely because children were at low risk (despite the risk to the extended family and this is during the waves of the worst variants), then turn around and insist on vaccinating children during the mildest variant... well, you have a recipe for distrust over the Governments judgment. In my personal opinion, one of the worst consequences of this pandemic has not been the death toll, but the societal damage that came from politicizing it. Death is terrible, family members dying alone due to isolation measures is going to be a wound for many that may never really heal, but families tearing themselves apart because of the widespread efforts (on both sides) to turn this into a battle of ideologies... I don't know how we, as a society, recover from that. I have seen normal people turn so hateful that I'll never be able to see them in the same light again. Yet another divide, but unlike any I've ever seen. It's affected interpersonal relationships on a household level, but on a global scale. If we don't return to "normal" soon, we may lose the opportunity. Those gulfs are growing wider by the day. EDIT: I hadn't completed the video and was unaware of your Father's passing, all I can say is thank you for all you've done for us during this time and that your efforts and honesty are a tribute to your upbringing and a legacy I'm sure he would be proud of.

[@phillee2814]

Well, Canadians are now showing the world how to react to misgovernance, and it looks very likely that a change of government will result. CONVOY!

[@piningforpoetry3107]

But lockdowns also caused increased mortality. Especially in age group 15-54. Suicides, fatal car crashes, drug overdoses, fatal heart attacks due to not seeking emergency care, etc….A comprehensive study should be done taking many factors into account.

[@rkan2]

Not during the lockdowns themselves in most places though - excess deaths actually went down when people were moving less (kind of obviously tbh)

[@jpaton4258]

@@rkan2 you need to do more research, yes during lockdowns.

[@rkan2]

@@jpaton4258 I'll let others do the research - which will be very difficult to discern any exact truth about lockdowns really tbh. Excess deaths obviously went up on average regardless, but how would you ever attribute some to this and that..

[@Cytochrome8]

need evidence for that

[@Cytochrome8]

link to a peer-review paper or papers please

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

I’m sorry for your loss. I hope the best for you and your nearest and dearest. I had a disc replacement surgery in my neck in the middle of it all. I would have been paraplegic if I didn’t have that surgery. I’m more than grateful for the opportunity to get surgery through all of the hardship of healthcare system. It’s wild.

[@williamcrossan9333]

The cruelty in which so many Australian state governments behaved is genuinely heart breaking.

[@paulmitchell5349]

Great Barrington declaration .kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5DXq2V_l9qBfZI

[@Deliquescentinsight]

It is significant that many Epidemiologists from Oxford/HaRVARD/Stanford - notably the Great Barrington Declaration offered governments an alternative to the lockdown model, but they were ignored (willfully) we were given a wonderful model to manage this event: but they chose to ignore it.

[@timjansen7694]

I am an American. Very early on in the pandemic, when it was found that different people had different symptoms due to covid, I believed, and said, that those at risk we need to protect, the others can live normally. I also knew that in America if you give allowances to some people and not others, you may have hell to pay, particularly if you are a politician. So despite the science, I was never sure how to approach the pandemic in any kind of population/strategic way.

[@RabJ208]

Once upon a time, the "conspiracy theorists" were telling you that lockdowns don't work...and guess what...we were right all along. Guess you should have "followed the science" 🤣

[@truthteller356]

Tim, Yes..I always went to journalists in The UK or China Uncensored to get my info on symtoms as well. Many were silenced and killed. But, my approach from the beginning was natural immunity and it worked for us. Look at the pharma as well. They will have new boosters and new vaccines for a long time. They are money makers.

[@ironclaw6969]

That's an easy solution You protect the vulnerable to the extent that they want your protection and no more. My parents are in the most vulnerable group, however, they never wanted any protection and therefore fought any effort to provide said protection.

[@nigelh3253]

Yes, this was a pandemic that hit the over 60s badly and those with co-morbidities. If that had been identified earlier on and a more targeted approach could have been used. Many deaths occurred in care homes/nursing homes/state veteran homes. A more strategic and intelligent approach would have helped here. Rather we had population wide policies.

[@timjansen7694]

@@RabJ208 I don't think you understood my comment. I actually was following the science. Unfortunately, and as I said, following the science is not always possible due to social and cultural elements. Secondly, a conspiracy theory that just by chance happens to be correct does not mean that conspiracy theories are based on proper thought and we should ditch the "poisonous vaccines". Of course you might well believe the conspiracy theory that the virus is not real and is a hoax.

[@AG-iu9lv]

Excellent breakdown, as always. Thank you for differentiating between the perspectives and approaches of medical vs economic research interests. The economists in question are indeed very good at what they do, and so are you, John.

[@tommyfournier3138]

Did they add the extra yearly... -Cancer deaths because of missed diagnosis -Overdose -Suicide What about harm because of missed surgery. Having people pass away without seeing their loved ones. If you start adding up im pretty sure it's going to end up having more or less the same yearly number of people dying overall.?

[@RabJ208]

Once upon a time, the "conspiracy theorists" were telling you that lockdowns don't work...and guess what...we were right all along. Guess you should have "followed the science" 🤣

[@tanakaba]

The negative impacts are almost assuredly even higher, we won't know the total long term effects from the shutdowns resulting in millions gaining weight and/or becoming diabetic and all the associated disease that will result from it for years down the road. This study only showed the very short term effects, and once we factor in the long term I think the net benefit for these lockdowns will be unfortunately negative.

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

@@RabJ208 A conspiracy theory is just a spoiler for the movie we are all about to watch.

[@chrisjepson5050]

My mother died of cancer in March. She didn't let anyone know in 2020 when she became suspicious of symptoms. She was too scared of COVID to let anyone in her house or go to her GP. She would have lived a lot longer if she had had treatment. Don't anyone tell me lockdowns worked when the clearly didn't!

[@tamarasivertson333]

Sorry for your loss. Heart-wrenching knowing she and many others had to endure fear and pain alone. It is criminal.

[@bl8782]

Sorry for your loss. Very sad to know she suffered alone. We did lose our minds with this Covid “crisis”.

[@michellepatch2045]

The extent of the damage done by cases of which you speak of with your mother hasn't even begun to be counted in the world. It's a complete disgrace the medical community that is supposed to do no harm they've done it Knowingly and willingly and even if they didn't know , they know now and yet they still keep the same rhetoric going for political reasons and this alone disinvowes their oath of no harm , The 2 people Pfizer scientists walked away from Pfizer they knew then that this is way beyond medical well being .

[@SpectatorAlius]

@@michellepatch2045 You raise your tone to a fevered pitch blaming the doctors and lockdowns -- but you are *completely* worng. It was not the lockdown that causes this woman to die of cancer -- it was her own *bad* decision to avoid treatment that killed her. Such bad decisions did not start with covid or the lockdowns, but they certainly became more common. But does that "more common" imply covid lockdowns killed them. *NO* it does not.

[@chrisjepson5050]

@@SpectatorAlius wow! Just wow! Her 'bad decision!' Only respect for this channel has prevented me from having a right go at you. Lockdowns will have caused the deaths of thousands of people. The only bad decision made was by Government.

[@JaneAtwellRobinson1825NY]

That's the thing we can't quantify - things like what you and your father went through. So sorry to hear of your loss. I have friends who are unable to see their families in similar situations or who have more complicated caregiving situations because of these rules.

[@kaylemoine1571]

The most lucid, intelligent presentation. At the beginning, when the world didn’t know what we were dealing with, were necessary. When we knew what we were dealing with, they should have ended. Our states that didn’t lock down, are in no worse shape. The tradic side of this, old people were alone. Sad, sad.

[@skippypeanutbutter9136]

domestic abuse, poverty, loss of wealth and retirements, rampant inflation, gentrification of low income areas by residents fleeing horrible local/state policies, overwhelmingly corrupt wealth transfers to major corporations. Yeah the issue was never treatments, they knew they could treat it, it was about control.

[@samihyppia8472]

One more thing - I HONESTLY feel that we haven't learnt ANYTHING from this pandemic. We still HAVENT gotten on top of the labs where gain of function is being done. These labs need to be strictly regulated and forbidden to ANY gain of funcion [GOF]. The silence from biggest countries in the world is just TERRIFYING on this topic!!!

[@RabJ208]

Once upon a time, the "conspiracy theorists" were telling you that lockdowns don't work...and guess what...we were right all along. Guess you should have "followed the science" 🤣

[@hayley7090]

@@RabJ208 Are you a parrot?

[@RabJ208]

@@hayley7090 I'm a truth telling parrot 😉

[@bigture]

The key lesson we need to take away from this plandemic is to solve the issue of media control. if money can corrupt the media today, it can corrupt the media tomorrow. We need to think about what do we need to build now to stop the same thing from happening tomorrow? off the cuff, perhaps the solution lies in giving power back to the people. but that need to be designed into the political system. A system that seems to be getting unhinged by the failed monetary system that seek to equate money with value, but failing badly.

[@Bluepilled-c5t]

Absolutely. And what will the world do when a seriously deadly virus is released? We have learned very little.

[@TheDesertsweeper]

The lesson to be learned from Covid-19 is that everyone needs to understand their comorbidities clearly - and those at risk need to isolate. The rest of the world needs to just get on with it.

[@debbiekimpel8110]

The desertsweeper is right on what he said!! Totally agree!!

[@notlikely4468]

The lesson learned is that nescience will circle the earth in the time it takes science to tie it's shoes Same as it's always been

[@NotGoodAtNamingThings]

If lockdowns were put into place *in response to* increasing mortality, then this study's result is exactly what we would expect.

[@terjeoseberg990]

Yup. But what they actually did was increase restrictions every time hospitalizations increased to prevent the hospitals from becoming overwhelmed. They wanted to let everyone get infected slowly enough that everyone who became ill could receive proper medical care. Without proper medical care the fatality rate would have been around 6-10% like it was in Italy and NYC early during the pandemic.

[@Jack2200]

These would be the "late lockdowns" which they specifically excluded. See the mid-point of the presentation. If included, these late lockdowns would make the stats even worse.

[@matsv201]

@@terjeoseberg990 have you any evidance for the claim that the curve was actually flattened

[@krakken-]

@@Jack2200 The study actually excluded early, not late, lockdowns.

[@krakken-]

@@matsv201 Brazil is a pretty good example of a country that didn't attempt early lockdowns. Their medical system basically collapsed. While that may or may not translate into other countries, it is a pretty vivid example of results from a very limited response. Bolsonaro is facing charges of crimes against humanity for his lack of response.

[@tillmanmcadams1534]

Heart goes out to you. Losing moments with loved ones and knowing the precious value of those moments…. So much unnecessary loss, this is the untold price of this mishandled business.

[@paulbucklebuckle4921]

O.2% and all the lost income ,. poverty kills ,missed operations, missed cancer diagnosis , heart problems,mental health issues suicide , kids education the list goes on, what a disgrace, we need to insure that this never happens again .

[@sockpastarock7082]

Except the paper doesn't adequately justify the 0.2% figure. Especially when it purposely excludes early lockdown nations like New Zealand and Australia. It also fails to address countless other factors like the impacts of medical demand exceeding supply etc. some of which John points out only in the very last few minutes of the video. New Zealand today has only 53 covid deaths in total for the entire pandemic. That's not a typo. Not 53k. Just 53. Try to comprehend that. Try to explain that. If you believe their lockdowns had no effect, please explain what did produce the effect to effectively eliminate covid deaths entirely from their nation.

[@matsv201]

Note the 0.2 figure is net loss, not brute

[@jannyjan90]

Yes, I don't think Dr Campbell or other pro-lockdowners appriciate just how much collateral damage has been done. And to only use the metric of death is disingenuous because so much of the collateral damage was done to the living.. those who will have to live with the consiquences of these measures for the rest of their lives ... and to find out i may only have save 0.2% of COVID deaths is sickening.

[@matsv201]

@@sockpastarock7082 are you sure the low death in new Zeeland is due to lockdown? Or are you just guessing?

[@LupusAries]

@@sockpastarock7082 And they locked down both Islands over one Case on one of the Island! Proportional Response, what is that?

[@nosirrahx]

Imagine leaders being forced to admit that they absolutely devastated the lower class for nothing. There is no chance our leaders could do something like that. This will be like the war on drugs all over again. People will defend a failed policy to death to avoid admitting that they caused more harm than good.

[@tomjanowski8584]

@Mijia Ersin I'm lower class and I wasn't devastated. Because of COVID and coworkers out sick or refusing to go to work, I worked more overtime hours in 2020-2021 and earned nearly $15,000 in overtime.

[@rodpanhard]

A 0.2% reduction in covid deaths as a result of locking down, a figure so miniscule it's well within the margin of error. now consider what lockdown destroyed, the economy, the life prospects and futures of our young, the early diagnosis and treatment of the real killers, peoples livelyhoods and mental health, work ethic which might never return, the huge rise in domestic abuse and suicides plus a myriad of other negatives and unintended consequences that have yet to show. I've said all along all the professional covid hand wringers had their priorities all wrong and as the narrative begins to unwind it's becoming more and more apparant.

[@vincentsmith8328]

The lockdowns were VERY VERY EFFECTIVE..Thanks!!! They were effective in forcing populations to be compliant! They were effective in thinning the herd by causing distress, depression and anxiety which has lead and will lead to suicides, plus many future deaths from stress related future morbidities and illnesses not least cancers etc! They were effective in crushing the working mans independence by crushing his ability to set up and run his own business! They were effective in splitting families at their very heart with in family arguments etc!....should I go on??

[@Julia-uh4li]

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[@southwestadventures5508]

@@tomjanowski8584 You are in the US though. Things are different here in the UK. The damage has been devastating and its only just begun. I am happy you have done well as you will need that extra cash to survive the incoming sh*t storm 👌

[@marikotrue3488]

I always felt that sheltering in place was more designed as a method to not overwhelm our healthcare system (am in U.S.) or infect those with limited/damaged immune systems (cancer patients, the elderly, asthmatic) than anything else. So sorry about the death of Dr. Campbell's father during this quarantine. I cannot even conceive of the massive amount of emotional pain inflicted on those ill and those wishing to visit ill friends and relatives. I hope that those who reference this paper, are as fair-minded and as logical as Dr. Campbell has been in presenting the information to his subscribers.

[@djrandlev2864]

I thought this was the primary purpose too…

[@TheBugmenot2009]

In retrospect though, without an effective treatment at the hospital, it wouldn't make a difference. The hospital has supplemental O2, but now we know that the ventilators basically did nothing, and they wouldn't give breathing treatments because they were worried about aerosolizing the virus. Even now, they won't give MAB once hospitalized. I think hospital treatments are still fairly limited, and they certainly were for the "flatten the curve" at the beginning of all of this.

[@vivianwoodell1759]

I find the conclusions of this study hard to reconcile with the fact that it's indisputable that those countries that locked down hardest, including border closures and the strictest quarantine measures (New Zealand, Australia, China) have had the luxury of choosing when to open up. They do (or will do) so at a time when vaccines and milder strains massively reduce mortality.

[@mrradman2986]

But in UK the average age of Covid death is 82. Clearly that includes a large number where Covid positivity was a factor rather than the primary cause. Overall Covid mortality rate is actually low to begin with. The damage caused by prolonged lockdowns is only just being understood and likely outweighs any minor reduction in Covid mortality by a large margin.

[@Shane7492]

Whether or not the lockdowns were effective depends on what effect people were aiming for, but from a general public health perspective over a long period of time, I'd say they were highly ineffective when considering the economic damage that will persist for many years to come. Actually more than just ineffective, they were extremely destructive overall. Minimizing Covid deaths and hospitalizations is not the only important factor when deciding to shut down entire economies.

[@gyorgyiodor1918]

Was lockdown effective? Absolutely, as the aim was to get people take the vaccine for relative freedom (which is most people).and discriminate and break people who would not. Absolutely worked.

[@robertmckinnon6564]

@@gyorgyiodor1918 your analysis is absolutely spot on.

[@1984IsHere]

100% correct.

[@terjeoseberg990]

How about minimizing the long term side effects of infection by the virus on those who survive? Alarming Study Finds Cognitive Deficits in Those Who Had Even Mild COVID Cases kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5Kkk6mJpKeJpqc

[@the1juan2]

Didn’t even impact Covid death.

[@CreekValleyCritters]

Late lockdowns equal panic lockdowns, they happen in response to a massive increase of cases and deaths. This really needed to be taken into account with this study, otherwise the data is meaningless.

[@Lion-hj7ch]

Yes covid waves happen no matter what, in lockdown/mask countries, and non-lockdown/mask countries, no matter what you do.

[@jackwaau]

That was also my position. My state in Australia had 4 deaths in 2 years and when we opened up in dec, we have had 120 deaths in 2 months.

[@TheJamieAnderson]

@@jackwaau that's right. I suspect we were lucky that it didn't hit in a big way here before we started taking measures and shut down the borders. The Brits reopened during the summer lull, let people go to Europe on holidays, then had a second wave. The lesson is a half arsed or late response isn't any better than none.

[@markp6621]

@Martin Baldwin-Edwards The data will tell. I'm Australian (in Queensland) and we had a zero tolerance policy, with "short sharp" lockdowns that were from three days to a couple of weeks. Zero masks and largely normal living for most of the pandemic, and we got to open with hospitals prepared, high vaccinations, in summer to a mild variant. Our slower-to-act southern neighbours have had many more problems... especially the "let it rip" state of New South Wales.

[@stevem815]

@@markp6621 Victoria had even stricter measures and a higher death toll than either NSW or QLD. Also characterising NSW as 'let it rip' is beyond disingenuous. We had years of restrictions and lockdowns.

[@churchofpos2279]

My doubled vaxxed coworkers, who were in locked down at home- had higher rates of infection between themselves and family members. They still do. Last month 1/3 of the staff was off due to infection.

[@RabJ208]

Once upon a time, the "conspiracy theorists" were telling you that lockdowns don't work....and guess what...we were right all along. Guess you should have "followed the science" 🤣

[@JosefRudy]

I'm not locked down per se. I just don't go anywhere because there's no reason to. I live like I did before the pandemic and never leave my house because there's no movies I want to watch.

[@frat8853]

The major thing that this pandemic showed is that people in power are incompetent and hungry for power, and it's throughout the world, which is very scary.

[@PabloTBrave]

They probably weren't totally ineffective but the number of cancer patients and other life threatening illnesses that weren't treated and the mental damaged caused by lockdowns probably outweighed the use of them

[@frankeinstein719]

They basically sacrificed the life of 40-50 years old that were not diagnosed or treated in time to save the life of some 70-80 years old at risk for the disease.

[@MisterMunkki]

The tyranny of the boomers

[@AFuller2020]

More sick people now than ever, it was a complete sh*t show.

[@13tuyuti]

I don't really get the argument that cancer patients weren't treated because of the lockdowns. The cancer patients weren't treated because hospitals were full. Without the lockdowns they might have been even fuller. I still don't know if the lockdowns were worth it though. The effects on the mental health of young people are still unknown. In Paraguay I just heard the news that unprecedented numbers of students failed their university entrance exams because they weren't properly prepared due to schooling via zoom. This means that lots of people lost an important opportunity in their lives that might never return.

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

That's only the start. The poverty and ongoing hardship, stress, mental illness and poor living standards that will be an issue for many years as a result of the wrecked economy this has left us with. Skyrocketing inflation, worldwide civil unrest and likely shortages of all sorts of goods including food - we haven't begun to feel the true effects yet.

[@randallkelley3600]

To those who would dismiss this paper because its not done by scientists or doctors: First I will say more generally that economists have a better grasp on data analysis than most fields of research. That said, if the data analysis is sound, it doesn't matter who does it. Second, scientists and doctors should welcome outside analysis. Often, researchers from outside a field often are not limited by the conventions enforced within certain fields of research. Also, the peer review for different journals can avoid the gatekeeper problem some fields have. In the end, the problem with lockdowns isn't data analysis at all. The problem with lockdowns is that they are political decisions. And even when informed by science, its almost impossible to do one "in time". By the time a health agency realizes they have a problem, its too late. By the time a health agency can convince the politicians to do something about it, its way way too late.

[@paulmobleyscience]

Totally agreed

[@julianwilson5468]

I had understood that the purpose of the lockdowns were to 'flatten the curve' - to reduce the maximum duress on the health services. They were never intended to reduce the death rate overall (area under the curve). I would not have expected a positive correlation between lockdowns and reduced number of deaths overall. I might expect a positive correlation between lockdowns and reduced hospitalisations per day per million people.

[@keoun9759]

My understanding too. I assume that they by focusing on lockdown vs death they ignored the status of the countries healthcare, as in how overwhelmed it was being. There may not be ventilators and other equipment left which saved people which would have otherwise died.

[@ms-jl6dl]

Those two are closely related. You can not have high mortality and empty hospital beds.

[@glendonjett3315]

This paper has not been peer-reviewed. Steve Hanke is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute. Jonas Herby is a special adviser with the Center for Political Studies in Copenhagen. Both of these organizations work to promote free-market, libertarian ideas. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is an obvious bias here. The data presented don’t seem to support the strong conclusions stated in the paper (for reasons mentioned in other comments). It is a contribution to ongoing discussion about how pandemics should be managed. It will forever be a pillar in the anti-science, anti-government world view.

[@julieleduc631]

If we were that concerned about people dying in hospitalizations, early treatment would not be outright banned it would have been properly studied. We all know it was not! The harm that was caused to children and the elderly who often cannot advocate for themselves and are not heard, was unconscionable. What a terrible thing to die alone. Or what a terrible thing to not socialize your child and participate in healthy activities in the community

[@johnpglackin345]

They committed child and elder abuse. They are still doing it.

[@medicinalpurposes4860]

I totally agree, and I keep repeating this fact on Dr Campbell’s channel and elsewhere. Until we come to grips with the facts that “they” are withholding access to early therapies, NON-VACCINE THERAPIES, we are being set up to be similarly ABUSED if and when the next “pandemic” occurs.

[@carriec.9834]

@@medicinalpurposes4860 in the USA our national health agencies & Congress are industry captured.

[@originalkk882]

@@carriec.9834 Just look at Fauci's past policies over AIDS. Same gameplan.

[@medicinalpurposes4860]

@@carriec.9834 -Yes, I agree. But if we don’t speak up, they will take our silence as consent.

[@HILARI333]

This was great, Dr. Campbell. Thanks for presenting multiple perspectives and for offering your view, which I agree with. I am SO sorry for the loss of your father , and especially under those circumstances !!! Sincere condolences from across the pond. It's amazing that despite the stress and difficulty of that, you kept your discussions and videos going. You have helped a HUGE number of people through this covid era crisis. Your father, in spirit now, must be extremely pleased and proud !

[@mynock250]

Lockdowns were well intentioned for the first few months, but once it was found the primary groups at risk where elderly and people with co morbidities primarily obesity. The correct change would have been to advise elderly and obese to self isolate.

[@waylonvansmack]

Instead liberal states put the sick in with the old to get a higher death rate. Sick sick people the Dems. There should be an investigation and charges filed.

[@RabJ208]

Once upon a time, the "conspiracy theorists" were telling you that lockdowns don't work...and guess what......we were right all along. Guess you should have "followed the science" 🤣

[@libertyfirst4083]

Regardless of their "intention", they were illegal and immoral.

[@clairecadoux471]

I disagree. I think the intentions were not 'well', they were ill-timed, and we, joe public, will never know the true drive behind the actions timed as they were.

[@evandclause]

Thank you for your videos. I am sorry to hear about your Dad John, it is so said to hear how, so many family were affected with pandemic lockdown rules. I preyed everyday that none of my family become ill, as not being able to see them and comfort them would be absolutely devastating to me. In my opinion short term lockdown yes to ease the pressure on the health services but not as long as we had. My immune system I think greatly suffered due to lack of germ exposure and sticking to the rules (wearing mask, hand washing constantly, 2 meters rule, not visiting anyone, no traveling.) I can say that I have managed to avoid catching covid but since September I had Laryngitis and bronchitis, sinusitis, tonsillitis and constant on and off colds ( all non Covid). Before the lockdown I was hardly ill. I am a runner and I have an allotment so I spent quite a lot in the sun and fresh air, I also take supplements. I have reasonably good diet. Each of this illnesses took a long time for me to recover 2-3 weeks.

[@joebaeza6177]

I've always believed we had community spread of COVID here in the US (and probably elsewhere) before January 2020. The horse was already out of the barn when we were trying to close the barn door. Lockdowns came too late. Dr. Campbell. Thank you. You've brought an even-keeled approach to a challenging topic during a terrible time. I wish there were more authoritative sources like you.

[@directmessage9246]

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[@nearzero1555]

My whole family had it Jan/Feb of ‘20. I had an antibody year that proved it. I live in a college town in California that has a lot of students from China coming in.

[@miles6910]

you're confusing being told that closing the barn door is a good idea with being forced to close the barn door. this study concludes that mandates don't work, not that the measures being mandated don't work. mandates will always correlate with bad results because they are always implemented in response to bad results.

[@jicalzad]

One of my best friends came down w/ significant flu-like symptoms (i.e. fever, fatigue, headache, etc) for upwards of 2-weeks and lost his taste/smell in January 2020. He got better by the end of January. We live in New Mexico, and our governor locked down our state sometime either in the 1st or 2nd week of March 2020.

[@romanlakes]

Extremely unlikely considering how many it killed many months after that. The idea that there was herd immunity in the US at that point is completely illogical.

[@michaelmiles2033]

Thank you sir for your series of enlightening videos. My mother was most likely hastened to her end by the lockdowns. I can’t agree with you on a few points. 1. There have been a few studies indicating SARS2 was in circulation as early as September 2019. Realistically, with such a transmissible disease, a lockdown would always occur long after the virus was in the population. It’s the proverbial barn door closing after the horses have bolted and may explain the slight positive correlations. The New Zealand/Australia experience would offer a counterpoint to this theory. 2. Most of the pre-pandemic guidelines (WHO, CDC, etc.) did not recommend lockdowns for such a highly transmisible disease like the flu. 3. The fatality rates were stratified, relatively low for most of the population and with the transmission rates high, hospitalizations may have overwhelmed a few places, but not anywhere near 10’s of thousands. Although this fact is retrospective, a few scientists recognized this in March 2020. The bigger question is the beleaguered state of our health care systems, when they cannot cope with, say a 20% increase, over a short period of time.

[@joanbaczek2575]

It was going around in March 2019 in Italy they went back and tested frozen sewer samples and covid was present

[@howard1beale]

The WHO and CDC are no longer remotely objective and no longer remotely credible.like SAGE, they seem to be saying what the state tells them to say. This whole experience has been purely destructive, a movement towards global totalitarianism, culminating in vaccine mandates even though they don't stop infection or transmission. I'm on day 5 of weird symtpomd: naisea and dizziness, loss of appetite. Headache on and off. I'm treating myself with aspirin, lemsip, hot drinks, dead sea salt baths snd sleep

[@adamfrew6699]

100% agree with your last sentence, covid has highlighted what the governments have failed on miserably over the last decade or more here in australia, health care!!! Majority of the population keep putting business before health care and will continue to do so, which is understandable to a point. In your early years finance is more important to you compared to when you're aging. What has been lost in this country is compassion and community spirit, that's a huge problem moving forward.

[@susanschott5147]

I’m really sorry to hear about your father Dr. Campbell. This is the most heartbreaking part of the pandemic, not being able to see your loved ones. My condolences to you, Dr. Campbell, and I’m sure your father would be very proud of the work you do today! He may be tuning in from heaven!

[@marshamohammed5178]

So very sorry for the loss of your father Dr. C, May he rest in Heavenly Peace . God Bless u for all u have done for us random strangers during these scary times.

[@treeorwh2]

Cases and deaths correlate. A question is whether lockdowns slowed down the spread. I believe that it would only slow the spread if you have shelter in place for a long time, with no leaving even for essentials. But then it would spread if you unlock again. In fact, we told people to get tested, so we had infected people moving around all the time. We locked beaches and parks, making people meet inside etc. Lockdowns were not necessary in my opinion and were even harmful on many levels. It would have been enough to give people advice and let them decide when they want to stay home. And to communicate comorbidities clearly so people get into shape or at least determine their risk level.

[@calluna5030]

People weren't allowed to meet inside. If people broke that rule and then got Covid and died from it, that was their look own fault. Testing, in the first few months was very limited. Many people who had suspected Covid were not tested and just had to isolate at home. In the early days we didn't know which comorbidities were risk factors. if we knew then what we know now about Covid, or at least the early strains of it, then hopefully things would have been done differently. We do not know even now just how the virus is going to mutate and what the future holds.

[@D-Fens_1632]

That's the saddest part of all this for me. Instead of paying attention to who this virus kills and doing something about their health, people ate nothing but takeout and laughed about putting on their "quarantine 15." One thing I'm thankful for about this virus is because it got me more serious about health and supplements than I've ever been.

[@treeorwh2]

@@calluna5030 I guess it depends on where you were locked down. But there are no excuses about knowing about comorbidities. We had tons of data very quickly. Especially from full population occurrences like the diamond princess and the uss roosevelt. Either way, I don't think I can be convinced to defend the kockdowns. I don't think they should ever have happened at all.

[@theoracle10]

That's not true at all. None of it.

[@roryhennessey1983]

They were effective at dividing societies

[@brokengames9020]

Like previous classwar?

[@peterbills4129]

@@brokengames9020 Are you an antivaxx, racist, 1%'er?

[@ronlugbill1400]

We took the most drastic measures and ignored measures that are effective but less drastic. For example, indoor air quality is a huge factor in transmission and we have methods and technologies that could have greatly improved indoor air quality, but these were rarely implemented. Obesity is a big factor yet, there was no anti-obesity campaign. Same could be said for vitamin D and zinc. If we had implemented these methods along with masks and vaccines, we could have avoided lockdowns and business and school restrictions. And we would have improved overall health by reducing obesity, improving air quality, and vitamin and mineral deficiencies. Instead, there is a backlash against public health measures in general.

[@jennywren8937]

@ Ron Lugbill Yes Ron, I have always wondered why air quality in public places is not considered, especially doctors surgeries. Someone also suggested some kind of silver nasal spray. There have been many studies of common Cviruses in the past which didn't come up with such practical solutions.

[@drumlessons833]

How do we patent those options though??

[@mikelp72]

You had me until masks and vaccines.

[@IceRockPolar]

The people funding the media with major government influence have different verticals/products they push. Top down corruption. S*** rolls downhill and rests at the bottom. Thus, the people suffer.

[@Steveuploads]

All 2020 worked in a food factory mixing with 600-1000 international workers as well as many town locals. People got Covid but not enough to get the place shut down. No masks were mandated and only one demented Indian guy did, and goggles. This was one of hundreds and hundreds of food factories and slaughter houses thru out the UK and the irony was I would pop into sainsburys supermarket most nights to get my food and I would be asked to don a mask. I never wore a mask , why would I I ha just been mixing with over 600 Ten to a house migrants In the factory! So I have stupid written non my head. I flew to Thailand Jan 2021 where I still am and no one in the big village I’m in has known any person who has been effected by the kungflu and people have never stopped mixing house holds since day one like the UK or any of that 6 people only at funeral nonsense either. Any body who wore a mask in a supermarket while the staff weren’t is a MUG get of your knees.

[@wendysherbert3257]

Thank you Dr. Campbell. Simply thank you. Sending a prayer up for your family. I am so sorry to hear you lost your father…

[@Sonofdonald2024]

I am unvaccinated healthy 43 year old. Caught covid in November off a double jabbed work colleague. All of the other jabbed people in my office also caught it (which supports the data that being jabbed does not stop transmission) I had the least symptoms of all of my colleagues. Minor sinus pain and a bit of an ache for a couple of days. No loss of taste or smell no brain fog. I appreciate I am just one person but that was my experience

[@jackpech5927]

Liar. You would be dead if you were not vaccinated

[@punkoid76]

In my workplace all but one person is fully vaccinated, over half have had it (not me, yet) and only one person ended up in hospital, on oxygen and not allowed to sleep until he was stable. That person was off work for over a month, it was the one person that refused to get the vaccine. That is the stone cold truth.

[@miamivlad]

Similar experience here. I’m a 42yo male, unvaxed. All the vaxed people on my job caught covid and experienced more severe symptoms than me. Ironically, the only two employees left who have not gotten covid are both unvaxed.

[@Creativemnds]

Good that you didn't have bad symptoms. I caught it before I was jabbed a year ago and had it mildly, but a bit worse than you by the sound of it, as I had 6 days of profuse sweating when I slept (which was no fun) and I did have the brain fog. To be honest, I'm unsure whether I did the right thing with two jabs and the booster, considering what I've seen post having it. It's a tough one to call though, as everyone seems to suffer from it differently. Glad to hear you're well and safe though

[@clairecadoux471]

Good grief OF COURSE some folk were ok. It does not mean EVERYONE WOULD HAVE BEEN. Ditto rationale for the unvaccinated. Logic. Common sense. Wisdom.

[@kath3509]

I think when you start examining "what if"(or retrospective) scenarios, one can only wonder how many lives could have/would have been saved had the research surrounding vitamin d3, k2 and zinc been readily made available to the public.

[@BixbyConsequence]

@Andreas Bohmann Nutritional information can still be used to save and improve lives. The pandemic recedes but the importance of nutrition and overall health carries on.

[@jimlofts5433]

and vax as Dr John says

[@jimlofts5433]

@Andreas Bohmann plus vax

[@golden.lights.twinkle2329]

More relevant would be a discussion of what damage the lockdowns have caused. Lots of businesses in my local area have closed for ever.

[@jmgoodmanuk]

Lucky Amazon and other mega corporations are around to suck up all the extra business. Lockdowns worked very well for some (maybe exactly as planned).

[@lionprinceashanti7912]

And mental health and social stress.

[@maniac0303]

​@@lionprinceashanti7912 Here in Germany the cases of suicide attempts of children were 5 times higher in 2020 than before the pandemic. 500 of this Children were in ICU... 9 times more than cause of Covid!

[@catwoman7462]

@@jmgoodmanuk Yes, the multi-billionaires got even richer.

[@chatteyj]

Interesting how the media never questioned the wisdom of lockdowns

[@cindeemilley5228]

Thank you Dr Campbell. I am sorry to hear about the circumstances of your Dad and his passing. My heartfelt condolences to you and family 🙏🏻