West faces 'existential battle about democracy', defence secretary warns

Defence Secretary Grant Shapps says he went to Ukraine earlier this year and made the point that "by delaying what we should be doing... we are running the risk of doing exactly what President Zelenskyy is concerned about".
He then accuses autocratic countries of trying to impose its systems on "free and democratic countries", and declares: "We have to stand up to that."
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[@rockyrowlands3652]

‘We’ … I hate it when politicians automatically assume they speak for us all.

[@danielbutler760]

It cant continue to survive much longer surely?

[@thewhiteworkingclassman7471]

This one does

[@zingo2664]

very good point, i feel like that about all poli TIT ions

[@ArzHole]

@@peaceharmony74 If they carry on the way they're going there will be millions dying for our "freedom", there won't be much left in the way of a democracy either.

[@ianbhoy1888]

Shapps is totally incompetent. Disgraceful that he's in charge of our defence. What an embarrassment.

[@thewhiteworkingclassman7471]

Load of bull

[@richardkelly9156]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@richardmarsden5610]

Between Blinken and Cameron it is lucky the West still exists.

[@susangarbutt7189]

Not for much longer if these mad warmongers have their way.

[@jameslil6546]

This is a parody at this point...... When a clown who failed at every position tries to act tough and talk about democracy while his own bos wanent democratically elected is just pathetic

[@davidcooks2379]

Still better than islamist labour. Vote Reform UK

[@lolikbolik4818]

WEF grande horizontale. Lukashenko's colleague.

[@diesel-technology5507]

Talks about democracy while someone is in charge that no one voted for

[@catfrab]

Who?

[@lolikbolik4818]

catfrab Risky Snack.

[@everready800]

"We are in existential battle' over world order, Defence Secretary Grant Shapps warns. AKA The days of U.S. hegemony are numbered.

[@jdg9999]

Yep, utter clown show. This is a naked attempt to maintain American hegemony, with Britain playing the loyal vassal. The attempt to dress it up with moralising about democracy and authoritarianism is laughable, given our track record of overthrowing anti Western democracies and supporting pro Western dictatorships.

[@tatenathansonl7378]

Your right id prefer to live under Russian rule

[@OneTrueScotsman]

@@tatenathansonl7378 How about British rule?

[@ChrissyLewis-jb2qo]

It’s like people in the west are looking forward for the days when the US hegemony is over but when that day comes, it’s going to be a very sad world, especially for us in the west. Even the whole world and internet being written/spoken/translated into English is primarily because the world has been anglicised for the last few centuries.

[@tatenathansonl7378]

@@OneTrueScotsman no no I’d prefer Russian rule or China or Iran. So much better than British rule trust me bro.

[@finianlacy8827]

This guy is the most incapable

[@jake751]

Also has dual citizenship with Israel

[@thewhiteworkingclassman7471]

And your what

[@phildavies6020]

I think Rishi beats him on points....but it’s a close-run thing

[@TheMystikal82]

We saw how democracy works during covid.

[@guybennett3563]

There's no support for war anywhere in england

[@gordonwilkinson5041]

the problem with Britain is the first past the post voting system, if there was a proportional representation coupled with a two round voting system it would help smaller political parties with views such as yours become larger political parties.

[@sweatymrkim4578]

He couldn't stand up to a unruly toddler.

[@everready800]

Or Netanyahu

[@user-uv8bv4dm9f]

@@everready800Yes -an unruly toddler.

[@sayitasitis100]

Let him be the first on the front line to confront that so called existential threat !!

[@jabbadabbajew6035]

Can someone please tell the Banking Class that we know they fuel hatred to start wars so they can fund both sides……… please, I’m sick of it.

[@bigpthebutcher1979]

Yeah it does. From its own politicians

[@BruceWayne-vn5vg]

Oh dear, this identity crisis man and his crap.

[@thewhiteworkingclassman7471]

Your statement is dull

[@leslie-annmills-gomez8763]

This liar

[@j.m.clausen5354]

He could lead out a special forces Team out of a wet paper bag

[@kv1815]

What democracy? Where?

[@lw1zfog]

Grunt $chatts, that wholly trustworthy chap of multiple identities 😂

[@ElijahGabsi]

Another dinosaur spewing nonsense.

[@thewhiteworkingclassman7471]

Load of bull

[@commandingjudgedredd1841]

​@@thewhiteworkingclassman7471 No, speaking the truth.

[@user-sk2hc9lm9r]

He's a compulsive liar. Go ask the Indians if they believe it when he says Democracy.

[@user-pc2qh5ri4y]

Send him to the front line in Ukraine

[@Applied_Theory]

The ethno-religious colonial state project failed miserably. Don't side with genocide.

[@user-cp7gh8zj6b]

Western Imperialism is an eternal optimist. Armageddon closer than ever.

[@science4life486]

@@user-cp7gh8zj6b Armageddon is wanted by the religious extreme in every religion, they do everything they can to usher it closer to reality.

[@richardhead3062]

What Genocide is that then?

[@ConradAinger]

Grant Shapps...So that is the name he is using at present😆🤣

[@bobmason1361]

He has so many, allegedly, it's reported 😆

[@user-uv8bv4dm9f]

Yes he is a bit of a shape shifter or should that be a shapps shifter?

[@michaeljennings3207]

Shapps talking about standing up for democracy in Ukraine what a clown 🤡

[@ppetal1]

"Democracy"? How about 2019? Israel? " yabba yabbaDemocracy."

[@chrisbremner8992]

This total lightweight is a disaster, shameful.

[@johncollins3391]

Democracy 😂.

[@guybennett3563]

Grand chaps the blair clone

[@joni8090]

Funding American Geopolitical Imperialism DOES NOT SOLVE DOMESTIC ISSUES ! 🤔 🇵🇸💲🇰🇵💲🇻🇳💲🇮🇷💲🇸🇾💲🇪🇬💲🇨🇳💲🇷🇺

[@shatbad2960]

"Democracy" - what a joke....

[@user-hs9ep7jx4s]

Demucrucy

[@daviesjacques8342]

yes demockery from a purchased traitor

[@innovirtua]

He's not a Defence Secretary, he's a WEF Admin Clerk.

[@lolikbolik4818]

Lukashenko is his colleague. Lukashenko's $$lut Tsikhanouskaya does only goodness knows what in Davos.

[@eddieyeoh4098]

Aww! Britain against the rest of the world!!! Bless her little cotton socks!! 😂😂😂

[@jake751]

No just England

[@annaperry8486]

Not the people of Britain

[@shazattack3711]

Both of the political parties work for foreign governments and corporations...

[@howhistory5877]

How ironic - All of that lot ARE the bloody cause

[@imagecollections6665]

This form of Democracy does not work in the slightest. We have 2 parties...and they're both pathetic.

[@isag.7468]

Is he talking about a type of democracy where MPs spend years derailing the result of a referendum?

[@user-sk2hc9lm9r]

The fake democracy thats really a Plutocracy

[@user-gj8no1uh4j]

And whats happening about the state of the UK .what about our security

[@amirraza7706]

I wonder why he is pushing on those points? Could it be that he is a die hard friend of Israel ?

[@jake751]

He has dual citizenship with Israel

[@shazattack3711]

Then he isn't truly British, and because of people like him and the MPs who are working for Israel. They are the reason for all these problems, right now.

[@amirraza7706]

@@jake751 that’s no surprise . It’s time The British people really got their nation back from control of foreign entities and corporations.

[@rayal4395]

@@jake751 exactly

[@danielbutler760]

Democracy of disgrace.

[@StratsRUs]

Multi-Identitarian Michael

[@domzbu]

What a clown 🤡

[@ahmedarshe4334]

Why does everything take so long in the uk?

[@susangarbutt7189]

Because the politicians have to wait for their orders from their puppet masters.

[@michaelfourie345]

It doesn't! It takes exactly the amount of time the elites want it to take. They will NEVER pay out all the compensation to the infected blood victims - they will NEVER pay out all the compensation for the post office "scandal" - they will NEVER pay out the full compensation for the Grenfell disaster. Everything is taking the right amount of time.

[@jibjub2121]

managed decline.

[@lilricky8483]

When did we last have a say about anything!

[@ponderingspirit]

What would be the harm in Russia getting their gas? And just having peace Especially for the Ukrainian people who were already willing to have peace and negotiate

[@finianlacy8827]

Who

[@CountofMonteBisto]

...first laugh of the day

[@commandingjudgedredd1841]

Indeed, "who".

[@chesterlee6508]

Evil yid

[@calvin88821]

And who's upholding democracy by continuously having unelected heads of government, and bypassing an independent ruling of the court?

[@mkkiani-tech]

Grant is great at coming up with crap everytime he is asked a question. Always claiming he has come up with a theory that explains everything. So we put the tories into power, and they want to teach us about democracy. What a cheek! So why is Rishi not putting democracy into effect and letting people prove what they know about democracy and the right Govt for Britain.

[@coldbreeze6344]

Talk talk talk that's all they do but do nothing about it

[@somthingbrutal]

from his far right backers, yes

[@domzbu]

Far right, this guy is the most centrist of centrist centrists. A total sell out. He’d be totally at home under Blair / Starmer

[@taekwanlew]

No it doesn't. The Tories are gaslighting again. Don't be naive.

[@IanScout1]

Trust in Mr Green to save us all. ELECTION NOW PLEASE!

[@phildavies6020]

I’d rather hand it over to good old Seb Fox. Far more trustworthy.

[@varadharajannadarajah]

Yes, and the West should focus on fixing it.

[@OneTrueScotsman]

A bit rich from the Tories and the British establishment, to be talking about defending and promoting democracy, when they've just made it abundantly clear that Scotland is locked inside the so-called union, with no democratic route to independence without the permission of parliament, which is 92% non-Scottish, and 85% English.

[@richardkelly9156]

Shaps need to get a job at Greg's pasties or in a pantomine. He is not fit fir purpose and needs to stand aside and let the public vote on all military actions unless he is attempting to take over

[@jameslil6546]

The amount of likes are the people that support this...... maybe 1 third would actually willing to fight.....

[@bobmason1361]

I like the fact the bloke made a prat of himself again. Hes a dangerous effing nuisance.

[@daveymc172]

This guy is a liar!

[@Bill-ed1hr]

What democracy?

[@brianhayes4827]

All our armed forces and young men cannot wait to fight for a country whose Flag they cannot fly at their house or a dozen cops will descend upon their humble abode and accuse them of all sorts of Ism's...Pathetic

[@tck7394]

We have a Kakistocracy not democracy. Grant is yet another of this reprehensible class.

[@thetaexali9550]

The UK should be keeping it's self to it's self, building up it strength silently being self efficient not getting drawn into external issues.

[@dworkin7110]

The UK should not get involved as aggressors but we must defend our allies against them otherwise we won't have any.

[@thetaexali9550]

@@dworkin7110 What allies?

[@daveanderson3805]

What would the tories know about democracy? Sunak hasn't been elected. And the only reason he isn't the worst PM in British history is because that Truss woman beat him to it.

[@ballerblocks]

In Summary the empire of lies has begun to unravel

[@melodic-cactus]

Shop keeper to Defence secretary...... Nothing to see here, move along 🤔

[@JPSRose]

Yeah... right! lol

[@chongxina8288]

Yeah, we have no democracy. We have “democracy”. 💁🏼‍♂️ Still most of this comments section think voting will help.

[@flanaj2]

Don't look back in anger. Thoughts and prayers. I'd love to live in Russia if I could afford it. I'd be a lot safer there than the UK.

[@michaelwells6797]

We have to defend our democracy .FROM THE TORIES.

[@stevegregory2545]

Who says your values are right !!!!!

[@user-iu5vc5ki8p]

At the beginning of the discussion on Ukraine a statement by Volodymyr Zelenskyy prompts Trevor Phillips to ask Grant Shapps are we creating a stalemate in which tens of thousands of people are dying needlessly? Grant Shapps responded ″... we are in an existential battle‶. Wow. But didn't the war in Ukraine start because Russia viewed the positioning of nuclear weapons in Ukraine by NATO as an existential threat and therefore insisted that Ukraine must not become a member of NATO. A serious analysis of events going back to 2014 and earlier shows that the Americans orchestrated the war. At that time (barring a nuclear mishap) the West did not think Russia posed an existential threat to the West. How things have changed now that Russia has gained the upper hand. Barring a nuclear conflict or a full-scale American commitment to Ukraine by sending in the American military the fate of Ukraine looked settled as early as October 2023. Thus from a Ukrainian perspective tens of thousands of soldiers have been killed needlessly since then. In fact, thousands of people have been needlessly killed since 2014, when the Ukrainian Army and the Donbass militias first went to war. Mr Schapps is swift to commend the democratic credentials of the West while intimating Russia is autocratic and undemocratic. A more honest analysis shows that the rule-based order of the West gives itself the flexibility to change the rules to suit its own purpose and that the Americans exerts a non-democratic influence on their weaker allies. Russia has laws and holds elections. The West has been keen to ridicule Putin's recent electoral success but independent Western polling shows that the result faithfully reflected the sentiment of the electorate. More alarmingly Mr Schapps suggests that Western aid will reverse the military situation in Ukraine. It will not. Russia has astounded the West in its ability to produce arms and ammunition in ever increasing quantities. The West cannot compete and has largely depleted its own arsenals in trying to do so. Mr. Schapps must know this. The Russians have been advancing on the battle field since October 2023 and show no signs of stopping. The truth is that while the West gets weaker the Russians get stronger. The Western media has been very adept in presenting its case, hence the apparent support Mr Schapps says he receives but that would soon change if the public were better informed. The Russians did not pose a serious military threat to the West prior to hostilities in Ukraine. Nevertheless the West's refusal to respect Russian security concerns has taken us down the present path. Conscription in Britain is now being talked about, a suggestion that our young people will not thank our political elites for. Mr Schapps talks about a wake up call to spur the West on to supply more arms to Ukraine but it's far too late for that. A decent person would be looking at ways to resolve the conflict quickly not seek to prolong it. Thanks to the colossal miscalculations of the West the spectre of of a nuclear war has loomed. Trevor Phillips also discusses the Russian-Chinese rapprochement. The war in Ukraine has pushed the Russians into the arms of the Chinese. We are the losers and will see our living standards fall as a result. One can slam Russia but Ukraine has much of the character the former, it is certainly not a shining beacon of democracy. The West has got itself into a dreadful mess and is looking to save face.

[@daveymc172]

Shady government!

[@Stuartjb6]

Yes we do, its him. And every single person like him

[@maht0x]

I hope democracy loses

[@artiartibald9431]

Western politicians have a long tongue, when they have to answer for it, and I won't hurt them.

[@daveymc172]

DHL manager and nothing more!

[@bobmason1361]

Why does Sky air this sh*te?

[@ArzHole]

Probably due to it being a right wing drivel factory.

[@ECECECECEC]

Shapes has just found out that we don’t have enough planes to allow a mass parachute jump to commemorate D day, the incompetence is shocking.

[@haixinzheng9759]

10 years ago, "These authoritarian regime would collapse by itself in no time"

[@Mark-it8fw]

Just can't take responsibility for any dam thing, so how on earth did this individual become a minister?. They just can't hear themselves..I'm absolutely convinced of this.

[@powell656]

Mr Green is something to do with defence! Where is Mister Red ,or Mr Slightly Bronze!

[@JoButterwick]

We want our democracy back. Election now!

[@garrymcfadden4105]

STOP IT

[@thejdemon]

4:47 The world order huh? Slip of the tongue?

[@user-sk2hc9lm9r]

He lies out his teeth as a puppet is supposed to do. When he says 'Democracy' he really means Plutocracy.

[@alien4422]

Tories out!

[@user-nc8my3iq3k]

Тогда е.... по заводам, выпускающих эти ракеты

[@phooogle]

£75bn "extra"... lies. It's more like £20bn. Still better than before but stop touting that bs.

[@BeaHindebars]

Lies, lies, lies

[@adamflames540]

i do feel sorry for this woman in a racist uk she really should leave the exit is there please go really

[@lordsneed9418]

muh democracy

[@dworkin7110]

The threat from Russia is real, they have divided (his own people warned us) and they are now trying to conquer, they should not be underestimated. We must help to defend our allies and ourselves against aggressors. This government has completely failed our armed forces by enormous cuts so now we can barely put together a few tanks and keep them running in Ukraine, we sent 14 and a third of them are broken lacking parts.

[@ppetal1]

Sorry. The Germans violently invaded Palestine first.

[@dom5975]

I’m ready

[@stevedavies6702]

Don't forget at least one was seen on the battlefield burning.

[@itchytastyurr]

Guilty till proven innocent is the only way to stop big corp dragging out harmful practice by denying it even happened till the victims die off or even the instigators after having their fun. Food, water/utility supply, medical and services should not be compromised by profiteers and moral vandals.

[@finianlacy8827]

Great vaccine excuse

[@Barry-tl3ru]

Shapps the conmerchant

[@mrpaul224firenza]

Grant Schapps is about as trustworthy as a Mexican Rolex.

[@eddieyeoh4098]

Dear!! No need self flattery!!! 🤪🤪🤪😝😝😝

[@dangul7295]

Stop the war!

[@anglodoomer5995]

Michael Green deserves the sack

[@aoca3817]

I can tell u how they say i missed it. Basicallee Spiderman moovee was suposed to catch a helicopter between le 2 tall WTC's in NYC. They got leveled, then Batman Heath Ledger caught le helicopter cause they had 2 re-wright le script 4 spiderman. Simpllee they missed it by flying between le WTC tower's 22+ solar Earth yrs ago.

[@WaterhenBloa14]

Schnapps very British name

[@gordoncatlin8031]

Shapps is a total waste of space. He is norther use or ornament

[@ChrissyLewis-jb2qo]

Grant Shapps comes across very centrist to me, he could easily be a Labour politician in another life.