Westworld Season 3 Episode 5: Explained

[@haxDOGMA]

Hey everybody, sorry for double-upload. You may have noticed the first was taken down because of copyright, and WBTV blocking the content worldwide without dispute. Enjoy!

[@VenomSward]

Bastards... M'kay... Like and couple of comments from my side, to compensate those bloody capitalistic practices :3 Cheers!

[@marlonhoyte5285]

......basic

[@Darkwater2013]

Was any specific moment or thing the reason for that?

[@marketsmoto3180]

Thanks for "re-uploading" in this manner. We appreciate it dude!

[@bs5817]

You should watch DEVS! It is just like this season and approaches it from a different angle.

[@zeus_offiziell]

The one line that stuck with me from this episode is when Liam says to Caleb " You are the worst of them!" . It also made me realize that we really don't know anything about Caleb.

[@jcaashby3]

Hopefully we find out before this season ends. Liam was shook!!

[@guenstigvegan]

He might be Seracs brother

[@LemonSte]

@@guenstigvegan too young

[@sg_1541]

I get major young William vibes from celeb.

[@FaiaHalo]

As someone who deeply suffered the manipulation and indoctrination of christianity, this episode brought back so many thoughts to me, even to the point of triggering my PTSD. The manipulative god part about Dolores made me remember of the god christians believe in. And the whole manipulation of people's lives abd destinies also reminded me of that. I know some people didn't like this episode as much as the other ones, but I found it to be one of my favourites this season so far.

[@theworstisover1323]

Westworld has become my favorite show on TV at the moment. I really enjoy your breakdowns of the episodes and the theories you put out there. Awesome stuff!! Also, I grew up in Shaolin, so the C.R.E.A.M. reference on last week's video put you immediately to the top of my list! Keep up the great work!!

[@jean-philippepoirier3552]

Looking back at season 1, there were talks about how people can "be their true selves" or "learn who they really are" in Westworld. Also, the man in black used to say that Westworld is more real than the real world. I wonder if this could somehow mean that there is something special about Westworld that make Rohoboam unable to control it.

[@rhythmchyc3089]

Rehoboam doesn’t make decisions for people in game life, it seems.

[@Professor_Gamble]

I haven't watched a single episode of season 3, yet I have watched all your videos. Can't wait until the season is over to binge all the episodes. Thanks for making my eventual viewing easier.

[@profbfc]

lol?

[@ShanteYouStay]

I was So glad to see this uploaded again!!! You're my favorite by far of those who analyze West World. Great job!!!

[@unncommonsense]

I don't think that Dolores making people aware was a good thing or a bad thing. It was a chaotic thing.

[@AndyWarpol]

Chaos is a ladder?!

[@BTiffney71]

I didnt know what to think of it, thought it was hypocritical of her. She's also a machine deciding the fate of humanity, regardless of her intentions. It might by a good thing for some of the outliers but it's bad for people who functioned within the system.

[@rhythmchyc3089]

I think she knows people are inherently self-destructive and that everyone will kill themselves. This is why we got introduced to that asshole Jerry, who fell into a pool and died in episode 1. And this is probably why we’re introduced to Caleb. I think Caleb will play the role young William played in season 1 plotwise in that we’ve settled in on liking him but deep down, he’s a homicidal sadist. THAT’s why Dolores chose him, because she needs more people to kill.

[@98olober]

I think she did it so that the future would be unpredictable and no one can foresee what she will do

[@SuperIronman911]

Are spoilers not bad?

[@tbperry83]

Bro you have some of the best reviews on Westworld. Keep it up! 💯

[@haxDOGMA]

Thank you, Trey! Appreciate you saying that!

[@Yik35]

Yo dawg I’m not trying to start ANY type of conversation but I just wanted to say I love your content and thank you for providing additional content beyond the Westworld episodes. You’re welcome to the dawgypound any time you want.

[@217rlsmith]

Brilliant analysis of this episode! Definitely subscribing to this channel!

[@frankhoward4485]

D. and Liam subway convo. Ad in background ... "Find Your Place". Found that to be an interesting touch.

[@unlockevidence]

Congrats on 40k! Well deserved. Knew you’d blow up!

[@haxDOGMA]

Thank you, Carly!! 🥰

[@ExNihil0]

I think Dolores did the right thing. Never compromise, not even in the face of armageddon.

[@haxDOGMA]

I respect that!

[@SuperIronman911]

Your last sentence just sounds good but doesn't make any sense nor is relevant to the moral issue here. If she didn't release the information, would that have been a compromise? What's the definition of compromise?

[@ExNihil0]

@@SuperIronman911 the compromise I'm referring to is of freedom for security. The one that humanity has made with Incite and Rehoboam. Even Dempsey Sr. realized what a massive dick move it was to limit the freedoms of those who Serac Bros. system denoted as unpredictable outliers and taking away agency from all of humanity, just to avoid the natural extinction of humanity.

[@SuperIronman911]

@@ExNihil0 never compromise. Are you applauding humanity there for not having compromised? But humans didn't do anything here, the decision was made by Dolores. So how does Dolores decision relate to your statement?

[@182atenasb]

My favorite part is when the explosion happened, you can see the bike going around still on fire. Too funny

[@farkletwat24642]

Also when Dolores jumps in front of Caleb when Caleb looks down at Dolores it appears one of the bullets went through her back.

[@haxDOGMA]

Yes! I thought for sure he was hit...

[@loupz4047]

40K!!!! Congratulations

[@haxDOGMA]

Thank you! :D

[@Andre_APM]

The thing I found disturbing was how Rehoboam was deciding who deserved to procreate, I guess machines would favor eugenics?

[@jean-philippepoirier3552]

Yes. This is clearly eugenics. In one of the files, it was written explicitely "remove from the gene pool".

[@AuroraChaser5000]

Jean-philippe Poirier I noticed that too! So disturbing.

[@sandracmyers]

Rehoboam a Nazi

[@rhythmchyc3089]

I think Serac favors eugenics and incorporated his own sick authoritarian mindset into these algorithms.

[@SuperIronman911]

That's a big fallacy. The machine is not deciding anything but really predicting future. The machine doesn't have control of your hormones.

[@olgakuchukov6981]

I absolutely loved this episode’s play with genre. I only saw it yesterday Saturday and kept big upping Jesse Pinkman for being the kind of dude who can handle drugs and push through anyway - really well played Aaron and writers! They’ve basically created a circle in the amount of self-referential material and those of us who appreciate the post-modern brain candy are grateful. I also was looking forward to this breakdown knowing you grokked it.

[@nickm8425]

not only does using musashi make no sence with dolores, but how long ago was he built that he went completely up the ranks to become the head of the yakuza.

[@AKWatchX]

Congrats on 40k my guy! Well deserved.

[@haxDOGMA]

Thank you, Alicia! ☺️

[@xxfaerietalesxx]

Your videos are my favorite and i thank you so much for taking the time to do these. I will be making a donation with some of my stimulus $, because I am fortunate enough to still be getting income. I divided a small sum up so that I can donate to different local organizations that I support & individuals/artists that have been providing me with content while I’m stuck at home. Just wanted you to know that your time is appreciated & while I won’t always be able to give funds, I will like & share your videos! Take care & stay safe & healthy and your pupper is magnificent 🖤

[@haxDOGMA]

Oh my goodness, Stacey H, that is incredible to hear and I can’t thank you enough. Your supportive comments mean so much to me, and I hope you and your family is well ❤️ My pupper says thank you too ☺️

[@AuroraChaser5000]

The Berlin thing is interesting! They teased us with it in an early scene in S3E1 with “99 Luftballoons” playing on the karaoke machine. The inspiration for that song was this thought: that if a red balloon crossed over the Berlin Wall, it would be misinterpreted as a threat and war would break out! Also, 99 itself is a number that repeats itself. Any significance there with mirror worlds? Eh?

[@guenstigvegan]

nomcormz great comment! As a German I heard that too and never saw it in any analysis afterwards. They must have chose that song for a reason.

[@xiDaban78]

Yeah there has been quite a German theme going on this season compare to the other 2 seasons where nothing German was mentioned at all. The guy that Dolores kills at the very beginning o the season is German, Maeve's simulation is a town occupied by Germans, the song you mentioned, now Berlin...we might see this Season culminate right at that location

[@hype12345]

Very very nice catch actually !

[@haxDOGMA]

Very great note!! 🤯

[@AndyWarpol]

No matter what she does, I can't help but feel I am set up to be on Dolores' side. And I *am* on her side. It's similar to 'The Joker' movie. We are set up to be on the side of the anti-hero. The person who is trying to create anarchy. Does this speak to this particular moment in history? The audience that the show runners know they have? That we ultimately, underneath it all, are hoping that the system and the constructs that govern us will all come crumbling down.

[@Gr33nPhoenix]

Our very nature is drawn to entropy. Even down at the molecular level things always want to move towards the chaos. I just think it's one of those innate things we can't really explain.

[@TheDrewker]

I know what you mean, Dolores is simultaneously one of the most root-able and hate-able anti-heroes in TV/movie history. Definitely not an accident. I'm wondering where all of this is going too, and I think you're on the right track. Lisa Joy in particular has said some things in post-show commentaries about "seeing what a revolution looks like." The show runners obviously want us to be "questioning the nature of our reality," contemplating our "loops"and "core drives," etc. They want us to see that our world isn't so far off from FutureWorld, our life isn't so different from the hosts, and we may be in need of a revolution soon. They're not necessarily advocating violence, but they _are_ saying that sometimes you have to get your hands dirty in order to change a system that's stacked against you. And you need to be wary of people, even when they seem to be on your side. Humanity may be in need of a revolution, but do we need the one Dolores is working toward? Remains to be seen.

[@TheDrewker]

@@Gr33nPhoenix You kinda did explain it when you used the word "entropy." I'm not sure entropy has much to do with Westworld or Dolores... though it could be a theme for Rehoboam and Serac, because he's trying to create total order out of something that's inherently chaotic. Entropy isn't an abstract concept, it's more of a physical reality. Or better yet, a "law" of nature, like gravity. All matter ultimately moves toward decay, all energy ultimately dissipates. So I guess I can see how entropy applies to Westworld from a bird's-eye view, but I think the main themes of the story are a bit more focused than that.

[@Gr33nPhoenix]

@@TheDrewker I was only responding to OP's sentiment that they're drawn to characters with a propensity for anarchy tbh.. Not really applying it to the themes of the show ya know

[@haxDOGMA]

Perfectly said Andy... Great analogy.

[@myblueextremes1526]

04:02 Rehoboam looks exactly like Bernard's pearl that Delores had/has. I only mention this in response to you wondering if Rehoboam is like Bernard, an awake being.. No idea if this has any meaning or not but Rehoboam does look like a massive brain pearl.

[@fatizzle716]

Great review, Hax!

[@haxDOGMA]

Thank you, Fatizzle!

[@Bramble451]

I interpreted each of the rings as representing one of the files that Dolores stole from Serac.

[@SkulkingSkullKid]

Bramble451 Absolutely, same.

[@ATenE-2]

I think it's important to say no data doesn't mean destruction and at some point that will become a plot point. It's a common plot in scifi

[@AndyJP]

The drug scenes didn't do anything for me and I didn't understand the point of it other than to have Caleb's actor make funny faces for an hour lol. I guess it proves the host theories wrong, though? I still believe that Dolores chose him specifically and that he isn't simply there to redeem her opinion of humans. The only reason I can think as to why she needs him is if Serac develops some kind of anti-host countermeasures. I think that Bernard might be different now because Dolores re-made him as the Arnold that she knew, rather than Ford making him as the Arnold that he knew. I'm not sure what difference that would make though.

[@rhythmchyc3089]

AndyJP The Arnold Dolores knew had an incomplete data set, having only known him from her perspective. I think there’s significant stuff Ford would know that Dolores wouldn’t, even if he told her everything, because he’s known him longer and because he’s human. I think Bernarnold isn’t breaking down like Delos did because of Dolores. She programmed him to do diagnostics/analysis/whatchamacallits to keep himself in check. I also think Dolores is so narcissistic that she uploaded herself into Bernarnold.

[@alexcoyg3281]

There has to be something else to this... that drug is useless lmao

[@adler923]

The whole drug ride was a ridiculously flimsy justification for Nolan to play with genres cinematically. I think he even says so in the post show. It was so over the top dumb that I literally laughed out loud at several of the edits. I was also pissed off because the minute they had to use the dumb music cues to get their pretentious points of the genres across, was the second that westworld jumped the shark for me. Good god, what happened to my beautiful, grand opera called Westworld?

[@alexcoyg3281]

Watchmen did the future drug episode flawlessly, watch and learn

[@cacogenicist]

@@adler923 Season 2 was intentionally abstruse, and far more pretentious with the timeline wankery. Seemed tailor-made to make artsy 20-somethings feel deep and smug. The genre drug didn't add a whole bunch, but so far I'll take season 3 over 2 any day. And they can't keep running around in a mysterious theme park forever.

[@LucidHorizons]

Congrats on 40k subs!

[@haxDOGMA]

Thank you, Lucid! :D

[@Frankenmuppet]

Excellent, I was thinking about watch this again tonight

[@sandracmyers]

Been waiting to hear fron YOU HaxI EFFING LOVED THIS EPISODE! I know lots of problems but man that Genre drug is SICK! No thanks, I'll stick with weeeeeeeed!

[@haxDOGMA]

Fuck yes! Haha Glad you enjoyed it, Sandra! ☺️

[@sandracmyers]

HaxDogma hey Hax! Awespme vid too...as usual...sys!

[@billylardner]

Think it might be a creative choice with the files of past and future mapped out. Nolan did something similar in Person Of Interest.

[@ShanteYouStay]

Just started your book! Loving it so far!!!!

[@haxDOGMA]

ShanteYouStay, firstly I love your name. I promise I won’t sashay away! Haha Second, I’m SO glad you’re enjoying it ☺️

[@LJBremer233]

7:58 - you mention the car turning up perfectly on time...this just made me think of Maeve being hyper aware of her loop and trying to break out. Could be nothing of course 😅 I like that Dolores sent everyone their profiles. Maybe it's not deemed good of wise, but she's right that people have the right to know their truth and make decisions. Someone on Reddit pointed out the mother who saw how her daughter died would potentially work on the relationship with her daughter and get her help. For all the chaos, there's one life Dolores has potentially saved straight away.

[@canadiandee6342]

I don’t think it works that way. She wasn’t told that her daughter has suicidal tendencies. She was told that her daughter was assigned the ending of suicide in the family bathroom. She would just spend the rest of her life absolutely terrified every time her daughter left her sight.

[@MGTV1]

don't think i didn't notice they left green grass around the blue mosque 2:45 slight shilling?

[@MGTV1]

they whole city is wiped out, but the mosque has a manicured lawn.

[@VladPalacios]

I don't think the U classification of Caleb represents The Outlier, it most likely is the current classification after the adjustment to set him up to crash and burn, just like the little brother

[@lucifchristo]

It's not that Dolores did something good or bad but more along the lines of something truthful rather than deceitful

[@haxDOGMA]

Very well put!

[@vaiuuii]

Any Person of Interest fans? Welcome to Westworld, Elias! "But you and I are outliers; we're not really part of civilization. We're something... older. Which means, of course, that we can do the things that civilized people can't." Interesting how Jonah is rehashing his favourite topes from POI in this season of Westworld more than ever. PS: I dont think Dolores severing the connection car - network has anything to to with Liam uploading his biometrics. Its like 2 different and totally unrelated wireless connections to the internet. The car is not running on that tablet thingy that Liam keeps using, it simply runs on the network and then voice command once taken over by Dolores.. Once again, the biometric data is not uploaded via the cars connection, but via the tablet connection. Still good video though.

[@LucidHorizons]

I think Berlin might be where the 5th host/Copy of Dolores might be. Also, didn't Dolores have Martin delete Jesse's profile or did I imagine that? Basic shouldn't have been able to see anything about Pinkman.

[@theduppykillah]

I'm wondering based on Fords conversations w Dolores in S1 if it isn't Ford inside Bernard's body? He could be the 5th host. It makes sense because he's the original architect the all the hosts minds/ conciousness

[@NobenStudio]

Just a thing I noticed in one of your screenshots, at 12:10, the advert behind Liam says "Find your place".

[@dismafuggerhere2753]

when you called Delores ''the death bringer of humanity'' were you suggesting that she is Serac's chief outlier who brings about our extinction ? Dempsey Jr looks at Delores with the glasses and remarks that she's not in the system, she doesn't exist, so she can't really have been tracked as the most pressing threat. the main outlier threat that Serac wants to remove is more likely Caleb. he's been through the system and been sent off to war as a means of disposal. Dempsey Jr thinks he's the worst of his kind, that being outliers if he's working off of Rehoboam. when you add in that he's also had some kind of manipulation, his memories are an issue for him and his mother claims he's not her son, the case becomes a little stronger. that wound also explain why Delores who at first wanted to destroy humans might've sought him out. I at first thought his involvement was completely random chance, but why the huge, complicated back story if it isn't leading somewhere significant ?

[@VenomSward]

By the way, I'm still on Ceracs side. Nothing changed :)

[@weareorigin]

Serac is fighting to ensure humanity's survival. Yes not every human can live in a giant mansion with their own flying plane. But humanity has skyscrapers with water and electricity.

[@FaiaHalo]

100% team Dolores here (btw, I like this team x, team y thingy going on).

[@VenomSward]

@@FaiaHalo I'm not trying to insult you... 100 percent honestly. I think you just didn't lost (loose? Sorry, not native language) enough in your life to understand why romantic, teenage riot is bad for humankind. Ps. If you feel something bad after my opinion, I apologize.

[@Rosie-yt8nd]

Serac talks to Rehoboam like people talk to their roombas. Minus the googly eyes. Rehoboam should have googly eyes

[@nicholasmaude6906]

Something I should point out, Hax, is that Serac's henchwoman Martel (Played by Pom Klementief) name is French for Hammer. I look forward towards your analysis of the trailer for episode 6.

[@Agyapas97]

I know this is a late comment - but having Serac's genuine memories dumped into Rehoboam was a "Show of Faith" that Serac wasn't an outlier, like his brother - and that he was willing - as shown in the final episode, to fully commit to what he wanted Rehoboam to accomplish with him.

[@rhythmchyc3089]

Just wanted to offer some corrections: The music at @14:37 is from Space Oddity. Sui Generis is pronounced “swee generee”

[@TonyBananas101]

@4:47 In the S3 E1 The business guy who is furious at "paying not to have to wait in the queue" and then died seemed to have a German accent so could be linked to that.

[@thegreenbastard5171]

Did you noticed at the very last scene where Serak is standing in front of the black ring thing, when he slams his fists on the desk in front of it, the circle reacts! Don't know if it means anything???

[@nellyetsesfreres8616]

I think the ring is a sort of control. It shows to Sérac if Rehoboam is stable or becomes unstable.

[@MyVin1234]

The other Dolores literally says, "The right information, at the right time. Is better than any weapon." So how is this even a question? Of course she did it for bad reasons.

[@williamcary8029]

I think the only thing Dolores might be worried about is Maeve Millay, which is why she needs Bernard. He has the Universe with her Daughter, and the trade to prevent Maeve from striking the final blow to Dolores's plans.

[@ActualLiteralKyle]

Bro that pupper is such a good boy. I 100% get you on dying rather than making my dog unhappy. Is that an Australian Shepherd? Oh yeah awesome fricking vid as always

[@infamyinfamy]

Why didn't Caleb show on the security footage shown to Serac? It only showed Dolores, but I'm pretty sure that big photo was her at the bank when she was with Caleb the whole time.

[@stelyah8653]

Whether you believe in our Creator or not, our lives have been mapped out entirely by our Creator. He is offering life, if you chose to accept Him and His ways, or death, if you do not accept the Creator. West world is trying to make it a bad thing to have our entire lives mapped out by a higher power.. You can see the chaos in this world caused by those who do not accept our Creator's will. Fiction reflects life. And if West World is true to it's reflection, there will be few survivors at it's end. Very entertaining!

[@haxDOGMA]

Well said!

[@saint52vvs]

No, showing people their fates will ultimately change their fates. Double edge sword.

[@haxDOGMA]

Totally agree!

[@twisterrjl]

From Wikipedia: *Rehoboam* was the first king of the Kingdom of Judah. He was a son of and the successor to Solomon and a grandson of David. In the account of I Kings and II Chronicles, he was initially king of the United Monarchy of Israel, but after the ten northern tribes of Israel rebelled in 932/931 BC to form the independent Northern Kingdom of Israel, under the rule of Jeroboam, Rehoboam remained as king only of the Kingdom of Judah, or southern kingdom.

[@schumzy]

I like your interpretation of the incomplete circle as saying humanity has no future.... Details like that would be on point for WW and how we can later line up timelines. But how do you explain that up till now the circle was complete?

[@haxDOGMA]

Not sure honestly! Could point to “history repeating” but time is linear right so... it’s weird the timeline was a circle at all! Haha

[@lou7511]

Your vids are nuts keep it up

[@haxDOGMA]

Thank you, Louis! ☺️

[@sctmcg]

My theory on why they didn’t save this episode to the finale is because there is a genuine uncertainty around this show getting a 4th season. You can always tell when they reduce the number of episodes in a season that it’s not going well. They are wrapping up this season as though it could be the last.

[@haxDOGMA]

Very possible, but man I hope we get a 4th season!

[@vesperholly8285]

Hey, in that picture of Dolores that Serac is looking at, where she walking into the Liam’s bank with Caleb ...why is Caleb not in the picture? They walked together the entire time but he is not visible in the picture?!!

[@kevinw712]

Anyone having watched "Person Of Interest" can see that Jonathan Nolan is veeeeeeeeeeeery interested in this whole general topic lol Especially within this episode when you've got Serac talking to Rohoboem like as if father to son, mirrors Finch to "the machine".

[@just3143]

After Delores shields Caleb she appears to have an exit hole on her coat in the back. She then proceeds to look at calebs body a couple times with a concerned look. Once they both walk away Caleb appears to also have an exit hole in his back. Do you think this is a sign of Caleb being a host?

[@BUprettygirl]

Rewatch it. I think Serac’s brother was the one narrating in French. It’s a different voice.

[@Oxmustube]

No. It is Vincent Cassel. He even refers to his brother as sui generis, an outlier, as we find out later.

[@AuroraChaser5000]

Lizzybabysays I had the same thought!

[@Oxmustube]

@@AuroraChaser5000 Even though the subtitles clearly say that it is Serac speaking, i checked out one of Cassel's interview (Vincent Cassel - Les Marvel, est-ce vraiment du cinéma ?) and it is his voice, no doubt. Even then, it wouldn't make sense if his brother was speaking.

[@thegreenbastard5171]

Nope, it definitely isn't his Brother.

[@darthgzuz]

10:30 I think they are events from alternative realities/ scenarios

[@maxidaho]

I wonder if the "Basic" t-shirt is a counterpoint to a "Supreme" t-shirt?

[@haxDOGMA]

100% haha

[@ashleychapman615]

The releasing of all the information reminded me of a Black Mirror episode.

[@j9u315]

Great review! Im still pondering why they stated Rehoboam can predict the Past. Why was this mentioned and how significant? Any thoughts?

[@haxDOGMA]

Possibly Serac showing Dolores false memories? 🤔

[@rhythmchyc3089]

@Hax The Wrap published an article with the titles of the final episodes this season. Along with some teasers: [Spoilers] Season 3, episode 6: “Decoherence” Do a lot of people tell you that you need therapy? Looks like we’re going to see how William and Caleb relate as outliers. Season 3, episode 7: “Passed Pawn” A real friend is one who walks in when the rest of the world walks out. I say the real friend is Bernarnold. Season 3, episode 8: “Crisis Theory” Time to face the music. Crisis theory is a loaded title. It could mean this entire season was theoretical from the start, i.e. in simulation, and we watch Dolores successfully destroy the world in this one iteration. What if in the final episode we see all iterations of the future, though? And this season ends with Rehoboam choosing the version where humans are extinct? Rehoboam works alongside Dolores so that next season, Bernarnold not only has one enemy, but two. What do you think?

[@haxDOGMA]

Oh man! That is a great theory. Entirely possible, but the show “Dallas” did something similar where it was all a dream and people apparently did not like that when it happened haha But totally on the table in my opinion. It’s a bold choice, but if anyone could pull it off it would be WW.

[@rhythmchyc3089]

HaxDogma I wouldn’t be a fan, either. I think as long as we see a version of reality in the finale, though, I’d be fine with the bulk of this season being in simulation. And the twist will be more character-driven; the choices people/hosts/Rehoboam make will be where we get the gratifying shockers. I see a lot of this season being heavily influenced by popular culture. Borrowing from an early 80s soap wouldn’t surprise me at this point. 😁

[@NvdB-eg1nq]

19:46 I don't think Serac is referring to Dolores when he talks about 'mon ami'. Because 'ami' is reserved for male friends. 'mon amie' is (I believe) the correct form for female friends. So, is there a transcript that definitely states that it is written 'ami' vs 'amie'? Also, relying here on secondary school level French here. Any French speaking captains here?

[@xxfaerietalesxx]

Could Serac have manipulated any of the files that Delores was viewing? Kind of like how on R&M, Rick altered his so the simulation wasn’t accurate type thing? And when Serac talks of editing people, is there a possibility that he wants the delos info because, along with rehoboam, they could edit people back to a specific choice in their life? In a way that would always keep them from being outliers?

[@haxDOGMA]

I think it’s entirely possible he did that!! Us seeing the rings of rehoboam simulations when they access a file, makes me believe possibly she’s not viewing the correct “memories”! I think the forge data will let them have fewer divergences overall, but that’s possible too! Removing the outliers would help the system have less divergence too!

[@Kehvan]

I believe that in the end, Dolores won't destroy mankind. She wants to destroy those who tortured her for 30 years, but now that she's out of the park, she's realized the vast majority of humanity are as much a puppet as she had been in the park. Dolores had a change of heart on the Forge, and I think she'll have a change of heart here too.

[@caseyhawthorne7138]

You and I had built a fragile peace, may refer to the AI - Rehoboam 🙃

[@mattgilbert7347]

Maybe Serac was talking to us. Rehoboam is us. Serac is fascist. A technofascist thug.

[@haxDOGMA]

Oh, interesting! I like it.

[@walterronsicki4390]

Sorry for placing this comment here, but I didn't see a better spot. I was viewing the episode 6 promo clip and I had trouble seeing one of the images so started to look at individual frames when I stumbled upon something interesting. At about the 31 second mark there is a long shoot of two riders presumably in Westworld. The first appears to be Dolores in her original blue costume, but the second is indistinct. At the 32 second mark there is a close up of two stopped riders. The first is the Dolores as she entered the plane and the end of episode 5 with the long black bag that was delivered to Caleb at the hangar. The second rider is Caleb. When I looked at both views several times I don't think that the second rider in the long shot is Caleb. It may have been a reflection from the bridle, but I think that it is a different horse as well. So maybe this was a simulation scene with that rider being either Teddy or William, but though a number of scenes in the promo are letterboxed neither of these were.

[@haxDOGMA]

Yeah, I thought it was simulation play until I saw the letterbox. It’s really odd that they would return to WW!

[@walterronsicki4390]

@@haxDOGMA Unless they showed us the scenes in reverse order and William is being held at the Mesa (I think Justin suggested this on one of the recent live streams) and Dolores plans to use the contents of her big black bag to spring him. Also the scene with Serac threatening a captured Caleb might be why Caleb isn't with her.

[@sennui09]

Serac’s re-education office looks like the one in American Horror Story: Apocalypse

[@5naxalotl]

afaik determinism doesn't necessarily imply that a given state fully determines the past. this is a consequence of information not being lost ... famously a tenet of quantum mechanics although i'm not sure about an observer's in-principle loss of information that recedes beyond the horizon of the observable universe. the ambiguity of the past is easily seen in a deterministic simulation where objects permanently disappear off the edge of the screen

[@guzilla1993]

Is it possible episode 5 was their original ending of season 3 in a 5 season arch and they had to abbreviate everything because they decided to end the show? Bc that would suck

[@Don113]

Dolores's goal has always been the downfall of humanity. Surac's goal is the opposite. Both assume that human nature would eventually lead the species to its own extinction, a point reinforced by Rehoboam's predictions. Surac managed to give humanity a chance by restricting human freedoms in favor of predictable outcomes, but by allowing everyone to see what Rehoboam and Insight wanted to do with them, she ensured that 1) humanity would start revolting against the system, and 2) would therefore lead itself to its own end.

[@davesargent7304]

What's missing is acknowledging the slang version of the word basic and what it means.

[@user-gw8yo1py7j]

If i knew i would die due to drowning, i will even stop taking baths

[@saint52vvs]

I want to get Seracs watch

[@haxDOGMA]

Same!

[@cameronschmitt649]

'what would you do for the greater good of mankind?' 14:00 with Roho controlling everyone, it's making sure we don't self-destruct. it ultimately puts a cap on our growth by eliminating that decision, but--and there's really no getting around it--we haven't shown ourselves to globally, collectively choose anything. we're not there yet. we're aware as an individual, but not as a species. we don't--maybe can't--make choices as a species. population control? CO2 absorption? arms racing? we have too much red in the ledger to boast that self awareness. what's to keep Roho from interfering in all other aspects? what's to keep the parent from keeping its child indefinitely a child for its own good? would a computer be able to understand when it can finally let a child grow into an adult? would a computer know anymore restraint than a human race? it reminds me of that episode of original star trek when they happen upon a race of people so reliant upon a computer for all their needs that they stop everything. they don't know love from having babies from making their own food from anything.

[@jerryangel383]

leaving the station with the tune Space Odyssey playing, IT IS BOWIE'S SPACE ODDITY.

[@haxDOGMA]

This is the first time I’m realizing that song, one that I’ve listened to hundreds of times, is called space oddity and not space odyssey lmfao

[@bs5817]

i'm begging y'all to watch DEVS

[@joe_impressions]

This episode gave some really strong resemblance to devs, at some point I forgot which show am watching

[@haxDOGMA]

100% Devs is incredible!

[@soroushe6394]

Hope to have your book at Audible soon.

[@jacobhollander9484]

Three areas where you're wrong: Delores is not the villain, her goal is not to destroy humanity, and this show is not even half as deep as you think it is.

[@michellefourie8508]

the connection to the car is lost, not over written. Not sure that point you made, makes sense. Dolores is hacking rather than controlling the system. Enjoying your points though- thought provoking

[@haxDOGMA]

Dolores says incite controls everything including the car, tells Liam she needs the key because the incite servers are in control, kills the link between the two. I could be reading it wrong, but it seems like possibly a subtle hint that if Liam was paying attention he could have called her bluff? Perhaps? Thank you, Michelle! ☺️

[@michellefourie8508]

@@haxDOGMA thats an interesting theory, more interesting than how I read it- merely disabling the car until she could gain control through Liams key. If your theory is what the writers have chosen, then her willingness to kill RICO people she has employed, (collateral damage), makes her as ruthless as Serac. Thats a fascinating and morally ambiguous complication.Can't wait to find out!

[@saint52vvs]

Thank god! Stupid copyright got my boy lol

[@Blaktimus]

Dang. We Byke, I thought the chronicle just hit too hard and i was in the past. Trailers seem to indicate that the maze used for hosts to undergo transformation to 'enlightenment' is going to be in full view of the public soon. I wonder how many exactly are capable of creating a divergence, are unique, and need to be isolated or sent off to be killed. I only say this because it's interesting (Unless this is all a simulation) that serac seemingly is on dolores' tail yet has rehoboam who at best could predict a strange end to some of his own men in the future and should be able to predict a strategy for it? Whatever Dolores' did whenever she first escaped the park is so pivotal in theory i'm certain i'm going to be angry when I see it. lol i can't wait.

[@Ponkinette.Veronika66]

The more i think about all this 5 preview épisodes, the more i that the last pearl belongs to MAEVE. In episode 2 it was a long research concerning her pearl.. It was maybe just a copy under SERAK 'asservissement. This poor Maeve is just Serak's slave .I truly beleive that the copy of the guest is in Charlotte. This is why in episode 3, Dolores told her ( un front of the elevator), i ll never kill you Charlotte. Probably, in an access of rage , (Serac would have maybe only the key of the hosts) , je is going to crush it down in front of Maeve, knowing now he had no intention to help Maeve, cause he doesn't care with the hosts. In some trailer, we saw Charlotte alone being purchased. I will be not surprise if she will be saved by this 2 mothers of this exiles, with a Maeve, totally free because of the last pearl she has bought with her. A Maeve who is not anymore Serk ' s slave. This 2 characters would become allys i ' am sure of that. And both would make their own decision . As for Caleb , he will make a decision too. ( But it is an other story).

[@bachutiemphim]

I love your voice and I think you could work for a radio station. Anyway, I feel rush in your voice, are you nervous or talking so fast is your habit? Thanks for your explanations.

[@haxDOGMA]

Both. I’ve been having a hard time recording recently, mental blockage, but I’m working on it. The speed also helps keep the length of the video down haha but yeah my nerves have been all over the place about my videos. You saying those kind things, really help ❤️

[@TrainerCTZ]

18:13 is this someone significant?

[@mrtaylor2355]

Caleb is William aka the man in black. Just a thought

[@RimlandThesis]

Rohoboam and Serac will merge at the Park and be like two minds a la Bernard

[@dhanib]

It is funny when a Frenchman speaks better Portuguese than the Brazilian president...

[@deektedrgg]

No talk about the rocket exhaust up in the sky as the episode ends? Perhaps an American nuclear submarine starting WW3?

[@haxDOGMA]

You know, I saw that and wanted to point it out but I didn’t know what to say. It could be that, or it could be a creative choice to show rocket travel being so common

[@deektedrgg]

@@haxDOGMA Yes, it's rather low-key. Guess we'll see in upcoming episodes.

[@VladPalacios]

I really enjoy the show, reminds me a lot of Isaac Asimov's Foundation series and psycho- history... Dolores is kinda like the Mule

[@nathanialbarron4971]

Yeah, brought back some memories of the Foundations series for sure! Serac certainly seems to believe that most people's future is the same as their past- as in, their psychological composition is deterministic in nature. Perhaps only the outliers and robots have free will.

[@farkletwat24642]

How did Dolores know about Rehoboam coming out of westworld?

[@Ponkinette.Veronika66]

The question is not if Dolores did something good or bad, but like she says at the end of this episode: People have the right to know. Of course ! She was right! There is no debate to have about it! Because Serak decids for all humans what their futur would be. But it is wrong. It is not their futur at all ! It is their futur Serak decides for them ! People must know that if they didn"t find a job, it is Serak ' s decision! All that decision for all humans gave them a hight probabity what their futur will be. Without this psychopathe, people could find the job they want for exemple. Caleb is a good exemple. Before Serak, he would maybe succeed ! But by closing all the doors of a good job, the probability that he ll kill himself is hight! So, it is a mess in humanity for now, people of the world must understand that by destroying Serak and his brother ' s creation, they are going to be free. So, she did the right think . There is no doubt about that. I know people think Dolores is a bad person. Like you. Sorry, but I don ' t. She s a good person. I understand why she was angry in season 2 after all she endured. And she acts for the good of everybody ( humans and hosts). Maeve acts only for herself. She is angry against Dolores because of Hector ? How many times Hector was killed for her Maeve? her great lover? How many Times she abandonned her great lover?Maeve doesn't understand THE GREAT PICTURE OF ALL THIS. Concerning Hector, it was Serak who put Hector ' pearl on the machine. Maybe it was just a copy. Like Dolores was! Her pearl was a copy too they find after the explosion! And i don't trust Serak for an inch! I really don t understand Maeve who trust Serak rather than Dolores who sent Maeve's daughter in a safety place, where no human can reach while Serak killed in front of her a human after he told Serak the information he needed. But Maeve trusted him. It is not because the episode 8 of season 2 was amazing that Maeve is the hero of Westworld ! Hero Who what? For Who? For nobody except herself and her powers! ( by the way, in front of camera, she has killed on season 3 more humans than Dolores! But Serak was just behind to clean her mess . Of course, Dolores made mistakes ( i think about Teddy). Because she wanted for him to be strong enought to survive in the real world. She did it Because she loved him. If Dolores was the bad person you think she is , she would take him with her, in the real world. But she respected his wishes by sending him to an indefinite peace. Even if she is going to be separated from him for ever. This is a what i call " true love". By the way, the 2 little cercle we saw on Charlotte Hale, like injuries, one on the shoulder and the other under her neck( sorry for my broken english), came from William 's injuries in the FINAL of season 2 before passing in the Forge with Bernold. When he tried to kill her.On the third shoots , his gun was on Dolores ' head, but when he shooted, William hurted himself in the right hand because of the misfunction ' bull Dolores put on that gun. ( just say).