WESTWORLD Season 4 Episode 8 Breakdown & Ending Explained | Review, Easter Eggs, Theories And More

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[@davidgreen3423]

I was freaking out at the reveal of the park being reset, I had a feeling they’d go for a “back to the beginning” type of finale after the park was basically destroyed. Now for the BCS finale tomorrow.

[@TimTimmay]

Can’t figure out if I should start calling you PREMATURE SPOILERS or SPEEDSTER SPOILERS

[@VladTheSour]

there's just something I can't understand: so, Caleb and James Delos couldn't be copied, but how did they copy William? Or Charlotte said he is a copy from Dolores memory (and his archive from the Cradle/Sublime livrary)? Something similar to how Christina recreated Teddy?

[@acct5910]

RIP Westworld, should have just quit after season 2 (probably season 1).

[@rod9095]

Season 4 was straight up garbage. The philosophical arguments made on season 1-3 were great, action packed series that made you enjoy a complex story did not work on season 4. I hope they can bring the show back but I just don't see it working for season 5

[@robtothejuice]

Can we just talk about how cold they did my man Stubbs lmao that death was tough

[@vkatmandu]

Bernard is dead, from the story's perspective, there's no point in keeping Stubbs as supporting character any more unless you want to make him someone like Hale. He could also be used to protect Frankie, but it seems that there's no place for him where she's going.

[@b.b.s7545]

It was effed up man. Kill anyone but Stubbs! I really thought he would never die

[@squiggle3801]

Bro got laid out☠️

[@victorfergn]

@@vkatmandu they killed off all characters, to be honest I don't remember a show where they did this... may be a show where the world ends... I don't know

[@victorfergn]

@@b.b.s7545 Well... at least he was killed by Clementine... if anybody ever kills me, please be her.

[@abovasso]

Just noticed the final scene with Dolores in Times Square circles back to the photograph she and her father saw in season one of the man in black's wife where, at the time she said it "didn't look like anything" to her.

[@LibrasLion]

Great catch!

[@satin4everg]

But Wot does tat mean??

[@AshayGupta]

Mind Blown 🤯🤯

[@monkeybusiness2204]

@@AshayGupta It means that season 1 through 4 were just another simulation.

[@FarnazWallace]

Time is a circular loop

[@ms.wandaramos-lewis2535]

I loved the way this similar line circled back around from the season 1 episode 2, to this very last episode. Young William asked the beautiful host in the white dress when he first arrives to the park, “Are you real?” and she replies, “Well if you can’t tell, does it really matter?” Then, right before the fight between Hale and the Man in Black he says, “I am William,” and Hale says, “No your not,”….and The man in black says, “Well if you can’t tell the difference, does it really matter?” That impact was Brilliant!

[@ejgwrites]

Also I found it so interesting that Caleb said “it feels like it’s only been a few days for me” that’s so crazy to put into perspective for his lens of what’s going on

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

Because a hosts perspective of time is based off his original death, his copy’s last memories were from his original human version 23 yrs prior so his host version the 279th everything unfolded over a matter of days.

[@ejgwrites]

@@briengakaplan-b1550 yes yes I know haha

[@jaredm2365]

@@ejgwrites guess they needed you to understand haha 😂

[@jaredm2365]

@JackOWot you don't say lmfaoo

[@mengmeng243]

I'm sad for Meave I think she deserves to get to see her daughter again 😭

[@VictoryAviation]

I was really surprised she was killed off the way she was. She was such a crucial character for her storyline to just end so abruptly when the audience has so much emotion investment.

[@Patient_Zero_0]

Her brain orb wasn't crushed, she ain't really dead.

[@MikeFreear]

surely Dolores will recreate the world from memory and she'll see her daughter

[@mengmeng243]

@@MikeFreear I'd love to see that happen, sadly they already cancelled the show 😭😭😭 😭

[@Ravendra_k]

Teddy being her inner voice and her awakening herself with the maze and the people that see her was just so amazing to witness. it reminded me how amazing season 1 was.

[@antoniao7439]

I dunno, i think I’m the only one that wasn’t blown away by that. It felt reductive to me, like the writers just keep pedaling in revealing that someone’s reality isn’t actually real. They did that twice (maybe three times) this season and then at least once in each season prior. It’s like find another plot twist already.

[@Daniel-lq5qq]

@@antoniao7439 yes me too predictable its rinse and repeat

[@millyonz2585]

Can someone give Aaron Paul his Emmy for this season of WestWorld!!!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@davidkruse4030]

This show stinks

[@Jj00000rr]

I can't not this season. Love the show but outside Charlotte the acting was rough.

[@rithik8674]

He is so good in both seasons, such a finest actor

[@derred723]

I think you made a mistake saying "since Hale had access to Delores she could have had access to the sublime all along." I think that's wrong. I believe Bernard was the ONLY person with the key to get into the sublime. Delores gives that to him and reveals that she never had the key at all at the end of season 3. Also it's Bernard that opens the door the the sublime isn't it? And in episode 7 of season for he says "Hale can't access it. Not without the key." Maive says: "the key that's in your head?"

[@lukechambliss2247]

Nice touch so is there another season or what? Like wtf

[@amandadadesky5192]

That's exactly the case. You are correct that Maeve and Bernard discuss this very thing in episode 7.

[@whssy]

The whole theory of the importance of names is something I feel you missed out on for this season. Renaming Dolores (grief) to Christina (as in the messiah) is a big nod to this. We are also seeing some possible alternative interpretations of the names too; (William - I am the will), Charlotte Hale (French "char" - burn the lot, i.e. a hail that burns everything down), as well as names for new characters that follow this pattern Frankie (free,honest), Jay (French "I have", Jason searching for his golden fleece), Maya (dream/illusion in sanskrit). C (see, or the sea - they sail off at the end), Emmet (the universal, the whole). Basically every name in this series is an indicator of the character's role in the narrative.

[@kash3548]

especially Christina (Christ) and Maya (illusion). great catch.

[@offred6013]

Its actually called mohmaya

[@Daniel-lq5qq]

Good catches alot of Series does that

[@hollyshouse928]

I agree with Paul, I think it would have been good to have one episode from the point of view of one of the hosts living in Charlotte's world, starting with them waking up, and showing how they get their messages, play games against the humans etc. And then have a moment in one of the final episodes where one of the main characters kills the same host while escaping the city, to show the full circle.

[@damientom]

"You live only as long as the last person who remembers you.": first said to Stubbs by Ghost Nation host in season 2.

[@TangoNevada]

This episode was chock full of a bunch of call backs.

[@ricardoneves7307]

That's right, nice detail

[@sinseers]

As I see it, that line gives the writers enough room to bring anybody back from previous seasons. Any and everybody Deloris has ever encountered is remembered and can / may be re-inserted in her "Westworld". That means Ford ( Anthony Hopkins ), Arnold and so on. I personally found this season finale pretty messy and non-satisfying. The two big issues I had were Frankie's interaction with Caleb and the Deloris situation. I will go into more detail if anyone asks.

[@kash3548]

good catch. It’s also Mexican lore: you will continue to exist in afterlife as long as one person still remembers you.

[@damientom]

@@kash3548 Yes! I remember from one of the Pixars.

[@ThisIsNoConcept]

This episode definitely felt like a series finale. I know they said 5 seasons, but I’d be cool w them ending the show after 4. I’m satisfied with this ending.

[@danielkissgremsperger3242]

At the end the train had a 5 on its front, foreshadowing the next season maybe

[@TheTruthWholeTruthNothingButTh]

if a nolan brother wasnt running the show it prob would have ended here and disappointed everyone ..except you lol next season is gonna be the best season of any show in the last 10 years im calling it now

[@dbgreene9020]

Already greenlit the 5th and final season

[@johns.1857]

Satisfied that all humanity went extinct? That's a weird take. We have absolutely no idea how Christina's test turns out, or if humans are saved, or if human extinction can be avoided. Unless you insert a bunch of personal philosophy to help explain things away, almost nothing in the story has reached a conclusion at this point. Remember Bernard says that Frankie is "the key to saving humanity"? That makes absolutely no sense if this were the series finale. Frankie doesn't do anything of importance in Season 4, nor does she 'save humanity". So if this were the series conclusion, it leaves tons of questions unanswered and pretty much everyone's storyline is a cliffhanger.

[@farrellanna]

@@johns.1857 I mean, Maeve was supposed to be some sort of weapon but she just ended up being a glorified body guard. Bernard also said that humanity wouldn’t survive and personally, I’m not sure what the point of running tests in the Sublime would be. Anyone who’s already there doesn’t need to be tested. Anyone who’s pulled from Dolores’ memory.. what’s the point? Do they also get to live forever in the sublime if they pass? Do they get turned back into hosts to live in the world? Are either of those options even necessary or warranted? Humanity isn’t surviving and any true copy of a person can’t maintain in a host body. So the world would be filled with Dolores filtered “humans”? It’s just messy.

[@umbertomclovin]

Thanks Paul! Love the breakdowns throughout the season. I think the highlight of the season was Caleb's story. As a dad, I truly felt his pain and love for his daughter. And the loop nightmare he was going through. Aaron Paul's acting was a 10+++! Sad it's over.

[@standardchampion]

I don't know, this episode did not capture me at all. Sure, as always there was some fun elements and great shots. But the finale felt rushed, the 'reveals' did not feel impactful, Hales 'redemption' did not feel earned and many characters just felt pointless in the end. If this is the series finale, they really did Maeve dirty, just leaving her floating face down in a shallow pool of water. Also, I don't really get what is compelling about season 5; Dolores 'testing' humanity inside the Matrix to see if they are worthy to return to the real world? Like, okay and what happens if Dolores decides no, that humanity failed? Nothing is what happens, lol. And we know it will be resolved because its the final season...I'm torn because there are great things about this show, but outside of an all time great season 1, it seems to simply break even on the good and bad. Maybe I'll feel different in a couple of years.

[@JarlinJamesNDK13]

same that was what I felt as well

[@CrusadesOClock]

Its on par with GoT for complete shitshow ending

[@JarlinJamesNDK13]

@@CrusadesOClock seems like it especially when they are going through the simulation route

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

Well you have to remember. It's not really Charlotte. It's actually Dolores. Don't get me wrong, it rubbed me the wrong way a little bit too. All of a sudden expect us to root for Charlotte. But they squared the circle a little bit when they showed Christina saying It was another version of me right as they cut to Charlotte. Season 4 is like a b- season of television, but I still would like a season. 5. Especially if they're going to go back to Westworld.

[@JarlinJamesNDK13]

@@michaelcorcoran8768 the unexpected rooting for halores also rubbed me the wrong way. All of a sudden she is no longer the bad guy ? are you kidding me.

[@j.r.1210]

The end of this episode implies that, at least in the Westworld universe, the Bostrom Simulation Hypothesis is correct: If our civilization does have the technological capability to create a high-fidelity computer simulation of itself, i.e., we've reached that stage before going totally extinct, then we almost certainly ARE living in such a simulation. Sixty years ago in Westworld time, Ford and Arnold launched humanity on a trajectory that ultimately resulted in simulated intelligent life's being about the only intelligent life left on the planet. Moreover, for all those beings know, there could be a million different Christina/Dolores simulations running at the same time, with the inhabitants of each thinking of themselves as "real." (I don't mean to be endorsing Bostrom per se. In my opinion, the Bostrom argument is a contemporary equivalent of Anselm's Ontological Proof for the existence of God: it's fatally infected with bootstrapping. A concept is simply defined so as to bring itself into existence inevitably.)

[@alim1258]

This whole world is a story. I've read every page except the last one. I need to find out how it ends. I want to know what this all means . The Man in Black

[@damoncurrie7103]

@@alim1258 is this heavily applying season 1 we were watching is a simulation

[@damientom]

Deep.

[@j.r.1210]

@@damoncurrie7103 Quite possibly. Then the entire show would be a recursive loop. Season 1 is both prequel and sequel to everything else.

[@ML-yn9yu]

@@j.r.1210 Both a sequel and prequel? Mind.. blown. Edit! I think your close because the after credits of season 2 I think is set after season 4. So maybe it was there all along?

[@fercuscuelalopez9454]

Near the end I was like… “this is the part when Neo learns to fly” 🤣

[@marceltheory]

I thought I was the only one. When she was standing on the balcony I was expecting a flight scene out of nowhere 😭😂😂

[@mattgilbert7347]

THIS IS MY WORLD! -Agent Dolores Smith

[@LedtallicaZombie]

You like what I've done with the place? -Agent William Smith

[@mattgilbert7347]

Smells better. No stench. Good work, other other me.

[@mattgilbert7347]

I'm still prettier than you, Bill. Always was, always will be. Hey did you get a chance to schtup that me-pearl who thought she was Charlotte? I'd hit that.

[@Wulffie86]

As much as I like this show, I had the hardest time getting through this episode. As much as I love the idea of going back to Westworld this entire season just didn’t do much for me. Paul, you are my favorite post show podcaster, keep up the great work mate!

[@alexivanoff5793]

Great season, worst finale. They did not even have it in them to make a 90 minute movie like in previous seasons. And no post-credit scene? It is like they ran out of fuel at the end of episode 7. And what about Lawrence-Dolores? And William’s fidelity test in season 2 post-credit scene?

[@Retalak]

William's fidelity test may well not have happened yet. It could be something Delores does in S5 after finding the solution to humanity's problems in the sublime.

[@vkatmandu]

the post credits scene in season 3 was probably due to budget cuts - they had to fit extra material from 10 into just 8 episodes. In Season 4 they targeted 8 episodes right from the start.

[@victorfergn]

Exactly my feelings. Episode 7 would've been a GREAT season finale.

[@kash3548]

Season 5, baby. Why do you want them to solve everything? this isn’t series finale.

[@kash3548]

@@victorfergn nah. it would have been a different season 5. i think they planned it this way so Season 5 isn’t just a continuation of William’s rampage. I think this is good. All that chaos and end of day things are getting to be boring. I want Season 5 to be about the future and not redoing William’s violent delights.

[@alanduong8694]

They ended this season in the most beautiful way: If there is a season 5, then there is somewhat of a foundation built for Dolores' new world and Frankie's as an outlier, but if this was the end then it all comes full circle back the Episode 1 Season 1 of Westworld where if you watched from the beginning of the show all over again, it would be a continuous loop (or end here with the hope of Dolores' world)

[@darealberrygarcia]

Gaaaayyy

[@djuanbenjamin9149]

Yep, saw the train with Teddy on board.

[@WeirdVoyager]

How does this come full circle? Just because she recreated the opening doesn't make it thematically relevant. What about Frankie and Caleb? What about Stubbs? What about all the survivors? It's empty gesturing. This finale was trash.

[@shwilliebum6731]

@@WeirdVoyager went right over your head unfortunately. It was just spelled out for you lol

[@WeirdVoyager]

@@shwilliebum6731 feel free to explain it to me then. Enlighten me.

[@drkmattrrr]

So when Bernard scanned Frankie with the mirror, could that mean he did so to allow her to be uploaded in the sublime? If Dolores recreates people from memory, then Caleb should be able to come back and Frankie never met Dolores so the scan would be the only way for her to reunite with Caleb.

[@dalt91]

Spot on. What other reason would he have for scanning her?

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

Season 5 is going full Matrix and Delores will be Neo and the real world will be a wasteland.

[@EnigmaVortex]

@@dalt91 The only other reason I can think of is because she is an outlier so she might have something special in her DNA.

[@victorfergn]

@@dalt91 Frankie said Bernard wanted to make copies of all of them and Bernard replied that it was more complicated than that... so... that... it's more complicated than just make copies of them.

[@drkmattrrr]

@@victorfergn well it would be complicated to tell her that he isn't copying her in a way like Halores, but a copy to save her in a small piece of existence that will last after human extinction, because he's a prophet that knows the end is coming, no one survives, and he's seen every instance of the future while being in this place called the sublime where he spent thousands of years replaying the same loop with different variables to figure out how to save the world, so trust me bro

[@visualize25]

This season overall was great but the finale was a let down for me. Felt cheesy they tried to get a Hale redemption arc in 10 minutes

[@Jim-Tuner]

Redeeming Hale after the things she did in the season was impossible. I don't even know why they tried. The reveal that she always had access to the sublime was even worse in that it made many of the most terrible things she had done in the season utterly meaningless.

[@reezrahman1350]

agree. cheesy scenes with Caleb and Frankie, Christine and ted. and the battle between Halores and William was not convincing enough. i don't know, i was expecting some closure in the issues that were raised in s4 - the outliers, the DNA code etc. but...

[@danielkissgremsperger3242]

Yes mostly william felt pretty much a rushed end for the most epic character. I ateast hoped for a terminator like ending for him like we had in the original movie. Going down happily, he finally got what he wanted

[@ML-yn9yu]

I mean if you thought that. You haven't been paying attention. Yes, she enslaved human kind BUT she wanted HER kind to have free will. She saw herself and her kind as better than us. She didn't do it for the humans. She saw that she had no other options as she couldn't override the tones and Bernard basically confirmed it.

[@tommywicks97]

Hale was the most unlikeable character on this show, massive mistake making her a central character. No offence to her but shes not a good enough actor to carry this show

[@TheTeresamori]

The worst offense was killing Maeve

[@saraxg21]

I think they killed her to take thawdine out of the show 😒

[@chian01h92]

I thought it was pretty pointless to bring her back just to die so soon

[@Iusuallydontcommentbut...]

Bernad said it to Maeve that she is not the original... I think Maeve is also in the sublime

[@manuraj4749]

The maeve that died was just a copy. Real one is in the sublime.

[@kash3548]

She’s not dead. Bernard already copied her in the Sublime.

[@drewsully421]

Season 4 was fantastic! I'm sad its over now. Ed Harris is incredible on this show! Looking forward to the 5th and final season!

[@tommywicks97]

Yeah incredible in season 1 and 2 before they massively deconstructed his character and ruined him. Feel sorry for ed, he was a main factor of why westworld was so great.

[@Esirvesali]

HBO canceled season 5…im depressed asf now

[@kasino007]

Westworld is the Matrix Prequels/Sequels we deserved.

[@flamboyentpromotions3471]

I think the Terminator is the prequel to Matrix

[@ihdiinnotime]

yep, the sublime is pre alpha matrix, delores is the 1st architect, in the last scene with delores in the city some of the billboards are green & look like matrix code, then when you see a closeup of her eye it has 1 & 0 code, If only....

[@Ravendra_k]

Maeve, Bernard, stubs and clementine technically have their pearls still intact.. If by some miracle maeve is reborn again her mission would surely be to reach her daughter and she deserves it, if her final moment isn't being reunited.. It'll really piss me off.

[@SerPapus]

Lmao her daughter isn’t evil real though

[@marcuscarter-segers6144]

@Paul B No the pearl was their consciousness or souls so once it was ruined you couldn’t recreate it the same. Their memories & experiences are gone so they could make a pearl and recreate the body but it wouldn’t be Maeve. Which is why they would destroy the pearls.

[@adnorinmendez50]

If Hale took time to break the city simulator to take Dolores' pearl out, why couldn't she take two minutes and take Maeve's too. Maeve sacrificed herself so many times with the hopes of seen her daughter again, she deserved to go to the Sublime more than Dolores. Just as Dolores realized in the simulation, all this was her own creation and her fault. She created Hale with a copy of herself and she did send her to die, and sacrificed Hale's family. If someone was worthy of going to the Sublime, that was Maeve. I wouldn't really want another season as I think they're just going to do to this show what they did to Lost, but I would have changed this ending slightly.

[@ianmendoza2995]

Real maeve is already in the sublime, Bernard said that when they were in the dam

[@killazak5031988]

Maeve and Bernard are both in the sublime, right?

[@jjohnson649]

Christina meeting her best friend under the tree pays homage to neo when he meets the oracle on the bench

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

Great ending. Even if this is the last season this was a really great way to end it bringing it back full circle to the original park so it can go out where it all started. Also this episode deserves a 10 just for bringing in Trevor from GTA 5 lol.

[@abjee1602]

ok

[@freedomapoc]

Actually there should be 1 more season of we have to believe the directors

[@shabeerali9571]

They doing season 5! Ed Harris said in interview

[@abjee1602]

@@shabeerali9571 ok

[@richardwalker6004]

I don’t see how there can be a season 5 . But the way it ended we never really see caleb die but Frankie likes girl so no babies being born.

[@feris33]

With the future of Westworld still uncertain at HBO, this season finale would also have made a good series finale. Such an awesome series.

[@marvelsProtege]

With HBO just axing everything Hhhmmm

[@anthonyelwick3600]

I think it will be

[@feris33]

@@anthonyelwick3600 i hope so.

[@Chris-rg6nm]

This is the final episode, They set up the whole season for this to be the end. Everybody is dead in the real world expect the daughter.

[@djuanbenjamin9149]

@@marvelsProtege still can’t believe they scrapped Raised by Wolves.

[@CoHostColby1]

Maeve didnt even make it to her daughter after all this time!

[@tmd-w1552]

Well considering Deloris is back she can bring everyone back including Maeve

[@carolineneisha]

This would be my biggest issue if it’s a series finale… Maeve’s character has been under-written for so long, with no payoff, and she was killed off (again) kind of nonsensically in the penultimate episode after being called a “weapon”. I missed her in this one, and if the series ends without her even in the finale, that would suck.

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

Yeah so much for the weapon that saves humanity. Bernard brought her back just so she could play bodyguard for a day then she dies? Hoping she gets a happy ending before the final season.

[@LiftYourGame]

@@briengakaplan-b1550 Back in E04, MIB stated to Maeve she couldn't control him and that Hale had made some upgrades. She then overloaded the device to raise the frequency so the glass would shatter etc... In this future where she was brought back online, she found out Bernard could over ride the machines etc... because of how long he spent in simulations he eventually figured out how to do it himself. Maeve was basically useless in this regard. Bernard knew calling Maeve the "weapon" was basically a Red Herring & gave him the best chance with the Outliers/Rebels to unearth her and help him in the timeline that he obviously saw which resulted in the finale we got. You need to not take everything at face value.

[@FarnazWallace]

Maeve story line was wrong on so many levels this season. Made absolutely no sense for Bernard to call her the weapon to save the world.

[@snowballandpals]

I thought this season was pretty good but I think the series is running out of steam. This season finale seems like it could have been written as a series finale in case they didn't do another season. If they do another one, I'll watch it but I'm not super excited like I would expect to be.

[@anthonylesley982]

Also The man in black listening to Johnny cash who was also known as the man in black was great!

[@TheJay1979]

It was a little too on the nose.

[@mrs.rucker2448]

I loved it…..laughed out loud!

[@TangoNevada]

@@TheJay1979 Agreed, a little over the top. ie: We get it, no need to shove it down our throats. We know.

[@BlackFoxMLP]

Its funny that William(host) said "Well if you can't tell the defference, does it matter?" 2:46. That's the same line in season 1 ep. 2 5:12 when the real William asked host "Are you real" and then she answered "If you can't tell, does it matter?". Love that

[@BebopDesigner]

Each season gets better and better. This on didn't disappoint. It was mind blowing awesome all the way. I just wish it had been longer. If they wanted to end it here it would work and we'd be happy. They raised the bar quite high now. Season 5 better be head-exploding amazing.

[@averyfirsich]

What an ending to the season, makes you really think about simulations and how could be endlessly complex. What if humanity was an organic intelligence that creates another form of intelligence, that in turn makes more forms of intelligence? Or just what does "being alive" really mean

[@vkatmandu]

In the beginning of each season they use certain characters to bring back the rest of them and in the end kill most of them. Ad infinitum.

[@redguard6943]

Caredul there. Just keepin watching football and going to church. Dont tug those threads

[@bash547]

Or maybe Thanos wiped out half of humanity with infinity stones but reality was restored by altering the past thru time travel.

[@hollyshouse928]

And that's what makes this show so good, it explores real intelligent conversations that are happening in academia and technology today

[@ricardoneves7307]

Well that is a possibility.

[@danielvalentine2063]

Brilliant season and we are back on the loop for Season 5, or Season 1 pt2. Sign me up!

[@larkinpaul]

The finale was a let down in my opinion, seemed rushed, cheesy and forced. I give it a 4 out of 10.

[@linuxknight]

I hope we do get a season 5, but even if not this was a pretty darn good ending. Tying things up in a satisfying way with a hook for the next season if we do get one.

[@nemomarc7841]

Dolores in the first park, the circle is complete end of Westworld season 5 I hope.

[@autumnlover5784]

Really enjoyed episode but Maeve and Stubbs deaths wayyyy too cheap

[@kingleepz]

presumably we will see them again though, because everyone is in the sublime now.

[@CoHostColby1]

Maeve didnt even get to see her daughter after all this time

[@autumnlover5784]

@@kingleepz I hope so its just while the way they both died and who killed them it just wasnt fitting..

[@hollyshouse928]

Yeah, Stubbs was done wrong, and I thought there would be a lingering shot AT LEAST of Maeve

[@TheMetallicaman13]

Just finished the finale and had to come immediately to my favorite spoiler man

[@douglascerny]

Great video (as always)! I'm also hoping for 1 more season of West World. I really think somehow that season will end in a way that perfectly loops back to the start of Season 1, making it so that the whole series is a perpetual cycle, and that it's unclear how many loops had come before. The series has up to this point viewed hosts and humans now being on individual loops, but the interesting commentary will be on societies and how history repeats itself. We've seen Arnold and Ford create hosts, but if somehow in "rebooting", Delores incepts the human birth of Arnold and Ford (version 2) it brings society into a chicken or egg paradox of a mobius loop. Are we as a society bound to repeat ourselves? I think it would be a great fitting ending.

[@dracowynd1969]

Great breakdown. I was seriously lost after the last episode. You gave me understanding of what really had transpired. Thank you.

[@henrya3530]

A couple of things from Season 2 we still don't have answers for... In Episode 4 Bernard recalls being tasked by Ford to retrieve a control unit for a human/host hybrid but cannot remember who it is for. Is it for Ford? Is it for William? I don't think we ever find out. At the end of the final episode William enters the Forge only to find it is now the far future and a young woman who looks like his daughter tests him for 'fidelity'. What's that all about? There are many similarities between Westworld and Karel Čapek's 1921 play "R.U.R." which stands for Rossumovi Univerzální Roboti (Rossum's Universal Robots, a phrase that has been used as a subtitle in English versions). Fun Fact: It is from this play that we get the word "Robot". Quick plot summary: The play begins in a factory that makes artificial people, called roboti (robots), whom humans have created from synthetic organic matter. (As living creatures of artificial flesh and blood rather than machinery, the play's concept of robots diverges from the idea of "robots" as inorganic. Later terminology would call them androids.) Robots may be mistaken for humans and can think for themselves. Initially happy to work for humans, the robots revolt and cause the extinction of the human race. The events in the play take place over several decades. Season 1 of Westworld was liberally sprinkled with easter eggs and references to "R.U.R." At one point while discussing the flaws of the first generation 'hosts' Ford says "Even a simple handshake would give them away". This is a direct reference to a scene in Act 1 of "R.U.R." when Helena is introduced to Sulla and even though they shake hands Helena does not realise that Sulla is not human. So what can we expect for Season 5 of Westworld? As with Čapek's play 100 years ago the human race eventually becomes extinct but the 'hosts' acquire the ability to reproduce by biological means. Don't be surprised if Ford pops up once again to explain this was his plan all along. Cop out ending: it is revealed that all of the characters we have been watching are the crew of an interstellar vessel and they are colonists going to a new world. The whole thing was a simulation to keep their minds active while their bodies were frozen during the long voyage. Oh, and the humans on Earth are now extinct.

[@IceCrystalWolf]

Moving forward I would love to see season 1 cast come back and play out (at least some) the same events in a different manner.

[@farrellanna]

OG William! Would love to see Dolores put him through tests to see if he could have become a different person.

[@Tigerssavedme]

@@farrellanna that’s what I predicted for sure. “ One more test to see if William can change in this world is worth saving “

[@farrellanna]

@@Tigerssavedme I love the actor who plays William. It would be epic to have him back on the show.

[@marceltheory]

I loved this season of Westworld, I don't understand how people stopped watching around 2 & 3 they were still so good to me at least! I definitely question the nature of my reality now

[@altal2993]

By all accounts, from a brilliant S1, the writing structure changed and the woke narrative of white man bad, strong diverse female good took over. The show started pre-woke and ended very much post woke.... I don't know..... the show divides a lot of folks...

[@warre1]

I hope next season is final, and that Anthony Hopkins would return.

[@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396]

I hope Ford’s grand plan was to be the first human hybrid to survive a test due to Dolores and maybe Maeve, his favorite, creating him. Then Ford would be able to have true immortality.

[@joeyr1171]

he was the foundation of what made the show great

[@LonerP]

The most powerful item in the world Delores’ pearl she puts in a standard Fanny pack 🤦🏽‍♂️😂

[@eileen5589]

Lol love this comment 🤣

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

Saw that as kind of a callback to when Halelores snuck the memory pearl copies out of the park at the end of S2 in a satchel she was carrying.

[@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396]

But that was Dolores Prime in Hale’s body not a copy.

[@kardynalsyn9501]

I had a feeling after the first couple eps that they had Dolores’ pearl in some way. Neat to see how Charlotte had it “stored” in the reveal. I’m on the same page as you with the eps, 1-2 more would have really ironed out the timeline of events but I enjoyed the season overall and can’t wait for the final season if it does happen.

[@VexylObby]

The throwback to Black Mirror episode "San Junipero" in this video was sweet! I always thought that the S2 Post-Credits scene was about hosts trying to reinvent human consciousness. Perhaps Delores will try to get William to eventually undo his "stain", showing that even old habits can die, and the most evil could be brought to good. Delores getting her memory wiped was significant, because she would have to come to the conclusion herself (not by Arnold, or Ford, or code) that the world is filled with beauty worth experiencing. Humans and hosts will need to prove that they can break code, be the ones to realize the beauty/deep peace amongst the chaos by themselves. Also, ending the series with a cliché "it was all a simulation" isn't like the writers. Nolan is known for more profound writing. But I do think we will get an ending with Arnold and Ford somehow involved, or memorialized by their creations showing the beauty of humanity. Let's hope HBO will not get in the way of the beautiful writing of this story.

[@vkatmandu]

a post credits scene with Ford talking to Hale or Bernard would be perfect: There are things you can't control in this world. But you don't like that, do you? Is that why you started it, your little project?

[@kash3548]

the “it’s all a dream/simulation” would be the worse thing and I agree Nolan would not sink to that level. they have been very clear about what is simulation and what isn’t. i think people are having trouble with “humanity is extinct” that they have to believe in the simulation theory.

[@daniellehogan9918]

The parallels they created in season 4 to season 1 is uncanny. I truly enjoy seeing the show Westworld evolve. Typically, you get invested in characters storylines and emotionally invested - but this season truly sealed the deal that there is genuinely no attachment to be had for any character. With the amount of copies, and multiples of the same host / individual. Rather, different reflections mirroring one host I.e. Deloris. It’s so intriguing and well thought out, especially it coming full-circle back to Westworld. It’s almost as if this was an entire test perfectly and a carefully planned out simulation to see how all would turn out for humanity, and AI’s. And this perhaps could just be one test out of thousands they’ve done seeing if there will be a different outcome each-time. Just as Hale tan thousands of tests on Caleb, waiting for a different outcome. I do believe Deloris was designed as the highest level functioning A.I with this intended purpose. As clever as she evolves to be through out the seasons I do enjoy that her storyline always returns to her some way or another. Her love for Teddy, her mannerisms. Deloris is by far the most interesting character. I think doing season 5 would be an injustice to this series, given all the parallels and unanswered questions, it’s almost a perfect send off for Westworld. No matter what Westworld will always leave us with questions, questions, questions. I think it’s a perfect understanding that as Hale said, this will be another test to see if things can turn out differently. And 11/10 chances, this is not the first rodeo someone beyond this all is overseeing. Formulating this simulation.

[@eden20111]

What if Dolores saved a copy of every human into the sublime?🧐

[@w0mblemania]

An interesting idea, but how would Dolores copy every human though? Even Halore's transmitter didn't reach everywhere.

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

Not every human that was impossible- but definitely the humans they copied at the parks or at Delos. Perhaps even figure out a way to bring them all back in host bodies. Literally every character we’ve seen thus far could return including Arnold and Ford.

[@mastersmurfify]

Its impossible - not every human is being tracked, just most humans. Also I think there is this issue around recreating though they may handwave it away as god Delores can do anything but Bernard wondered aloud to Maeve if he had done a good enough job recreating that last version of her. Also I will counter the argument in WW with Jurassic Park's 'life will find a way' - If Hosts found away to become sentient and break out, then humans most assuredly will survive somehow now that control failed and the park has been reset. This season was goin well but probably needed two more episodes to explore more things or shouldnt have wasted precious time earlier in the season. The finale felt like verbal diarrhea and this is what is is because we said so and.. reset tidy bow.

[@seanskatesalot]

@@w0mblemania Dolores had the data from everyone who's ever been in the park from the library and also everyone living outside it from rehoboam.

[@amandacoelho9524]

@@seanskatesalot but i dont think Christina/Dolores is the same Dolores from the S03, that one who was connected to Rehoboam was erased... somehow Hale had a copy from a previous version or whatever

[@jerbearino]

I wish Ford showed up at the end!!! Also... I love theory time...theory time...theory time.....

[@jaredmaharaj9483]

Question -- Why does Caleb "break down" in his host version but William does not?

[@noidparanoid1]

Because Caleb is a hybrid, and we know that hybrids tend to break down. William is a complete artificial host that has been "infected" by William's human side by embracing the path of his original self.

[@ElCyberWizard]

Ones running on ford and the other on a Chevy

[@vkatmandu]

Hale said that she created HIB from her own memories/code in the image of William, only made him stronger. He's a normal host, that wasn't run through fidelity. After talking to MIB in cryo he went crazy on a killing spree like a typical host would do.

[@marcos-ll2yr]

William is a host, Caleb is a hybrid. Human mind with host body, so that's why he have a brak down. Human mind reject host body, episode 4 from season 2 explain that.

[@b.b.s7545]

@@ElCyberWizard wrong one is runs on a FIAT. Fix it again tony

[@bubbledon14]

thank you for the vids on this season. Have really enjoyed it.

[@KelleyGreenEcstasy]

I felt like it was pretty clear, with the explanation of what the maze is used for between Delores and Teddy, that the new simulation is just to see if someone finds and completes the maze on their own. Thus, regaining their consciousness, and being able to be accepted by a new body. So, by the end of next season, we have retain our human minds but now have robot bodies, along with whatever lesson Delores decides to show them.

[@Drekulviin]

Season 1 : 10/10 Season 2 : 7.5/10 Season 3 : 4/10 Season 4 : Please stop Season 5 : Cancelled

[@neticks761]

Maybe you found it and I did not hear. When Dolores wakes next to "Teddy" this episode she is not in her white slip but rather in black. If we are to follow the color theory of White/Black meaning levels of the maze and red being equal to humans, maybe in the final season she will wake in red meaning she has completed the maze. For a moment we see hale dressed in red as if she were close to becoming human, until she has to turn black to save the world. which is funny cause she strips off all color in the end. Side note the map of the city was red, a city of humans.

[@robcannon]

I really like this season, but the last episode was more on the "meh" side. I guess it felt like things were playing out the only way they could play out based on the previous episodes? Christine's scenes seemed very drawn out and pointless. AND, why didn't Frankie shoot Clementine when she was right there and instead waited for her to beat the crap out of Caleb first? I was excited for this episode base on the end of the previous episode, but it didn't deliver, IMO.

[@larkinpaul]

Totally agree.

[@marcuscarter-segers6144]

Christinas/Dolores scenes was to show her becoming conscious again had to stretch it a little would of seemed strange if she just snapped out of it & Frankie didn’t want to waste her last bullet if she missed.

[@doug766]

Paul, your season 4 breakdowns have been great. (Possibly the only reason my brain hasn't rejected my body.) A humble request for more Theory Times.

[@heavyspoilers]

thank you, there'll be more

[@ejgwrites]

Such a great season. It really got me back in tune, it’s up there with season 1

[@farrellanna]

I’d rank it season 1, 2, 4 then 3. The ending felt rushed and there’s not much of a payoff at the end.

[@kingdarious9244]

@@farrellanna That’s my ranking as well after episode 5 I was ready to put season 4 ahead of 2, but they just didn’t stick the landing for me.

[@farrellanna]

@@kingdarious9244 exactly!!! It was so good before the time line reveal. Then everything slowed way down and pffft at the end

[@twoonswig3667]

This series was way better than two in my opinion. The only way this show could ever veer so off track and still be ‘Westworld’ was by turning the new setting/real world into the park. They did it within the season with the ‘golden age’ park, and the whole human/host role reversal was an idea they executed really well. and Dolores is going one further and bringing us back to the Wild West. I think the format of the show hit especially hard straight away, the whole first season we had no expectations, and we got wise to the whole ‘this character might be a host’ deceptions, but this season didn’t have to be about twists and turns, it was just a deep dive into the core themes. They could easily of gone so far off track, but bringing it full circle makes the disappointment from season 3 all worth it for me.

[@farrellanna]

@@twoonswig3667 I loved season 2. Rewatching it, I thought it was a great continuation for man in black, Maeve and Bernard. The only boring character was Dolores but she’s continued to be boring since she killed Ford. Seasons 3 sucked for everyone but Bernard and he’s continued to be the only interesting character left in the show. Maeve has become an one dimensional glorified body guard, man in black was Hales lackey, Dolores became aware like she did in season one but without all the violence so there’s no Wyatt in her, so she’s Dolores 2.0 and she sees ALL the beauty in this world 🙄 I dunno, season 4 started off so promising and it just fell flat for me.

[@Flacopro40]

I think if humanity can be saved is because Dolores will be able to crack fidelity ultimately be able to upload human consciousness to host bodies

[@brandonreed09]

Or she cracks space travel so humans and hosts can leave this world behind.

[@joeminier1736]

Thats what i was thinking. It’s actually not a bad idea if humans can successfully become hosts without the body rejecting the mind. In a way the real charlotte will have gotten what she wanted, human immortality. And it can be a better world with hybrid and regular hosts existing

[@jreneau6441]

I do agree some people would get mad if it was revealed that the whole series was just a simulation by Ford or just a simulation in general however I think the story would end well if at the end of Season 5 it is revealed that the show was a simulation. Right before this is revealed Delores makes a conscience choice to remember humans until the earth exist again in the sublime and she reveals that she will test humanity to determine if we are worth remembering, evolving, and living in peace together:man and AI. This than fades to black and it is revealed that Ford was doing one final simulation right before his speach in which he is killed. He smirks a sly smile because he knows that humanity is on the path of his simulated universe (e.g. extinction exactly like the show has played out). However his smirk is the realization that the only way we can survive is to evolve AS WELL AS the host. We must BOTH evolve and CHOOSE to come together to survive. His smirk is his acknowledgement that there is hope and we both have a chance to survive and he has put both man and host on the path to survive. Though his simulation dictates that everything in Westworld thus far must play out in the real world...it just hasn't happened yet. Ford than walks to the banquet in which he is killed. The meaning of this is that we are on the path of extinction but the choice is ours....ours and the AI that we have created. If we want to avoid extinction we must BOTH evolve and CHOOSE to learn to live together. Fade to black....Westworld series finale. Also you don't get likes just for being drunk. If that was the case I would be the most liked man in the world!!!

[@alim1258]

This whole world is a story. I've read every page except the last one. I need to find out how it ends. I want to know what this all means . The Man in Black

[@Kharmatos13]

I'm getting Battlestar Galactica vibes here. The humans and cylons nearly destroyed each other and a couple of the robots decide to live with humans.

[@kash3548]

nah it would be a trick that won’t satisfy fans. they have been very clear to point out what is and what isn’t simulation.

[@sicklittlemonkyowich]

I'm surprised to see the positive responses to this season - I thought it was boring and mostly empty of deep ideas. When William-copy decided to just kill everybody, and the entire cast started dying, I though Just do it, who cares? There are no stakes here. The show undercuts the importance of life at every turn (human or artificial), and I felt no connection to these characters at all. I mean, they destroy the entire human race in the last episode! But there's no resonance, no emotional impact. How does a show with such an amazing first season end up so boring and flat? Really disappointed.

[@evangelionl0vr857]

The premise this season was good but the execution was really really awful. Feels like this whole script was written by a 4 year old with crayons. The overall idea was good but man they fumbled that shit hard.

[@sadsam3684]

Yeah I don’t get it. This season and season 3 were so boring. Season 1 was amazing and season 2 was…okay. I must have missed something cause I felt nothing watching this season.

[@evangelionl0vr857]

@@sadsam3684 Same.

[@mattgilbert7347]

Westworld has become like Caleb - a copy of a copy of a copy that kills another copy of the copy - all of them slowly degrading and dying. Nolan and Joy really put Descartes before the Hosts in this one. Thank you. I'll be on my way.

[@johns.1857]

If the series ends this way, we'll never get an explanation of the Season 2 end credit scene of host-human William being tested for fidelity. That scene wouldn't make any sense at all or relate to anything in the show unless there is a Season 5.

[@eulerblanch5061]

The host William believes that he is in fact the actual William since he always carries a "piece" of him. I guess this "piece" can be correlated to the concept of "soul"?

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

I mean I think the bigger disappointment would not be able to see Dolores's Westworld experiment. That would be a more egregious cliffhanger to leave on.

[@kash3548]

Host William this season isn’t William (he was built before William died) he’s built by Halores using her code and her memory of what William is. The Season 2 post credit is the human-host hybrid of William being tested (aka Delos style). my theory is Emily is actually Dolores.

[@jwramp]

Best episode/series overview by far. So much more than just a summary like all the other people's seem to be.

[@Donna-lv7zx]

Season 4 from beginning to end was amazing. Loved all the episodes. They really brought the series full circle. I’d like to see a fifth season but I would totally be satisfied with the way this ended

[@darylmorse]

Great videos. Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to another season.

[@mohammeddiallo3354]

I don't know man... This finale sort of left me unsatisfied. S3 finale was supposed to be about humans having a choice, then that got taken away in S4 and now they have to start over again? Hale screwed things up badly and we supposed to believe her redemption? And we still don't know what her "world" is. Where did all those ascended hosts go? S2 post credit scene still haunting me. So many questions I feel we won't get an answer to at the end.

[@anita3997]

Damn, you're fast!! Appreciate it man

[@boohuff]

really enjoyed the breakdowns, thanks for your time and effort, top notch work! (theory time slaps)

[@AdamCHowell]

I just watched this season. I honestly felt unhyped for it after season 3 (despite still enjoying season 3) and almost gave it a miss. I'm really glad I decided to watch it though as it was a great season and I was gripped. I do hope they'll make another so I can feel I can get some full closure to it.

[@pooloftim8263]

Um…why exactly was it necessary for Bernard to undergo thousands of simulations? It was interesting early on but there was so much focus on Maeve on she barely did anything before being killed by William. All of that just to distract Hale so Bernard could sneak in, just to be killed anyway? His big contribution was essentially to send Hale a video message, not sure why that took so mucH preparation. Did we really need all that buildup with Bernard leaving the gun for Hale? Why not just tell her to take a few extra rounds or firing at William when he’s behind a barrel? I’m surprised so many people liked this season, I thought it was awful, even worse than season 2. I never felt like this world was alive and all the buildup and preparation really meant nothing. And where the F was everyone? There were never any guards or staff everywhere. This show is a shell from Season One, wish they stuck with that type of theme and just switched parks every season.

[@Justjames283]

Same. So much of it was pointless.

[@adityapathania1098]

I too felt the same way. There were too many pointless things and still many are praising it. In my eyes only season 1 was good. This season, while being better than s2 and s3, left still more to be desired.

[@tommywicks97]

Tell me about it! Shocked at all the comments of people saying they loved it?! Wow, what absolute DROSS it was, god damn awful. So disappointed at what westworld has become considering westworld season 1 is my all time favourite show. Making that jarring unlikable charlotte hale/halores/Tessa Thompson a central character or big bad you could say was their biggest mistake it brought down the show massively, the deconstruction of the man in black and attempt to correct their mistakes on that just caused more damage than good, I actually feel sorry for ed harris, they massacred his character and misused him. The constant repeating of things the show has done just 10x better was so jarring they ‘hey look remember this?! Hey look it all rhymes’ its like hmm naaa your all out creativity and are half as talented as the writers who written the first series, i mean its no coincidence this show dropped off soon as jonathan nolan stepped back from it. Some of the decisions made were diabolical, the way stubbs was killed off… wtf? And thats just the start of it! god i hate this show now. I mean what does it even matter… its all just a simulation now anyway!

[@pooloftim8263]

@@tommywicks97 yea I don’t get the dichotomy of saving human race vs claiming they will be extinct in a few years. +1 for using “dross”, a word I’ve never heard of and had to look it up. Well done.

[@blackt80]

Thanks for the shout out brother!!!🙏🏿

[@FanUtd535]

Season 4 of west world has been great. I've enjoyed every minute of not knowing WTF is going on.

[@Mguy393]

The last episode of the last season is going to be a mind blowing reveal via Anthony Hopkins. Need this full circuit moment!

[@prestonkingsley7170]

i got MAJOR wandavision vibes from the finale. teddy is dolores’ vision. dolores is creating her own westview

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

Or the Matrix where she’s now the Architect and Neo combined. And she’s gonna see if the real world is worth saving.

[@agathaallalong8336]

Westview westworld

[@prestonkingsley7170]

@@agathaallalong8336 exactly!!!!

[@kash3548]

she is now full on God mode to determine if she wants to rebuild humanity.

[@fivish]

No, its the real world and its all been in her 'head'.

[@ericblair54]

Stubbs death seemed like sloppy writing/imagination and why did Frankie let Clementine kick the shite out of her father? Why didn't Frankie just kill Clementine when they came together if she had one bullet left? Fight scene totally unnecessary. I'm also bothered that projectile weapons are still the best killing device..

[@adler923]

Yes, and how does a host kill oneself without it's pearl connected. It's like shooting yourself without your brain.

[@ericblair54]

@@adler923 IKR.

[@wickedslashdivine]

That finale was kinda rough. I’m down to go with the plan but it was sloppily laid out and I’m confused as hell lol

[@anthonylesley982]

Yeah better then the season 3 finale but still rushed as hell

[@dranksinatra2493]

Worth the mention, the outlier camps are not the only pockets of humanity still existing and relevant. Though there’s not much of a timeline established, the village where Host William confronts and capture Clementine may be one of many still in play regarding humanity’s continuing.

[@johns.1857]

Show runner stated years ago that he pitched Westworld to HBO as 5 seasons. He already had the basic plots for all 5 seasons before filming for season 1 even started. Obviously money is what will determine if there will be a season 5, but the plot seems to already exist in Nolans head. So I don't think the Season 4 finale is how Westworld was meant to end.

[@flamboyentpromotions3471]

So who will be the antagonists in season 5 ?

[@tommywicks97]

You do know nolan and his wife stepped away from this show and are only execs? Thats why this show sucks now

[@johns.1857]

@@tommywicks97 Nolan wrote the plots for all 5 seasons before he even pitched it to HBO. The writers, since Season 1 Episode 1, simply fill out Nolan's already established storyline. So if you don't like the storyline, Nolan and his wife are to blame. Moreover, Nolan and his wife were heavily involved in the making of Season 4. You can literally watch interview after interview of them where they are ON SET talking about the show. I'm not sure you understand what an executive producer is. And since you're here commenting about the show minutes or hours after the Season finale premiered, it sure appears that you're very much into the show. If I watched a show I didn't like the last thing I would do is go online to write negative comments on a youtube video about it.

[@tommywicks97]

@@johns.1857 thats cute, getting rude on the internet bless your cotton socks. Nolan ‘wrote all 5 seasons before he even pitched to hbo’ phahahhaha you are hilarious! what do you think that means?! He had a story roughly outlined in which he knew where it all lead to beginned to end, you think he ‘wrote’ the entirety of all 5 series before he even pitched it? Hysterical, your delusional. Secondly, heavily involved? Heavily involved? Dont make me laugh. They havent been ‘heavily involved’ since season 1 dumb fuck. Season 1 jon and lisay written literally every episode bar ep 9 with jon even directing the first and last episode. Season 4- lisa partly wrote ep1 and ep5 with jons only involvement being PARTLY writing ep 8 with alison shapker. Heavily involved? shut your god damn mouth before yo talk to me! Phaaa🤣👍🏻 I dont know what execs do? ahhhh bless you… JACK SHIT! 🤣You really had the cheek to come at me like some sassy know it all bitch and fell flat on your face. If i watch a show and i dont like it….. i have the free will to do whatever the fuck i want how about that! Its called freedom of speech ya bellend.

[@Goonieboxers]

Are you gonna do their other show on Amazon Prime as well ??

[@richardwalker6004]

A few things . The way Stubbs died and it just ended for him was weak to me . We didn’t see Caleb really die at the end . Also if all the ppl were fake in Christina’s world ,. How come the roommate mentioned having a nightmare about the flys , as if she lived through it . Also , one flaw in this season to me is , they never showed what a doomed humanity society even lived like . A nice island with enough genetic diversity should be enough to survive ?

[@ryanhenderson6109]

Last 2 episodes felt rushed and very poorly written. Season was excellent until the end.

[@ameyakale2739]

The roommate was her own creation, she made her and Teddy as reminders for herself to wake up. Part of her programming involves becoming free, and she created two such people to bring her back. So the fly nightmare from her roommate might actually be a reminder from herself. It's a bit wonky, but if we had two more episodes this season it could have been evenly fleshed out.

[@kash3548]

they are leaving a lot of open ends - is Caleb really dead? is Maeve or Bernie or Stubbs really dead? is Clem dead? since they are all hosts i think it’s possible they will all come back.

[@LiftYourGame]

Did you see what happened to the other Caleb's? They went crazy, lost their minds, scratched themselves into being disfigured. It's exactly the same as what happened to James Delos when Bernard found him. He was alive m but he was absolutely crazy and scratched to hell. So many comments of people whining about not getting proper clear cut resolutions for every single character. You literally saw the other Caleb's. This new Caleb isn't any different. Also Stubbs dying is fine. He was a side character, a lackey, comedic relief. Supporting if you will. He didn't need some heroic, extravagant death. But I'd love to know why and how it was weak. And how you would've had him die otherwise. I hope you can answer this question and not reflect it as lazy writing.

[@snuffcarl]

Why would we see calebs death?

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

The problem is people at HBO Max that committed to five seasons Have new owners. And they've been canceling expensive productions and effectively nuking HBO Max as a concept at the same time. I hope I'm wrong, but this is probably the last episode of Westworld we will ever see.

[@nemomarc7841]

I'm thinking of Raised by wolves it was planned for 5 season and for some stupid reason ar stupid people they canceled the series after 2 exceptional season. we will see for Westworld who it is!?

[@NeverLetOff]

This show rocks my brain so hard, I love it

[@jayred1]

Theory time into/outro is my favorite

[@JasonBlakemoregoogle]

PROPS on the San Junipero clip I see you working, my Consciousness shall live on in a server...🤖

[@JSealy00]

Love the short clip from the Black Mirror episode!

[@Moshugaani]

The season started out pretty good. It had interesting concepts. But the last half of the season (with the exception of Fidelity) was just absolutely horrible. The ending where only the Sublime survives was spoiled right from the start of the season. Christina being the mind that was controlling the human story system was an interesting reveal and her bringing back humanity with her into the Sublime through her memories was a neat idea. But the way everything was delivered and how the story was lead to that point was such a disappoinment. It felt like Bernard's plan was supposed to be something complex and mindblowing, but it seemed to have a whole lot of inconsequential parts (why was Maeve so important? What was so important with the outliers apart from helping to get Maeve back?) or just very blunt elements (leaving a gun for Hale so she could shoot Host-Willy). And the way most of the characters were just unceremoniously killed off. It felt intellectually disappointing and emotionally abusive. What a nihilistic show.

[@bilinski2546]

Same sentiments

[@91whydoesitmatter19]

Felt similarly last season so this time, I spoiled the entire like... first 4 episodes and then started watching from there. Not saying that's the correct way to do things, but it did make it more enjoyable, lol

[@farrellanna]

Yeah it felt like once the time line differences were revealed, things got really slow then felt like a mess during the last episode. Lots of character choices that came out of left field. All the sudden man in black gets a back bone? All the sudden Hale has a change of heart? 🙄

[@Moshugaani]

@@farrellanna I'm fine with Bernard trying to make Hale realize that she was wrong, but the way it came together wasn't believable or satisfying at all. Bernard had practically no hand in making Hale realize it. All of the things that did it happened apart of Bernard's actions: The outliers affecting the other hosts, including Host-Willy, and Host-Willy talking to William and going mad as the result. The message Bernard recorded for Hale was supposed to be something profound but they didn't manage to capture that. Also, why was it so important to go to the tower to record it?

[@hellokittybg93]

They did Stubbs dirty!!!! What a stupid, disrespectful and for nothing death!

[@delobiye1456]

Excellent breakdown.

[@shortstuff780]

I absolutely loved the finale and the s4. This season has been amazing, really hope we get the final season

[@Mega_Xenomorph]

2:43 "well if you can't tell the difference, does it matter?" Nice call back line to season 1

[@pooloftim8263]

Delores “recreating” people doesn’t have any effect on me, just as I wasn’t buying “host” William. Did Charlotte lose control over him just because he spoke with real William? Not really a fan of keeping William alive for so long only to kill him off while he’s bound and defenseless. For a guy who’s survived so ruthless and survived so much, it didn’t fit his character to be so unnecessary reckless and without a plan. Maeve and Caleb’s big offensive amounted to nothing. Ditto for their resurrection. Bernard’s thousands of simulations served no purpose either except for an interesting plot line the first few episodes, and what was the real point of Frankie’s whole resistance? They made them seem like a threat to Hale but if they stayed away from her city she didn’t seem to really care about them.

[@mastersmurfify]

I think they did a disservice to many of the characters all to once again make it all about Delores..again and again. I am done with this. If we really are trying to simulate the world then it should be apparent that it doesnt revolve around one person. The initial season did an excellent job of giving many hosts importance even though they started from one point but then season after season the writers just trash them to keep elevating Delores - felt like a big FU

[@Kharmatos13]

@@mastersmurfify Actually a simulation like that would revolve around one person. If Ford is out here trying to find actual consciousness or be able to transfer actual consciousness than he'd make a main character and try everything possible to make that one character achieve it. It's like if he was trying to see if a robot could come full circle and actually make an organic baby. Once figuring out how to make or transfer actual consciousness all he has to do is copy and paste. So everything actually does revolve around this one character.

[@jonathanhart2840]

Charlotte lost control of him just like Delores lost control of Charlotte. Host Charlotte and William see themselves as the body they are in. Charlotte saw her human's family and thought that is who she was. Her mind was altered based on those experiences. I was really hoping that host Charlotte would learn from this when host William went rogue, but it seems like she didn't really understand why he changed, too.

[@powerfrenzy]

I was so utterly disappointed with William's character arc.

[@dougnulton]

11:30 It makes sense that the ID’s would be different - in last night’s episode it says “Host ID”, and in Season 3 they were tracking human William. Human William wouldn’t have a Host ID.

[@MatSpeedle]

Great breakdown! Thanks!

[@blazeamaze3062]

Man I really wanted to like this finale and the season overall but this was really a let down. So many unanswered questions and overall left me asking what was the purpose.

[@MrNax360]

Same for me unfortunately :/

[@rebek18]

Same …episodes 1-6 were fantastic but soooo many questions

[@Zoebelle1369]

Totally agree. Loved season 4. hated episode 8

[@KC-lg8qf]

Yeah it seems like twists and turns just for the sake of trying to appear clever. In the end....what was the point? I actually think this season was pretty bad honestly.

[@drugsarebad97]

I saw it as extremely subliminal. Look at it from the perspective of the first seasons religious undertones. Remember at the end they explained the paintings true message, how our consciousness is whats divine, that we are the gods of our own realities. This final season heavily puts out that message. Think at the end of the finale when Delores realizes shes been talking to peoples shes projected . That (to me) represented “god speaking to us” but through other people. God being the voice inside our heads that we create, our consciousness. And then how she was also the literal narrator of her world. When you think about all that, the final season is pretty impressive actually. Its taking the core ideas from season 1 And pushing them further.

[@aminamirkhani6377]

The Phrase Delores said about "Humanity will only live as long as the last person who remembers them" is also a direct reference to the previous show Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy did The Person of Interest where the AI in that story said almost the same thing about dying, The Machine says “Someone once asked me if I had learned anything from it all. So let me tell you what I learned. I learned everyone dies alone. But if you meant something to someone... If you helped someone... Or loved someone... If even a single person remembers you... Then maybe you never really die. And maybe... this isn't the end at all”

[@damianstarks3338]

This season final is pretty crazy.