PCSO: Car sold by Carvana was reported stolen

[@ronjohnson9032]

If a citizen sells stolen property, what happens? Carvana does it consistently, and there is no legal action.

[@timg2973]

it depends if you know its stolen or not. Carvana was scammed as well and loss money.

[@gullreefclub]

@@timg2973 I personally have a problem believing that someone in Carvana did not at least have a very good idea that this was stolen. I say this because as part of their advertised 150 point car inspection checklist the first three points are 1) Correct VIN plate and anti-theft labels, 2) Clean Experian Auto Check Confirm, 3) No reported accidents/flood damage/salvage. To explain why I firmly believe someone at Carvana should have known that there was something highly irregular with this vehicle and that it was either stolen or being misrepresented by the person/company that was selling (sold)it to Carvana which should be an immediate deal breaker for Carvana purchasing the vehicle. I was a mechanic for 24 years until a life changing injury forced me to find another line of work. In those 24 years I worked at 2 dealerships, and 3 private shops as well as running a side business of doing presale vehicle inspections for people buying used cars and light trucks. The first thing that I would do when inspecting a car would be to compare the public VIN number(s) (Dash, Door post, Trunk and Underhood with the “hidden VIN numbers (and then with the ECU if equipped with that information while I am checking the engine/transmission/etc service/fault codes. I would also run the VIN number through the auto maker/dealer vehicle history system if it was a Ford, GM, or Chrysler product and if another vehicle make I would use a service such as CarFacts, or Experian. Additionally I had any inclination that the vehicle was stolen I would give a state trooper a call and have him run the VIN. I guess the 64 dollar question you might have is how cars did I run across in the 15 years I ran my vehicle inspection side business that had irregularities with the VIN number and or were stolen and the answer is 1 in about 250 with some sort of VIN number irregularities and 1 in about 350 that was stolen in my area. I have a good friend who I raced with for years that lives in New Jersey and is a mechanic as well and owns a shop and he says that in his shop that when doing pre sale inspections they see a stolen car for sale about 1 in 225/250. My point is it is not that hard to spot a stolen vehicle if you have your eyes open and actually give a rats butt about what you are doing. Think about this if Carvana actually ran the VIN on that car though Experian that Vehicle Identification Number would of come back as invalid which should of been a dealbreaker for Carvana buying the car and definitely for selling the car. The thing that totally sucks about this is law enforcement generally does not do anything to used car dealerships if they sell a stolen vehicle unless they are caught in auto theft ring and the buyer is always the person who unknowingly purchases the stolen vehicle gets the short and dirty end of the stick.

[@kaoe145]

@@timg2973their has been citizens sent to prison and their only crime was getting scammed.

[@matthewspry4217]

​@@timg2973Only the innocent citizen goes to jail carvana nothing

[@NextNate03]

​@@timg2973 Carvana didn't do their job correctly.

[@Puzekat2]

This is not the first time that Carvana has sold a stolen car. Not even close.

[@mathewmclean9128]

They knowingly sell stolen vehicles. They run the VIN numbers and if the vehicle is reported as stolen, they sell it anyways just so they can make a profit thinking no one would notice. Someone needs to blow the whistle and expose carvana and their dirty practices. I've downloaded images of their executives and will be creating AI assisted x-rated materials of the executives getting dirty with each other and hold this against them until they shut down the company entirely.

[@Jose-rj6oe]

What happened is one lazy worker skipped the mandatory vin scan when buying it in and it slipped through.

[@AnthonyBrito-u8o]

Could also be possible that the thief knows someone that works at carvana and was able to pull it off

[@esabal1989]

This is not a surprise to me either. Been selling hot cars and they know it

[@VibeJayee]

It’s not I seen it happen in several videos it’s not a coincidence at all , same way the company “Drive Time” is saleing stolen cars and not paying their taxes as a company

[@LightningMcDrift]

sue them before they go bankrupt

[@ChrisL-oz4lp]

As soon as Carvana has paperwork from the cops, they already stated they'd refund the money.

[@LightningMcDrift]

they better refund insurance payments, interests payments on the loan, wear and tear, rental car expenses ETC....@@ChrisL-oz4lp

[@timk.3286]

my thoughts as well, this isnt the first time they have done that. I think Carvana is in on it. As a dealer they should run the V.I.Ns of all cars behind sold through there tag

[@ChrisL-oz4lp]

@@timk.3286 Since Carvana reimbursed all the buyers (as well as this guy) what would be Carvana's end game?

[@CbrF4i600cc]

​@@ChrisL-oz4lpwhere did you see the refund part... stfu

[@CarStory]

So much for that Carvana 150 point inspection.

[@markwilliams4525]

We know they at least missed 2 points

[@DanielRojas-nw3mv]

😆😆😆😆

[@peters8181]

​@@markwilliams4525 they didn't miss it. They ignored it

[@Jose-rj6oe]

What happened is one lazy worker skipped the mandatory vin scan when buying it in and it slipped through.

[@littlerscal]

😂 lol thats 151th

[@d.c.3220]

Carvana should have at least frozen the loan payments due until the investigation is completed. It's the DMV at issue here. They are the ones who allow false VIN numbers into their system and generate a legitimate title.

[@okiesailor5417]

The loan is probably with a different financial institution.

[@stevegonzales527]

@@okiesailor5417 the dmv worker was lazy and didnt verify all the vin locations or both parties (3rd party dmv office) were in on it. i always have to go through vin verifications physically at the dmv or dmv certified office. dealers dont go to the dmv they mostly use the 3rd party dmv offices

[@BeccaHetrick]

Carvana should have run the vin before they bought the car from the thief... It's THIER fault for not doing their due diligence. Not the DMV...

[@d.c.3220]

@@BeccaHetrick Carvana ran the vin, it came back legit since the DMV said it was!!! The vin number came back good since the DMV allowed it to be registered. This is a known issue with DMVs across all states.

[@BeccaHetrick]

@@d.c.3220 IF CARVANA DID ALL THESE CHECKS THEY CLAIM TO DO THEN THEY WOULD HAVE SEEN THE OTHER VIN NUMBER RIGHT AWAY!

[@froyo9674]

That company is liable

[@AtlasPower990]

Now I know never to buy from them. Thanks for this report!

[@HaHaThatIsFunny]

That is a highly unsophisticated criminal act. How hard is it to compare three numbers and plug in an OBD 🤦

[@Dannny-Lee]

LOL! 🥸 Carvana definitely has egg on their face. It must not be that sophisticated, if a regular random person in the market for a car was able to tell that previous Camaro owner that it was a stolen vehicle. 🤣

[@Mark-uv6sm]

Indeed, doesn't take A genius to figure that. Just shows the Dumbing of America worker's/ society.

[@roselynn816]

Wait, so the owner who had it stolen should get it back. Carvana should pay this guy back every penny, plus tags, taxes and insurance.

[@UmmYeahOk]

This is 100% insurance. A car that new most likely had full coverage. When the car was stolen, and never found (Thanks a lot OnStar), the insurance company wrote two checks. One to the original owner, for the amount he paid on the car, and one to the bank that gave him the financing loan. In other words, the car is seen as a total loss, and the insurance company now assumes ownership, should that vehicle ever return, in whatever condition it may be, it is theirs to sell to recoup whatever their own loss was. Unfortunately the original owner will probably never be given the chance to purchase his car back, neither will the current owner. Carvana has insurance too, so they should be not only covering for their own loss, but the consumer that bought from them as well.

[@memeseller1706]

@@UmmYeahOk it will be going to the auctions

[@Shiesty9168]

U won’t get sh!t back bc now the insurance owns it if they already paid u for the loss

[@UmmYeahOk]

@@y.70231) original owner WAS paid, by the insurance. That’s how full coverage works, which you’re required to have if you don’t own the car outright because not only would the owner lose the car, but so will the bank that still owns the car loan. 2) Both Carvana and the new owner bought a car that had been “vin washed.” In this case, the VIN wasn’t even real, and the state should’ve figured that out when a title was issued. Most buyers don’t go out of their way looking for VINs all over the vehicle. I do, because I use it as a way to talk prices down because why would there be a different VIN? Clearly been in a wreck, or broken into at some point. Carvana probably should have done this simply to get themselves a better deal, but then they should also run a CARFAX on every VIN discovered on it. This can be quite fun, because I once had a car, with a hood several serial numbers up, yet rolled off the assembly line the exact same day as the car itself. What are the odds?

[@royal_gaming9098]

@@UmmYeahOkonstars the worst, had my 2022 escalade stolen last year in august and onstar did fuck all to ever find it, still have not gotten it back

[@Timbrock1000]

CARVANA WILL BUY AND BRIBE THEIR WAY OUT OF THIS INCIDENT. Carvana has a very long, long record of questionable practices. Selling stolen vehicles (around 20 incidents), failing to provide paperwork for registration (over 7500 incidents), selling vehicles that were deemed totaled by insurance companies (hiding frame/ structural damage with new sheet metal), providing the wrong title to a customer for a vehicle), failure to deliver vehicles as promised, etc. The list goes on, and on, and on. Carvana has been under investigation numerous times by numerous agencies. Yet every time they are investigated, the investigation is mysteriously called off and cancelled! EVERY time! The founder of the company is a former con man who served time for theft and bank fraud. Carvana is probably bribing the right people to stay out of trouble!

[@roberthoppock5349]

I think I've seen or heard story's of cars that should of been totaled showing up at CARVANA

[@joesandoval8679]

@@roberthoppock5349so carvana took over Mannheim contract out in Portland Oregon in 2021 and I remember we are all getting played off but they were giving us an application for carvana and gave us the huge back story and lecture about how carvana started and what they were and I just remember looking at the guy standing up and walking out. I could just see the bullshit I was out.

[@SouthernPeach46]

He needs to get himself a lawyer the and sue to company. They are definitely going to give him the run around.

[@CbrF4i600cc]

SUE, SUE, SUE!

[@Jose-rj6oe]

The company will most likely give hime 100% of the money back and possibly a discount for another car

[@jiogcyihsugyiocjfdoivhphvw6821]

@@Jose-rj6oe or, nothing

[@ChrisL-oz4lp]

When you buy a used car, you ALWAYS check the VIN in at least three places.

[@ChrisL-oz4lp]

@@Look_What_You_Did No, it's not being STUPID.

[@Jason-rn4jk]

How was there a title produced for a fake vin?! This makes no sense….obviously he had to register it and obtain insurance….

[@ChrisL-oz4lp]

@@Jason-rn4jk It was sold to Carvana with a fake title. Titled in a different State with the fake title. Google: "fake auto titles"

[@therocksbaldspot1819]

No, they took the vin number off another car that’s a replica but totaled and put that vin number on this car. This literally blew my mind but this scam has been going on for years that’s why there is supposed to be a lot of different spots where the vin number is posted. and believe me it is hard to remove vin number these things are so sensitive. These guys are professionals

[@ChrisL-oz4lp]

@@therocksbaldspot1819 When you buy a used car, you ALWAYS check the VIN in at least three places.

[@SurviveTheDay]

Cops are going to drive the hell out of this car before it gets back to Texas.

[@chrisstock6505]

Arizona has or had an easy paperwork process to title a car with virtually no proof of ownership verification. There were several stories a few years ago where they were stealing brand new Ford pickups from dealers and even the assembly plant lots and driving them straight to Arizona and being issued new titles without them ever legally owning the vehicles. Then they would be sold wholesale or retail to car lots in Arizona and around the country with what looked like clean totles. That group of thieves was busted after a couple of trucks were tracked to Arizona and arrived less than a day after they were stolen. I don't know if the titling loophole was closed but this car may have been titled using te same system.

[@marcusgotosleep4853]

It’s still the same system here sadly

[@patmcbride9853]

Would be nice if someone goes to prison over this. And someone needs to remind Carvana that selling stolen goods is a crime.

[@Haarschmuckfachgeschafttadpole]

No, it's only a crime to sell knowingly stolen goods.

[@patmcbride9853]

@@Haarschmuckfachgeschafttadpole Failing to perform due diligence violates commerce laws when it comes to selling cars. There is an implied warrant of merchantability that says you are asserting that you have legal title and the car belongs to you.

[@jeffdur1330]

Imagine going to prison for a civil matter.

[@jeffdur1330]

​@@patmcbride9853yeah and it's a civil matter lol

[@patmcbride9853]

@@jeffdur1330 "lol" it's both.

[@Dancingontgesun1942]

OMG why are you buying from Caravana if you can afford a car like that?!?!?!

[@ChrisL-oz4lp]

Because they had one for sale.

[@Everythingisgoingtobealright]

@@ChrisL-oz4lp I think what he means is, if you’re smart enough to afford a $50k+ car, you should be smart enough not to buy it from Carvana. Carvana is where you go for a 4 year old Altima.

[@zachg9065]

Might have been the specific one he was looking form the 1LE Camaro is kind of hard to find @@Everythingisgoingtobealright

[@SRTGHOSTS]

@@EverythingisgoingtobealrightCarvana lets you keep the car for 7 days 400 miles. Go to a dealership once they get you out the door it’s your problem.

[@Everythingisgoingtobealright]

@@SRTGHOSTS Okay, good luck.

[@Shield.Maiden]

Never go to carvana. Carvana should have checked six times on all places its posted. I wonder who the original owner is.

[@incomitatus]

The original owner's name is William Carvana, strange. LOL.

[@Shield.Maiden]

@@incomitatus no way.... really?

[@TheMje1963]

Good luck to the guy in getting his money out of Carvana, they are a shady operation at best.

[@elephant1992]

74k for a Camero? You could have bought a Corvette for that price

[@YourPalQWERTY]

Good luck getting a C8 for that price

[@elephant1992]

C8 corvette starts at $69995 Wdym?@@YourPalQWERTY

[@elephant1992]

Corvette C8 starts at 69,995@@YourPalQWERTY

[@websterjrcameron]

It’s a zl1

[@Keithdagreat]

I smell a lawsuit for tax season🤷🏿‍♂️

[@ckarlgo]

What a shock that a company as disreputable as Carvana is selling stolen cars!

[@QuickStix26]

So Carvana didn't verify all the vin #'s located on the car?

[@NativeAmericanSwag]

This is the 2nd stolen car case where this same company sold a stolen car same make and model too! Shut them down and he needs to sue!🤦🏻‍♀️

[@boblab]

I would like to know which Authority person will wind up with this car and at what price? This would be a great follow up story.

[@972CHENZO]

This happens a lot with carvana. They sell a lot of cars without titles. There are a lot of people suing carvana because they'll keep trying to give customers temp tags from different states.

[@MisterMikeTexas]

Another crime is selling a 4 year old pushrod V8 Chevy for $74K!

[@marvbimmerboy599]

Have you driven one ??? Ion think so because This is a ZL1 supercharged beast its worth 74k

[@textman09]

You gotta get a decent lawyer, bro. I’m going to the same kind of situation with two trucks and the dealership and my bank. They Dealership took my truck with the remainder of the no on trade in for a new truck and they are supposed to send a check to my bank to pay off the old truck and the bank will send a check to pay for the new truck and then the title gets released and then Dealership could turn around and sell my old truck. Now the bank wants me to pay for both trucks it’s been a month and the dealer has not sent the check yet. I call them and as soon as it comes to their attention that’s me they hang up.

[@Flip_Hampton]

Carvana sold a man stolen Corvette story brought me here

[@FordRangerClassics]

Same here 5 hours later. But this is far from the first time I've heard about it happening. How are they still in business, it's honestly unbelievable

[@leonardfleming723]

"sophisticated criminal act"😂... they changed the vin number.

[@Phelper99]

It's criminal enough selling a GM vehicle for more than $10k to begin with, the trash they are.

[@TKsGarage]

And this is the 74th car or truck in 2 years they have sold that was STOLEN. Why are they not being prosecuted

[@MisterMikeTexas]

WTF?!! I've heard all sorts of bad things about Carvana, including from Steve Lehto, but, this takes the cake! 🤬

[@stupadasso1964]

The hits keep coming from Carvana. This company has been exposed for some of the slimiest scams ever.

[@thomasmabee1504]

File a lawsuit to caravan

[@imjustthere9343]

Guy bought a 2018 Zl1 for 74,000 pre owned too! wow he paid the extra 20,000$. They usually range from 49,000-65,000$.

[@pvrplefrank1155]

I was just about to say 74,000 for a camero and that year is insane

[@Mark-uv6sm]

$74.000 for a Car? OMG, what the Fxxx?

[@whatever210]

Obviously you don’t know anything about cars

[@Maybe1Someday]

The "sophisticated crime" was changing two stickers? Am I missing something?

[@chasem8491]

First and foremost crime here is : The customer paid $74k + for a four year old Camaro ZL1. That’s daylight robbery from Carvana.

[@Jo.Raquel]

I pray he gets his money back! FTC already

[@jorgemat8080]

This happens when people don't shop at local dealers. If you want your dream car, then look for it online and go buy it in person from a reputable used lot. Let the dealer or used car dealer do the work, and you have peace of mind. Any issues would fall back on the local car business and not an online seller with no face to show.

[@DMalltheway]

Many stealers out there, I mean dealers.

[@salvyballacc]

My guess insurance fraud. Who ever reported it stolen is the only one with access to the title. He switched out the vin before he sold it to carvana and reported it stolen. Case closed

[@Joe-kb3fj]

Good job news lady🎉

[@GOD-i3y]

these are the news we need

[@bankergeorge]

Paying $74,000 was the real crime

[@6figurewelderguy]

This is not isolated.

[@gullreefclub]

In this day and age it for a used car dealer not to have run the VIN against auto manufacturers vehicle history database and or not to have checked it for codes as well as to compare the ECU VIN to the “public VIN” located on the dash and the ECU milage to the odometer is absolutely absurd

[@Mienboi821510]

1st 🚩 is buying from Carvana. 2nd 🚩 is blaming Carvana 100% of due diligence when he should’ve also inspected the car pre-purchase/delivery.

[@static_Tricolor_camry]

The real question is, how you do continue to make payments on a car that's stolen and you clearly don't have in your procession anymore. At that point you go to your bank and make a stop payment immediately.

[@19993gt]

74 grand for a 4 year old camaro zl1 is theft. They’ve been trading for 50-60k 😂😂😂😂

[@SalvadorCastillo-n4r]

Stop buying VEHICLES online 😡

[@juanitawashington106]

Carvana say the same thing everytime this happens smh

[@ASHMONT1757]

Always be careful and be cautious

[@unknownperson2422]

Carvana should offer nothing less than a complete refund.

[@rmitchell1]

Sue and have them out of business immediately

[@tanveerkhalili5268]

71k for that crap. Buy a Mercedes like real man lol

[@RoIIingStoned]

Gay

[@CarlSwanson-e7f]

Always buy from a reputable dealership. They are out there, if you do the research. You might pay more, but if there is something wrong, contact the state attorney general. Carvana, the sponsors of Jimmy Johnson. The team director should void the contract and find another sponsor. Carvana.. it's not our fault, pure b.s. they need to be shut down!

[@Glock_Nico]

Why is he still paying insurance?

[@BlackBruceLeeTheGreatDekuTree]

I believe you have to have full coverage while you’re still making payments or you can forfeit your loan.

[@louismat319]

Carvana just didn't do their due diligence

[@SRG7796]

Its DMV at fault, not Carvana, they issued a title for a stolen vehicle making it legit for sale, which hurt both Carvana and the customer.

[@xxDevereauxx]

Its not just the last digits. The 65 and 62 are different as well. They missed that as well right in plain sight.

[@SmokeySantana]

Just going to write that... dumb people everywhere 😊

[@fk4515]

One of the few things the dealer has to warranty is the title.

[@thetrainwreck1469]

Let me see the Carfax lol

[@mr.crypto7626]

Damn I just seen a corvette that’s was stolen that carvana sold on tiktok😂

[@Thailegion]

Welcome to America

[@gdt5430]

Let's see Receiving stolen property, Offering Stolen property for sale, falsifying DMV documents, that should be enough to shut Carvana down for good. Only a fool would buy a car from Carvana.

[@ccb6013]

The fact that people are still patroning Carvana is crazy. Their customers are asking for problems at this point.

[@BillysRC]

How this made it past the vet process tho

[@alexlim1275]

who in the hell would by from carvana!

[@Uwolz]

They won’t pay him back, they’ll give him a car for lesser value and say they were a victim too.

[@Puzekat2]

Carvana is involved in this stolen car ring hello.

[@richardmesser1091]

Like you would know, Duh

[@writerconsidered]

@@richardmesser1091 Do a search on them. They are shady as all hell. It wouldn't surprise me. Put a corp. behind a crime and you can get away with anything.

[@P46345]

The reason it probably took so long to get a police report is because the guy that had the car for the last 17 months is being investigated for the crime.

[@imatter4619]

Carvana is an absolute rip off. The same exact car was being sold in the website for 48k, with 9k more miles, while they offered me 32k for mine, saying they had to waste all kinds of money to get it ready to sell. It was a Tesla with 37k miles in perfect condition. 2 weeks later I sold it for 43k. THEY LOWBALL PEOPLE BIGTIME

[@noahknight4039]

Stuck? Insurance getting canceled and I’m not paying anything else. My credit would recover. He should also sue and get everything he paid back plus extra for the hassle.

[@DuoMaxwell007]

Ok I'm confused he had the car for "years" but after 6 months this happened? Soooo is is years or 6 months?

[@RoIIingStoned]

The biggest crime is that he paid $74k for a 2018 Camaro

[@topdog19945]

Sounds like he has a lawsuit on his hands

[@RabbahDocRona]

This is NOT at all surprising. Bad Carma sold me a car they never had the title to. They are a corrupt business that needs to be shut down!

[@politicsuncensored5617]

I would peddle a bike before ever buying anything from Carvana. Shalom

[@spoderman2082]

$74k for a CAMARO? Good for you to get the story out but go to a lawyer ASAP. Also you can get a lot more car for that much money….

[@19993gt]

Why is he still paying insurance 😂😂😂😂 i guess he needs to protect the vehicle for his loan😂😂😂 sounds funny but is practical

[@nofsgiven3855]

Shouldn’t your insurance company caught that when you registered it or the DMV?

[@heavymetal1069]

74,000😅

[@AlienCel1]

Exactly 😂

[@melanie7781]

File a law suit. Tells me that Carvana doesn't even check out the cars themselves before slapping it up for sale. They should have caught that on a basic inspection of the car.

[@stevensmith856]

Carvana should be shut down

[@yiffytimes]

In this past year I have heard this happened with Carvana at least 25 times. This should not be happening.

[@CherishTheDead999]

Imagine he got a ticket for receiving stolen property

[@markrich3271]

Well carvana supports every one except doing the right thing.

[@dm7097]

Shouldn’t have taken a tv reporter to get involved in order to get a case/incident number.

[@Abcdefg-fl9td]

$74K???????? 2018???????

[@BMW_Z4idiot]

that is one brand new VW Golf GTI and one brand new loaded Mazda MX-5. Bloody hell

[@techwhipped]

This isn't the first time this happened 2 years ago to someone in Colorado question remains how many others out there are driving stolen cars.

[@Stuckinthepast_]

I literally saw this ad for sale omg

[@joshuarivera3617]

First mistake was buying a Camaro

[@dirgeofdementia]

First Red Flag: Carvana having a late model ZL1 in their inventory.

[@disneyfan9099]

Who cares? This is the risk of buying a used car from a shady place. You want the risk and he took the risk.

[@g3johnston]

That’s not the only time I have heard about Carvana selling stolen vehicles.

[@Abcdefg-fl9td]

How do you not Know when you’re getting the car insured???

[@scubasteve9566]

How is Carvana still in business?

[@Toysourboy]

"Except for the last 5 numbers" And the R62 - R65 part.

[@josephKEOarthur]

Looks like they need to have now a 150 and 1 point inspection of Vehicle and title.

[@josh7120]

$70k for a 2018?

[@gianfrancojoseramirez1189]

Ripoff

[@ninobrown90]

why would u buy a car to sell it a year later 😂