What 2 years of judo looks like in a BJJ white belt tournament

[@IpponQing]

For all the BJJ experts here, only Judo black belts are recommended to enter the blue belt division. Most dojos nowadays do not practice newaza much, and most competitive BJJ blue belts would give an average judo black belt a hard time. Anyways, good job out there! Keep grinding 🤙🏽

[@J3LYA]

Thank you for saying this! I’ve been getting a lot of hate for “sandbagging” but I swear I’m not good on the ground 😭😂

[@JohnSmith-rr3jt]

Kinda sad that Judo fighters can go straight to a blue belt, yet BJJ fighters couldn't even enter as a white belt in Judo lol.

[@RyanElvidge-s7o]

What aload of bs , I compete at blue belt and most judo black belts would throw me all over.

[@findus8269]

@@J3LYA I know a judo black belt and hes a BJJ white belt with 3 stripes

[@IpponQing]

@@RyanElvidge-s7oReading comprehension is important. I said most dojos don’t practice newaza, therefore a blue belt in BJJ will give them issues. Newaza = On the ground. Of course a good judo black belt would throw a BJJ blue belt.

[@RonnyDoplo]

Ayy I'm a judoka and I competed at the same tournament in the white belt division. I went 1-2. Got good take downs every match but, like you said, BJJ guys are good at BJJ haha

[@J3LYA]

Ayyy! That’s great man. Yeah I underestimated how good guard is even at the white belt level.

[@twinsunpredator7998]

OOOO soto Gari !!! Beautiful !!!! it's time to reunifies Judo And BJJ

[@J3LYA]

agreed! make grappling sick again

[@letshuman8985]

@@J3LYAWith leg grabs making a comeback in judo as well…oof!

[@J3LYA]

Yuuuup I can’t wait! Judo is my main sport and I’m pumped for leg grabs to return

[@UrbanDefenseSystems]

@@J3LYA When are they returning? Because I used go to a "Olympic" gym and these guys are too by the book. If leg grabs are back, I'm going back to the gym.

[@Livingtree32]

@@UrbanDefenseSystemsIt was announced recently

[@Taylorgreenbjj]

I did a little judo not a ton but I have quite a few highlight throws. I got really good at one or two throws since I was like 13 that I sort of naturally figured out and refined when my bjj club got a judo coach. it carries me far whenever I face a new opponent; if it’s a newer white belt I just KNOW I’m going to have a highlight throw. Unfortunately my foes who know me well don’t fall for my throws anymore and now it’s a real grind looking for new takedowns and better approaches. Good fun! Good work bro! Maybe one day we’ll get to throw eachother!

[@J3LYA]

Thanks for sharing! I think what makes the difference between a good judoka and an excellent one is throwing people even when they know it’s coming. When you look at world champs, they usually have one or two throws they specialize in. Everyone knows what they’re going for, yet they’re still tossing everyone with it. It’s crazy!

[@Taylorgreenbjj]

@@J3LYA there is definitely levels to throws! I had to face a brown belt judoka at a tournament not long ago and I get absolutely folded 😂. Love it though!

[@J3LYA]

Sooo many levels. The best judoka I’ve ever gone with would probably get destroyed by an Olympian. Martial arts are crazy

[@ivanivan5511]

Very nice Judo! You pulled that osoto gari very smoothly and also I love that sort of modified ouch gari in the end!

[@J3LYA]

Thank you! I was nervous to do turn throws since BJJ guys are so good at taking the back so I stuck to ashi waza

[@untilvalhalla7854]

Not so sure I agree. The throw was effective, but take a look at what your opponents’ legs looked like. Foot flat on the floor and essentially stuck as you tripped them. No real sweep forward of their leg. A slight change in angle and you injure your opponent’s knee. Just an observation. The idea that I might injure someone always scared me.

[@ivanivan5511]

@@untilvalhalla7854 Actually! I unfortunately broke someone's knee in a tournament cuz pulling a kosoto gake annd also...they broke mine in the dojo while training (randori), same move.

[@AkhilSharmaTech]

Completely by the book, got knee on belly, then a solid mount. Good work

[@J3LYA]

Thank you!

[@spartanares4345]

Classic Ippons boi!

[@herculesmwp7983]

Nice throws 👏

[@J3LYA]

Thank you! All glory to my dojo lol

[@snap-off5383]

Those judo throws were "with authority!"

[@J3LYA]

I appreciate that!

[@jasonrose6288]

Good job.

[@J3LYA]

Thanks!

[@jasonrose6288]

@@J3LYA Cheers. I'm a judo BB and BJJ brown belt. Judo is my first love and it's awesome seeing it being used so well in a jiu jitsu tournament.

[@J3LYA]

I appreciate that! I gotta improve my ground skills though, it was rough once I was in the guard

[@VHT_70]

Just keep grinding that newaza bro and you'll dominate!

[@J3LYA]

Thank you! Definitely a weak point of mine but I’ll keep at it

[@Wagyu_Jubei]

Great ashi waza

[@J3LYA]

Thank you! I think it’s my favorite class of throws

[@ktkt1825]

The Judo opponent is forcing the Osoto-- over-extending his leg before matching the attack at the shoulder level with kuzushi. It's also likely he will hurt someone's knee badly with that high attack point on the opponents leg (at or above the knee). A correct Osoto attacks low, closer to the ankle--- more effective and safer--------

[@user-wo3id8wn5i]

Agreed. The angle poses a danger to uke's knee, I really hope he improves on this technique

[@ktkt1825]

@@user-wo3id8wn5i Yes, before someone gets hurt. (Self-defense excluded)

[@J3LYA]

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[@user-cy9eq8xh7x]

that was so nice

[@J3LYA]

The stand up went well, now I just need to get better on the ground

[@eugeneamponsah8780]

Nice! We gotta roll one of these days

[@J3LYA]

For sure!

[@perfectsplit5515]

A judo green belt or blue belt will have a huge edge in the BJJ white belt division. He could work the system by throwing, standing up and separating, and then repeating the process over and over again to rack up points.

[@J3LYA]

Yeah I thought about it but i decided it would defeat the purpose of me competing. I only practice judo, I’m going to these tournaments to see how I would do in a BJJ ruleset, fighting guys at their own game. Also, the ref will penalize you for being passive, which would include standing up every ground engagement. Anyone going to a BJJ white belt division with the sole purpose of winning is missing the point lol

[@ludwigwinter6795]

It might work against white belts, but BJJ players can frustrate judokas quite easily by simply pulling guard. I know a very good judoka who started to compete in BJJ and he rarely scores takedowns in tournaments, because as soon as his opponents realize that they are outclassed on the feet they immediately revert to butt scooting and playing bottom game. The top player has to engage or will get penalized for stalling. And even getting up and away from a competent BJJ player after a takedown is a lot easier said than done.

[@J3LYA]

Yes exactly ludwig. I had a match where, after my first throw, the guy just kept pulling guard (understandably so, lol)

[@Circumnavigate]

What belt are you in Judo? Great vid

[@J3LYA]

Thank you! I’m sankyu (first of three brown belt ranks)

[@wrlk636]

People giving you crap are just coping brudda. Nice moves.

[@J3LYA]

Thank you 🫡

[@israelcanada8969]

Pretty impressive, what belt are you in Judo? I love you video oss

[@J3LYA]

Thank you! I am the first rank of brown belt (sankyu)

[@PvP_Buddy]

​@@J3LYAI've been training for 1 year I only got the yellow belt

[@J3LYA]

I wouldn’t worry about it, belts don’t mean too much really since every dojo has different standards.

[@PvP_Buddy]

@@J3LYA yeah you're right in my dojo we train a lot like we need to earn the belt is what the trainer says so I understand what you're saying

[@J3LYA]

I’d recommend competing as often as you can. It’s the only real way to test yourself. At the very least, visit other dojos and randori

[@TheAlphaGuidance]

Very Simple , 2 years of Judo will get you 2-2 in a BJJ tourny, 2 Years of BJJ will Get you similar results in a BJJ tourny given you are an average person BUT 2 years of BJJ will get you 0-4 in a Judo Tourny. You decide.

[@J3LYA]

That’s very accurate. Judo definitely helps with BJJ more than the reverse. Especially since newaza ends if the opponent can stand up or lift you. Assuming you’re decently strong, you can pretty much end newaza whenever unless your opponent is exceptional on the ground or catches you with something slick

[@interestedparty7523]

So true. I’d rather go 2-2 instead of 0-4.

[@bolieve603]

Right, that's the difference between a closed ruleset and an open one. Judo's is designed to exclude other martial arts from being successful.

[@J3LYA]

That’s a good point. I love judo but it’s definitely not an easy martial art to transition to. I’m hoping the leg grabs coming back make things a little more open

[@axel8406]

2 years of BJJ will get you a blue belt and have you compete at that level. Either way, 2 years of both will make grappling against guys who don't train fell like grappling against babies

[@cbeaudry4646]

What's funny is when a wrestler or judoka post 1 of these, all the butt hurt bjj guys in the comments are like "ya they look like white belts." Ya, that is the entertainment i want to see on KZbin!

[@J3LYA]

lol true, imagine being shook that the guy who doesn’t do BJJ doesn’t look like he does BJJ

[@SuperTukke]

@@J3LYA Well the same could be said about the video itself? A shocker that with 2 years of Judo you can throw BJJ white belts around? Dunno why EVERYONE always has to so confrontational, cant we all just enjoy martial arts and the different aspects of it?

[@J3LYA]

There is no flex here, I’m not saying “watch me destroy these white belts”. In fact, I went 2-2 this tournament. I more see this as an interesting case study of a relative beginner in judo vs relative beginners in BJJ

[@friedrichmyers]

You could've done soo much better if you had practiced BJJ for like 3 months. It wouldn't make you an expert but cetainly you would know basics of what to do in common situations. It would really give you an edge since the takedowns are pretty good. Because you would get bonus points whenever the enemy stands.

[@J3LYA]

I think that’s definitely true. I did well at getting in advantageous positions but then I lost them pretty easily. I may do some match analysis soon, maybe this weekend

[@Renku07]

Judo has all the weapons of Brazilian Judo plus more, way more.

[@J3LYA]

I agree however I feel competitive judo is more restrictive than competitive BJJ. What do you think?

[@Renku07]

@@J3LYA Actual judo competition is lacking a lot of techniques due to safety. So, judo has been soften a lot.

[@J3LYA]

I agree. I think kodokan judo is a complete grappling system for sure. I’m hoping bringing some leg grabs back and allowing some more newaza in competition will strengthen sport judo

[@Renku07]

@ absolutely, that need to happen. I don’t watch judo anymore at the Olympics or World Championships bc it’s way boring.to watch. Basically, big and Javier dudes have the advantage. But Judo is a great system for life self defense

[@halilturker7391]

Osotogari lesson :))

[@J3LYA]

Yup! I wanted to avoid turn throws/forward throws since a lot of these guys are great at taking the back.

[@panda59043]

from the standing position, Judo is king.

[@J3LYA]

Truth!

[@horiturk333]

From the ground it is too, every single move you're doing in BJJ comes from Judo newaza, shimewaza etc

[@uncommonsense4753]

Wrestling destroys Judo. I'm a 4th degree Japanese jujitsu black belt.

[@J3LYA]

😭😂

[@Mdi456]

Fair..

[@J3LYA]

If guys are in the white belt division with 12 years of wrestling, it’s only fair I bring a bit of judo into the mix lol

[@horiturk333]

LOL BJJ is already Judo without the standup waza, how do people not realize this?

[@J3LYA]

True, although us judoka don’t practice on the ground nearly as much

[@horiturk333]

@@J3LYA many do, check out Kosen Judo

[@JoeBlogs-t3r]

BJJ is a croc

[@J3LYA]

Crikey!

[@TheVeganarchism]

What does the green and yellow belt mean?

[@J3LYA]

It’s so the ref can tell the two fighters apart

[@richardleston5237]

Cap. This is not a BJJ tournament, the opponent started on his feet

[@J3LYA]

😭😂

[@samuraiBS66]

I don’t do ground games. Does bjj have no kind of defence/ knowledge about throws?

[@neonbelly9491]

??? have you ever rolled with a bjj guy? they will have you second guessing your first sentence

[@J3LYA]

I would say the defense against throws is pretty lacking but this was also the white belt division. With that said, I’ve gone with black belts and, excluding those with wrestling or judo backgrounds, their standup game is pretty weak. That’s coming from someone who has done judo for not even two years, so you can imagine what an experienced judoka can do to most BJJ guys standing up lol

[@gideon6838]

In my judo class, I threw a black belt in bjj (10 years experience) then he did unimaginable things to me. Think he put me in an armbar and some type of leg lock at the same time...😅

[@lukazagi9183]

the guys with a gi usualy suck at takedowns.. if you watch no gi bjj its a whole different story

[@J3LYA]

Going with a BJJ black belt is sort of like dog attack defense. Don't fall down and protect your neck LOL

[@Kbax3614]

That’s about it. I have grappled with black belts. They would do the throw and give me their back. Judo lacks hard in ground game cause nobody teaches newaza and bjj guys always try to pull guard that’s why their wrestling sucks. The best base is wrestling hence.

[@J3LYA]

I agree, the average judoka has pretty bad ground game. I think a big part of that is competition judo. We’re sort of taught to just go to turtle/belly down and wait to get stood back up. If you can defend for 5-10 seconds, you’re probably safe. We’re not use to a guy trying to crack our defense for 30 seconds or minutes at a time

[@yakovdavidovich7943]

@00:31 be careful, dude, you're going to break somebody's knee some day. That guy almost hyper-extended his. You can throw it in a way that is safer for Uke and still effective.

[@J3LYA]

I know what you mean, the angle does look dangerous, but if you look at uke’s bodyweight at the time my leg connects, he is far from over that leg i.e. there’s not much weight on it. To your point, I wouldn’t throw it like that if going light with my teammates but in competition I’m going for what works (within reason, I’m not trying to hurt anybody of course)

[@JohnSmith-rr3jt]

It is genuinely hilarious how bad BJJ takedowns are. Like, your entire fighting style relies on getting the person to the ground, but you are completely incapable of doing so...

[@J3LYA]

It is really strange how little BJJ guys work on takedowns but a lot of them have strong wrestling or judo backgrounds that complement BJJ nicely.

[@horiturk333]

For some reason they kept the Judo newaza and left out the tachi waza....boggles the mind. The Gracies were so focused on calling it JiuJitsu to fool the public they didn't think it might hurt them.

[@BigBoss877]

IPPON

[@J3LYA]

🙋🏻‍♂️

[@luciocrasso]

Judo 👍🏿👍🏿💯🙏🏿♾️

[@J3LYA]

🥋

[@berzerkfury1459]

That looks like more than 2 years

[@J3LYA]

Why thank you 😎 (it was 23 months)

[@humanresources2138]

This is why no gi is better. Nothing to grab onto, there for it's just wrestling.

[@J3LYA]

Depends on your definition of better, but a judoka like myself will definitely struggle more in no gi

[@humanresources2138]

@@J3LYA Exactly my point. I like BJJ matches where there's only BJJ.

[@J3LYA]

Huh that’s an interesting take. I think most people would consider gi BJJ and judo to be closer to true BJJ. As you said, no gi is a whole lot of wrestling, which is fine but definitely different from fundamental BJJ

[@seanyd5698]

Same sport diferent rule set x

[@jdfenix7]

Are they trying to fight or make out??

[@J3LYA]

The insecurity is deafening

[@mako9324]

That disrespects the bjj white belts to be honest. They’re fresh with no experience and you’re taking advantage of that

[@danle3181]

Blah blah blah. Bjj'ers do exactly the same...

[@J3LYA]

Brother if you think I have more grappling experience than most of these guys, you are sorely mistaken. You can go onto smoothcomp and see that these “white belts” have been competing for years.

[@tenpennygrim5884]

​@@danle3181 Sandbagging is out of control these days. When I competed in a mixed striking / grappling tournament in '97 I fought in the advanced division because being a black belt striker and a blue belt in BJJ seemed like cheating to enter the beginner brackets. Using the "everybody sandbags" rationale to sandbag just makes the problem worse. You can use the same reasoning for steroids, software piracy, theft, cheating on your spouse, etc. You can make the world a bit more like heaven or a bit more like hell. Seems like you're choosing the latter.

[@J3LYA]

I really don’t consider what I did sandbagging. I’m not kidding when I say the white belts I fought had over two years of BJJ experience. I had under two years of judo experience and fought them in their ruleset… Go ahead and give me a 10 year BJJ veteran in a judo tournament and I will ippon him in 30 seconds, not call him a sandbagger

[@dznArro]

You should have been with blue belts. ngl for sandbagging and going 2-2 is kind of tuff lol

[@J3LYA]

How could it possibly be sandbagging if I didn’t win the division ??? I’m starting to think people don’t know what that word means. Imagine if, instead of belts in martial arts, we were competing in a race. I’m asked to estimate which group I should be in based on how fast I think I am. If I finish in the middle of the group I picked, I did a good job estimating my performance. Now imagine someone says, even though I was in the middle of the pack for the slower group, I actually should’ve competed in the faster group since I’ve done other sports before. Doesn’t make much sense, does it?

[@dznArro]

@@J3LYA You're doing so much coping it's sad lmao. You should have been in the blue belt division regardless! You took two wins from white belts that you have more experience than nitwit.

[@J3LYA]

They had more BJJ experience than I had judo experience except for one guy out of the twelve in the division. You don’t know what you’re talking about. If you want to go look at the smoothcomp you can. The guy who won the division had BJJ competitions from four years ago. You clearly don’t compete.

[@dznArro]

@@J3LYA keep deleting comments cupcake.

[@J3LYA]

What did I delete?

[@aleksandertokarzewski7978]

tWO YEAR JUDOKA SHOUDNT COMPET IN WHITE BELT DIVISION.

[@J3LYA]

Something tells me you’ve never competed in BJJ, am I right?

[@paintb0x]

Pretty lame yeah

[@aleksandertokarzewski7978]

@@J3LYA I didint compet in tournament. But it doesnt change enything.

[@J3LYA]

If you did compete, you’d know that most people competing in the BJJ white belt division have about two years of BJJ experience…

[@PathtoMidnight]

@@J3LYAmost guys competing at white belt have maybe 6 months on the low end and under a year on the high end. The only reason anyone with 2 years would be competing at beginner would be their coach getting them to sandbag for more gym medals

[@martinwettig3724]

2 years of judo means, you're basically a blue belt and shouldn't compete with white belts.

[@J3LYA]

The guy who won my white belt division has been competing in BJJ for 4 years. Go complain about him lmao

[@scottsullivanmma]

Looks like sandbagging

[@J3LYA]

Idk why it’s fine for a guy with 10 years of wrestling and 2 years of BJJ with a white belt to enter the white belt division but a judoka with just under two years of judo is “sandbagging” in a BJJ tournament if he enters the white belt division

[@IgorBarbosa-h5i]

@@J3LYA ​ Unless he is admitting that Judo is overpowered and BJJ is defenseless against it. In that case, all Judo yellow belts and above should compete against BJJ black belts to prevent "sandbagging".

[@marcelotoledomayer]

2y Judo against white belts in BJJ ….. he should take a blue belt

[@J3LYA]

Many of my opponents had 2+ years of BJJ experience. Still think I belong in the blue belt?

[@firstname4337]

sandbagging

[@J3LYA]

Thanks for letting us know you’ve never competed before

[@ricozam7733]

with 2 years of judo and 2 of BJJ you should be competing at blue belt, not white belt

[@J3LYA]

Only two years of judo

[@user-xe1ol7xh4i]

I’m 2 years into bjj and I’d absolutely sleep this guy in under a minute 😂 this guy think because he won a couple fights against some white belts he’s got something above them 😂 come to Brazil you will be finished by our juniors with a stance like that 😂

[@J3LYA]

This is like a kickboxer bragging he would beat a boxer in a kickboxing competition 😂

[@Sam-rb1id]

didnt see any BJJ guys winning at Judo in the olympics so BJJ must be no good!